Aldnoah.Zero 2nd Season Episode 5 Discussion

CookingPriest said:


except that he can't ?

Anime failed to showcase that but Kirito trained his ass to be the way he is, to the point that he can barely function in real world society still having nightmares from all the shit he has to do or survive. .And half the time he is cheating or exploiting weaknesses instead of winning by pure strength, not to mention that most of frontlines can match him.

Let's not defend a character and then turn around and show the same treatment you are defending a character from to another character.

xxdeathx said:
I saw the duel challenge coming as soon as that guy started talking about filthy Terrans not being worthy of protecting Hime-sama. Seems a little unoriginal because this is a similar situation (main character ends up in charge, someone doesn't like them and challenges them to a duel) that has arisen in a lot of stories, and the main character always ends up winning.

leelee619 said:


What is an in state induced coma

xxdeathx said:
I saw the duel challenge coming as soon as that guy started talking about filthy Terrans not being worthy of protecting Hime-sama. Seems a little unoriginal because this is a similar situation (main character ends up in charge, someone doesn't like them and challenges them to a duel) that has arisen in a lot of stories, and the main character always ends up winning.

seujair31 said:


in short, is when you force someone to enter the coma, ie he keeps this state so she would not wake up.

It seems not only Inaho who understands the dreams of Asseylum, some counts, understand the dreams of the princess, the one who seems intender is Slaine.
Inaho won an earl, through conversation, and seek common ground.
While Slaine uses the power of your mecha to try to win others to force, or killing others.

Induced coma
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

A barbiturate-induced coma, or barb coma, is a temporary coma (a deep state of unconsciousness) brought on by a controlled dose of a barbiturate drug, usually pentobarbital or thiopental. Barbiturate comas are used to protect the brain during major neurosurgery, and as a last line of treatment in certain cases of status epilepticus that have not responded to other treatments.

Barbiturates reduce the metabolic rate of brain tissue, as well as the cerebral blood flow. With these reductions, the blood vessels in the brain narrow, decreasing the amount of space occupied by the brain, and hence the intracranial pressure. The hope is that, with the swelling relieved, the pressure decreases and some or all brain damage may be averted. Several studies have supported this theory by showing reduced mortality when treating refractory intracranial hypertension with a barbiturate coma.[1][2][3]

Controversy exists, however, over the benefits of using barbiturates to control intracranial hypertension. Some studies have shown that barbiturate-induced coma can reduce intracranial hypertension but does not necessarily prevent brain damage. Furthermore, the reduction in intracranial hypertension may not be sustained. Some randomized trials have failed to demonstrate any survival or morbidity benefit of induced coma in diverse conditions such as neurosurgical operations, head trauma,[4] intracranial aneurysm rupture, intracranial hemorrhage, ischemic stroke, and status epilepticus. If the patient survives, cognitive impairment may also follow recovery from the coma.[5]

About 55% of the glucose and oxygen utilisation by the brain is meant for its electrical activity and the rest for all other activities such as metabolism.[citation needed] This is recognized by a device such as an electroencephalogram (EEG), which measures electrical activity in the brain. When barbiturates are given to brain injured patients for induced coma, they act by reducing the electrical activity of the brain, which in theory reduces the metabolic and oxygen demand.[citation needed] Once there is improvement in the patient's general condition, the barbiturates are withdrawn gradually and the patient regains consciousness.

Induced coma is used in the treatment of symptomatic rabies through the Milwaukee protocol, first attempted in 2004.[6]

PancakesAndStuff said:


So we live in a world where exposition and character development automatically means something is good? No. That's Bull-Fucking-Shit. People will like character development and exposition when character development and exposition is done well. Like, say, in Episode 2 of Zankyou no Terror, which as a whole, I wouldn't praise, but the exposition is still done well. Or character development in Hunter x Hunter, where the motives of its characters are mostly believable, and their actions change logically when it needs to.

