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Feb 9, 2015 2:47 PM
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Ckan said:
How should one get into Kafka?
I think Zerg said something before about reading his letters to his father first to contextualize his other works.
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Ah, that's pretty helpful. I'll see if I can try to remember that for five years on from now
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I started with Metamorphosis as well and the other short stories that were in the same compilation. I have yet to read any of his novels though. I'm very interested in the Trial but I also heard a rather extensive presentation about it which really stuck to my mind so I'm still hoping for that to fade from my memory before I get to it.

On another note I bought brothers karamazov on a whim today. I recently finished the gambler (or however the english name is) and felt like reading another Dostoyevsky. And everyone has been praising brothers karamazov so much (inlcuding you Zerg IIRC) so I'm additionally curious about it.
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It's the best novel in the Western canon. :P


That's what everyone says ^^.
Well, since most of my favorites aren't in the western canon I'm expecting it to be great, but not to beat my personal favorites :P.
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Feb 10, 2015 11:11 AM

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I'm looking for anime with great mecha fighting scenes and good choreography. any recs? other then Gundam though, since i'll start that after i finish LoGH.
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Okashi_sama said:
I'm looking for anime with great mecha fighting scenes and good choreography. any recs? other then Gundam though, since i'll start that after i finish LoGH.


I think you would like Macross Frontier. It has great animation and nice fighting scenes, and the idol part of it is glorious.
Feb 10, 2015 11:15 AM

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Can i start with Macross Frontier without watching the prequel Macross?
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Real Robot or Super Robot?
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Okashi_sama said:
Can i start with Macross Frontier without watching the prequel Macross?


Sure. Besides some small references here and there, it is its own show. I remember that at least Ckan watched Frontier before SDF, and said it worked just fine.
Feb 10, 2015 11:18 AM

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QuattroVaginas said:
Real Robot or Super Robot?

Doesn't matter, as long as it has the mecha aspect in fights.

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Okashi_sama said:
Can i start with Macross Frontier without watching the prequel Macross?


Sure. Besides some small references here and there, it is its own show. I remember that at least Ckan watched Frontier before SDF, and said it worked just fine.

Alright then, thanks.
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Macross Plus has arguably better choreography than Frontier. It's a better show, too.

Other than that, Layzner, King Gainer, and the more recent GaoGaiGar has pretty awesome fights. Also, for less flash, VOTOMS is great.
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Yeah I've been meaning to watch Macross Plus, just haven't gotten around it it yet. But you're talking as if Frontier had bad choreography, which is not exactly true in my opinion.

By the way, should I go for the movie or the OVA of Plus?
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QuattroVaginas said:
Macross Plus has arguably better choreography than Frontier. It's a better show, too.

Other than that, Layzner, King Gainer, and the more recent GaoGaiGar has pretty awesome fights. Also, for less flash, VOTOMS is great.

PTW'd

Thanks mate.
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cupc said:
Yeah I've been meaning to watch Macross Plus, just haven't gotten around it it yet. But you're talking as if Frontier had bad choreography, which is not exactly true in my opinion.

By the way, should I go for the movie or the OVA of Plus?

Nah. I just said Plus was better, not that Frontier was bad.

And I haven't seen the movie, but it's supposed to just be a compilation of the OVA plus extra scenes, so I suppose you can't go wrong with either.
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QuattroVaginas said:
And I haven't seen the movie, but it's supposed to just be a compilation of the OVA plus extra scenes, so I suppose you can't go wrong with either.


Yeah I kinda figured that, thanks. I think I watch the OVA for the openings and endings. ^^
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...Which of the following should I do?

