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Apr 19, 2013 5:32 AM
#101
Liked the episode ,But what really caught my attention was how Keita was missing from the ED :O Thats just so ... Depressing but Awesome ,I wonder if the main character's facial expressions will change throughout the series as well in the Ending, Eg. Like how the Main character is waving at Daichi and if Daichi died what would he do then :O |
Apr 19, 2013 5:33 AM
#102
exLightning said: Liked the episode ,But what really caught my attention was how Keita was missing from the ED :O This. This is what I noticed too. I never played DS2 so it makes me wonder if every character is going to die or something. |
Apr 19, 2013 5:36 AM
#103
It's really good episode. But I fucking hate they killed Keita. I don't like it since everyone has many portion of dialogue and scenario in game. Yes, I'm pretty mad. |
Apr 19, 2013 6:21 AM
#104
A good episode, half run as expected, just do not expect a character introduced was killed in the same episode, until he liked the way the tsundere Keita. The biggest disappointment was again the Daichi l: do not remember him being such a coward in the game actually was very brave, and his demons and Io were not so useless, I do not like this role all by the Hibiki even if he is a cool character and all, I want to see more scenes of destruction, which will become more apparent from now on. |
Apr 19, 2013 6:57 AM
#105
Dropped! Which is a pity, since I liked the game. Might repick this if it suddenly became great. |
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Apr 19, 2013 8:14 AM
#106
I'm not so fan yet, and don't know anything about the game(s) (didn't even heard the name before) but it's not bad. Keita summoning are pretty strange, andsadly mine cannot do it... because not yet the end of Tokyo/Japan? I hate the "new girl I don't know the name" ecchi clothes but not worse than a lot of other series and Daichi blush for Hibiki so... ^o^ ernst said: Dropped! Which is a pity, since I liked the game. Might repick this if it suddenly became great. How will you know? Reading/listening SOMEONE ELSE opinion about it? |
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Apr 19, 2013 8:54 AM
#107
Apr 19, 2013 9:03 AM
#108
Frost190 said: Seeing Hibiki's personality, it's unlikely that the anime would follow Yamato's way of meritocracy. Only 13 episodes, huh...I feel it's kind of a waste with many great characters. They could have develop it much better. I know that there are some anime that would be better ended fast, but I think DS2 should have more episodes at least 26 or 22. I wonder who will die next... Who knows. As someone before said, Anime-Hibiki is conscious that people are not equal and that there are some priorities. He didn't like it at the beginning but he quickly became ""okay"" with it and logical. It's because the opponent can reflect Elec skills,Byakko's ziodyne is pretty much useless against him. the best thing is that they are applying this for pretty much every fight for now. Well, and Botis is supposed to be HORRIBLY annoying and strong to begin with (Ziodyne, anyone?). I'm happy that they kept its "worst boss ever" aspect from the game. Now if you'll excuse me, I gotta run away from this thread since it seems to be overflowing with spoilers. Just make a frackin "well in a game they XYZ" thread and throw thousands of spoilers there. Getting here to comment on an episode and seeing 90% of comments are not about the episode, but about the future events in a game is fucking annoying. most spoilers are marked. If you don't open what you are NOT supposed to open, it should be okay. The concept seemed cool at first but I'm just meh at everything now. Lost that horror factor the show had in the first ep with the introduction of Nicaea. What the f. The show pretty much turned Game of Thone-style, "Anything can happen, anyone can die,even knowing the future doesn't protect you". If anything, the horror factor is a lot higher than in ep1. I don't even get where the horror part was supposed to be in the first episode since Byakko pretty much one-shot Dubhe. I've never got to play a lot Devil Survivor 2 on my Nintendo DS, so from this point the plot is new to me I wasn't expecting Keita to die. We didn't neither. The goal of the game is that you'e supposed to save everyone. So even VG-players didn't think that they were going to kill him. That's why it was even more shocking for players. You are supposed to save him in the game. The biggest disappointment was again the Daichi l: do not remember him being such a coward in