[Oshi No Ko]
SomeNewGuy said: Nah it is just a cheap plot device. If the intent was to show how messed up he is then they should of had the attempt end in failure [as it realistically should have] and simply have had some other way of him getting information. Cold storage is quite literally the safest bet so they could've easily made it that he simply discovered a combination to a safe and some written information was in there.I feel like people are missing the point here. The reason why it was written like this is to convey to the audience just how decicated he really is about getting revenge and how far he is willing to go in order to achieve it. While it's true the author could've easily incorporated a "hacking" element here, it wouldn't have had the same impact nor conveyed the same message. As the whole point of this scene is to get the viewer/reader to react and realise just how mentally screwed up Aqua has become due to Ai's passing where he wouldn't mind "wasting" 4 years of his life just to break into a phone that may or may not contain useful information, this is messed up, it doesn't make any sense and that's the whole point. Or heck since AI is kind of portrayed as a ditz why not have him do that for four years only to accidentally find the passcode for the phone written down somewhere? That would also be a better writing move to show how messed up his psyche is that he would rather focus entirely on brute forcing a phone like that instead of considering other options [and yet this would still make a more believable plot device and still highlight that aspect of his character]. |
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| It’s an anime where storytelling-wise the ends justify the goals, there are quite a few statements about acting (for example) that are just false as well. This is a revenge plot where the technicalities aren’t really the focus. That being said I totally expected the lock to be something like 12345678. |
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| Look here, setting aside the question of whether there are better, common, and well-known ways to unlock that phone, how the fuck exactly is this a writing issue? The end goal is the same, the phone being unlocked. If anything, this method had the added benefit of showing Aqua's insanity. |
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| I'm upset. I got loads of responses but -DxP- deleted them. No problem with -DxP- doing their job, just would have enjoyed seeing those responses :-) Still lots of fun posts to read though. This has been a great display of the gulf between fiction and reality |
| Quantum ille canis est in fenestra |
| Logical shouldn't be a thing here,it was shown like that so we can see his resolve and what prep he was doing after the death of ai and before the current present. |
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| Honestly, this is exactly what the average person would try if they had no idea how to hack into it. It's really not as dumb as you think, it's the simplest and most straightforward way to gain access to the phone. And it's not like he doesn't have a lot of time on his hands. And sure, there are likely otherwise to get into the phone that he could probably have looked up on the internet, but they generally involve opening up the device and unless you have a lot of experience you could end up damaging something and losing your only chance to obtain that data. As for the keypad getting worn with all those key presses. I doubt it. Pretty sure buttons like that are rated for way more presses than would have been required. Though, suppose that would depend on the manufacturing quality of the phone. But it's not hard to assume it was a decent phone, right? As a well known idol she probably got some amazing deals on that kind of stuff, if not got them for free. As for why he didn't want to give it to an expert. It's because Ai having children isn't known to the public. So it would be pretty strange if a child showed up asking for it to be broken into, only to find out it's the idol Ai's phone. He also has no idea what is on the phone. Texts, images, personal info, etc. That's just not the kind of thing you can trust some random person with. |
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RobertsahDHDA said:  Okay. Lets say that SOMEHOW. You are right about the "math" being off on this one plot point. WHAT DOES THIS CHANGE ABOUT THE PLOT?????????? it's stupid, it changes nothing about the plot because it's a stupid contrivance, it makes it silly, like the writer is forcing this to go through to make it work instead of making it work naturally |
animeIs4Children said: Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao He was close to 40 at the time... Character is supposed to be "smart" too. What do you think? What would you do?  Yea this was a pretty bad take, it’s definitely possible to do what he did. it also took YEARS lol anyone could do it with that kind of dedication. |
| Everytime.... can we stop giving trolls maximum attention, guys? xD What are you doing, actually discussing what someone wrote on the internet just to trigger you .... Dayum... |
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IamNiimbus said: animeIs4Children said: Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao He was close to 40 at the time... Character is supposed to be "smart" too. What do you think? What would you do? Yea this was a pretty bad take, it’s definitely possible to do what he did. it also took YEARS lol anyone could do it with that kind of dedication. Nope not possible if you have basic knowledge of how mobile phones work. This is a valid criticism. Bad take for you though |
