The Irregular at Magic High School (light novel)
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Jul 6, 2014 11:01 PM
#151
wrenchbread said: millie10468 said: First of all, I love that gif :) It's perfect. Anyway, since you haven't read the novels, I don't know how far I should go to try and make my point but just in case you don't mind being mildly spoiled, here's a question; Why would Tatsuya's main goal be to change the perception of magicians as more than just weapons if he still accepted the way things are? Answer: He doesn't accept the current system that is based on magicians being rewarded only by virtue of how strong their power is. Building the thermonuclear reactor is just the first step and not the end goal for him. This directly contradicts with what he tells Mibu because while he implies that he doesn't give a shit about the school's shitty standards and the magic system, he's also intending to try and change it to fit his own standards. If there's anything the author's saying with Tatsuya, it's that once you rationally and logically decide the system isn't working, you have every right to try and change it. What political system is that? This can be easily explained. Tatsuya simply has bigger fish to fry. He can't be arsed to deal with smalltime shit when he's got infinite energy to create. The school's apparent problems are child's play compared to the goal he set for himself. That's why he acted the way he did. He's a big picture kinda guy I guess. But I addressed this point quite a while ago, though not here on MAL: Tatsuya is shortsighted in this respect. If his goal is for mages to be seen as more than just weapons (I think you mean 'not to be seen as weapons but as actual contributors to society', more than just weapons implies that they still are treated as tools to be used amongst other things), then wouldn't that mean it's only a slight upgrade? Sure, he can create a magical nuclear reactor, but it's not like military mages would be phased out. As long as mages remain a viable and effective instrument of war, it doesn't matter what kind of role you give them in the future, as a battery, as inventory management, whatever, as long as they remain as such, they can never break free from the stigma unless they rebel against the governments (and mage masters) that bind them, ban military use of magic (making this the magic equivalent of non-nuclear proliferation -> non-magic proliferation). For the future, will the technology be shared amongst the people of the world? How will dissemination of such tech be done? Humans will surely try to use infinite energy as a bargaining chip, Bio said: The final straw for Ryan was the destruction of Hiroshima with the atomic bomb. In his eyes, the bomb was the ultimate corruption of his ideals -- science and determination harnessed for destruction, creating a weapon that gave the "parasites" the ability to destroy anything that they could not seize. One thing Tatsuya is, is a realist. And yes, I did mean "more than just a weapon" because he realizes that it's a fool's dream to hope magicians won't be seen primarily as weapons. What he intends to do is show that magicians aren't only capable of militaristic pursuits but can also contribute to society in other ways, cementing their position in society because as it is currently, magicians who aren't capable of fighting or who don't have enough talent/power to be fighting machines are relegated to the bottom of the society. If his plan works, these magicians can also use whatever power they do have to do something worthwhile for society as a whole. I can't speak for all fans of Mahouka but my interest in the series, other than the family politics, stems from how he intends to achieve his goal because we have been told he will in some sense. "The Scorched Halloween. Future historians would look back upon this day and refer to it as such. It was a turning point in military history, just as it was a turning point in history. This was the day that magic was proven to have surpassed mechanical, nuclear, and biological arms. Bared before all was the truth that magic alone determined the outcome between victory and defeat. This was the true dawn of history for the race known as Magicians, in all of its high glory and darkest suffering." Volume 6 ch 13 |
Jul 6, 2014 11:18 PM
#152
millie10468 said: One thing Tatsuya is, is a realist. And yes, I did mean "more than just a weapon" because he realizes that it's a fool's dream to hope magicians won't be seen primarily as weapons. What he intends to do is show that magicians aren't only capable of militaristic pursuits but can also contribute to society in other ways, cementing their position in society because as it is currently, magicians who aren't capable of fighting or who don't have enough talent/power to be fighting machines are relegated to the bottom of the society. If his plan works, these magicians can also use whatever power they do have to do something worthwhile for society as a whole. I can't speak for all fans of Mahouka but my interest in the series, other than the family politics, stems from how he intends to achieve his goal because we have been told he will in some sense. "The Scorched Halloween. Future historians would look back upon this day and refer to it as such. It was a turning point in military history, just as it was a turning point in history. This was the day that magic was proven to have surpassed mechanical, nuclear, and biological arms. Bared before all was the truth that magic alone determined the outcome between victory and defeat. This was the true dawn of history for the race known as Magicians, in all of its high glory and darkest suffering." Volume 6 ch 13 Humanity is gonna be fucked in the Mahoukaverse as long as mages remain as military assets. I don't see their world ever getting a happy ending. I honestly would've liked it if Mahouka went deep with the theme that magic is a curse upon the world or that magic shouldn't be wielded for any government or ideology. |
Jul 6, 2014 11:29 PM
#153