the game actually was very brave, and his demons and Io were not so useless, I do not like this role all by the Hibiki even if he is a cool character and all, I want to see more scenes of destruction, which will become more apparent from now on. He was. His FATE route is all about him becoming more reliable. That's also probably why he is so pitiful right now; so that his Character Development will be more obvious. And (HEAVY SPOILER FROM THE GAME, WARNING) that's the point. Seeing him going from what he is now in the anime to the ONLY one who will basically say an huge "SHUT UP" to BOTH Yamato and Ronaldo in his awesome scene. I'm pretty sure he is pitiful right now in order to accentuate this part. I hate the "new girl I don't know the name" ecchi clothes but not worse than a lot of other series and Daichi blush for Hibiki so... ^o^ It's Hinako. And yeah, I laughed too at Daichi blushing, hard. Especially because the game has some Yaoi-like answers for fun to begin with. |
willardhwrightApr 19, 2013 9:07 AM
Apr 19, 2013 9:07 AM
#109
Haven't played the game and I think this episode is quite fine. Pacing is good and it is building up to apparently some awesome actions in the next episode. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Apr 19, 2013 9:21 AM
#110
This would have been such a great adaptation if they follow the sequence of the game and didn't kill people off just after introducing them!!! It's easier to adapt compared to Persona 4. There goes my excitement down the drain. I don't really like to complain like this and Keita was someone i didn't like but still how they introduced and killed him off in 1 episode just feels wrong on so many ways. And they changed the ending to prove it as well. So Nitta, Jungo, Joe, Makoto has to chance to killed off. I guess this will be 13 episodes then...................Persona 4 was a much better adaptation no matter what haters say. Well other than that, we got to see Berserker, Gozuki, Mezuki, Lilim and Botis animated. Well it was fun to see them and the action was nice but the ending ruined it for me. |
Apr 19, 2013 9:35 AM
#111
Dragon_Slayer_X said: This would have been such a great adaptation if they follow the sequence of the game and didn't kill people off just after introducing them!!! It's easier to adapt compared to Persona 4. There goes my excitement down the drain. I don't really like to complain like this and Keita was someone i didn't like but still how they introduced and killed him off in 1 episode just feels wrong on so many ways. And they changed the ending to prove it as well. So Nitta, Jungo, Joe, Makoto has to chance to killed off. I guess this will be 13 episodes then...................Persona 4 was a much better adaptation no matter what haters say. Well other than that, we got to see Berserker, Gozuki, Mezuki, Lilim and Botis animated. Well it was fun to see them and the action was nice but the ending ruined it for me. Well, they FOLLOW the sequence of the game. Keita also die just after you meet him for the first time. You don't even have the time to "befriend" him. In fact, I think that he may even have more screen time in the anime than in the game if he dies. Also, 13 eps still doesn't work if you take 3 episode for the day that is supposed to be the shorter and the day that have the least background/explanations. And saying that P4 was better before the end of the anime, or at least before it is far enough, is just plain stupid. It's still too early to judge, in both ways. It reminds me of some people who judge the quality of an anime with 1/2 eps. It is NOT a smart thing to do. We will see. I liked the P4 anime, but comparing two things when one is still at its very beginning is meaningless. |
Apr 19, 2013 9:49 AM
#112
Well quite shock about keita death... I thought they let him alive since on my game I fail to save him :( I just sad for Hinako, since she is the only one crying.. (I know your feeling hinako, you're not alone).. but still gonna watch until the end :).... |
Apr 19, 2013 9:53 AM
#113
And there goes the tsundere dude ... To be honest, this is kinda boring ... meh =| |
Apr 19, 2013 10:06 AM
#114
