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Nov 10, 2023 8:26 PM

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@WalterBlack59 What I hate the most is that I am unironically sympathizing with Kim Jong Un because of this show. It's a similar situation and Kim is handling it way better without needing to nuke the rest of the world.
@ItsaMeAMario ain't no way dude is sympathising with a real dictator because there's some stupid drawing in japan 😭
Nov 10, 2023 8:39 PM

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Because it goes against everything that was set up. It's plot hole infested, it assassinates characters and shits on everything that came before. The romance is absolute garbage nonsense and is justification for killing 80% of the world? And then ducking crying after hat you did?? And then telling armin the reason you massacred the world is non existent because you just had the feeling you needed to?? 💀 The writing is absolute shit in this ending go watch some YouTube videos where they go over every single point that is wrong.
There is so much wrong here I can't even go into every point for example ymir and Mikasa.
@WalterBlack59 When armin said " u did all this for us" while crying then eren felt bad, he did not want armin to carry the guilt of killing millions. Therefore, he starts taking all the blame on himself, " i wanted to level the world" (his personal goal was freedom too but he knows he's not free).
Armin asks why ?? Though eren wanted to do rumbling to save his friends, people of paradis, get rid of titans and also bcuz of his personal desire of freedom but he answers " It's because I'm an idiot ". People are angry bcuz eren couldn't put up a proper reason but the real meaning of this line is no matter whatever be ur reasons u cannot justify genocide, so that's why eren said I'm an idiot who got this god like power. Armin understands what eren trying to do and hence, he says " we did it, we'll suffer for the sins of killing 80%...together. Armin knows he blaming himself alone is not right bcuz he was the one who showed him book about the outside world.
Nov 10, 2023 8:42 PM

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FloRathalos said:
I'm kinda surprised. Everyone told me it was the absolute worst, and this show being to me a masterpiece, I remember being outraged of how people would give the entire show "1" because of the end. Yet, here I am, in my bed, speechless before what I just watched. I think it was an amazing ending, in fact, I think it couldn't have been any better. It was literally the best ending I could have ever expected. So can someone explain me why the hell is everyone so angry about?
Because personally, I didn't expect a lame ending with simply the wars ending and eldia being at peace wether because all of humanity was decimated or because they successfuly made peace. This mind blowing and deeply philosophical content is exactly what I hoped for, and thank you Isayama for what you did. My best wishes

Most people who dislike the ending are probably very dissatisfied with Eren’s explanation of why everything transpired the way it did. I know I was. Eren’s certainty in wanting a specific outcome yet being confused about why and having tons of conflicts of interest is … stupid, which I think is why Isayama decided to just make Eren call himself stupid in the end lol.

Ymir’s goal as explained by Eren is also dissatisfying. Who sets out to make an event happen (that you can already see happen anyway) so that it can have some effect on your mental state. You’ve already seen it! Lmao, it doesn’t make sense.

Going off of that, everything is messy and muddled with the complicated and contradicting mechanics to the point where everything that transpires is dubious. And when you unravel it all on top of that, things just do not make sense.

Going even further, I feel like there were also several missed opportunities in this final season for more interesting outcomes, which were passed on in favor of preserving the lives of main crew. Same for preserving their moral integrity or likability.

One last thing to mention, the presentation of the themes and messaging this season was overly unsubtle to the point where they don’t land well. Not that being blunt can’t work depending on the scene and direction, but it definitely did not work here.

It’s upsetting to me that it ended up this way really. The show has a GOATed climax in season 3 part 2 and had the potential to be the definitive GOAT despite some missed opportunities in the first season. And now it’s the biggest disappointment. I feel so meh about the series now.
@ghier When armin said " u did all this for us" while crying then eren felt bad, he did not want armin to carry the guilt of killing millions. Therefore, he starts taking all the blame on himself, " i wanted to level the world" (his personal goal was freedom too but he knows he's not free).
Armin asks why ?? Though eren wanted to do rumbling to save his friends, people of paradis, get rid of titans and also bcuz of his personal desire of freedom but he answers " It's because I'm an idiot ". People are angry bcuz eren couldn't put up a proper reason but the real meaning of this line is no matter whatever be ur reasons u cannot justify genocide, so that's why eren said I'm an idiot who got this god like power. Armin understands what eren trying to do and hence, he says " we did it, we'll suffer for the sins of killing 80%...together. Armin knows blaming him alone is not right bcuz he was the one who showed him book about the outside world.
Nov 10, 2023 8:54 PM

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Blueberry173 said:
@Bugsbunnyfake not gonna like, but you look like a clown when all you do is spout bs without any justification.
Its not wrong to hate the ending, but your words are absolutely baseless.

