Edens Zero Episode 1 Discussion

Kalyteros said:


You mean the 2 minute backstory about how the bots were abandoned by humans??? That is deep lmao? Nah that was only given two minutes of screentime at most and wasn't a central theme throughout it all and you know that.

You jumped to that conclusion with 2 episodes into the series? There was NO indication of discrimination to bots in this series and I am not gonna call it as such until there are central topics talked about it and I see nothing of that sorts. Her cat got yeeted by a car and turned into a mech. She loved the car for what it is but where does it say anything about robots and discrimination? Do you think I'm reading the manga

Stop acting like this isn't Fairy Tail. The same things about friendship were said in Fairy Tail too but without the robots. I told you I don't have a problem with a show centralized around friendship because we know Mashima is only good at doing that

Kalyteros said:


1. There are tendencies I can pick up with artists. Mashima tends to use friendship as a trope
2. I can make initial judgements based on what I see

Yes I know that, but that was because there were twists and turns. I have an idea what Mashima would do and what to expect. I don't know the story, but fmpov, that's what it looks like it was going to be. I didn't know Madara would come back, but I did know that Naruto kept his same goal from Episode 1

ttcchen said:
I'm dropping this and rating it a 6 just like what I did when I first read the manga for the following reasons:

1. the poorly done fanservice.
2. Characters who look like their carbon copy self from Fairy Tail which made it seem as if the author took the short cut in character design rather than putting in effort to create new, original characters
3. abusive females
4. sudden powerups with no backstory and context
5. Lucy (let's just call her that cause i forgot her name) not even bothering to struggle after being tied up (especially after seeing JJK's badass females, seeing her just resigning to her fate just makes me feel iffy)
6. how Happy can get out of the ropes on its own wasn't explained
7. Shiki "fixing" everyone is told rather than shown, so we can't determine on our own whether it's him fixing everyone or their automatic system fixing them

Of course, it might get better later on, but I won't be able to keep watching until who knows when it gets better since this type of shounen isn't my thing. It's so... childish, and bright and happy, and obviously targeting the younger shounen (like MHA) rather than the older ones (like JJK). And unlike MHA which I can keep watching cause the characters are fun and loveable, Eden Zero doesn't have characters interesting enough to keep me watching.

DJK1NG_Gaming said:


aww oioor baby. Do you want Kodansha Weekly Shonen Magazine to apologize for not offering starterpack shonen series that takes place in Tokyo with the male MC being a high school kid with no powers and gain powers in from someone or something in order to survive?

ttcchen said:
lmao you didn't understand a single thing from my post

ttcchen said:
I'm dropping this and rating it a 6 just like what I did when I first read the manga for the following reasons:

1. the poorly done fanservice.
2. Characters who look like their carbon copy self from Fairy Tail which made it seem as if the author took the short cut in character design rather than putting in effort to create new, original characters
3. abusive females
4. sudden powerups with no backstory and context
5. Lucy (let's just call her that cause i forgot her name) not even bothering to struggle after being tied up (especially after seeing JJK's badass females, seeing her just resigning to her fate just makes me feel iffy)
6. how Happy can get out of the ropes on its own wasn't explained
7. Shiki "fixing" everyone is told rather than shown, so we can't determine on our own whether it's him fixing everyone or their automatic system fixing them

Of course, it might get better later on, but I won't be able to keep watching until who knows when it gets better since this type of shounen isn't my thing. It's so... childish, and bright and happy, and obviously targeting the younger shounen (like MHA) rather than the older ones (like JJK). And unlike MHA which I can keep watching cause the characters are fun and loveable, Eden Zero doesn't have characters interesting enough to keep me watching.

DJK1NG_Gaming said:


Oh I did
1. the poorly done fanservice.
oh so now not doing fanservice is a bad thing but doing too much was bad in FT

2. Characters who look like their carbon copy self from Fairy Tail which made it seem as if the author took the short cut in character design rather than putting in effort to create new, original characters

God Forbid an artist to draw their characters the way they want.
Would love to see you read or watch multiple series from a single creator.
Dang why does Akira Toriyama draws his characters the same.