why is keita's death turn you people crazy? comedy note, the director finally make all of you move according to plan: making thios anime a big news :P nah, just kidding killing keita, at least for me, is a good choice. Is it only me who look at keita's death again and again? somehow i like the scene, but not because i like to see character i hate dies. In fact i like casts in the game and i can't see further story given to keita if he's kept alive to be honest. i have a speculation regarding the ending: the anime won't follow any of those path. In fact, the animator will make hibiki as the last one standing at the final day, facing the final test by Anguised One, the "What is Justice? What is Evil?" thing, and of course i'm hoping for some character developments. Daichi's still the one suggesting to rewind back time but no attack from Septentriones, but he dies in 7th day or whatsover with Hibiki inheriting Daichi's wish. Then it will happen like Daichi's true ending with all of them being alive again and a better future. |
Apr 19, 2013 10:06 AM
#115
I can see the ending already, 憂う者 route, a.k.a solo route,, |
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Apr 19, 2013 11:21 AM
#116
Best characters always get killed first, fuck, they even removed him from the ED. ;_; |
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Apr 19, 2013 11:33 AM
#117
xAyaChanx said: I didn't really like the fact that they introduced Keita and killed him off in the same episode. This. But only because I was sort of looking forward to more of his tsun and now we won't get to see his arguments dynamics with some characters at all. I was so relieved when they saved him as I thought they cleared the death like in game but nope.jpg ... didn't expect him to die that way. It reminded me of the guilt when he died on my first playthrough. If they continue killing off characters like this I suppose we will cross out all routes soon. |
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Apr 19, 2013 4:13 PM
#118
Apr 19, 2013 4:53 PM
#119
Is it just me or does it seem like even the guys fall for our main lead? did I really see that right? I mean I understand the female but why does the male blush around him too...? |
Apr 19, 2013 5:45 PM
#120
deave112 said: Is it just me or does it seem like even the guys fall for our main lead? did I really see that right? I mean I understand the female but why does the male blush around him too...? Hahaha oh boy if you thought that Daichi scene was some sort of subtext, wait till Yamato and maybe Alcor gets more interaction time with protag. Did you not see the love triangle op? Keita was standard tsundere though. He wasn't necessarily blushing because of Hibiki, he's just embarrassed to be seen as 'soft'. |
minescopeApr 19, 2013 5:50 PM
Apr 19, 2013 5:49 PM
#121
minescope said: deave112 said: Is it just me or does it seem like even the guys fall for our main lead? did I really see that right? I mean I understand the female but why does the male blush around him too...? Hahaha oh boy if you thought Daichi was bad, stay tuned for more thanks to Yamato and maybe Alcor. Did you not see the love triangle op? Keita was standard tsundere though. He wasn't necessarily blushing because of Hibiki, he's just embarrassed to be seen as 'soft'. What happens between him and Yamato (and Alcor?)?! |
Apr 19, 2013 5:56 PM
#122
deave112 said: What happens between him and Yamato (and Alcor?)?! Yamato considers protag to be iirc his equal and only true friend. Certainly you can make a case for him having no social skills but some of his dialogue comes off as flirting and having a severe crush on protag. Either way, the subtext is there and anybody that played the game knows that Yamato is fond of Hibiki. Same with Alcor although it's really mostly alien friendship. |
Apr 19, 2013 6:03 PM
#123
This is getting boring. The game is quite entertaining, though. |
Apr 19, 2013 6:09 PM
#124
minescope said: deave112 said: What happens between him and Yamato (and Alcor?)?! Yamato considers protag to be iirc his equal and only true friend. Certainly you can make a case for him having no social skills but some of his dialogue comes off as flirting and having a severe crush on protag. Either way, the subtext is there and anybody that played the game knows that Yamato is fond of Hibiki. Same with Alcor although it's really mostly alien friendship. Could you give an example of this "flirting" :D |
Apr 19, 2013 7:21 PM
#125
wtf, and here i was hoping Keita wouldnt die here since he died on me on the game xD oh well, c'est la vie |
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Apr 19, 2013 7:58 PM
#126
deave112 said: Could you give an example of this "flirting" :D It's been a long time so I can't remember things accurately. To name a few: > "Yamato looks at you teasingly" (that's exactly what's written, not implied) > "That's my 'MC'" when you choose the 'intelligent' dialogue choice. Yamato: Heh... So? Are you concerned about my well-being? (answer: Tell me the plan) Yamato: Hahaha! I see. So that's what worries you. That's a little disappointing. And the infamous: "Just as I yearned for you, now you are yearning for me" TL;DR: The only person he's nice to is the hero and he's really...uh...open about it. |
