Do the WANT to kill Gundam? :/

And here I thought this wasn't popular enough to attract any grifters. But what do you know it's the same guy that was making 8 threads a day about WfM. And what do you know Roberts here to fan the flames of the culture war narrative yet again, acting as a "neutral" third party, to get guys like the ones above me to think that whining about a series having a female protagonist is somehow a sane thing to complain about. It gives me immense pleasure to know that the people whose free time is entirely consumed by calling people tourists, haven't even the barest understanding of the messages of the original. But I don't even have to look at the profiles of half the people on this thread to see, that these people supposedly gatekeeping a 40 year old franchise like their masculinity depends on the sales of the plastic kits; haven't even watched the original series, at best they've probably seen the movie trilogy version, say its bad and then claim that Unicorns the best thing ever made. But no, go blame imaginary queer teenagers, women with dyed hair (who you might also imagine as being oveweight) while you go make your sad sigma male Char videos for fifteen views.

Its so over for media literacy that it's not even funny. What do any of you people think the dark parts of any Gundam series are there for, Tomino's writing in particular has always been soap opera drama, why does this character die? because we needed to keep the show from getting axed, nobody cares for love and understanding, so you need to put your moral teachings at the end so that the warmachine toys sell better. "Boo Hoo, all I care about are dark stories about sweaty men getting it on with each other in a non gay way". "The only way I can ever find women tolerable nevertheless attractive is when they're in a relationship with a character or even feign interest in a character I have an unhealthily sexual attachment to". Has it ever come across any of these culture warriors heads, that the series has had a target audience of teenagers to young adults for the past forty years. Before acting all high and mighty about those you deem sociallly lesser than yourself being in the limeligh, how about you look in the mirror and stop playing with childrens toys. I myself have undying love for this franchise, it holds a place near and dear to me, but it sure is hard to talk about it with anyone because online discourse has become infatuated with a bunch of manchildren. Any person nowadays think that just because they can get their two cents in their worth a damn. Half of these people are willingly disingenuous and the other half are just too uneducated to understand, that the other guys are just trying to sell them stupid ex Star Wars theory channel youtuber merch.

Yeah the series is about war but more importantly might you have even a modicum of an idea what war itself is about? Human conflict, now who is to say that this human conflict can't be explored in say a high school setting, which as other people have pointed out was done in Witch from Mercury. Petty aesthetics will always triumph over meaning. Hell most of the people complaining about WfM were so enamored with Guel that they made accounts to inflate the number of favorites the character had, and in spite of having a problem with the setting, would have been perfectly happy had he been the protagonist, and if he had ended up with the protagonist.

Everyone on this websites forums is either lethargic, or trying to sell snake oil, its hard to count who on this website is worth talking to, but what do you know, most of those people get constantly harassed for having "wrong opinions". I just hope, so sincerely hope that those two main characters are gay, so that you people can go have an existential crisis, or at the very least have something new to hate other than yourselves. Cause I can't even begin to imagine how miserable I'd have to be to go argue that people can't ship two female or male characters (or even like media featuring two character of the same sex in a relationship) because class S is some sort of peak of Japanese culture every four months and men loving in each other in a romantic way is threatening to me. Yay Platonic love, there's never enough of that in media unless we
re speaking of a relationship between a man and a woman, "because I can only have deep meaningful relationships with other men, and it's threatening when people imply I might be gay, and I don't actually form meaningful relationships with women, but who am I actually kidding, I've never had a relationship with a woman so all I do is post on Myanimelist forums everyday, looking for things to whine about". you know what I just dislike Platon as a philosophist on so many levels. I'm glad Diogenes burned him so hard with the featherless bipedal thing.

I'm not going to go into painstaking examples of hypocritical statements made, which can easily be countered by examples referencing past shows. Because I'm sure that no one mad about any of this actually cares about what happened in Turn A Gundam or any show made in between Gundam 79 and Seed. It's so utterly baffling to see the poster above say that you needn't worry about forced high school drama when this is like the holy trio of adolescence angst from the 90's, with Tsurumaki, Enokido and Anno on board. You know what I'll just say it out loud NewestPersonHere I just don't like you. You'll probably come around to seeing this even if I don't quote you. Nothing personal.

There was no controversy regarding WfM, outside of your echo chamber original poster and main agitator, Bobert, and no matter how neutral you'd like to seem, people would have to be stupid not to notice that you have a personal vendetta regarding the series, you probably have me blocked but, I'm sure one of those flies that gather around you will probably buzz in your ear, seeing as how you were so committed to calling me some kind of Gatekeeper while Gundam Witch from Mercury was airing. You know there's really no reason for me to entertain those addicted to attention but this isn't even about op.

Edit; I guess It's always been about moral superiority to you though Robert, I'm sure that's why you're making that arranged marriage argument, whose twitter post did you get that one from.

@Kumiveneella

God, I'm so tired of you culturual war activists. Can we really not ONCE have fun anymore? Must everything be about "presentation"?