-finish Gundam Wing (at ep. 22)
-finish Macross Frontier (at ep... 10-ish? it's on my list)
-start FLCL
-start Uchoten Kazoku
-start Death Parade
-start Pale Coccoon
-catch up on Japan Animator Expo (restarting from 8)
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Definitely watch FLCL, its only 6 episodes, you can bang that out easily. That being said you might not like it so its whatever I guess.
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what even is FLCL


http://myanimelist.net/anime/227/FLCL
Do you play Azure Lane?
Then please join my fanclub
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If I wanted to know what was on that page I would have just gone there instead of asking.
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fst said:
If I wanted to know what was on that page I would have just gone there instead of asking.
Its a coming of age story wrapped up in crazy visuals and indie rock. Its also apparently a sort of retrospective on the history of Gainax with each episode representing a specific stage of the company. Most of all its incredibly stupid because Tsurumaki wanted to blow off steam after Eva which he felt like was a show that you had to be smart to even work on.
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Anyone with a rec for an old gem? A great score would be a huge bonus too but not vital.
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Gymkata said:
Anyone with a rec for an old gem? A great score would be a huge bonus too but not vital.
Maybe Ashita no Joe? I think it was recently subbed in its entirety and I know it has a pretty loyal following, I haven't seen it so I can't say for sure.
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Gymkata said:
Anyone with a rec for an old gem? A great score would be a huge bonus too but not vital.
If you haven't seen them, Patlabor, Giant Robo, and Nadesico come to mind, though they're not that old.
Not as good, but Hades Project Zeorymer was a pretty entertaining and short watch.
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Gymkata said:
Anyone with a rec for an old gem? A great score would be a huge bonus too but not vital.

Aside from what the others mentioned I also recommend Space Cobra.
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Feb 12, 2015 9:14 AM

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Solaris was dope. The remake from 2002 is actually also my personal favorite having seen it twice, so going in to the original hailed as the better adaptation of the original book was certainly interesting.

The atmosphere was just what I expected from Tarkovsky: slow, haunting and depressing.

Big questions were raised, what makes us human among others, and I was terrified, in a good way, by how it concluded in the end. I find it quite amazing how the book was written before men flew to the moon for the first time. Knowing the core plot was a bit shame, I have a feeling I would have enjoyed the 'mystery' even more without knowing what was happening next. Still, thanks to the ingenious direction and writing it had my attention from the beginning to the end.

Not quite Stalker tier, but still one of the best sci-fi films I have seen. Impact could have been greater had I not seen the remake twice already. I recommend for those interested in less 'hollywood' sci-fi.
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Thanks guys, I'll check those out.
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Is Wings of Honneamise any good? I seeing it mentioned occaisonally as being very good, but I almost never see it mentioned. Seems super obscure relative to it's quality.
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fst said:
Is Wings of Honneamise any good? I seeing it mentioned occaisonally as being very good, but I almost never see it mentioned. Seems super obscure relative to it's quality.
I remember the story as being pretty weird, but I probably wasn't quite ready/in the mood to see that sort of film at the time, so I'm not sure what I'd make of it now. I don't remember much of it anymore.
The production quality was pretty great though.

My guess would be that it has some dodgy storytelling, but is a solid film and looks really good.
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Ckan said:
fst said:
Is Wings of Honneamise any good? I seeing it mentioned occaisonally as being very good, but I almost never see it mentioned. Seems super obscure relative to it's quality.
I remember the story as being pretty weird, but I probably wasn't quite ready/in the mood to see that sort of film at the time, so I'm not sure what I'd make of it now. I don't remember much of it anymore.
The production quality was pretty great though.

My guess would be that it has some dodgy storytelling, but is a solid film and looks really good.


This seems to be a thing that you do quite often
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fst said:
Is Wings of Honneamise any good? I seeing it mentioned occaisonally as being very good, but I almost never see it mentioned. Seems super obscure relative to it's quality.


It did have enormous production values and looks fabulous from start to finish, though it was one of the biggest flops in anime movie history because of that. Not sure why though, I personally quite liked the theme of dreaming of space exploration in an unsupportive environment, but I can't remember too many details and tbh my bias for space stuff + the visuals were probably more than enough reason for me to give it the 8/10 it got from me. I can't say anything about the political side of the plot, but I at least don't remember being bored at any part of the movie which is quite a feat considering it's over 2 hours long.
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fst said:
This seems to be a thing that you do quite often
You mean not remembering things well and not having a strong conviction on my original impressions? Yeah.