wrenchbread said: millie10468 said: One thing Tatsuya is, is a realist. And yes, I did mean "more than just a weapon" because he realizes that it's a fool's dream to hope magicians won't be seen primarily as weapons. What he intends to do is show that magicians aren't only capable of militaristic pursuits but can also contribute to society in other ways, cementing their position in society because as it is currently, magicians who aren't capable of fighting or who don't have enough talent/power to be fighting machines are relegated to the bottom of the society. If his plan works, these magicians can also use whatever power they do have to do something worthwhile for society as a whole. I can't speak for all fans of Mahouka but my interest in the series, other than the family politics, stems from how he intends to achieve his goal because we have been told he will in some sense. "The Scorched Halloween. Future historians would look back upon this day and refer to it as such. It was a turning point in military history, just as it was a turning point in history. This was the day that magic was proven to have surpassed mechanical, nuclear, and biological arms. Bared before all was the truth that magic alone determined the outcome between victory and defeat. This was the true dawn of history for the race known as Magicians, in all of its high glory and darkest suffering." Volume 6 ch 13 Humanity is gonna be fucked in the Mahoukaverse as long as mages remain as military assets. I don't see their world ever getting a happy ending. I honestly would've liked it if Mahouka went deep with the theme that magic is a curse upon the world or that magic shouldn't be wielded for any government or ideology. That's the truth. I've been trying to think of ways the problem could be amicably solved but I'm coming up with nothing. Unless some Holocaust-level genocide is employed, their world really will be fucked up. It would have been better for them if magic wasn't hereditary or genetic. That magic is a curse and should be exterminated is the manifesto of hardcore anti-magic groups like Blanche. Where the author plans to go with that is unknown, though it would be good if he goes the route you suggest. |
Jul 6, 2014 11:37 PM
#154
millie10468 said: That's the truth. I've been trying to think of ways the problem could be amicably solved but I'm coming up with nothing. Unless some Holocaust-level genocide is employed, their world really will be fucked up. It would have been better for them if magic wasn't hereditary or genetic. That magic is a curse and should be exterminated is the manifesto of hardcore anti-magic groups like Blanche. Where the author plans to go with that is unknown, though it would be good if he goes the route you suggest. Well, it's nice we're able to agree on one thing. I considered mage genocide before but it's THE WORST thing that can possibly happen and I'm mad at myself for even suggesting it. I feel that it's very easy to make an Accidental Aesop when trying to show that being special/having powers isn't all that great because it can totally be seen as throwing away your individuality, to conform. But my wish for the theme of magic being a curse is to portray magic as something humans aren't meant to wield. That we shouldn't play God. That when given the opportunity, humanity will surely corrupt something that can potentially help others. |
Jul 6, 2014 11:46 PM
#155
wrenchbread said: millie10468 said: That's the truth. I've been trying to think of ways the problem could be amicably solved but I'm coming up with nothing. Unless some Holocaust-level genocide is employed, their world really will be fucked up. It would have been better for them if magic wasn't hereditary or genetic. That magic is a curse and should be exterminated is the manifesto of hardcore anti-magic groups like Blanche. Where the author plans to go with that is unknown, though it would be good if he goes the route you suggest. Well, it's nice we're able to agree on one thing. I considered mage genocide before but it's THE WORST thing that can possibly happen and I'm mad at myself for even suggesting it. I feel that it's very easy to make an Accidental Aesop when trying to show that being special/having powers isn't all that great because it can totally be seen as throwing away your individuality, to conform. But my wish for the theme of magic being a curse is to portray magic as something humans aren't meant to wield. That we shouldn't play God. That when given the opportunity, humanity will surely corrupt something that can potentially help others. Yeah, I think it's the first time it's happened. For what it's worth, I can feel you trying very hard to like the series so I can see why you would be disappointed when it doesn't go the way you envisioned. You're in luck then. The Visitor arc introduced these beings called Parasites. All indications show that magic initially stemmed from them and they seem so nonhuman that it makes sense that they were the original wielders of magic. Hopefully, the author will portray them as against humanity having magic in the first place. |
Jul 6, 2014 11:55 PM
#156
millie10468 said: Yeah, I think it's the first time it's happened. For what it's worth, I can feel you trying very hard to like the series so I can see why you would be disappointed when it doesn't go the way you envisioned. You're in luck then. The Visitor arc introduced these beings called Parasites. All indications show that magic initially stemmed from them and they seem so nonhuman that it makes sense that they were the original wielders of magic. Hopefully, the author will portray them as against humanity having magic in the first place. I just call 'em interdimensional vampire demons. I still can't believe that that's actually a thing since it came from left field. The entire time the series is saying that magic is a science, magic is a science! Then it pulls that. I wasn't even mad when I found about them; I just laughed at the sheer ridiculousness of it all. |
Jul 6, 2014 11:59 PM
#157
Sourire said: I remember during the first arc when LNs readers were saying how better the next arc would be.. lol. Well, I certainly see why. If we look at it from reading perspective there is much more going on, there are new and interesting characters and there is another bit of world building. Now, if we look from anime perspective, there is...well, what we have. As anime, this show gets on my nerves really fast. If this was VN (since I am too lazy to read LN) I would read hundreds of hours of this with pleasure since Mahouka World seems complex, fubar when it comes to mages having control, downright oppressive to some etc. Mahouka has all the things necessary to be great, it's just that anime doesn't take any of those and just focuses on everyone glorifying Tatsuya while giving halfhearted explanations to everything else. I believe LN is great, I do. It's just that no one can convince me the show is not horrible. |