SunsetBlink said: Aqua is actually not smart at all. He always uses bruteforce to achieve his goals. There'll be a smart character and he'll be using her so she figures stuff out instead of him Isn’t this a spoiler… |
Confused_100 said: IamNiimbus said: Yea this was a pretty bad take, it’s definitely possible to do what he did. it also took YEARS lol anyone could do it with that kind of dedication. Nope not possible if you have basic knowledge of how mobile phones work. This is a valid criticism. Bad take for you though You haven't linked to a single source to back up your claim w.r.t 20 year old phones dude. You're just claiming it with no evidence. |
SomeNewGuy said: THIS. Folks need to realize that authors often write subjects they are not experts in- not because they are trying to write an accurate portrayal of that subject, but because that subject conveys meaning for the story. of course the author isn't gonna go into minute detail about how this kid hacked into a cell phone. because it literally doesn't matter at all. the purpose is to convey meaning to the viewer- that Aqua is still obsessed with Ai and has literally dedicated his new life to avenging her. he is a messed up man with an unhealthy obsession reinforced by trauma. it doesn't matter that the hacking is "unrealistic," it does what it needs to do.I feel like people are missing the point here. The reason why it was written like this is to convey to the audience just how decicated he really is about getting revenge and how far he is willing to go in order to achieve it. While it's true the author could've easily incorporated a "hacking" element here, it wouldn't have had the same impact nor conveyed the same message. As the whole point of this scene is to get the viewer/reader to react and realise just how mentally screwed up Aqua has become due to Ai's passing where he wouldn't mind "wasting" 4 years of his life just to break into a phone that may or may not contain useful information, this is messed up, it doesn't make any sense and that's the whole point. EDIT: long rant ahead, put it under a spoiler cuz it's long lol |
SquishyPiesApr 27, 2023 6:25 PM
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daiotaku said: Confused_100 said: Nope not possible if you have basic knowledge of how mobile phones work. This is a valid criticism. Bad take for you though You haven't linked to a single source to back up your claim w.r.t 20 year old phones dude. You're just claiming it with no evidence. Where’s the answer to my question and why are you running away from it? Is Aqua not “smart” or Did Aka not have any mobile phones (lazy writing)? Which is it? You want factual basic knowledge of how a mobile phone’s security works? When you admit flaws and valid criticisms, tell me. I won’t waste my time. |
Confused_100 said: daiotaku said: You haven't linked to a single source to back up your claim w.r.t 20 year old phones dude. You're just claiming it with no evidence. Where’s the answer to my question and why are you running away from it? Is Aqua not “smart” or Did Aka not have any mobile phones (lazy writing)? Which is it? You want factual basic knowledge of how a mobile phone’s security works? When you admit flaws and valid criticisms, tell me. I won’t waste my time. What question? The whole basis of your question depends on something you've declared, progressive lockout even on phones from 20 years ago, that you haven't proven. You just keep claiming anyone who disagrees with you "doesn't know how phones work." It seems like you don't know how google works since you haven't been able to provide a single link to back up your point. Why would I bother answering "questions" from someone who doesn't even know how to use google? |
daiotaku said: Confused_100 said: Where’s the answer to my question and why are you running away from it? Is Aqua not “smart” or Did Aka not have any mobile phones (lazy writing)? Which is it? You want factual basic knowledge of how a mobile phone’s security works? When you admit flaws and valid criticisms, tell me. I won’t waste my time. What question? The whole basis of your question depends on something you've declared, progressive lockout even on phones from 20 years ago, that you haven't proven. You just keep claiming anyone who disagrees with you "doesn't know how phones work." It seems like you don't know how google works since you haven't been able to provide a single link to back up your point. Why would I bother answering "questions" from someone who doesn't even know how to use google? And I told you to google it even. But you turned it around on me. And you literally see the question. You try to dismiss facts. Mine can be seen in google, you are the one here who should give me evidence of not being in old phones eventhough they were in very old Nokia model phones but let’s ignore that, right? Google is your friend even. Lock out was a thing in the past as well as erasure of data after a selected number of tries. You want to fight realistic facts here, cool. But then you are giving in to an ultimatum: Is Aqua not “smart”? Or did Aka never use a mobile phone ever (lazy writing)? Which is it? You are making this not progressive, you just want to dismiss it. And you are making this into an argument other than a debate. Finally all you said was a point to provoke not to challenge like “the calculations” part which I literally calculated and you acted like I didn’t. So your motive here is clear: you aren’t here to debate and prove this wrong, you are here to provoke and just dismiss. Now if you aren’t going to progress this debate further, please stop replying to me as it is a waste of time. |