Apr 19, 2013 8:21 PM
#127
minescope said: deave112 said: What happens between him and Yamato (and Alcor?)?! Yamato considers protag to be iirc his equal and only true friend. Certainly you can make a case for him having no social skills but some of his dialogue comes off as flirting and having a severe crush on protag. Either way, the subtext is there and anybody that played the game knows that Yamato is fond of Hibiki. minescope said: deave112 said: Could you give an example of this "flirting" :D It's been a long time so I can't remember things accurately. To name a few: > "Yamato looks at you teasingly" (that's exactly what's written, not implied) > "That's my 'MC'" when you choose the 'intelligent' dialogue choice. Yamato: Heh... So? Are you concerned about my well-being? (answer: Tell me the plan) Yamato: Hahaha! I see. So that's what worries you. That's a little disappointing. And the infamous: "Just as I yearned for you, now you are yearning for me" TL;DR: The only person he's nice to is the hero and he's really...uh...open about it. I played the game through Yamato's route and i never thought anything gay -.- , he was just glad to find someone strong that agrees with him But well im the kind of guy that doesn't notice the supposed "yaoi subtext" sometimes |
Apr 19, 2013 8:37 PM
#128
Vanisher said: he was just glad to find someone strong that agrees with him But well im the kind of guy that doesn't notice the supposed "yaoi subtext" sometimes True. His lack of social skills due to his upbringing and efficient way of doing things are also to blame for his behavior and the intentional or unintentional subtext in his dialogue. It could really be him being glad to find somebody that can understand him. I'm mostly just interpreting it in a romantic way because this is Atlus and after the stunt they pulled in persona 2, I'm not gonna be surprised if Yamato does indeed have a mancrush on the protag. |
Apr 19, 2013 9:15 PM
#129
This episode...really, made me sad. I was starting to love keita. Why did he have to go? @_@ Whats worse, he's missing from the ending...I died a little on the inside. I guess devil survivor meant it when they said 'Survive'...>_< |
Apr 19, 2013 10:48 PM
#130
Keita saved Hibiki then he died, what a heroic sacrifice! |
Apr 19, 2013 11:58 PM
#131
This show is getting so predictable and boring, I don't see how anyone like its. It's not surprising the rating on mal has gotten lower and lower as new episodes have come out. |
Apr 20, 2013 12:02 AM
#132
Zythie said: So you predicted introduction of 2 new characters and one would die in the same episode?? Amazing! Could you tell us what will happen in the next episode then please, if it is so predictable?This show is getting so predictable and boring, I don't see how anyone like its. |
So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
Apr 20, 2013 12:20 AM
#133
willardhwright said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: This would have been such a great adaptation if they follow the sequence of the game and didn't kill people off just after introducing them!!! It's easier to adapt compared to Persona 4. There goes my excitement down the drain. I don't really like to complain like this and Keita was someone i didn't like but still how they introduced and killed him off in 1 episode just feels wrong on so many ways. And they changed the ending to prove it as well. So Nitta, Jungo, Joe, Makoto has to chance to killed off. I guess this will be 13 episodes then...................Persona 4 was a much better adaptation no matter what haters say. Well other than that, we got to see Berserker, Gozuki, Mezuki, Lilim and Botis animated. Well it was fun to see them and the action was nice but the ending ruined it for me. Well, they FOLLOW the sequence of the game. Keita also die just after you meet him for the first time. You don't even have the time to "befriend" him. In fact, I think that he may even have more screen time in the anime than in the game if he dies. Also, 13 eps still doesn't work if you take 3 episode for the day that is supposed to be the shorter and the day that have the least background/explanations. And saying that P4 was better before the end of the anime, or at least before it is far enough, is just plain stupid. It's still too early to judge, in both ways. It reminds me of some people who judge the