Your argument is simpleminded, by assuming that what you have said is a valid rebuttal, when A/Z is indeed boring to others. Having character development and exposition does not mean something is good or enjoyable. If I would have judged Pupa based on if it had character development and exposition, than it would have a higher score. But no, I did not. I judged it, taking into account how well, or in this case shitty, the exposition and character development is done.

It is not just the fanboys and haters, but the weak arguments against haters or criticism, the weak motives by haters, and the weak arguments by the critics, that makes MyAnimeList such a big joke to many.

katsu044 said:
oddly enough thought this episode was pretty good..set up wise,was hoping Mazuurek would turn up being somewhat of a decent guy

geralt said:
Inaho wondering what Slaine's objective is made me think about it as well, but to no avail. Because so far, his actions have made no sense to be honest. He knows how important Earth is to the princess, as shown by the scene with the birds in this episode, but doesn't seem to care in the least to protect it. So a possible conclusion would be that he may not be doing all this for the princess, but that is unlikely because he's been shown to be obsessed with her.

Basically, I can only see two options. Slaine's either a retard who makes random choices or he has some sort of genius plan. I believe it's the former...

deadoptimist said:
I think they write the script in the lunchbreaks, and this one was especially busy, so they didn't put enough effort in making it look as a result of actual thought process. The animaton was shaky as well.

It seems that all charcter development is superficial. Slaine can't get over the birds, though the fact that he understands that he is posessive is interesting. But that's as far as interesting goes in this episode.

Lemrina starts to act on her own - no wonder, since they are stupid enough to not appease her and leave her to her own devices. Even Harklight doesn't have enough brains to play nice with her.

The two gay knights are very gay. Couldn't the blonde one think of something better than a duel, considering that Slaine is now a good pilot and his Tharsis used to belong to Cruhteo, the second in command? And it had not been taken down, even when he fell. And Slaine could've easily modify it the way Saazbaum did with others' technologies. Can't thay stop making every martian knight idiotic?
The way the second one was surprised is funny too - everyone could understand that the blonde wanted duel from the moment he started blabbing. Like, nobody had done it before among the knights, sure.

The martian knights are too stupid for their age and position, and it makes the danger they are supposed to posess unrealistic, which breaks the narrative. The fact that they needed a "good" knight to deal with for terrans is bad writing too. Even poor spynovels uusually do better by including dangerous bargains. And the fact that they can't create shades of grey and focus on making terrans purely good and martians purely bad is lame and against the initial idea behind the setting.
And the logic that he is good if he knows about terran culture is... I dunno, fascists read Russian literature too before invading, didn't help much.

Darzana is annoying. Rayet as well - I don't care enough for her. Inko, Darzana's aid - all of them waste the screentime.

It's funny that they don't even have interrogators besides Inaho. And don't have normal security.
And now he programmed his cybereye himself. I dunno, if the writers are aware that talent for mathematics and erudition don't equal knowledge in low-level coding on new cybertech and human brain.

If you want t ask why I watch it then - I do so out of habit and because of the time already invested.

KamiAlice said:
For someone who typed up such a lenghty rant of the show, it's sad that you said almost nothing at all. From your post i've failed to see how the show fails at all. 95% of your criticism has no substance other than "I don't like it therefore it's bad". Which is HORRIBLE criticism by anyone's standards.
I mean the show clearly said many people interrogated the martian and he was being silent, but you say "it's funny how only Inaho interrogates him".

That's not bad writing, it's you being bad at paying attention.

Oh and seriously "the two gay knights are very gay." Congrats, you win criticism of the century with that one.

I want a definition out of you about what "good writing" really is, because from the looks of it, besides a superficial level of understanding; you don't really have one.

deadoptimist said:


Oh, please, I am way beyond caring about the excuses of A.Z apologists. Characters progression, motivations, dialogues, screentime distribution - all of this is very bad in A.Z at this point.

The fact that a whole terran army couldn't break one knight until Inaho came and that no capable intelligence officers were shown even as background characters, despite the fact that anyone would expect them to be swarming around the count, is telling. Basically all of the terran army is reduced to one school kid.
Good writing wouldn't need you inventing excuses, it's as simple as that.