Then Cry peasants.
@Bugsbunnyfake probably should have learned how to use proper grammar before trying to act wise 🤡.
Clown through and through.
Well, i rest my case, bye.
Nov 10, 2023 8:58 PM
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Blueberry173 said:
@Bugsbunnyfake probably should have learned how to use proper grammar before trying to act wise 🤡.
Clown through and through.
Well, i rest my case, bye.

Sure whatever makes you help sleep.You have satisfy your ego.So I can guarantee you feel much better now. Using emoji makes you feels less dumber than average people and I can't blame you for that.
Nov 11, 2023 1:20 AM

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Blueberry173 said:
@Bugsbunnyfake probably should have learned how to use proper grammar before trying to act wise 🤡.
Clown through and through.
Well, i rest my case, bye.

Sure whatever makes you help sleep.You have satisfy your ego.So I can guarantee you feel much better now. Using emoji makes you feels less dumber than average people and I can't blame you for that.
@Bugsbunnyfake Dude you're just making a fool of yourself. Just stop, it's pitiful...
Nov 11, 2023 1:23 AM
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NiftyGriffin said:
@Bugsbunnyfake Dude you're just making a fool of yourself. Just stop, it's pitiful...

Yet kept replying to me and telling other to shut up.
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Nov 11, 2023 1:56 AM

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This has a mean score 9. With more than 100k people giving it 10/10.

How tf is that hated lmao.
Nov 11, 2023 2:10 AM

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Fr. The thing is many people wanted the happy ending, where Eren lives, he's with Mikasa and they are living forever together. But well, this isn't disney. I personally love the ending and imo the massive hate is unnecessary

What are you talking about. You literally got the most Disney Avengers ending. None of the alliance died, the world is saved, talk no jutsu, power of friendship typa ending lol

I wish for ending defenders to at least READ the complaints before they start making them up




Nov 11, 2023 8:09 AM
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@Zprotu Ehhh I don’t think you can call those who don’t like the ending a vocal minority. When the manga ended, the majority of fans were shitting on it and losing their minds over how bad the ending was. Now that many years have passed and the anime ends most of those people probably aren’t even interested anymore. (Im about the same boat)
@Klad You could call them a vocal Minority for the Anime Ending.

When the Manga ended it wasn't hated by the Majority. It was pretty 50/50.

But the Anime Ending has about the same level of engagement as it did before the Manga ended.

On MAL the Special Part 2 has 10,800 votes.(And Rising)

That's more than Any epsisode in Season 3.

Similarly on Imdb the Finale has 55K votes(and rising). Similar to what some of the biggest AoT epsisodes got.

So the number of people engaging with tbe ending is more or less the same as before the Manga ending.(And it's natural to assume so are the number of Manga readers).

It's just very obvious that Manga readers don't constitute nearly as big of a part of AoT anime fandom as they thought they did.
So the what was half of the fandom in the Manga community becomes a minority in the Anime community.
Nov 11, 2023 8:57 AM
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I did think the ending is perfect for the story AOT was telling, but tbh the manga ending had some questionable moments, like Armin's infamous "thank you for being a mass murderer for our sake" line, which contradicts the entire conflict of the alliance against Eren and the main plot of Season 4. Also, Eren didn't explain anything in the manga ending, whereas in the anime ending, he explained himself clearer by saying how he started losing his mind and how he was an "idiot with incredible power" who couldn't find other way to resolve the conflict, resulting in the death of his friends.
The extended action, beautiful animation, amazing voice acting and soundtrack also helped a lot to elevate the whole thing.
Nov 11, 2023 6:41 PM

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@ItsaMeAMario ain't no way dude is sympathising with a real dictator because there's some stupid drawing in japan 😭
@Blueberry173 AOT is unironically fascist and genocidal propaganda, I'm not even the type of person to say this shit nor care. But it is so obvious that I can't believe others can't see it. My point was that Kim in comparison to Eren is a saint and the show tries to glorify Eren even in the end and nobody seems to be condemning Eren.