Jul 7, 2014 12:02 AM
#158
nina4life said: Well, I certainly see why. If we look at it from reading perspective there is much more going on, there are new and interesting characters and there is another bit of world building. Now, if we look from anime perspective, there is...well, what we have. As anime, this show gets on my nerves really fast. If this was VN (since I am too lazy to read LN) I would read hundreds of hours of this with pleasure since Mahouka World seems complex, fubar when it comes to mages having control, downright oppressive to some etc. Mahouka has all the things necessary to be great, it's just that anime doesn't take any of those and just focuses on everyone glorifying Tatsuya while giving halfhearted explanations to everything else. I believe LN is great, I do. It's just that no one can convince me the show is not horrible. Speaking of worldbuilding in VNs... have some Muv-Luv Unlimited. Probably one of the few instances where exposition is engaging and adds flavor (especially since we have our world to compare it to). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnbEKMU3Hio |
Jul 7, 2014 12:04 AM
#159
wrenchbread said: I just call 'em interdimensional vampire demons. I still can't believe that that's actually a thing since it came from left field. The entire time the series is saying that magic is a science, magic is a science! Then it pulls that. I wasn't even mad when I found about them; I just laughed at the sheer ridiculousness of it all. Oh so you've read the novels? |
Jul 7, 2014 12:09 AM
#160
wrenchbread said: snip Read long time ago :) I can sit down and read VNs for hours upon hours, but reading actual books? Too lazy. I read dozens of VNs and that is why I said I see the appeal in Mahouka. I think it's the medium that's destroying it. |
Jul 7, 2014 12:10 AM
#161
millie10468 said: Oh so you've read the novels? I ain't touching 'em on principle, so I use spoilers to gauge whether or not I should commit based on the most recent volumes. Most of my knowledge is from the anime supplanted with comparisons to the novels. Got spoilers from here quite a while ago: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13814190310A86693600&page=22#532 I love the subsequent discussion lol nina4life said: Read long time ago :) I can sit down and read VNs for hours upon hours, but reading actual books? Too lazy. I read dozens of VNs and that is why I said I see the appeal in Mahouka. I think it's the medium that's destroying it. I think it's just the execution. Most LNs read in that sort of dry manner. There's a difference between something like SAO/Mahouka and actual novels like Hyouka/Shinsekai Yori. And it's been 2 years since I finished MLA. I still get feels just thinking about the journey. Even the OST triggers memories [and tears]. |
wrenchbreadJul 7, 2014 12:14 AM
Jul 7, 2014 1:23 AM
#162
wrenchbread said: Orix said: If this was any realistic, the powers of the world would have shifted to the Equator to avoid the Ice Age and that Japan would have been part of the Pacific Alliance of America. I wouldn't drop the term "realistic" because Mahouka will never be realistic due to the presence of magic that would make comparisons difficult. If this was the least bit realistic, Japan in the Mahoukaverse would've starved to death during the food shortages they witnessed. 1. Japan is allied with the US in the Mahoukaverse, though there aren't any US bases in Okinawa any more. 2. Developed countries didn't suffer from food shortages, technology solved the problems, only the poor ones did. |
Jul 7, 2014 1:24 AM
#163
Is this show good yet? |
Jul 7, 2014 1:40 AM
#164
urbanoid said: 1. Japan is allied with the US in the Mahoukaverse, though there aren't any US bases in Okinawa any more. 2. Developed countries didn't suffer from food shortages, technology solved the problems, only the poor ones did. Japan relies heavily on food imports. They would've lost the war if people just denied them shipments. |
Jul 7, 2014 1:52 AM
#165
SolviteSekai said: Is this show good yet? At least this episode was decent, the next one we will enter the "Tatsuya will stomp everyone" stage, or in short you can just call it battle. |
Jul 7, 2014 2:02 AM
#166
Oh, and the author is definitely NOT racist: 1. As I said there are no US bases in Japan anymore, but there are quite a lot of mixed-children that are descendants of US soldiers, referred to as 'Left-Bloods' by many. The author clearly disagrees with people looking down on them, he suggests that what's important is their loyalty to the state, not their skin color (some of them had black ancestry). 2. Erika is half-Japanese (her father had an affair with a non-Japanese woman), Leo isn't even a half (his father was half and his mother was a quarter.), there are a few other characters like that. 3. He also isn't that nationalist, he hints that Japan is not the most advanced country when it comes to magic research, less than the United States of (North) America (yes, with Canada and Mexico), but more than for example China (Pan-Asian Alliance), but how is it different when compared to the technological prowess in the real world? 4. Sure Russia and China (NSU and PAA) are sort of bad guys, invading Japanese soil once in a while, but who else would be Japan's enemy? Again, isn't it a little bit like that in the real world? I, for one, see them as the 'bad guys'. |
Jul 7, 2014 2:08 AM
#167
wrenchbread said: Japan relies heavily on food imports. They would've lost the war if people just denied them shipments. Japan is, to a large extent, self-sufficient when it comes to food production, in 1990 it was 67%. Plus you can't deny shipments to Japan when they have the US on their side. In Mahoukaverse: From Wikia: World War Three was caused by two major factors: In the year 2020 advanced agricultural production became a solar-powered industry. This leads to a temporary population boom. Starting around 2030, the entire planet underwent a radical drop in temperature; the world’s overall food supply deteriorated on a massive scale. While the effects were felt less in developed countries, it greatly affected the emerging industrial nations already experiencing an accelerated demographic explosion brought on by radical economic growth. What occured next, started the conflicts Inhabitants of the northern regions of China tried to illegally cross the frontier with Russia, to escape the drop in temperature and desertification. Russia deported the illegal immigrants, because environmental migration is not recognized as legal under international law. Following Russia's harsh treatment of the Chinese migrants, China accused Russia of lack of humanitarianism, while Russia simply replied that they were following international law. Talks between Russia and China became more aggressive, until they eventually broke down. The incident would later influence several other events, such as low-scale conflicts over resources, and would be the primary trigger for World War Three. |