3. abusive females -
How is Rebecca's abusive when she got her boob groped and Shiki look up her skirt? Her reaction and action is justified,

4. sudden powerups with no backstory and context - Shiki inherited and learned Gravity from his Grandpa Ziggy

5. Lucy (let's just call her that cause i forgot her name) not even bothering to struggle after being tied up (especially after seeing JJK's badass females, seeing her just resigning to her fate just makes me feel iffy)
Oh man oh man oh man
Sure do hope you don't look at Haruna from To Love-Ru then look at Kanade from Ayakashi Triangle. And still think Hiro Mashima is the only that does this.
Go educate yourself.

6. how Happy can get out of the ropes on its own wasn't explained
As if a Cat can't scratch the ropes or just watch the next Episode.

7. Shiki "fixing" everyone is told rather than shown, so we can't determine on our own whether it's him fixing everyone or their automatic system fixing them

I guess you will never know since you are dropping it.

Shinuki_n_Reborn said:


Lmao bro i think you watched enough shounen anime to not make such a bizarre comment unless you're straight up trolling:

1. It barely had fanservice, also poorly fanservice don't exist, fanservice is fanservice, you just enjoy or not, also is a Hiro Mashima series.

2. This is a thing going on with Hiro Mashima series, similar character designs, have you ever read/watch a Adachi or Kurumada series? It's basically a trademark, implying that is something about being lazy and etc is stupid to say the least.

3. What abusive females? you literally has the avatar of a series with abusive female characters.

4. Again, you watched enough shounen anime to know that the "mysterious power being achieved by the mc" is something that is connected to the main story and is going to be explained, you know, like Yuuji having literally super strenght and being the only one able to hold Sukuna with no explanation at all in the first episode.

5. Did you watched the episode? she was surrounded by a whole city of robots ready to "kill" her if she tried something, there's no point in trying to do something when she didn't had anything to protect herself and her ship far away

6. Over 300+ series completed and you're actually questioning how the cute pet character that is the comic relief was able to get out of a rope?

7. Again, did you read the subtitles? he never fixed anyone, he just thought that he was doing, it was just a act by the robots lol

You call this childish and pretend you're too mature for it but you're actually doing the most childish complaints that i've seen in a while here kkkk.

ttcchen said:


1. oh so now not doing fanservice is a bad thing but doing too much was bad in FT
i never said not doing fanservice is a bad thing what are you on about?

2. God Forbid an artist to draw their characters the way they want. Would love to see you read or watch multiple series from a single creator. Dang why does Akira Toriyama draws his characters the same.
Sure they can draw their characters however they want. But does the main girl has to be blond and look so similar to Lucy? And Happy???? And the red-haired girl who's practically Erza?? Does he have to give her red hair???
"Would love to see you read or watch multiple series from a single creator." Check out Yu Yu Hakusho and HxH, FMA and Silver Spoon, Death Note and Bakuman, Psychopass and KHR...etc, all pairs mentioned above have the same author, yet the characters are very distinguishable.

3. How is Rebecca's abusive when she got her boob groped and Shiki look up her skirt? Her reaction and action is justified,
what about afterwards when Shiki asked her to be his friend, and she punched him yelling "hell no!!!!" i'd like to see you try and justify this.

4. Shiki inherited and learned Gravity from his Grandpa Ziggy
the power system wasn't explained in the first episode. and im basing my judgement solely on the 1st episode. idc what happens afterwards

5. Oh man oh man oh man Sure do hope you don't look at Haruna from To Love-Ru then look at Kanade from Ayakashi Triangle. And still think Hiro Mashima is the only that does this.
Go educate yourself.
haven't watched these 2. and just because there are a bunch of useless females doesn't make it okay to make a female character useless. especially since it's not even too much to ask for for rebecca to at least struggle against the ropes. im not asking her to bust out of the ropes all by herself. but at least show us her struggling before giving up

6. As if a Cat can't scratch the ropes or just watch the next Episode.
nah. i've already dropped it.

ttcchen said:
i never pretended anything. i said childish because this show is obviously targeting kids. just look at the MAL rating: PG-13 - Teens 13 or older. and MHA rating: PG-13 - Teens 13 or older. same thing. these kind of shows aren't my thing cause their targeting audience is way too young so the writing of the show is obviously not as deep and mature as i wanted it to be, like for JJK which has a rating of: R - 17+ (violence & profanity).

there's nothing wrong with not liking animes targeted for kids. it's just not my thing.

ttcchen said:


2.Sure they can draw their characters however they want. But does the main girl has to be blond and look so similar to Lucy? And Happy???? And the red-haired girl who's practically Erza?? Does he have to give her red hair???

