JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders Episode 2 Discussion

judals said:
I'm asking for an explanation within the context of the story itself. Which I get that they are using stands now but not why Ripples suddenly stopped existing.

Orzi said:


Because ripples are really effective only against vampires and pillar men, and except Dio those species doesn't exist anymore :P . Using them against the peoplewould be like using slingshot, when there are machine guns already.

crystalangel23 said:
I find it funny that a lot people watching aren't used to seeing stands. You guys should really read the manga.

Orzi said:


Because ripples are really effective only against vampires and pillar men, and except Dio those species doesn't exist anymore :P . Using them against the peoplewould be like using slingshot, when there are machine guns already.

judals said:
By the way... will the characters fight themselves or will it be all stands?

judals said:
Whether they are useful or not isn't very relevant. Ak-47s are no good against tanks but they don't just disappear when rockets and bazookas are produced.

As for which one I like more personally, it's ripples so far.. because the idea itself was so restrictive and limited yet we've seen it juiced out and it had so many creative ideas in part 2. Many writers introduce limitless worlds and don't even come up with stuff as good as his...

By the way... will the characters fight themselves or will it be all stands?

Orzi said:


Yeah, AK-47 are produced still, but I don't think is a good idea to charge with good old Kalashnikov in hand against battalion of tanks. And in P3 every enemy has a Panzer.

Personally I like stands more than ripple. Hamon was just another shining power that boost up your attack, concept that we seen multiple times. Stands however are limited only by imagination of author, as the story progresses we will see some crazy powers (and designs). Another thing is that their fights relies more on quick thinking of characters than power levels. Even the weakest stand can defeat the strongest if user know how to use it. Do you like Joseph's trickery? You got even more of it with stands.

GuusWayne said:
Ain't nobody fucking with GER.

judals said:
Whether they are useful or not isn't very relevant. Ak-47s are no good against tanks but they don't just disappear when rockets and bazookas are produced.

kaimax said:


But Hamon is a martial art not a "thing". You cannot just make" Hamon" in the factory.

The current masters are very few (After part 2, it's only Joseph, Lisa Lisa and Messina). Yes they can teach but let's not forget that there's only 1 in 10.000 that can master it.
Also Their mortal enemy is gone and not threat anymore, so why bother trying to search for people to continue on a martial art where it has already done it's purpose.

So, it's already hard enough to learn Hamon, but it's even harder to find one that can potentially master and still willing to learn knowing that it doesn't have any purpose other than being a strong martial art.

gyro785 said:
I basically agree with you 100%. However-as much as I like SC- it`s sad to see ripple go down in obscurity in the Jojo world. Imagine the 1000 year tradition and how hard each successive generation of ripple master ( and students) worked hard. Some have probably died in the process of learning the ripple.

Fadeout4 said:


Yeah, but the purpose of the Ripple being passed down all those years was to allow the descendants of the Ripple clan to battle and defeat the Pillar Men. Now that the Pillar Men are gone, there's no real point in passing down the Ripple. In fact, I'd even say that it's a HAPPY thing that they no longer need to pass it down, since the threat of the Pillar Men is no more.

Norilla said:
ORAORAORAORAORA ORA!

CookieBun said:
Really missing younger Joseph at the moment....

The "alpha male" air of this JoJo so far is kind of grating, to be perfectly honest. I'll give you that Jotaro's concern for his mom at the end gives me hope for me liking him, but it's kind of hard so far. I like Holly, her silliness and all, but I hate that the schoolgirls are all vapid jabbermouths. I'll try to take it in a positive way being that every character have over the top personalities, which means dumb silly side characters, but I can't say the same for the nurse. Was it really necessary to deal with her in such a suggestive way...?


That was fun. Looking forward to more. Although I'm sad that they apparently drop the Ripples Techniques from now on.

sjack said:


Again, this was from an era where portrayal of women in shounen manga wasn't that great (even compared by today's standards). It was sadly the norm of the day.

Grunbeld said:


Whether they are useful or not isn't very relevant. Ak-47s are no good against tanks but they don't just disappear when rockets and bazookas are produced.