Jul 7, 2014 2:33 AM
#168
Jul 7, 2014 3:51 AM
#169
Why in the hell were the participants of the Mirage Bat/whatever the fuck that game's called wearing those magical girl cosplays? I sure hope there's a male equivalent of this stupid event, and that the boys get to wear ridiculous mahou shounen outfits as well. Of course Tatsuya would easily talk down his female senpais who dare ask him politely to participate in the last game, and of course super manly broad-shouldered Jûmonji would be the one to talk some sense into him. Man, the way this show loves to degrade his female characters is so in-your-face, it's not even funny anymore. SolviteSekai said: Is this show good yet? To quote Emnay: "shows like this never get better". |
SapewlothJul 7, 2014 4:33 AM
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Jul 7, 2014 4:07 AM
#170
urbanoid said: Oh, and the author is definitely NOT racist: 1. As I said there are no US bases in Japan anymore, but there are quite a lot of mixed-children that are descendants of US soldiers, referred to as 'Left-Bloods' by many. The author clearly disagrees with people looking down on them, he suggests that what's important is their loyalty to the state, not their skin color (some of them had black ancestry). 2. Erika is half-Japanese (her father had an affair with a non-Japanese woman), Leo isn't even a half (his father was half and his mother was a quarter.), there are a few other characters like that. 3. He also isn't that nationalist, he hints that Japan is not the most advanced country when it comes to magic research, less than the United States of (North) America (yes, with Canada and Mexico), but more than for example China (Pan-Asian Alliance), but how is it different when compared to the technological prowess in the real world? 4. Sure Russia and China (NSU and PAA) are sort of bad guys, invading Japanese soil once in a while, but who else would be Japan's enemy? Again, isn't it a little bit like that in the real world? I, for one, see them as the 'bad guys'. 4. Does this shows going to have antagonists? If yes are they from one of the two countries you mention there at spoiler number 4? |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Jul 7, 2014 4:24 AM
#171
Zapredon said: urbanoid said: Oh, and the author is definitely NOT racist: 1. As I said there are no US bases in Japan anymore, but there are quite a lot of mixed-children that are descendants of US soldiers, referred to as 'Left-Bloods' by many. The author clearly disagrees with people looking down on them, he suggests that what's important is their loyalty to the state, not their skin color (some of them had black ancestry). 2. Erika is half-Japanese (her father had an affair with a non-Japanese woman), Leo isn't even a half (his father was half and his mother was a quarter.), there are a few other characters like that. 3. He also isn't that nationalist, he hints that Japan is not the most advanced country when it comes to magic research, less than the United States of (North) America (yes, with Canada and Mexico), but more than for example China (Pan-Asian Alliance), but how is it different when compared to the technological prowess in the real world? 4. Sure Russia and China (NSU and PAA) are sort of bad guys, invading Japanese soil once in a while, but who else would be Japan's enemy? Again, isn't it a little bit like that in the real world? I, for one, see them as the 'bad guys'. 4. Does this shows going to have antagonists? If yes are they from one of the two countries you mention there at spoiler number 4? There will be antagonists from Pan-Asian Alliance in the next arc, it's also mentioned that 3 or 4 years earlier the Russians attacked some northern Japanese Islands, but were defeated. |
Jul 7, 2014 5:55 AM
#172
SolviteSekai said: Is this show good yet? It's a huge circle-jerk around overpowered MCs so you should love it :3 |
Jul 7, 2014 6:17 AM
#173
Some interesting discussions few pages back, I enjoyed reading that to some points. Anyway, nice episode. Not sure about the new OP and ED, but the OP sequences basically confirmed that Yokohama arc will be in this season, like most people already predicted. Poor Shizuku, you just can't beat Miyuki..... The Monolith Code should be in the next episode, can't wait to see how it's going to be animated. |
Jul 7, 2014 6:36 AM
#174
Oh and I forgot to add: it's already been said over and over but the way the keeps pushing Tatsuya in the front to solve everyone and their mom's problems is really, really annoying. Did I mention that the Mirage Bat event is extremely insulting, already ? Keetriver said: Finally the men get their moment to shine. I'm kinda hoping Tatsuya to lose in some way though. By "men", you mean Tatsuya right? Because the show made it pretty clear the only reason we get to see a males event is because Tatsu participates. |
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Jul 7, 2014 7:20 AM
#175
Sapewloth said: Oh and I forgot to add: it's already been said over and over but the way the keeps pushing Tatsuya in the front to solve everyone and their mom's problems is really, really annoying. Did I mention that the Mirage Bat event is extremely insulting, already ? Keetriver said: Finally the men get their moment to shine. I'm kinda hoping Tatsuya to lose in some way though. By "men", you mean Tatsuya right? Because the show made it pretty clear the only reason we get to see a males event is because Tatsu participates. 1. Rewatch the opening. 2. Tatsuya participating does not mean the others will not shine. |
Jul 7, 2014 9:41 AM
#176