Check out Yu Yu Hakusho and HxH, FMA and Silver Spoon, Death Note and Bakuman, Psychopass and KHR...etc, all pairs mentioned above have the same author, yet the characters are very distinguishable.

3.what about afterwards when Shiki asked her to be his friend, and she punched him yelling "hell no!!!!" i'd like to see you try and justify this.

4. the power system wasn't explained in the first episode. and im basing my judgement solely on the 1st episode. idc what happens afterwards

5.haven't watched these 2. and just because there are a bunch of useless females doesn't make it okay to make a female character useless. especially since it's not even too much to ask for for rebecca to at least struggle against the ropes. im not asking her to bust out of the ropes all by herself. but at least show us her struggling before giving up

6. As if a Cat can't scratch the ropes or just watch the next Episode.
nah. i've already dropped it.

Thetis-Zeta said:


Everyone can have their own but that doesn't prevent those from being wrong.

2- Ok. Lets start with Happy. Happy in FT was never a happy go lucky cute animal in the start like Happy from Edens Zero. In FT happy was introduced as dragging and navigating for a useless Natsu. He was very much a serious deadpan narrator. In Edens Zero he is the complete opposite. The only similarity they have is that both are blue and both have been used as Author's voice piece. Moving on to Erza, ij FT she was a knight in a shining armor, in EZ she is complete opposite. One honors authority while other doesn't. One has strict no killing policy, other kills people without any reason. You can see where I'm going, the only thing they're similar is at surface level. Same for Rebecca and Lucy. Lucy was a rich spoiled princess who complained at every turn, while Rebecca is an orphan who has lead her life herself independently.

No fucking character has been fleshed out from the get go. It simply ain't possible pal.

Moving on to character design, Lucy looks completely different from Rebecca to me. The only similarity to me is that they're big boobied blondes. Similarities in design is intentional because he wants to attract viewers from FT. Character wise though, they're different.

3- Why would a girl want to become a friend with a person who molested her albeit unknowingly?

4- That's kinda dumb reasoning. Most shows don't explain every tiny bits and intricacies about power system from episode 1.Only bare bones description are given. In every single media. For example in MHA, quirks were described (barebones) from the start, but the secrets and intricacies of quirks weren't shown from the first episode. Same was done in JJK. Same is done in EZ. I fail to understand why EZ has a problem, while others don't in your opinion.

A writer would be a complete dumbass with not an ounce of knowledge about scripting and writing if he/she did as you described. Its like basic knowledge about how to write dude.

And even more importantly showing some thing is better than telling. And Mashima did it well.

5-That's a very silly reason to nitpick. Rebecca was most definitely struggling (in the manga atleast) and not every fucking single panel can be animated. She probably stopped struggling after she saw Shiki and the following talk.

6-Sure you can drop it, but you don't have to justify dropping it by giving bad reasons. Just drop it. Still judging from a single episode seems dumb tto me when a story changes so massively subsequently.

ttcchen said:

"Everyone can have their own but that doesn't prevent those from being wrong."
which applies to yourself as well

2. Like you said in num 4, they're not gonna show everything about a character immediately after their introduction. So if you don't make the new characters distinctive enough at first glance, we're obviously going to compare them to their FT counterpart. And if we dislike these characters cause they seem like copies? Then you can't blame me for dropping it before the show gets to the part that shows what makes these characters unique and distinct.

3. Why would a girl punch someone who's simply asking to be her friend? Don't justify abusive behavior. How would you feel if a guy punches a girl for doing the same thing, even if she's molested him before unknowingly?

4. Obviously you don't explain the entire power system right from the getgo, but when your story's genre starts off being sci-fi, don't just suddenly add in fantasy elements at the end without any explanations whatsoever. That's a recipe for disaster.

5. Anime is an adaptation of the manga. If the anime excluded certain panels causing the character to seem useless, then that's definitely not a silly or pointless reason to nitpick. Especially when there are so many useless females in the shounen genre, it's just plain dumb to not animate that panel, if she really did struggle in the manga like you claimed she did.

6. So you're basically telling me I can drop a show but I'm not allowed to state my reasons for dropping this show in a discussion thread aimed for things like this. Okay Karen, why don't you email MAL and make this a rule so the discussion thread can be full of praises and void of any criticisms while you're at it?

lmao imagine thinking it's dumb to drop a series when its first episode is horrible because the later story makes up for a poor first impression. Yeah, tell that to the interviewers next time you interview for a job.