The two kinghts behave as a pair of middle school girls with the hair twirling and going everywhere together. The dark haired one doesn't even do anything besides looking astonished all the time. It's funny how they don't develop at all.

This show half doesn make sense, half goes the most boring way, utterly destroying any potential it had at the beginning.

It's funny that they don't even have interrogators besides Inaho. And don't have normal security.
And now he programmed his cybereye himself. I dunno, if the writers are aware that talent for mathematics and erudition don't equal knowledge in low-level coding on new cybertech and human brain.

deadoptimist said:


Oh, please, I am way beyond caring about the excuses of A.Z apologists. Characters progression, motivations, dialogues, screentime distribution - all of this is very bad in A.Z at this point.

The fact that a whole terran army couldn't break one knight until Inaho came and that no capable intelligence officers were shown even as background characters, despite the fact that anyone would expect them to be swarming around the count, is telling. Basically all of the terran army is reduced to one school kid.
Good writing wouldn't need you inventing excuses, it's as simple as that.

The two kinghts behave as a pair of middle school girls with the hair twirling and going everywhere together. The dark haired one doesn't even do anything besides looking astonished all the time. It's funny how they don't develop at all.

This show half doesn make sense, half goes the most boring way, utterly destroying any potential it had at the beginning.

Epicentro said:
Dude or dudet, couldn't you find a less massive pic to use instead of stretching the thread?

Epicenter said:
Though I liked this episode for once and disagree with a lot of that huge comment, I can sort of agree with a few things like programming. I get Inaho is a genius, especially a genius at tactics and was trained to be a soldier, so the stuff people complain about when Inaho owns people doesn't bother me, but now he can master just about any field of study without buildup like programming, and not just any programming, but cybernetic. What's next? Is he going to out do the psychologist and cure that other dude's ptsd? Is he about to make mechas himself capable of out doing the martian mechas?

This is opinion but, I also very much dislike Darzana, she's always harassing her subordinate about not having a date-despite never seeming to have a date herself either so who is she to talk trash- and it's obviously psychological effecting her to the point now she's out thinking she needs to lose weight and all that despite the fact she looks as in shape as the rest of the girls.

Also though not stated, I find it kind of dubious that Inaho's love interest in the one who catches him in the act out of everyone, she's never been shown to be more capable than the average Joe unless I missed something so why is she the one able to find and tail them when normally I can almost guarantee no one would have had the skill to track down Inaho? Hell it makes Inaho look incompetent since anyone thus could of caught him if it wasn't magically his fringe girlfriend, but I doubt Inaho being careless was the intent, it was just some cheap way to have her struggle with her emotions, have conflict with Inaho and then prove why she's his perfect girl by being loyal to him by not destroying him by being a snitch.

seujair31 said:


the most amazing is that Slaine, who says the most loyal servant, and greatly to defend Asseylum, is the one who least understand Asseylum.
that irony

katsu044 said:
i find that pretty funny too, where was Mazuurek hiding all last season?!

Darklight0303 said:
Probably one of the counts who stayed in orbit in season 1

deadoptimist said:


His castle is on the surface. He was most likely doing nothing sitting in the desert.

Though killing two established knights and introducing a bunch of new ones doesn't do this show any good.

Darklight0303 said:


Actually pretty sure Mazurek went down to Earth ins THIS season.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


Pretty sure, it was never specified.

Darklight0303 said:
Actually pretty sure Mazurek went down to Earth ins THIS season.

deadoptimist said:


It's not that you address any points. This show has a whole cast of unnecessary characters like the blonde Inko'f friend, of one-trick characters like Rayet and the majority of martian knights, even ones that play vital role in the plot (like that pair). The writers don't know what to do with Darzana and Marito despite it being the 17th episode already. Orlaine's and dr. Troyard's subplots are buried somewhere. Slaine has been in evry hole possible without any concern for motivations and integrity. It's so bad, that only stubborness can make someone argue that the characters sytem of A.Z is good. That's for starters.