quality of an anime with 1/2 eps. It is NOT a smart thing to do. We will see. I liked the P4 anime, but comparing two things when one is still at its very beginning is meaningless. Buddy calling a anime bad, predictable, annoying, worst of the season......etc etc after 1/2 episodes isn't my style. You won't really see me complaining like that. But i can't really hide my disappointment for this one. Also P4A was a rather good and faithful adaptation compared to DS2. I am saying that this one was easier to adapt but they are ruining it as it stands now. (The train accident scene and late introduction of Joe are some major problems in my opinion but i can live with that. But the overpowering Byakko is also another thing to be question but i guess it was to make Hibiki special so we can leave it at that.) It's my opinion anyways but i don't think DS2 fans will like it that much. Yeah 13 episodes don't work if it's 2 episodes for each day. But who knows, the way it stands they will just rush it and end it somehow. I am personally hoping for 2 course. As it was one my favorite games, i really don't like the way they are doing it and it deserves better. Btw you should say that to the real haters not me because i will still watch it but if they kill off good characters without any development at all, we all know where this will be going. Well let's hope that we get some good actions in the fight with Merak. |
Apr 20, 2013 12:31 AM
#134
Zythie said: This show is getting so predictable and boring, I don't see how anyone like its. It's not surprising the rating on mal has gotten lower and lower as new episodes have come out. Ha Ha i am disappointed with the adaptation as a game fan but isn't all this This anime is predictable and boring blah blah blah blah....... bs getting boring by now? So you guys can predict everything in every new anime? Can you answer a few questions? What is the name of the next boss that was shown this episode? Is Hibiki going to summon a new demon or just use Byakkko? Is anyone else gonna die or not? How and where is the battle going to take place? This adaptation has become unpredictable even for the gamers and you can predict everything don't you? What a fag and they come in all threads in so many different ways. |
Apr 20, 2013 1:08 AM
#135
Pretty good episode, only thing that bothered me was that Dr. Kanno was still able to send an error code or whatever she did even though Daichi was able to break the hacking connecting by smashing stuff, if she could still send the code she would still be able to hack right? |
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Apr 20, 2013 1:20 AM
#136
Apr 20, 2013 2:33 AM
#137
Goodbye Keita, I guess. Oh well atleast Hinako is still alive. |
Apr 20, 2013 3:38 AM
#138
Nice episode. Rest in peace Keita, they have even removed him from the ED. |
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Apr 20, 2013 3:42 AM
#139
Guess I will get the game, I wonder which one I should try 1st the Devil survivor 1 or the Devil survivor 2. About Keita, I hate the annoying brat, but kill him off in just 1 ep is kinda rush.... |
Apr 20, 2013 11:34 AM
#140
Apr 20, 2013 4:09 PM
#141
Apr 20, 2013 5:24 PM
#142
heard it's 12 episodes...not too much time to get better |
Apr 20, 2013 7:11 PM
#143
Apr 20, 2013 7:36 PM
#144
I'm trying to like this anime, but it really seems meh so far. (Yes even though they killed someone off.) I'll continue watching for a little longer hoping it gets better. |
Apr 20, 2013 7:58 PM
#145
Dragon_Slayer_X said: willardhwright said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: This would have been such a great adaptation if they follow the sequence of the game and didn't kill people off just after introducing them!!! It's easier to adapt compared to Persona 4. There goes my excitement down the drain. I don't really like to complain like this and Keita was someone i didn't like but still how they introduced and killed him off in 1 episode just feels wrong on so many ways. And they changed the ending to prove it as well. So Nitta, Jungo, Joe, Makoto has to chance to killed off. I guess this will be 13 episodes then...................Persona 4 was a much better adaptation no matter what haters say. Well other than that, we got to see Berserker, Gozuki, Mezuki, Lilim and Botis animated. Well it was fun to see them and the action was nice but the ending ruined it for me. Well, they FOLLOW the sequence of the game. Keita also die just after you meet him for the first time. You don't even have the time to "befriend" him. In fact, I think that he may even have