When I first got into anime I marathoned things pretty quick, and increasingly more sleep deprived as well. There was plenty of stuff that I went into with the wrong mindset, so that definitely put a damper on my enjoyment and open-mindedness towards things.

I'd rather throw in my crappy vague views with copious disclaimers rather than pretend I really know the show/film at this point in time.
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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
fst said:
Is Wings of Honneamise any good? I seeing it mentioned occaisonally as being very good, but I almost never see it mentioned. Seems super obscure relative to it's quality.


It did have enormous production values and looks fabulous from start to finish, though it was one of the biggest flops in anime movie history because of that. Not sure why though, I personally quite liked the theme of dreaming of space exploration in an unsupportive environment, but I can't remember too many details and tbh my bias for space stuff + the visuals were probably more than enough reason for me to give it the 8/10 it got from me. I can't say anything about the political side of the plot, but I at least don't remember being bored at any part of the movie which is quite a feat considering it's over 2 hours long.


When you say "enormous budget", do you mean CCA enormous, Unicorn enormous, Bebop film enourmous, or UBW enormous?
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It did have enormous production values and looks fabulous from start to finish, though it was one of the biggest flops in anime movie history because of that. Not sure why though, I personally quite liked the theme of dreaming of space exploration in an unsupportive environment, but I can't remember too many details and tbh my bias for space stuff + the visuals were probably more than enough reason for me to give it the 8/10 it got from me. I can't say anything about the political side of the plot, but I at least don't remember being bored at any part of the movie which is quite a feat considering it's over 2 hours long.


When you say "enormous budget", do you mean CCA enormous, Unicorn enormous, Bebop film enourmous, or UBW enormous?


wtf is the difference -.-? I'm not making much sense out of these comparisons. except maybe the two movies, but even then I don't know their budget and find it hard to compare action-heavy stuff to Wings of Honneamise.
Just know that it looks awesome and had the highest budget of any anime movie at the time, even more than the early Ghibli movies that came before it. 800 million Yen to be exact (some sources said 8 billion but that would be insane and can't be true since Kaguya-hime had 5 billion and is officially the most expensive anime movie up to date).
It also had a great staff including Hideaki Anno as animation director and lots of Gainax veterans (well, back then they weren't veterans since the studio was just founded during the production of the movie) and a total of 3000 animators/artists. Especially the level of detail in the artwork and backgrounds is extremely impressive and I'd say almost unparallelled in anime up to this day. It also had a pretty great OST. So yeah, take that as you will :>.
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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
fst said:


When you say "enormous budget", do you mean CCA enormous, Unicorn enormous, Bebop film enourmous, or UBW enormous?


wtf is the difference -.-? I'm not making much sense out of these comparisons. except maybe the two movies, but even then I don't know their budget and find it hard to compare action-heavy stuff to Wings of Honneamise.
Just know that it looks awesome and had the highest budget of any anime movie at the time, even more than the early Ghibli movies that came before it. 800 million Yen to be exact (some sources said 8 billion but that would be insane and can't be true since Kaguya-hime had 5 billion and is officially the most expensive anime movie up to date).
It also had a great staff including Hideaki Anno as animation director and lots of Gainax veterans (well, back then they weren't veterans since the studio was just founded during the production of the movie) and a total of 3000 animators/artists. Especially the level of detail in the artwork and backgrounds is extremely impressive and I'd say almost unparallelled in anime up to this day. It also had a pretty great OST. So yeah, take that as you will :>.


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Anyone have recommendations for sub groups for Gundam?
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Feaor said:
Anyone have recommendations for sub groups for Gundam?


dubbed

>:)

Actually, AFAIK only Unicorn has a good dub. I dunno, I just watched them using whatever subs were on the streaming site, Unicorn notwithstanding.
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Next you'll tell me I should watch Stardust Memories or something.
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Feaor said:
Next you'll tell me I should watch Stardust Memories or something.