Kim is a moral authority compared to Eren.
Nov 11, 2023 9:16 PM
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Because the ending is so meaningless, to put it mildly. All those sacrifices were for nothing (especially Erwin, since his sacrifice stands out the most). Eren achieved nothing but massacring 80% of the world's population, which leads to the survivor's descendants bombing Paradis out of retaliation.
Nov 11, 2023 9:18 PM
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FloRathalos said:
I'm kinda surprised. Everyone told me it was the absolute worst, and this show being to me a masterpiece, I remember being outraged of how people would give the entire show "1" because of the end. Yet, here I am, in my bed, speechless before what I just watched. I think it was an amazing ending, in fact, I think it couldn't have been any better. It was literally the best ending I could have ever expected. So can someone explain me why the hell is everyone so angry about?
Because personally, I didn't expect a lame ending with simply the wars ending and eldia being at peace wether because all of humanity was decimated or because they successfuly made peace. This mind blowing and deeply philosophical content is exactly what I hoped for, and thank you Isayama for what you did. My best wishes

As a manga reader let me explain.
When you read a manga you either focus on the art style or the plot. In aot manga the plot is the selling point.
On the other hand on a well executed anime adaptation like aot you may focus on the voice acting, the animation, or the music. In other words you will completely ignore the plot holes and plot conveniences that make it horrendous. If I write all of them it will be a long text. I will list the two most obvious ones.
1)Ymir having Stockholm syndrome which is the biggest and most unreasonable plot convenience. Isayama made Eren so op that he didn't know how to proceed with the plot.
2) Most fiction parts related with the paths/Ymir happened after 80% of the anime had happened. No built-up. Just ass-pulls and new inventions that were non existent until that point.
A lot more ass-pulls happened as the story proceeded but if I write all of them the list will be too long.
Nov 11, 2023 9:37 PM

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Because the ending is so meaningless, to put it mildly. All those sacrifices were for nothing (especially Erwin, since his sacrifice stands out the most). Eren achieved nothing but massacring 80% of the world's population, which leads to the survivor's descendants bombing Paradis out of retaliation.
@LeonhartAugust

U don't know why they were bombed, it legit happened many hundreds of years or even thousands after the events

And u saying its meaningless is refuted by armin and zeke's conversation in paths. Zeke is the one stating ur argument to Armin.

thomasaqwak said:
1)Ymir having Stockholm syndrome which is the biggest and most unreasonable plot convenience. Isayama made Eren so op that he didn't know how to proceed with the plot.

Ymir was a slave her whole life dude, it's not a plot convenience

ItsaMeAMario said:
nobody seems to be condemning Eren

bro watched nothing

MugiwaraJopa said:
None of the alliance died, the world is saved, talk no jutsu, power of friendship typa ending lol

this is what someone would say if they never watched the ending lmaoo
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@LeonhartAugust

U don't know why they were bombed, it legit happened many hundreds of years or even thousands after the events

And u saying its meaningless is refuted by armin and zeke's conversation in paths. Zeke is the one stating ur argument to Armin.

thomasaqwak said:
1)Ymir having Stockholm syndrome which is the biggest and most unreasonable plot convenience. Isayama made Eren so op that he didn't know how to proceed with the plot.

Ymir was a slave her whole life dude, it's not a plot convenience

ItsaMeAMario said:
nobody seems to be condemning Eren

bro watched nothing

MugiwaraJopa said:
None of the alliance died, the world is saved, talk no jutsu, power of friendship typa ending lol

this is what someone would say if they never watched the ending lmaoo
@Zprotu Mark my words Eren will win the main character award in the Crunchyroll awards, which is a popularity contest, even though as an MC he is weak.
Nov 12, 2023 8:28 AM
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@LeonhartAugust

U don't know why they were bombed, it legit happened many hundreds of years or even thousands after the events

And u saying its meaningless is refuted by armin and zeke's conversation in paths. Zeke is the one stating ur argument to Armin.

thomasaqwak said:
1)Ymir having Stockholm syndrome which is the biggest and most unreasonable plot convenience. Isayama made Eren so op that he didn't know how to proceed with the plot.