more screen time in the anime than in the game if he dies. Also, 13 eps still doesn't work if you take 3 episode for the day that is supposed to be the shorter and the day that have the least background/explanations. And saying that P4 was better before the end of the anime, or at least before it is far enough, is just plain stupid. It's still too early to judge, in both ways. It reminds me of some people who judge the quality of an anime with 1/2 eps. It is NOT a smart thing to do. We will see. I liked the P4 anime, but comparing two things when one is still at its very beginning is meaningless. Buddy calling a anime bad, predictable, annoying, worst of the season......etc etc after 1/2 episodes isn't my style. You won't really see me complaining like that. But i can't really hide my disappointment for this one. Also P4A was a rather good and faithful adaptation compared to DS2. I am saying that this one was easier to adapt but they are ruining it as it stands now. (The train accident scene and late introduction of Joe are some major problems in my opinion but i can live with that. But the overpowering Byakko is also another thing to be question but i guess it was to make Hibiki special so we can leave it at that.) It's my opinion anyways but i don't think DS2 fans will like it that much. Yeah 13 episodes don't work if it's 2 episodes for each day. But who knows, the way it stands they will just rush it and end it somehow. I am personally hoping for 2 course. As it was one my favorite games, i really don't like the way they are doing it and it deserves better. Btw you should say that to the real haters not me because i will still watch it but if they kill off good characters without any development at all, we all know where this will be going. Well let's hope that we get some good actions in the fight with Merak. Uh? What? I did almost all of the routes of the game and it IS faithful for now (then again, VERY LITTLE happened but they even kept Botis and Fumi), except for Joe (useless anecdote for curious people: they are probably following what DS2 was supposed to be at the beginning of its development, since Joe was only made more important afterward; you can see it on promotional material and pictures, he wasn't a main "main characters" at the beginning and only became one later during the dev.). It may be annoying because Joe is a good character (if it wasn't for Ronaldo's route. Ngh.), but that's a detail, if anything, at least the main plot is exactly the same. Anyway, saying that it is not faithful because of this sounds a bit "too much" for me, with this logic P4 is the worst adaptation ever made [just in case, it isn't for me, I liked it. Which is also why I have high hopes for DS2; they have the same director.]. (and I pretty much ignore the ""real"" haters and people who create many accounts just in order to hate and troll, because they are not even worth replying to and I doubt that most of them even really watched the episode anyway. I may not be okay with you, but you're still better than most of them. Like the one you replied to. I would like them to say WHAT exactly is predictable. And not something that would be true in ANY shonen, because that's not being predictable, that's just having plot devices needed in order to create an interesting story; which is also why I think the complains about the "hollywood hack" are stupid; 1/ We're talking about an alien technology created by a god here 2/IRL-hacking is F*CKING SLOW AND BORING. I don't want this in an already short anime. Thanks. Then again as you said, this episode even suprised a lot of gamers, and even us have no idea of how the anime will end; just not with Ronaldo's end given the opening, and that's it. That's why I think that this guy doesn't even care/seriously watched it/understood 1/2 of what you said, he's probably just trolling the most popular animes of this season, like always on internet/MAL. People are stupid - -. ) The train accident isn't that much of a problem for me, except for one thing, that is linked to what I'll say afterward. The biggest problem is the fact that the anime is pretty much only pokemon with demons, which looks stupid, when people are also supposed to be able to fight, even better than in DS1 since they don't need an harmonizer for them to touch demons. Keita was good about this because at the very least he was more "active", so his fights looked less ridiculous. That's the biggest downpoint I can see for now (and also why I like "story parts" more than action ones) Also, about Keita and what will follow (game spoilers, anime