At the moment I am going through this thread and the first pages are all about what is wrong with the writing in this show. I would offer your to debunk all those issues, if it was even remotely possible, but it is not.
Now I'll excuse myself from this pointless conversation.

Epicenter said:
I'm pretty sure the incompetence of the Counts and their attitudes are just there to showcase what their society has done to their top brass, their superior mechas due to Adlnoah have made them egotistical and reliant on those instead of brains and logic. Also them having a monarchy government and class being dropped down through generations mean people get ahead due to their blood rather than anything, also the knights hatred for humans and earth can be compared to what happens when one race considers themselves elite and looks down on others, something I don't think I really need to good into due to history and common knowledge.

Actually the knights being bigoted, incompetent and such with only a few rare cases in between compared to the earthlings might be a sign of good writing rather than bad since it shows how their different societies breed people, it's just personally annoying to you, and to others, hell it even annoys me how their so douche like.

KamiAlice said:


Exactly, I mean look through history, how many great generals fell due to their own arrogance and bigotry? It's not it's rare whatsoever. How many wars do we have due to a certain race feeling superior to another.

When it comes to whether something is good writing or not, whether they annoy you or don't is irrelevant. Which you completely understand.

Epicenter said:
Actually the knights being bigoted, incompetent and such with only a few rare cases in between compared to the earthlings might be a sign of good writing rather than bad since it shows how their different societies breed people, it's just personally annoying to you, and to others, hell it even annoys me how their so douche like.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


The whole bigotry, and arrogance, was already kind of obvious, and then made more so after Saazbaum explaining the indoctrination. Are people still complaining about this?

Still tho, there's arrogance, and then there's stupidity. Why would Curly Knight think he can defeat Slaine, after what they all witnessed him do last time he left for a stroll? He must be suicidal.

deadoptimist said:


But all of them? And technically their empire is very young, not older than two generations, it's too early for the nobility to be bred down. Not to mention that the counts are competitive and many of them survived through Heaven's fall.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


This is also true, but, as this ep showed, not all a bigoted; we've just yet to see more.

It's likely just lazy/convenient writing.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:
This is also true, but, as this ep showed, not all a bigoted; we've just yet to see more.
It's likely just lazy/convenient writing.

Darklight0303 said:
Not really because only those gung ho about the invasion of Earth actually descended and started making a mess of things.

Makaze_no_Moujuu said:


This is also true, but, as this ep showed, not all a bigoted; we've just yet to see more.

It's likely just lazy/convenient writing.

deadoptimist said:


But all of them? And technically their empire is very young, not older than two generations, it's too early for the nobility to be bred down. Not to mention that the counts are competitive and many of them survived through Heaven's fall.

Epicenter said:


Eh Saazbum and Crutheo too me were no fools, neither is this blond kid who likes earth. Also are we sure all these counts were in Heaven's fall? To my memory only Saazbum was confirmed to be of such, and he seems a lot older than these brats who are usually counts, outside of Crutheo.

KamiAlice said:

Heavens fall happened because all the Counts decided to try to jump to earth, overloading the hyper drive on the moon and causing it to explode. We have no clue how many actually made it through, or how many decided to partake in the battle.
The only ones we know even came to earth were Saazbum and his wife.

Epicenter said:


Yeah thought it was something like that.

Epicenter said:
Eh Saazbum and Crutheo too me were no fools, neither is this blond kid who likes earth. Also are we sure all these counts were in Heaven's fall? To my memory only Saazbum was confirmed to be of such, and he seems a lot older than these brats who are usually counts, outside of Crutheo.

Sareneia said:
I'm pretty sure the bird in the cage metaphor is referring to the power of Aldnoah. He says birds are kept in cages because they're beautiful, which mirrors Hime and Lemrina living restricted lives because they're valued for their Aldnoah power. The camera shifts focus to Lemrina while he's saying this, so the metaphor has to be referring to her too. He also says he pities them, so I think his end goal is somehow destroying Aldnoah so both of the princesses can live normal lives.