Eff off with you "grifter"-talk, what meaningless, dumb word this is.

Talk about anime or don't, but spare us your political manifesto. People like you keep ruining the entertainment industry, applying censorship everywhere, and the result is shit like Naughty Dog's "Intergalactic" with its ugly, skinhead female lead. Fuck DEI. Fuck censorship. And fuck this whole discourse.

I've always been watching anime to have fun. That's all.

@MyllerPhiem

Oh come on, do you realize how you sound. You're making a thread about a show that none of us have seen saying its going to be bad because of the art style and basically because it has a female main character. And then you're saying your apolitical when you're not. Like ok what even does DEI mean? I only hear it from insuferable rightoid culture warriors. Like you have to be over a certain weight and American to understand what these acronyms mean.

You are speaking so passionately about a series you have basically no investment in. You're not a fan, so why do you even care? It sounds like you are the only one not having fun.

So, now that we have the box office numbers for GQuuuuuuX in Japan, can we say that the title of the topic should be renamed as "Do the WANT to preserve Gundam?" ? :D

@CastorCastagneur
yeah, it sold quite well in Japan. Especially, this is not even an actual movie,

Currently, the box office revenue is 1.432 billion yen with a total of 853,000 audience count for their first 10 days of screening.

I dunno, this honestly looks pretty disappointing. It feels like they have no idea what to do with Gundam any more or what people want. They keep talking about making a Gundam for the "new generation", but what does that mean? They said the same thing about Witch from Mercury.
Clan battles, another female protag, terrible looking designs, like what are they doing? And then of course the setting. They've run out of ideas to milk UC so now they are doing alt-history? What's next, a what-if series of if Lalah survived or Haman survived? Or if Jerid never commented on Camille's name?
Do they think old school fans will eat it up because it is surface level UC setting, and new fans will get into it because it has been designed for a "modern audience"?

What was the most popular Gundam outside of the original UC series? It was Seed. It was so popular it had another 50 episode sequel, shit ton of spin offs, and a movie 20 years later. Seed was for sure not without its problems (the number of recap episodes kills me...), and yeah it aped a lot from the original, but it also knew what Gundam was and what made it popular. If the series is good, it doesn't matter what "generation" the audience is, they will like it.

They should learn from that, and stop throwing random Gundam branded shit at the wall trying to find out what sticks.

"Of course, the heroes are kids again, too"

Amuro was 15 in Mobile Suit Gundam

Female protagonists in gundam are stupid. Giant robots and war are inherently masculine.
The audience is super majority male, has and always will be super majority male. Young men want to watch other MEN conduct war and kill each other, save and conquer nations, and to be fawned over by multiple women while doing it. What's happening to the gundam series is unironically "woke nonsense", and should be met with scorn and ridicule. Yuri tourists - you are on stolen land! SIEG ZEON

nah mercury witch was straight up diversity propaganda but this one looks genuinely interesting looking at the trailer feels like something out of trigger without all the westaboo influences

@DINGO_SCUM wasn't part of the initial Gundam audience Shojo fans in Japan who shipped Char and Garma together.

@AnimePedestrian"No" is closer to being the right answer to your question than "Yes" would be. 1 single woman MIGHT have watched the original 79 Gundam series for this purpose.. Doubtful, but it might have happened. To act like any sizeable or significant amount of the original gundam audience were "shojo" fans who watched the series to "ship" x and y character is stupid. You are a tourist.

@DINGO_SCUM

I mean I'm pretty sure it was more than one, from what I heard from like different channels and articles it was the Shojou fans who likely were attracted to Gundam thanks to it's Parisian esc clothing and art style similar to Rose of Versailles.

And what were called military otakus, who were like men who were into military sci fi stuff. Those two groups are credited to having brought Gundam back from the dead leading to the successful Movie Trilogy and Zeta Gundam and so on.

Before you call me a tourist;

https://www.reddit.com/r/Gundam/comments/51pfi6/tomino_in_a_1998_interview_re_the_importance_of/

This is a translation of a interview by Tomino. The creator of the series. Just because you don't want it to be true doesn't make it so. XD

I mean I'd really like a Hathaway 2 or continuation of Gundam Thunderbolt but I do like the idea of a Spin Off series set in a what if timeline.

I mean could it really be worse than... Requiem for a Vengeance

@AnimePedestrian The link doesn't work. It's just a reddit thread with comments. I'll just copy and paste my main point again, because it's right.
To act like any sizeable or significant amount of the original gundam audience were "shojou" fans who watched the series to "ship" x and y character is stupid.
I'm not sure why there is such a desperate attempt to glorify and elevate the VERY FEW females who watched the early installments of gundam. Your point of it being "military otakus" is right. Just them. Not this fictional group of shoujo fans who were enchanted with the series fashion. This is just a strange fixation on an exception to the rule. The gundam audience always was and always will be supermajority male, like 80%+ at least. Stop being wrong.