Thetis-Zeta said:


Obviously I can be wrong too as I'm a human. But in this case I'm not.

2. They're distinctive enough in personality and that's something visible from the get go. Even from the introduction you can see the difference between Rebecca and Lucy's personalities. Like I said any visual similarity is intentional to attract the viewers from FT. Level up your reading comprehension.

3. Its the same whether it be for males or females. Rebecca at that moment didn't know that he had never been in proximity to any other human before. Its an instinctive reaction to assault.

4.The explanation was given. Happy gave it.

5. Like I said she probably stopped after she saw Shiki. The first panel of viewers seeing her tied was after Shiki reached to her not before.

6. No I'm not asking you not to give reasons. I'm asking you not to give dumb reasons which are actually not true. Like the "no explanation for power system is given" claim which is blatantly false. Pretending like you have clairvoyance and can understand everything from a single look is all I'm seeing here. You would've understood if you actually bothered to read what I said instead of stopping to name calling.

Your criticisms don't hold much water. Horrible introduction my ass. It established the world, character and power systems while mixing with fairly well done emotional moments.

"Obviously I can be wrong too as I'm a human. But in this case I'm not."
And that's what we're debating here.

2. We haven't known Rebecca enough for her personality to be distinctive enough from Lucy. And not just her, the existence of Happy, and the appearance of the red haired girl who's last name is Crimson just like how Erza's lm is Scarlet made it obvious the author is just recycling character designs to appeal to FT fans. That's just lazy writing. If it was just one character, then I can let it slide, but 3?? And that's not including Happy, who he isn't even trying to hide the fact that he's too lazy to come up with brand new characters. There's a good way to recycle characters, like Osamu Tezuka aka the "God of Manga", but he does it well so for him it's not recycling characters but rather character cameos for the fans.

3. An instinctive reaction to assault? That was before. She punched him before already for the assault. In the friend scene, he did nothing out of the line. All he asked was to be her friend, politely, which didn't warrant her punching him into the air.

4. That's not an explanation for why there's suddenly magic in a what was supposed to be a sci-fi setting. You don't just suddenly have Ender awaken gravity-controlling magical power at the end of Chapter 1 in Ender's Game. You build up to it. You don't just give us a complete sci-fi setting and then suddenly introduce magic to the story at the end with no foreshadowing.

5. Even you had to say "probably" meaning you aren't certain if that's the case. When there are already so many useless females in the shounen genre, you'd think they would make it obvious that Rebecca has struggled off-screen to convince the audience she's not useless like some other female leads.

6. There are no such thing as dumb reasons. A reason is a reason. Applying the adjective "dumb" to a reason is just a subjective opinion of yours. You can call it dumb all you want but that won't make it a fact. Also, 1. all these reasons are what I got from watching episode 1. If they're proven wrong later, then good for EZ, but I'm dropping it anyway since it's not entertaining to me. 2. Most of my reasons apply to only episode 1, like the abusive scene, the struggling scene, and etc.

And the "no explanation for power system is given" also applies to eps 1 only. You really think I expected EZ to not explain its power system in this series at all? EZ's bad but it's not THAT bad. Obviously, I was talking about not giving enough explanations in episode 1 to make it so the magic in the end doesn't seem like it came out of nowhere in a sci-fi setting. "You would've understood if you actually bothered to read what I said instead of stopping to name calling." Funny how you didn't bother carefully reading what I wrote either and jumped into the conclusion that I thought EZ will never explain its power system in the future.

I literally debunked everything you said in your last paragraph. I know you love this show so you're ready to defend it against people who dislikes it. But you gotta stop letting your love for this series cloud your sight. Take a step back and see it from another perspective, and you'll realize it's not the masterpiece you think it is. Or perhaps you're too young to understand what good writing is. If so, I apologize. I hope you'll watch more better written animes in the future and come to realization that EZ's 1st episode is utter shit. Also, no matter what you say you won't convince me to come back and give EZ another try. I read the manga way back then and dropped after they left the planet, and I did the same thing for the anime cause it wasn't any better.