urbanoid said: Oh, and the author is definitely NOT racist: 1. As I said there are no US bases in Japan anymore, but there are quite a lot of mixed-children that are descendants of US soldiers, referred to as 'Left-Bloods' by many. The author clearly disagrees with people looking down on them, he suggests that what's important is their loyalty to the state, not their skin color (some of them had black ancestry). 2. Erika is half-Japanese (her father had an affair with a non-Japanese woman), Leo isn't even a half (his father was half and his mother was a quarter.), there are a few other characters like that. 3. He also isn't that nationalist, he hints that Japan is not the most advanced country when it comes to magic research, less than the United States of (North) America (yes, with Canada and Mexico), but more than for example China (Pan-Asian Alliance), but how is it different when compared to the technological prowess in the real world? 4. Sure Russia and China (NSU and PAA) are sort of bad guys, invading Japanese soil once in a while, but who else would be Japan's enemy? Again, isn't it a little bit like that in the real world? I, for one, see them as the 'bad guys'. Well, he technically ain’t racist, but he sure loves to verbally fellate his homeland. Chauvinist most likely. 1. Loyalty to the Japanese state, making them subservient to YAMATO DAMASHII (Half-joking here) 2. Gary Stu and Mary Sue are purebloods. Others are Mudbloods. 3. The strongest mage in the American military is a descendent of a very powerful Japanese mage. She also happens to be made into a pitiful character. Everything good basically leads back to the Japanese. They also hold the most powerful group of mages in the world in the form of them whatever clans or families. It’s basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3RHenh8vJ8#t=301 ^“All good things of this earth flows from Japan” 4. If your argument is in the form of a very shaky question and inconsistent/irrelevant points (“they’re sort of the bad guys, who else would be Japan's enemy? But it's just like the real world!") then I think you should reevaluate your position. And I think you’re being disingenuous and fallacious. Yes, the Chinese are portrayed as the bad guys in this universe, unequivocally, not just “sort of”. The thing is, it's not even having them as antagonists that's the problem; the problem is that they are portrayed only as barbarians trying to take what's not theirs (in this case, Japan). That is a jingoist stance and feeds to on the notion of sonnou joui. The Japanese mages' crimes against humanity are not as scrutinized or condemned as much, if at all, as the Chinese/Koreans. The story treats it as another day in mage society. Human experimentation, which if you remember, is shit Japan did in WW2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 If you consider the handwaving that is done in regards to this bit, then what does that say about Satou's stance on such a thing? And I’m still trying to wrap my head around just what the hell does this even mean? “Who else would be Japan’s enemy?” You know what, have a list of how Japan is a Mary Sue nation. From the wikis They have few Magicians but are very advanced in Magic Technologies as a result of past experiments. Their lineages of powerful Magicians are considered the most refined in the world. The Juumonji clan are considered to be the best defensive Magicians in the world. They possess the strongest Magician of the current age, Yotsuba Maya. They possess the Yotsuba clan, who are feared around the world as the possible harbingers of World War IV. They have the Apostle and Strategic Magician Itsuwa Mio and their unregistered Strategic Magician, Special Lieutenant Ooguro Ryuuya. They possess the unrivalled Magical Engineer Taurus Silver. urbanoid said: Japan is, to a large extent, self-sufficient when it comes to food production, in 1990 it was 67%. Plus you can't deny shipments to Japan when they have the US on their side. In Mahoukaverse: From Wikia: World War Three was caused by two major factors: In the year 2020 advanced agricultural production became a solar-powered industry. This leads to a temporary population boom. Starting around 2030, the entire planet underwent a radical drop in temperature; the world’s overall food supply deteriorated on a massive scale. While the effects were felt less in developed countries, it greatly affected the emerging industrial nations already experiencing an accelerated demographic explosion brought on by radical economic growth. What occured next, started the conflicts Inhabitants of the northern regions of China tried to illegally cross the frontier with Russia, to escape the drop in temperature and desertification. Russia deported the illegal immigrants, because environmental migration is not recognized as legal under international law. Following Russia's harsh treatment of the Chinese migrants, China accused Russia of lack of humanitarianism, while Russia simply replied that they were following international law. Talks between Russia and China became more aggressive, until they eventually broke down. The incident would later influence several other events, such as low-scale conflicts over resources, and would be the primary trigger for World War Three. From the look of it, the US-Japan Security Treaty no longer holds. When my country is having food riots the last thing I’m gonna worry about is helping allies. I’d rather keep the food for own my citizens. And I’m not sure what they mean by advanced technology. Did they have GMOs that can withstand harsh, cold weather? Climate controlled food production facilities a la’ Hyper Oats from Psycho-Pass? Realistically, all countries should be crippled because the food chain. HomeAlone said: Tatsuya participating does not mean the others will not shine. They get to shine because Tatsuya is participating with them. |
wrenchbreadJul 7, 2014 9:50 AM
Jul 7, 2014 10:21 AM
#177
Thread Cleaned of a random troll attempt. Haven't watched this, so all I see is a bunch of mumbo jumbo political plumbo. I did notice the decline in score for some reason. Hopefully it's not cause of this :/ |
Jul 7, 2014 5:14 PM
#178
forgiuse said: That's just disturbing and wrong... and i'm a incest fan! Subtle be damned ! Oh, this ep there wasn't a info dump huh? The op and ed are nice, except for the shot above... oh god |
FragOutFire said: Why am I a Berserk fan? All I ever experience is pain. We are in the eclipse and Miura has sacrificed us |