| so I don't think it's dumb but it sure is very slow way, boring and dull anyways he went like 00001- 99999 ( he found passcode midway tho) and he said - it took him 45510th try, meanwhile the passcode itself was 45510 and i don't think he need notebook for that also my logic as to why he didn't go for a faster way- well he is a doctor, he have no knowledge of hacking etc then why not go to someone for help? well there is a risk of his secret being found out ( imagine a kid coming to u asking to hack someone's phone with dead serious face) also it was Ai's personal phone (who knows what could be the content) I think if someone is complaining about it I guess they were expecting too much from Aqua - maybe turning into a flawless genius after reincarnation, shocking us with his smart a$$ moves everytime anyways he might have been smarter as a kid but now he has grew up and catching up to his previous life age - it might have been a different story if he would have taught himself tons of skills as a kid but from what I can see he has only spent his time mostly with director after Ai's death - so the skills he learned with director will only help him to get closer to the suspects in the industry and many people for some reason believes the older the person the smarter they are but that's not true at all they might have emotional intelligence and some important skills they learned along the way....but I don't think being smart has something to do with age |
PUHPUHPUHPOWERApr 27, 2023 8:22 PM
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| This thread was a fun read and I'm still not sure what the perfect way to unlock a flip phone for someone that doesn't know how to code/hack would be |
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aditwes said: Who the fuck was talking to you?HatTrkPatrk said: no thanks, that would be the dumbest way to waste my precious timeIf that's the dumbest you've seen in anime you need to see more anime |
Confused_100 said: daiotaku said: What question? The whole basis of your question depends on something you've declared, progressive lockout even on phones from 20 years ago, that you haven't proven. You just keep claiming anyone who disagrees with you "doesn't know how phones work." It seems like you don't know how google works since you haven't been able to provide a single link to back up your point. Why would I bother answering "questions" from someone who doesn't even know how to use google? And I told you to google it even. But you turned it around on me. And you literally see the question. You try to dismiss facts. Mine can be seen in google, you are the one here who should give me evidence of not being in old phones eventhough they were in very old Nokia model phones but let’s ignore that, right? Google is your friend even. Lock out was a thing in the past as well as erasure of data after a selected number of tries. You want to fight realistic facts here, cool. But then you are giving in to an ultimatum: Is Aqua not “smart”? Or did Aka never use a mobile phone ever (lazy writing)? Which is it? You are making this not progressive, you just want to dismiss it. And you are making this into an argument other than a debate. Finally all you said was a point to provoke not to challenge like “the calculations” part which I literally calculated and you acted like I didn’t. So your motive here is clear: you aren’t here to debate and prove this wrong, you are here to provoke and just dismiss. Now if you aren’t going to progress this debate further, please stop replying to me as it is a waste of time. Aqua is smart and Aka has used a mobile phone. Which is why you can't seem to google anything to back up your claim, it doesn't exist. Why should anyone believe what you're saying, just because you're saying it? It's totally pointless. What you're saying is wrong and you also can't even do basic math. Google some proof of what you're saying, or just admit you made it up based on nothing. |
animeIs4Children said: Even more if you consider this dude (Aqua) is a 30-something years old DOCTOR that reincarnated lmao He was close to 40 at the time... Character is supposed to be "smart" too. What do you think? What would you do? You need to watch more anime There is no mentions of Aqua being smart and being adult or doctor doesn't necessarily means that you will solve each problem with merit The plot armour is not always present to save the day |
shash_sama18Apr 28, 2023 12:53 AM
| the only thing dumb in this scene is that. the phones normally get permanently locked if yu fail multiple times, as the phone thinks an unknown person is tryin to get a hand on to your phone. Then the only way to unlock it is by doing a full format factory cleanup which will remove all the things in its memory unless the contacts are saved in gmail account. So maybe he could have done that, but he wanted to keep it secret so what he did was the only choice he was left with |
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