I don't like PG13 animes in the first place since I'm too old for that and the writing just seems so childish and predictable for me. Unless they have fun characters and/or an interesting concept like Fairy Tail and MHA, I usually don't find myself enjoying PG13 series. It's just not my thing. So even if it gets good later on, I won't have the motivation to grind through it since I don't find any characters entertaining and the concept isn't original enough to hook me in.

If you enjoy EZ, good for you, but allow others to dislike and have different opinions and taste in anime. Stop trying to force your love for EZ down my throat. The numerous EZ stans hating on me for not enjoying this show is enough to make me go from disliking it to hating it. Don't be like some toxic MHA fans that drive people away from the series without even bothering to give it a chance simply because the fandom is so terrible and unforgiving to those with different views and opinions.

ttcchen said:

"Obviously I can be wrong too as I'm a human. But in this case I'm not."
And that's what we're debating here.

2. We haven't known Rebecca enough for her personality to be distinctive enough from Lucy. And not just her, the existence of Happy, and the appearance of the red haired girl who's last name is Crimson just like how Erza's lm is Scarlet made it obvious the author is just recycling character designs to appeal to FT fans. That's just lazy writing. If it was just one character, then I can let it slide, but 3?? And that's not including Happy, who he isn't even trying to hide the fact that he's too lazy to come up with brand new characters. There's a good way to recycle characters, like Osamu Tezuka aka the "God of Manga", but he does it well so for him it's not recycling characters but rather character cameos for the fans.

3. An instinctive reaction to assault? That was before. She punched him before already for the assault. In the friend scene, he did nothing out of the line. All he asked was to be her friend, politely, which didn't warrant her punching him into the air.

4. That's not an explanation for why there's suddenly magic in a what was supposed to be a sci-fi setting. You don't just suddenly have Ender awaken gravity-controlling magical power at the end of Chapter 1 in Ender's Game. You build up to it. You don't just give us a complete sci-fi setting and then suddenly introduce magic to the story at the end with no foreshadowing.

5. Even you had to say "probably" meaning you aren't certain if that's the case. When there are already so many useless females in the shounen genre, you'd think they would make it obvious that Rebecca has struggled off-screen to convince the audience she's not useless like some other female leads.

6. There are no such thing as dumb reasons. A reason is a reason. Applying the adjective "dumb" to a reason is just a subjective opinion of yours. You can call it dumb all you want but that won't make it a fact. Also, 1. all these reasons are what I got from watching episode 1. If they're proven wrong later, then good for EZ, but I'm dropping it anyway since it's not entertaining to me. 2. Most of my reasons apply to only episode 1, like the abusive scene, the struggling scene, and etc.

And the "no explanation for power system is given" also applies to eps 1 only. You really think I expected EZ to not explain its power system in this series at all? EZ's bad but it's not THAT bad. Obviously, I was talking about not giving enough explanations in episode 1 to make it so the magic in the end doesn't seem like it came out of nowhere in a sci-fi setting. "You would've understood if you actually bothered to read what I said instead of stopping to name calling." Funny how you didn't bother carefully reading what I wrote either and jumped into the conclusion that I thought EZ will never explain its power system in the future.

I literally debunked everything you said in your last paragraph. I know you love this show so you're ready to defend it against people who dislikes it. But you gotta stop letting your love for this series cloud your sight. Take a step back and see it from another perspective, and you'll realize it's not the masterpiece you think it is. Or perhaps you're too young to understand what good writing is. If so, I apologize. I hope you'll watch more better written animes in the future and come to realization that EZ's 1st episode is utter shit. Also, no matter what you say you won't convince me to come back and give EZ another try. I read the manga way back then and dropped after they left the planet, and I did the same thing for the anime cause it wasn't any better.

I don't like PG13 animes in the first place since I'm too old for that and the writing just seems so childish and predictable for me. Unless they have fun characters and/or an interesting concept like Fairy Tail and MHA, I usually don't find myself enjoying PG13 series. It's just not my thing. So even if it gets good later on, I won't have the motivation to grind through it since I don't find any characters entertaining and the concept isn't original enough to hook me in.

If you enjoy EZ, good for you, but allow others to dislike and have different opinions and taste in anime. Stop trying to force your love for EZ down my throat. The numerous EZ stans hating on me for not enjoying this show is enough to make me go from disliking it to hating it. Don't be like some toxic MHA fans that drive people away from the series without even bothering to give it a chance simply because the fandom is so terrible and unforgiving to those with different views and opinions.