Jul 8, 2014 2:31 AM
#179
nice episode Tatsuya finally agree to compete in Monolith Code. can't wait to see her action :) The new ED song was great. |
Jul 8, 2014 3:55 AM
#180
My god, I swear I couldn't care less about the tournament. I thought the show would pick up with the Crimson Prince's entrance, but nothing's happened so far. CAN PLEASE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY KTHX |
Jul 8, 2014 6:07 AM
#181
fanshii said: My god, I swear I couldn't care less about the tournament. I thought the show would pick up with the Crimson Prince's entrance, but nothing's happened so far. CAN PLEASE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY KTHX Something else than praising Tatsuya in all kinds of ways? You must be joking! |
Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Jul 8, 2014 6:08 AM
#182
Nidhoeggr said: fanshii said: My god, I swear I couldn't care less about the tournament. I thought the show would pick up with the Crimson Prince's entrance, but nothing's happened so far. CAN PLEASE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY KTHX Something else than praising Tatsuya in all kinds of ways? You must be joking! Bro, just 6 more episodes and i swear the good part starts. |
Jul 8, 2014 6:51 AM
#183
well, new OP and ED have many naked scenes and very incest meh, there's so many girls around tatsuya, but why his sister? everybody talks about Yokohama arc, but i know nothing :( so Tatsuya is battling for monolith code huh, and with his gangs. I like Mikihiko, actually. maybe he's my favorite character among this anime. still a bit confused about the magic lectures. but i just watched it anyway. so Taurus Silver is Shiba Tatsuya? to be honest I forgot who is Taurus Silver and what did he do, and i'm lazy to watch it again... 4/5 |
♪ Do re mi fa pupupu, waa~~ ♪ |
Jul 8, 2014 7:44 AM
#184
SolviteSekai said: Nidhoeggr said: fanshii said: My god, I swear I couldn't care less about the tournament. I thought the show would pick up with the Crimson Prince's entrance, but nothing's happened so far. CAN PLEASE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY KTHX Something else than praising Tatsuya in all kinds of ways? You must be joking! Bro, just 6 more episodes and i swear the good part starts. The good part starts this week. |
Jul 8, 2014 8:36 AM
#185
Nothing happened this episode. Absolutely nothing. Another match after we've seen so many other pillars break matches already. Look, honestly, I love plot development, and I really appreciate a good story that the studio spends time over. Problem is, this isn't a good enough story that's WORTH spending time over, and they do not compensate at all with awesome battles and stuff. Tatsuya fighting the Crimson Prince will be cool. But it could have happened FOUR EPISODES AGO and I would have had the same reaction. I just can't get myself to care at all about this school competition. Also the way that A-chan realised Tatsuya was Taurus Silver... that was very bluntly executed. She has this revelation out of the blue. It's not dramatic. There's been no build up to it, or grand mystery. Just "Taurus Silver is totally MLG but Tatsuya is way MLG OHMY they must be the same." No matter how mad Tatsuya's skillz are, it doesn't mean he's freakin' Taurus Silver (even though he actually is). Does A-chan really think it's impossible for someone to simply just be good at engineering? It just seems so implausible that she would come to that certain conclusion... Oh well, I'll keep slogging through this series. At least the graphics are nice. |
Jul 8, 2014 8:37 AM
#186
HomeAlone said: SolviteSekai said: Nidhoeggr said: fanshii said: My god, I swear I couldn't care less about the tournament. I thought the show would pick up with the Crimson Prince's entrance, but nothing's happened so far. CAN PLEASE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY KTHX Something else than praising Tatsuya in all kinds of ways? You must be joking! Bro, just 6 more episodes and i swear the good part starts. The good part starts this week. Quit promising stuff you have no way of guaranteeing. |
Jul 8, 2014 9:14 AM
#187
millie10468 said: Quit promising stuff you have no way of guaranteeing. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have been hearing "it gets better in x episodes" ever since the show was released. Is it EVER gonna get better? Lol. |
Jul 8, 2014 9:23 AM
#188
millie10468 said: HomeAlone said: SolviteSekai said: Nidhoeggr said: fanshii said: My god, I swear I couldn't care less about the tournament. I thought the show would pick up with the Crimson Prince's entrance, but nothing's happened so far. CAN PLEASE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY KTHX Something else than praising Tatsuya in all kinds of ways? You must be joking! Bro, just 6 more episodes and i swear the good part starts. The good part starts this week. Quit promising stuff you have no way of guaranteeing. It changes nothing readers promised it so much already that it's become a joke. Hint: Look at the post above mine. Haters gonna hate anyway. |
Jul 8, 2014 9:35 AM
#189
Kalypze said: millie10468 said: Quit promising stuff you have no way of guaranteeing. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have been hearing "it gets better in x episodes" ever since the show was released. Is it EVER gonna get better? Lol. Personally, it got a lot better for me in this arc, especially by this same point in the novels but I'm of the opinion that if nothing so far has made you curious, then it's probably not your cup of tea and it would be in your best interest to just stop watching. HomeAlone said: millie10468 said: HomeAlone said: SolviteSekai said: Nidhoeggr said: fanshii said: My god, I swear I couldn't care less about the tournament. I thought the show would pick up with the Crimson Prince's entrance, but nothing's happened so far. CAN PLEASE SOMETHING HAPPEN ALREADY KTHX Something else than praising Tatsuya in all kinds of ways? You must be joking! Bro, just 6 more episodes and i swear the good part starts. The good part starts this week. Quit promising stuff you have no way of guaranteeing. It changes nothing readers promised it so much already that it's become a joke. Hint: Look at the post above mine. Haters gonna hate anyway. I know that but you can't deny that what LN readers were promising isn't exactly what was given. It seems much prudent to just let them say what they want to say without engaging in any dialogue that has the potential to be used against the fans in the end. |