You should though.
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Somebody (Zerg?) please recommend me an (audio)book that isn't too complex or hard to follow but still good/enjoyable/entertaining/relevant/whatever. I want to have something that I can listen to while I do cardio since I recently started going to the gym, and I want some other options than music.

Thanks!
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I think more people need to see Golden Boy. 6 episode ova that had be laughing all the way through. i feel like it isn't rated as high as it should be just because of its length
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My only real experience with audiobooks is the Harry Potter series when I was growing up, Jim Dale is a really fantastic reader, doing all the different voices for the cast.

Other than that, not quite the same as audiobooks but similar, I can say the BBC radio dramas for both The Lord of the Rings and The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy are great, they're much more like plays than readings though with an actual cast and sound effects and such.
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I remember loving Roald Dahl's recordings when I was a kid. His voice and reading of his own work was really something.
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Ckan said:
I remember loving Roald Dahl's recordings when I was a kid. His voice and reading of his own work was really something.
Oh yea, I've listened to The BFG, James and the Giant Peach, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Fantastic Mr. Fox, and the Witches and they were all great.
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Higashi_no_Kaze said:
Somebody (Zerg?) please recommend me an (audio)book that isn't too complex or hard to follow but still good/enjoyable/entertaining/relevant/whatever. I want to have something that I can listen to while I do cardio since I recently started going to the gym, and I want some other options than music.

Thanks!
Hmmmm....

I have zero experience with audiobooks, so I have no clue how they might affect the reading but as far as like good/enjoyable/entertaining reads, you can try books by Diana Wynn Jones, who is an incredibly underrated author (Howl's Moving Castle is probably what most people in the animu world will know her for).

I guess it might just be good to throw out some simple sci-fi/fantasy related material since those tend to be less dense than literary fiction (and can also be much more exciting). Maybe try some stuff by Ursula LeGuin like Left Hand of Darkness (sci-fi) or maybe Tales of Earthsea (fantasy?). I can't vouch for the latter but the former is a very good book.

Umm........I personally enjoy Italo Calvino, and I think he's an incredible storyteller, so if you can find audiobooks for The Baron in the Trees, Cosmicomics, The Cloven Viscount, The Invisible Knight, all of those are fantastic (and short) reads (or listens).

Hmmm, what else might work.....if you're down for like weird macabre, freaky shit, maybe try audiorecordings of Edgar Allen Poe? Things like The Fall of the House of Usher, The Raven, The Red Masque of Death, are all fantastical and surreal works that might sound really good in an audiobook.

And those are the first things that fly to my head. Let me know if those don't satisfy you. I'll try to think of others. @_@


Thanks for the suggestions!
I underestimated how much of a pain in the ass it is to find audiobooks to download though -.-.

Diana Wynn Jones seems perfect for what I'm looking for, but I could only find an abridged version of Howl on youtube, though I don't know if any other version exists. The voice of the woman who reads it is very nice though. you can listen to a sample here:
http://www.audible.com/pd/Teens/Howls-Moving-Castle-Audiobook/B002V5BB5U?sr=1-1&qid=1336079464&ref_=sr_1_1

I'll think about buying one of her audiobooks, though I'm probably too lazy to rip it from the CD to put it on my Ipod :>.

I found The left hand of darkness on youtube so I could rip it (though it would kinda suck to have it in one file), but the audio quality is kinda weird. It seems interesting though.


I found Invisible Cities by Italo Calvino, also on youtube. Might give that a try though the reading is a bit too fast for me.

Poe seems the most realistic so far since he's well-known, and the stories are short. After a short listen I also like the voice and pacing:
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My only real experience with audiobooks is the Harry Potter series when I was growing up, Jim Dale is a really fantastic reader, doing all the different voices for the cast.

Other than that, not quite the same as audiobooks but similar, I can say the BBC radio dramas for both The Lord of the Rings and The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy are great, they're much more like plays than readings though with an actual cast and sound effects and such.


Thanks as well, I'll keep those in mind (the audio dramas seem interesting) but for now I want to focus on stuff I haven't already read, and Harry Potter, LOTR and Douglas Adams is all stuff I'm very familiar with (read them twice already).
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Ckan said:
I remember loving Roald Dahl's recordings when I was a kid. His voice and reading of his own work was really something.