watchers.) that's the problem, but it was also here in the game; it's a game centered on DESPAIR and on the fact that everyone will die if you don't save them. That's like criticizing the very basis of the game. Keita DOES have a chance to die immediatly after you meet him if you don't save him. So if he dies immediatly in your playthrough, it's over, no development for him, too. Just going for a "non-perfect" end where everyone doesn't survivre doesn't make it a bad adaptation IMO; or it's that DS2 was a bad game to begin with, since you will also miss a lot of cutscenes if you don't save everyone. And since it's one of my favorite games, I don't really think so. It shouldn't be a problem for Makoto and most of the others since there is a while between their introduction and their death, except maybe for Joe and Jungo, and that's a BIG maybe since we don't even know if they will kill them to begin with, and when they will be introduced. Most characters die quite late in-game or quite a while after the character is introduced, like Makoto again (yeah, her death traumatized me), Ronaldo or Io. The game is about people dying, so they don't have a lot of choices: either Keita survive, and pretty much everyone else too, in order to have the "social link" elements later, or they focus on the "cruel world - despair - anyone can die" part (which is the core of the devil survivor/SMT saga) and on the MAIN plot, using FATE parts sometimes here and there as a bonus. I'm okay with Keita dying right now, because it means that they will not make him survive and completely invent a new death scene for him later just in order to have some development, when he wasn't a ""main"" character to begin with. It's also like in Madoka; it shows quite early that no, the anime isn't your average Naruto where a very few characters die, and VERY late in-story. Nope, here death is omnipresent, and one wrong step and it'll catch you. I think that it shows the "spirit" of the anime quite well. If they want to stay faithful to the game, it may create some problems regarding screen time, but it's still more important than taking too much liberties IMO. Or making the adaptation like P4, where everyone survive without a scratch and life is beautiful, when the whole DS serie is supposed to be darker than the persona one to begin with. It isn't fair for Keita, he is put on a bus, well, life isn't fair sometimes. Guess I will get the game, I wonder which one I should try 1st the Devil survivor 1 or the Devil survivor 2. I like the 2 better but the one is also excellent and have some pretty awesome characters (ngh, Naoya.). The 2 is easier though. And I know quite a lot of people that stopped the whole serie because they started with the 1st and were not able to finish the first missions after hours. Apparently, even if I don't get it, for most people, SMT games are quite hard so beginning with the easier one would be a good idea. |
willardhwrightApr 20, 2013 8:33 PM
Apr 20, 2013 9:33 PM
#146
The rating for this show is so high, I don't understand why. Although I watched this episode 2 days ago, I don't even remember anyone or anything. Feels too dull and hopefully gets better.. within the few remaining episodes that it has.. |
Apr 20, 2013 9:50 PM
#147
@willardhwright Glad to see you liked persona 4 as well. I finishd 2 routes (Daichi's first ending and AO and have some about how the others play out). I never said the main story isn't the same but the problem is the sequence. The first fight was way too easy whereas it was a life and death situation. Also if you have time, u can read the manga for DS1. Rather than making the MC overpowered they actually showed some nice developments. But Hibiki is overpowered from the beginning (well Byakko matches his colour so they put some thought into it). Also Keita's death, they showed a good side of him only to kill him off. Despite not liking him, i think it's unfair. Also i am worried about Nitta's development. Gotta wait till the 3rd day begins. Also just so there is no misunderstanding, i don't hate it but i am dissapointed with it because of how the events are playing out for now. It could get better later so who knows!!! |
Apr 21, 2013 2:53 AM
#148