Thetis-Zeta said:


2. Like I said most visual similarity is intentional. Not the other way around. I can't say Lucy looks similar to Rebecca. Both look different enough to me.

Here's lucy from episode 1-

Here's Rebecca from episode 1-

They don't look similar to me. Also there's artstyle to consider. Same face syndrome is prevalent in other works of fiction too. Not exclusive to Mashima. Elsie, Justice and Happy are the only character designs lifted straight off from his previous mangas. And there's a reason for that too. Justice is because Mashima has tradition to use the Sieg-face template, Happy because Mashima always uses the mascot from hia previous work in his new work, like he used plue (from rave master) in fairy tail. Elsie is Erza face because Mashima loved the Erza Jellal romance in FT and wanted to make them enemies.

Everything can't be shown in ep 1, but enough is shown to make both distinct. Rebecca is shown to be carefree and adventurous girl in ep 1. Meanwhile Lucy was shown as a cheap, shrewd and very much entitled. Compare both from ep 1 alone you get 2 completely different sets of personality.

3. Like I said before no one would want to become a friend with a molester and a stalker. I won't so I don't find anything wrong with it. What's even more, Rebecca forgave him and became his friend after the robots told her about him.

4. It is very specifically called science fantasy. Not science fiction. Fantasy is quite literally one of its genres listed.

5. No I said probably because assuming she didn't struggle makes even less sense. The first view we get of her is after Shiki sees her.

6. Happy was used as author's voice piece for exposition. He literally explained what the power was. Also it is a space fantasy. I don't know how it'd be called fantasy if it didn't have elements of fantasy.

I did say if you don't enjoy the show because you find it too childish then I've no problem, but the reasons you listed are not true.

ttcchen said:


2. Like I said there's a good way to copy character design and a bad way. EZ's way is bad and if you want to know why go read my previous replies. Stop trying to argue with me on this. It's a waste of time.

3. like i said, not wanting to be friend with a molester and a stalker doesn't warrant you punching the guy when he was politely asking to be your friend. Rebecca was completely in the wrong in that situation. Stop being all feministic and blaming the guy for everything. Maybe you don't find anything wrong with it cause you're so used to anime girls punching guys around, but you need to take a step back and think of it realistically.

4. being sci-fantasy doesn't justify the poor writing and introduction of the fantasy element in episode 1. LIKE I SAID, Ender's Game can be a sci-fantasy i don't mind that, but I WOULD mind if Ender suddenly awakens magical power out of nowhere. If a show is sci-fan, you gotta foreshadow it, introduce the magical elements early so we aren't taken back when a character suddenly awakens their magical power in a sci-fi setting. Perhaps you're not a writer that's why you can't seem to grasp how badly introduced Shiki's power is. If so, just drop this topic. Stop this pointless argument.

5. Assuming she didn't struggle makes perfect sense in the shounen genre where females tend to be useless.

6. I literally explained this in 4. You don't just suddenly point out at the very end of an episode "oh you thought this is sci-fi with robots and space? guess what, there's this thing called Ether aka magic that you can use to do magical thing! voila!" You foreshadow it early on. Don't suddenly give the mc magical power when he's in a pinch. This is what I meant by not explaining the power system. You're supposed to explain the magical aspect early on so when Shiki awakens it it's not just deus ex machina.

Happy's explanation which is like 3 sentences long isn't "explaining the power system" of this show. Go watch Naruto of even MHA for proper introduction to power systems. And having the fantasy tag doesn't justify a poor introduction to the fantasy element. Plus, not everyone reads tags. You think Japanese audience who just turned on their TV and found this show and decided to watch it would care to look up the tags of this show and find out it's sci-fi + fantasy?

"but the reasons you listed are not true."
lmao, literally debunked everything.

I don't know why you're insisting on forcing your opinions on me. I'm sick of having to read your essay of argument and write my own essay of argument every day for a show I dislike. I already told you I don't enjoy EZ and no matter what reason you throw at me I won't enjoy it. So why keep this debate going and making me remember an anime I dislike which I'm now starting to hate cause you keep on wanting to change my opinion of it? Is it because I'm being civilized and reasonable that's why you think you can change my mind? Should I act like a troll so you will ignore me and we both can go our merry ways?