As for which one I like more personally, it's ripples so far.. because the idea itself was so restrictive and limited yet we've seen it juiced out and it had so many creative ideas in part 2. Many writers introduce limitless worlds and don't even come up with stuff as good as his...

By the way... will the characters fight themselves or will it be all stands?

Monad said:
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Also if this stands are so powerful that a ripple user is useless then that kind of makes those ultimate ancient vampires like Cars that supposedly became the ultimate being as silly. Yes those vampires created the masks. They were suppose to be superior to vampires like Dio, and their leader even manage to become stronger than by becoming the ultimate being but he couldn't use a Stand?
How does that go? Sorry but the mangaka threw some horrible transition of how this Stands came to be.

SanderRX said:

Any living being can potentially awaken a Stand. Even a plant can have one. Basically anything with a soul. No reason to believe a perfect being couldn't have awoken one if given a chance.

Ripple is not of any use against stands because it was always of little use against anything that's not a vampire or a pillar man in terms of direct damage. It was designed to counteract stone masked related entities and a Ripple 100 times more powerful than Joseph's was needed to deal the same kind of injury to a human being as a normal Ripple would do to a vampiric being.

Araki got rid of Ripple because it kinda topped out at shit like "look I make sharp bubbles", he could do way way more with personal battling poltergeists that can have any power he can think with any ruleset and mechanic that he can think of. Stands are only ever limited by the author's imagination.

Monad said:


Sharp bubbles my ass. Joseph stop bullets with a bunch of hair with ripple on them and he could make a bodle of coke as dangerous as any gun because of the ripple.
Zebelin was walking on water etc.Also Joseph used the ripple on humans and i worked fine(remember in the first plane he crashed?).
The ripple had many ways to be used so sorry i don't accept all this "it's useless" bullshit.

Besides Dio is a vampire is he not?

Stands may allow the author limitless choices but they also seem like a cheap way to make his life easier instead of having to think even smartest ways of making the ripple work. Basically he just threw something that is easy instead of having to think and deliver smart writing.
But the problem isn't that he just threw them out of nowhere, the problem is that he threw the ripple away along with that(as i said above it is still a great power) like it never was and the facts that creatures like Cars had no Stand make them seem like nothing but an asspull for the authors convenience instead of something that was always thought and real part of that world.

Monad said:


Sharp bubbles my ass. Joseph stop bullets with a bunch of hair with ripple on them and he could make a bodle of coke as dangerous as any gun because of the ripple.
Zebelin was walking on water etc.Also Joseph used the ripple on humans and i worked fine(remember in the first plane he crashed?).
The ripple had many ways to be used so sorry i don't accept all this "it's useless" bullshit.

Besides Dio is a vampire is he not?

Stands may allow the author limitless choices but they also seem like a cheap way to make his life easier instead of having to think even smartest ways of making the ripple work. Basically he just threw something that is easy instead of having to think and deliver smart writing.
But the problem isn't that he just threw them out of nowhere, the problem is that he threw the ripple away along with that(as i said above it is still a great power) like it never was and the facts that creatures like Cars had no Stand make them seem like nothing but an asspull for the authors convenience instead of something that was always thought and real part of that world.

SanderRX said:

Making barriers out of hair and launching bottlecaps is about the same on the creativity scale as making sharp bubbles.

When I said that Hamon can't deal direct damage I meant melting flesh, which is it's direct combat application.

I find your notion of Araki using Stands as an easy way out mistaken, because that freedom has pushed him to create some seriously unothodox shit (not just powers but also scenarios. Some of them in future parts can't even be classified as straight up fights) wayyyy beyond what he's done with the Ripple. I struggle to think of anything that Ripple can do that Stands can't do, at times in several completely different ways... other than melting the undead I guess.

Stands have been a staple of the series for the majority of it's run and have become one of it's defining features... all for a very good reason. I guess I can see how one could find them jarring early on, but the concept really develops into something wonderful.

fedaykin said:
I'm a bit disappointed with Stands giving the generic random shounen abilities and Japanese high school. This feels like a bit of a cash-in on the previous masterpiece level show, but at least Dio is back.

fedaykin said:
I'm a bit disappointed with Stands giving the generic random shounen abilities and Japanese high school. This feels like a bit of a cash-in on the previous masterpiece level show, but at least Dio is back.