Ymir was a slave her whole life dude, it's not a plot convenience

ItsaMeAMario said:
nobody seems to be condemning Eren

bro watched nothing

MugiwaraJopa said:
None of the alliance died, the world is saved, talk no jutsu, power of friendship typa ending lol

this is what someone would say if they never watched the ending lmaoo
@Zprotu

Ymir loving her abuser is plot convenience. When your body hurts, you instinctively want it to stop. Ymir choosing to continue her life full of pain and slavery is flawed logic. It is only convenient for the plot.
Nov 15, 2023 9:29 PM
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they want the rumbling to succeed
Dec 10, 2023 2:02 AM
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The ending was good. Eren dying was good. Eldia getting destroyed was good kindof.
Its the way how we reached to the ending thats bad.
Dec 11, 2023 4:24 AM
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well, if the mnangaka makes the main character being crontrolled by aliens its obviously that lots of fans would hate it.
especially when we all thought everything was his own decision up until the very end.

or maybe they just hated the not so happy end

i liked how everything conlcuded but Eren turned into a joke of a character
Dec 14, 2023 7:13 AM

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It's a cowardly ending. That's why.

The author decided to play safe in order to save his reputation. He didn't want to write an ending where an act of genocide ended up solving the problem permanently (even though it would have).

He made Eren look like a clown that did those acts not for the sake his homeland but for reasons he admitted he didn't even understand himself lol. He really tried as much as he could to make Eren look like a childish mass shooter who acts out of teenager frustrations, which was completely unnecessary since he could have just written him as a conflicted anti-hero/villain.

He had Eren kill his own mother, which is the very reason he wanted to bring justice to the culprits in the first place. That was garbage and completely unnecessary. But no. He just had to assassinate Eren's character as much as he possibly could. Then pseudo-intellectual will throw lines like "the road to hell is full of good intentions", or "if you look into the abyss the abyss look back into you". There is nothing deep or thought provoking about this, it's just the author trying his best to flip the middle finger to the long term readers who have been following since chapter 1. I don't understand how can anyone enjoy this kind of writing to be honest.

Then the avenger-turned survey corpse trying to stop the only person who was looking out for the sake of their homeland, even though they had no better plan of their own, and most of the world population wanted them dead. Not to say Eren was right in doing all that of course, since not everyone in the world was racist against eldians. But the survey corpse really had no power to do anything, and their decision to stop their only hope for surviving, and doing it in that superheroes avenger fashion at that lmao, was ludicrous to say the least.
Dec 14, 2023 7:26 AM
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Because people are jealous of the succes of AoT and the fact that they can't write a betetr ending
Dec 21, 2023 6:28 PM

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If you've never swam in the ocean then of course a pool seems deep.
@Bugsbunnyfake. Wtf you are on about lol trying to sound so smart yet so stupid at the same time 🥺🥺
Dec 22, 2023 12:04 PM

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Because the ending is so meaningless, to put it mildly. All those sacrifices were for nothing (especially Erwin, since his sacrifice stands out the most). Eren achieved nothing but massacring 80% of the world's population, which leads to the survivor's descendants bombing Paradis out of retaliation.
@LeonhartAugust
I think you are absolutely on the right track.

No matter what anyone was cheering for - anything between 'Lawful Good' and 'Chaotic Evil' - it just felt as empty and predictable as a Fallout ending "War never changes". Yet at the same time the show remained very tame in some aspects e.g. romance never went anywhere or things became got more tame in terms of decision making. Less thinking outside the box, if you so will.

It is really tough to say, since this was a project of decades, show and literature became intertwined, etc. My suspicion different people expected different endings capturing the spirit of different seasons.

The Season 1-2 style ending could have been the rumbling playing out all the way and Eren rebuilding a free world
The spirit of season 3 would have been Eren and Zeke playing out the Euthensia plan
Season 4 still showed a pretty core character Eren underneath Path-Eren. Rescuing Paradis, making sure he and Mikasa spend many years in one way or another.

Personally, I can accept it, think it is ok and was the safe rout but doesn't quite measure up, a 7/10 if you put it in numbers.

The Hallucigenia/Source of all living things is what killed so much meaning in this show and was an easy escape route for the author #changemymind :P
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