@DINGO_SCUM https://soranews24.com/2015/11/14/interview-with-yoshiyuki-tomino-the-creator-of-gundam/
A tomino interview where he says that (I'm sure there are better translations but it's hard to find the right interview)

Also saying the franchise didn't try to appeal to girls is just wrong, seed has a look very shojo influenced and the plot being very heavy on drama and ships, wing being a boy band

@Guilmon1 SEEDs audience was supermajority male. Wings audience was supermajority male. Every audience of every gundam ever made is going to be supermajority male. SEEDs look is not shoujo influenced. Its character design looks exactly like s-CRY-ed and Soukyuu no Fafner - Also supermajority male anime. 99% of kids that sat down in front of the TV and watched these shows broadcast were boys and men.
Witch of mercury sucks ass. GQuuu looks like its going to be roughly the same thing, and they suck because they're feminized slop. Mecha will NEVER appeal to the (already small) amount of female anime watchers. Never has, never will. End of story. They should focus on catering to MEN, because that is who the majority of their audience is always going to be.

@DINGO_SCUM I only know that G-witch appealed to many men and women I know and that the only gripe I've seen from most people for G-Quuuuuux is the mecha design
Also, is there any source to the claims 99% of kids who watched gundam are boys? Even for shows that don't try to appeal to women in any way there is a much greater women percentage watching
Also, out of the many flaws of G-witch, very few people will say the bad thing about it is "feminised", it sounds like a problem for a very small minority

@AnimePedestrian Hathaway 2 will come out in 2025 or 2026 according to bandai

@AnimePedestrian The link doesn't work. It's just a reddit thread with comments. I'll just copy and paste my main point again, because it's right.
To act like any sizeable or significant amount of the original gundam audience were "shojou" fans who watched the series to "ship" x and y character is stupid.
I'm not sure why there is such a desperate attempt to glorify and elevate the VERY FEW females who watched the early installments of gundam. Your point of it being "military otakus" is right. Just them. Not this fictional group of shoujo fans who were enchanted with the series fashion. This is just a strange fixation on an exception to the rule. The gundam audience always was and always will be supermajority male, like 80%+ at least. Stop being wrong.

@Guilmon1 yeah I found out about that which is super exciting. I've not seen the first one yet but glad they plan to continue the trilogy

@AnimePedestrian the first one is great and highly recommended, really hope they'll continue with having an AU series and a UC project in production at the same time, at least as long as they can make good UC
It allows them more experimentation with different ideas of what gundam can be with AUs while having a project with high chances of success while trying out new technology (not saying one one is better from the other or that UC can't have experimental storytelling or AU can't have experimental animation, but most of the time they have a project that will probably succeed or balance an higher risk idea with a safer one)

Suisei no Majo was the best Gundam. Original Gundam is misandrist shit with stupid main characters.

@DINGO_SCUM I only know that G-witch appealed to many men and women I know and that the only gripe I've seen from most people for G-Quuuuuux is the mecha design
Also, is there any source to the claims 99% of kids who watched gundam are boys? Even for shows that don't try to appeal to women in any way there is a much greater women percentage watching
Also, out of the many flaws of G-witch, very few people will say the bad thing about it is "feminised", it sounds like a problem for a very small minority

@Guilmon1 I don't think you're going to get through to them. I swear I read the exact same argument earlier today on an article about Star Wars, where a commenter tried to claim that no more than 1% of Star Wars fans were female, therefore all future movies and shows should pander to men.

@Guilmon1 SEEDs audience was supermajority male. Wings audience was supermajority male. Every audience of every gundam ever made is going to be supermajority male. SEEDs look is not shoujo influenced. Its character design looks exactly like s-CRY-ed and Soukyuu no Fafner - Also supermajority male anime. 99% of kids that sat down in front of the TV and watched these shows broadcast were boys and men.
Witch of mercury sucks ass. GQuuu looks like its going to be roughly the same thing, and they suck because they're feminized slop. Mecha will NEVER appeal to the (already small) amount of female anime watchers. Never has, never will. End of story. They should focus on catering to MEN, because that is who the majority of their audience is always going to be.

@DINGO_SCUM


When NHK had a big Gundam poll in 2018, with nearly two million total votes, SEED got third place in popularity with the vote split looking like this. Getting third with such a high amount of female votes would be hard if it were just males watching it.

We also have an actual TV ratings breakdown by gender for Gundam TV series. We know exactly who watched it. In the youngest age bracket there's roughly a split of 2/3 male to 1/3 female, while in the older age brackets it's more of a 50/50 split for SEED. But far away from your claimed 80%+ male ratio.

Over 3 billion yen at the Japanese box office.
Most succesful anime film of the year so far.

Lol this topic aged like milk. Though it was never good ti begin with.

@kuribo-04 i knew japanese had terrible tastes

@Nao120 shit take + borderline racist post