Just agree to disagree or use your stupid head and understand you justifying abusive female behavior and poor writing is plain wrong and childish and shows how inexperienced you are. Go read and write more stories before arguing with me what good writing is, and go get punched hard by a girl before telling me Shiki deserved that punch. Honestly, I'm busy and stressed enough everyday without having to write essays of argument. If your next reply is still gonna be a repeat of everything you just said as if you haven't even bothered to read and understand my side of the argument at all, then I'll just ignore you 😊

Thetis-Zeta said:


I mean you've been blatantly dishonest at every turn of this argument.

There was no fucking foreshadowing in MHA. First thing we see is Deku getting beaten up by a boy with exploding hands, and another with wings while being called quirkless. After that there was just an expostion sequence. If you have a problem with fantasy anime using fantastical elements, just stop watching any fantasy. Eden's zero is a fantasy anime. You don't get talking cats in science fiction. And not only that you shifted goal post from "its a sci-fi" (which isn't true) to "who looks at genre tags.

From the very first I've told you that visual similarities are intentional as in he wanted the characters to look similar. Lucy and Rebecca gave me 2 vastly different impressions from their first showing. Even then they look quite different to me. Different mangas by the author having characters with visual similarities is happening in entire industry. I'm an artist and I know how hard it is to draw different faces when you've become used drawing the same face/s for an entire decade. Similarities are bound to happen, though I understand why it might look a copout to some. Its easier for an artist to draw things he/she is familar with. I've no problem problem with this happening, especially given the fact that Mashima is the hardest working mangaka in the industry.

You must have either never seen FT if you think Lucy and Rebecca gave the same impression in their first showings or actually lying. From the start their personalities are vastly different, that much is visible in the very first episode. I listed the differences in earlier post which you probably skimmed.

And don't get me started on "its shown as sci-fi". Blatantly untrue. The first scene we see is a dragon flying away and about a being called mother who can grant every wish. There are even fucking talking cats in it. Are they sci-fi elements to you? Power system was introduced fine enough. Everyone knew from the start that it is a fantasy anime. And the power system was introduced as in that it was first shown instead of giving an exposition. People don't need to be told every single thing that happens, its simple enough to any viewer that it is just another magic system out there. Things aren't overly complex and the complex part if any can be told afterwards. The only things needed to be told is what kind of power (Gravity) it was. And that information was given to us too. Through happy again. Visuals are immersive experiences. If a writer can show what he wants by "showing" instead of "telling" he is a good writer not a bad. Shows how much you know about scripting or writing when you don't know the basics of it.

A molester asks the girl he molested that he wants to become her friend. And the girl has no right to be angry at him for touching her private parts and be absolutely happy about it. If she punches him she's "abusive". That's exactly the logic you're giving.

It makes perfect sense she was probably struggle off panel because that is exactly what happened in the manga. She struggled to untie herself, but wasn't able to because it was too tight. Given the 2 options any person with half a brain would be able to understand that not everything could be shown because they had to adapt an 80 page chapter into an episode. Bits and pieces which aren't very important had to be cut.

I never started this argument to change your views about Edens Zero and make you watch it. I replied to you because you kept lying again and again.

You're using the same repeated and tired arguments again without bothering to read any thing and resorting to name calling and still tell others that they didn't read your argument when all you've been doing is blather the same thing over and over again. Even when given justifiable reasons you chose to ignore them.

Calling others childish, toxic, stupid shows me how "mature" you are. Is that what you call "Civilised"? I'm done with this disingenuous shit.

ttcchen said:

LMAO, once again, you proved you didn't even bother to understand my side of the argument and just kept repeating the same shit over and over again. Honestly, what was I expecting from someone who just joined not long ago and have only read 1 manga and gave EZ a 10/10? I should have known this is the kind of argument a hardcore fanboy of EZ is capable of providing. Well, good day to you. Don't bother replying since we're both obviously done with this shit.

dark-chaos said:
meh another boring Fairy Tail first drop as I excepted

Nurguburu said:
Meh, it wasn't that baaad after Fairy Tail disastrous writing but it wasn't good either. Even Shiki and Rebecca motivations are bland as fuck. And the beginning was rushed.

Also, it looks like Edens Zero isn't popular (no, stop blaming Netflix jail) due to the majority of people got traumatized by Fairy Tail awful writing and the recycled designs didn't help either. They only exist to appeal to Fairy tail's fanbase.