OpalMidgeJul 8, 2014 9:42 AM
Jul 8, 2014 9:38 AM
#190
You guys should've learned something from the whole SAO debacle 2 years ago. They said the exact things: "it's gonna get better soon!" Better to let other people decide and ignore the rest. |
Jul 8, 2014 9:52 AM
#191
wrenchbread said: I was blind during that time and liked SAO, though it was around ep 14 (hey, like the ep Mahouka is in) that I started to dislike it. I still think the 1st half was okay. But yeah, I didn't learn anything out of that because I didn't hate it enough back then ;PYou guys should've learned something from the whole SAO debacle 2 years ago. They said the exact things: "it's gonna get better soon!" Better to let other people decide and ignore the rest. @Millie: I did drop it after this week's ep. I only stuck up with it for so long because I was hoping something would happen, but I gave up. I fail to see why this is so overhyped. At the very least SAO and SnK had lots of tense moments and overly dramatic dialogues, whereas this is just... a snooze fest. |
Jul 8, 2014 1:31 PM
#192
RedReaper said: Nothing happened this episode. Absolutely nothing. Another match after we've seen so many other pillars break matches already. Look, honestly, I love plot development, and I really appreciate a good story that the studio spends time over. Problem is, this isn't a good enough story that's WORTH spending time over, and they do not compensate at all with awesome battles and stuff. Tatsuya fighting the Crimson Prince will be cool. But it could have happened FOUR EPISODES AGO and I would have had the same reaction. I just can't get myself to care at all about this school competition. Also the way that A-chan realised Tatsuya was Taurus Silver... that was very bluntly executed. She has this revelation out of the blue. It's not dramatic. There's been no build up to it, or grand mystery. Just "Taurus Silver is totally MLG but Tatsuya is way MLG OHMY they must be the same." No matter how mad Tatsuya's skillz are, it doesn't mean he's freakin' Taurus Silver (even though he actually is). Does A-chan really think it's impossible for someone to simply just be good at engineering? It just seems so implausible that she would come to that certain conclusion... Oh well, I'll keep slogging through this series. At least the graphics are nice. From what I remember it was more dramatic in the LN when A-chan put the pieces together. And yes it is impossible for it to be anyone else because that level of skill is only possible to Tatsuya. You can get the best technician in japan and he would've be able to do the things Tatsuya did in this competition. |
Jul 9, 2014 11:41 AM
#194
finally! let's see some actual combat. The rest of the competition was pretty boring and seemed to drag on way to long. btw, if I wanted to start reading the LN from this point, where would I start? |
appidoJul 9, 2014 11:45 AM
Jul 9, 2014 11:58 AM
#195
appido said: finally! let's see some actual combat. The rest of the competition was pretty boring and seemed to drag on way to long. btw, if I wanted to start reading the LN from this point, where would I start? Here Starting from the last part but the competition were a lot more interesting in the LN it's better to read everything from the start. |
Jul 9, 2014 9:17 PM
#196
wrenchbread said: urbanoid said: Oh, and the author is definitely NOT racist: 1. As I said there are no US bases in Japan anymore, but there are quite a lot of mixed-children that are descendants of US soldiers, referred to as 'Left-Bloods' by many. The author clearly disagrees with people looking down on them, he suggests that what's important is their loyalty to the state, not their skin color (some of them had black ancestry). 2. Erika is half-Japanese (her father had an affair with a non-Japanese woman), Leo isn't even a half (his father was half and his mother was a quarter.), there are a few other characters like that. 3. He also isn't that nationalist, he hints that Japan is not the most advanced country when it comes to magic research, less than the United States of (North) America (yes, with Canada and Mexico), but more than for example China (Pan-Asian Alliance), but how is it different when compared to the technological prowess in the real world? 4. Sure Russia and China (NSU and PAA) are sort of bad guys, invading Japanese soil once in a while, but who else would be Japan's enemy? Again, isn't it a little bit like that in the real world? I, for one, see them as the 'bad guys'. Well, he technically ain’t racist, but he sure loves to verbally fellate his homeland. Chauvinist most likely. 1. Loyalty to the Japanese state, making them subservient to YAMATO DAMASHII (Half-joking here) 2. Gary Stu and Mary Sue are purebloods. Others are Mudbloods. 3. The strongest mage in the American military is a descendent of a very powerful Japanese mage. She also happens to be made into a pitiful character. Everything good basically leads back to the Japanese. They also hold the most powerful group of mages in the world in the form of them whatever clans or families. It’s basically this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3RHenh8vJ8#t=301 ^“All good things of this earth flows from Japan” 4. If your argument is in the form of a very shaky question and inconsistent/irrelevant points (“they’re sort of the bad guys, who else would be Japan's enemy? But it's just like the real world!") then I think you should reevaluate your position. And I think you’re being disingenuous and fallacious. Yes, the Chinese are portrayed as the bad guys in this universe, unequivocally, not just “sort of”. The thing is, it's not even having them as antagonists that's the problem; the problem is that they are portrayed only as barbarians trying to take what's not theirs (in this case, Japan). That is a jingoist stance and feeds to on the notion of sonnou joui. The Japanese mages' crimes against humanity are not as scrutinized or condemned as much, if at all, as the Chinese/Koreans. The story treats it as another day in mage society. Human experimentation, which if you remember, is shit Japan did in WW2 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731 If you consider the handwaving that is done in regards to this bit, then what does that say about Satou's stance