Dragon_Slayer_X said: @willardhwright Glad to see you liked persona 4 as well. I finishd 2 routes (Daichi's first ending and AO and have some about how the others play out). I never said the main story isn't the same but the problem is the sequence. The first fight was way too easy whereas it was a life and death situation. Also if you have time, u can read the manga for DS1. Rather than making the MC overpowered they actually showed some nice developments. But Hibiki is overpowered from the beginning (well Byakko matches his colour so they put some thought into it). Also Keita's death, they showed a good side of him only to kill him off. Despite not liking him, i think it's unfair. Also i am worried about Nitta's development. Gotta wait till the 3rd day begins. Also just so there is no misunderstanding, i don't hate it but i am dissapointed with it because of how the events are playing out for now. It could get better later so who knows!!! Well, I think that we kind of agree then. Keita's death was kind of ""funny"", because he, indeed, was a lot better than in the game. In the game, I pretty much wanted to slap him every time he opened his mouth. Anime!Keita was a lot better and less annoying, I almost liked him (despite his voice not fitting him at all, hmpf) so it would have been funny to see how he could have evolved later, yeah. Too bad. Not an horrible waste, but too bad. I personally did (game spoilers, folks) every ending except Daichi's true one, which I'll probably do one day, and the egalitarian one, which isn't attractive at all for me. I also kind of have a grudge against Ronaldo for trying to kill Makoto, among other things. the fact that he's the closest thing to a villain in the anime for now made me laugh quite hard. Yeah, P4 was good IMO, a bit "strange" sometimes if you did the game but that's normal, changing the medium implies that you have to change some parts, otherwise it would not work. It's also hard to take some battles seriously after Hiimdaisy's (awesome) comic. Disco ninja frog and Dominatrix bananahead, anyone? My main problem about the first fight wasn't really about Hibiki being overpowered but more about what was aside. In the game, Dubhe was invincible until Daichi's sacrifice, period, overpowered demon or not. Daichi and his truck was also quite cheesy, lacking the "power" it had in the game, where Daichi was a lot more impressive. Also, being saved by a pixie il a lot less funny that what happened in the game (and it lacked the MC being here "DAICHI IS DEAD...! Well, that's fine, let's move on." That part was just hilarious.). Yeah okay, this way Io was useful at least, but still. It didn't seem like a life or death situation, to begin with. You almost wonder WHY they were fighting him, when in the original you were forced to in order to escape. Given the preview, Merak will apparently be longer, and therefore, harder, in the next ep, at least -- Luckily, the next fights were better, so I just hope that they will continue like that later. About Byakko, I think it's more of a yin/yang theme with Yamato's dragon theme. Given how Atlus LOVES symbolism, I don't see them chosing Byakko without a reason. It does fit quite well with Hibiki being JP's main "warrior" and Yamato being more passive, using the knowledge his family has, manipulating everything behind the scenes. It also hints at a conflict between them later,and therefore makes Yamato's ending impossible, even if I don't like the idea AT. ALL. Yeah, I want to read it since a while but I cannot find the time to -- I hope that Hibiki will have a VERY hard time later. It'll be a good way to introduce demoniac fusion and the auction, which should happen since they already started with Daichi. Well, Io should be fine, they'll probably use her learning about her parent's death for her development later. But anyway she HAS TO survivre until Lugh, so she'll not die before quite a while. . |
willardhwrightApr 21, 2013 3:07 AM
Apr 21, 2013 5:51 AM
#149
This episode positively suprised me. Although I'm still annoyed by Hibiki pretending he has a special power and him having Baihu, this episode gave me a little hope. I was actually hoping for Keita's Dead Face to come true, just for the animation team to show that they have the guts needed to make this a mediocre adaption instead of a bad one. Characters being able to die at certain points is part of the game, and I really didn't expect the anime to have the guts to do the same but it proved me wrong and I'm happy it did. The pace this episode was also pretty good, especially with episode 4 being another 2nd day episode. Now I'm just hoping they continue with this pace without trying to finish it up in 13 episodes. Even a completely open ending would be just fine if this pace is kept IMO. Even without a sequel, the ending isn't adaptable anyway and you should just play the game to find out, period. |
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