I found a collection of his audiobooks to download, but it doesn't say if he's the ohne reading them or how complete the books are. Are his stories rather short? Because it seems to be like that in the download I found.


Aside from Poe and Roald Dahl I started downloading part of the 'top 100 sci-fi audiobooks' that I found. Here's the list of the 25 audiobooks included in that file in case anyone can recommend one of them specifically (most importantly they shouldn't be hard to follow, not too complex vocabulary etc..)



e: maybe I'll just laze out and opt for some german audiobooks of Jules Verne. Those are really easy to digest and I've already enjoyed a bunch of his books. In any case thanks for the recs, I'll keep everything in mind!
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I think one problem with audiobooks is that the act of reading is a pretty personal thing, so if you aren't keen on the way someone reads or their voice - it'd be a pretty easy way to 'ruin' a book that you might otherwise like a lot more. On the flip-side, the right reading can make things pretty amazing.

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Ckan said:
I remember loving Roald Dahl's recordings when I was a kid. His voice and reading of his own work was really something.


I found a collection of his audiobooks to download, but it doesn't say if he's the ohne reading them or how complete the books are. Are his stories rather short? Because it seems to be like that in the download I found.
I can't remember reading all of them physically, but they vary in length from quite/very short to a normal length novel or so.

@that list, I think I, Robot would work pretty well as an audiobook.
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I can personally vouch for:

Ender's Game, Dune, Foundation, 1984, Fahrenheit 451, I, Robot, Neuromancer, Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, Ringworld, Hyperion, Brave New World, and Snow Crash for being decent to good books with Ender's Game, Dune, and Hyperion being amazing novels.

However, I would probably not recommend Hyperion or Snow Crash as an audiobook. Hyperion might be okay but it definitely has a much higher level of vocabulary usage then most of the books in the list, as well as just being a much better experience to read. In a similar vein, I think Dune is a massive novel and might be hard to follow in that respect, but it's not that challenging. If we're talking about a complex world I'd argue Hyperion has a much denser story to tell with arguably less time to tell it. I would highly recommend not reading Snow Crash if only because it has incredibly technical language and would definitely be one of the hardest to follow. The rest of the books are probably fair game.

I've read The Time Machine and Slaughterhouse Five and am not a fan of either. However, Slaughterhouse Five is incredibly simplistic in its vocabulary and just because I don't like it doesn't mean that it's not one of the more famous American war satirical novels.


Thanks, that helps a lot. I've actually read a fair share of those books myself already (Forever War, the HG Wells stuff, The Dick stuff, the Asimov stuff, brave new world, 1984 and hitchikers guide).

I'll prioritize Ender's Game, Ringworld, Fahrenheit 451 and Slaughterhouse Five for now, though the first one I'll give a try tomorrow is some Jules verne in german ^^.
I also found Edgar Allan poe in german read by my (so far) favorite german voice (he also does the german voice of edwart norton and has read some of my favorite german books) so that'll also be high on the list.
I'm just not sure my concentration level will be high enough for english while I'm working out, but I will definitely give one of the novels you mentioned a try at one point, but I'll try to get used to the process with some german ones first I think.
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If you haven't read Ender's Game, that'd be my top choice tbh.

Otherwise, I'd pick like Foundation or Fahrenheit 451. And obviously if you haven't read 1984 or Brave New World you should pick out those.

Oh shoot. Don't read Neuromancer either for the same reason as Snow Crash. It deploys a lot of technical language and can be really hard to follow at times because of it.


I have Neuromancer lying around in book form so I'll definitely read and not 'hear' it. And from what I know it does seem quite technical indeed so thanks for clarifying that.

Foundation is probably the level of 'complexity' I'm looking for, I remember all those Asimov books being quite easy to read and also extremely enjoyable. Still haven't finished the whole foundation cycle but I think I've read 8/10 books so far. I kinda want to finish it reading though now that I've gotten so far ^^.
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