on such a thing? And I’m still trying to wrap my head around just what the hell does this even mean? “Who else would be Japan’s enemy?” You know what, have a list of how Japan is a Mary Sue nation. From the wikis They have few Magicians but are very advanced in Magic Technologies as a result of past experiments. Their lineages of powerful Magicians are considered the most refined in the world. The Juumonji clan are considered to be the best defensive Magicians in the world. They possess the strongest Magician of the current age, Yotsuba Maya. They possess the Yotsuba clan, who are feared around the world as the possible harbingers of World War IV. They have the Apostle and Strategic Magician Itsuwa Mio and their unregistered Strategic Magician, Special Lieutenant Ooguro Ryuuya. They possess the unrivalled Magical Engineer Taurus Silver. urbanoid said: Japan is, to a large extent, self-sufficient when it comes to food production, in 1990 it was 67%. Plus you can't deny shipments to Japan when they have the US on their side. In Mahoukaverse: From Wikia: World War Three was caused by two major factors: In the year 2020 advanced agricultural production became a solar-powered industry. This leads to a temporary population boom. Starting around 2030, the entire planet underwent a radical drop in temperature; the world’s overall food supply deteriorated on a massive scale. While the effects were felt less in developed countries, it greatly affected the emerging industrial nations already experiencing an accelerated demographic explosion brought on by radical economic growth. What occured next, started the conflicts Inhabitants of the northern regions of China tried to illegally cross the frontier with Russia, to escape the drop in temperature and desertification. Russia deported the illegal immigrants, because environmental migration is not recognized as legal under international law. Following Russia's harsh treatment of the Chinese migrants, China accused Russia of lack of humanitarianism, while Russia simply replied that they were following international law. Talks between Russia and China became more aggressive, until they eventually broke down. The incident would later influence several other events, such as low-scale conflicts over resources, and would be the primary trigger for World War Three. From the look of it, the US-Japan Security Treaty no longer holds. When my country is having food riots the last thing I’m gonna worry about is helping allies. I’d rather keep the food for own my citizens. And I’m not sure what they mean by advanced technology. Did they have GMOs that can withstand harsh, cold weather? Climate controlled food production facilities a la’ Hyper Oats from Psycho-Pass? Realistically, all countries should be crippled because the food chain. HomeAlone said: Tatsuya participating does not mean the others will not shine. They get to shine because Tatsuya is participating with them. Speaking about real world,I thought China-Russia relationship today is quite good so it doesn't reflect on Mahouka universe where tension between Russia-China cause World War 3. And are most mix race characters in Mahouka which involve western parents,the father is Japanese while the mother are the westerner? I thought in real world,most of the time,it's the other way around where the father is westerner while mother is Japanese http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E9%9A%9B%E7%B5%90%E5%A9%9A#.E5.A4.AB.E5.A6.BB.E3.81.AE.E5.9B.BD.E7.B1.8D.E5.88.A5.E3.81.AB.E3.81.BF.E3.81.9F.E5.A9.9A.E5.A7.BB.E4.BB.B6.E6.95.B0.E3.81.AE.E5.B9.B4.E6.AC.A1.E6.8E.A8.E7.A7.BB |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Jul 10, 2014 4:29 AM
#197
Quite a lot of garbage about this being a snooze fest and such on the forums. Solvite is back. Shit. Honestly get a hint will you ppl? There are so many hints dropped about the plot getting a level up in badass. |
I spent my time here nowadays: [url=forums.spacebattles.com]Spacebattles Forums[/url] Its been a while since I came to MAL. Ignore my old posts please, they were dumb. |
Jul 10, 2014 10:06 PM
#198
Feels like something interestng might actually happen within the next episode or two, what with us seeing that table of schemers trying to fuck up 1st highs plans, and now Tatsuya actually being forced to go against these two bad-asses which may actually give our lord Jesus Gary Stew some difficulty. The background of those two dudes seems very interesting, the crimson prince seemingly having actual combat experience using this magic system which is cool. And we learn a little bit more about the Mahouka world history through that very short little flasback thingy of his. But I do agree with some other posters though, it has dragged out too many episodes that seem to have little to no purpose for whatever reason. Even if we do get to some real good stuff in an episode or 2, that still means we had to wait over 1/2 of an anime series to get to that which is inexcusable. EDIT: That opening seems to be hinting that we will get some good stuff at some point if that's not just stylzed shit that won't happen in the actual anime. I saw them fighting a mecha looking thing too, that looks cool |
midnightbladeJul 10, 2014 10:10 PM
Jul 11, 2014 3:24 AM
#199
The incest was strong with the new OP and ED emegerd. They're nice, but I like the first OP more. The upbeat tune of Rising Hope gives me some 'yeah yeah alright oh yeah' vibes XD It's funny that even after 14 episodes, every time they suddenly explain a spell or something I'll go "Wait wait wait wait stahp i don't understand" /replays scene The feels when Shizuku lost. Miyuki's too powerful, I know. /pats As much as everyone says "It's finally Tatsuya's time to own the spotlight" or anything along those lines, I'm excited to see Mikihiko in the front lines. That guy has some self-esteem issues. (To be honest I think he's my favorite character here and I don't know why. Relatable, maybe?) Of course there's also Leon, too. Nevertheless, I'm looking forward to the Monolith Code contest against Suzaku er, Masaki and George. This battle will be tough. The last few pages are all talking about a Yokohama Arc or something. . . Ugh, makes me want to read the LNs. |
Otamegane0988Jul 11, 2014 3:28 AM
Jul 11, 2014 4:30 PM
#200
Not a bad episode, looks like we will be seeing some badassery coming soon. |
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