Can someone explain to me why people defend episode one as if its anything other than fetish bait?

iorn said:


Look kid I get it you're 14 like going on 4chan a lot. Perhaps you don't have many friends I don't know but covering sensitive topics in fictional media without any restraint or any real respect for what your covering is something that doesn't really deserve to be offended.


If someone wants to use rape for a cheap shock in an attempt to get people more invested in their show then the people who watch that show should have every right to call that person out on their insensitivity.

Claiming that people aren't allowed to be offended by a story is like saying people aren't allowed to feel sad when their favorite character dies. The fact is fictional media has the power to evoke emotions in people positive or negative and saying that they don't have a right to feel those emotions just shows that you're a prick that can't stand it when someone has an opinion that doesn't align with your own.


I never called the people who like this show rape lovers. If I had to use a term to describe the fans of this show I would describe them as ignorant, childish, edgy and, apathetic all of which are traits that can be assigned to goblin slayer itself.

SuperSeth00 said:


The funny part is how they can't even emotionally comprehend it happening, so they just get triggered and say it's just for shock value.

oguba said:
Puhaha. I love watching people getting triggered just from a scene in an anime.

SuperSeth00 said:


The funny part is how they can't even emotionally comprehend it happening, so they get triggered and say it's just for shock value.

oguba said:


I'm sorry gramps. I love you but I'm 21 years old. I'm not a kid anymore, okay? Please don't call me a kid or I will be sad. You wouldn't want your youngers to be sad, would you?

Sorry I'm a prick. Because I don't get triggered by something fictional. You'll still love me, right?

Come on. Now you're just being a hypocrite here. First you say that I'm a prick and can't stand the idea of people having different opinions from me. Then you insult the people who likes the show? Because you don't like it? Get off your high horse and stop calling people a prick, while you're the one who is being one.

I still love you tho gramps. Don't worry.

luinthoron said:

You know, you bring out a fair point here. It's just one very short scene in the whole episode, and we're discussing it in this thread as if nothing else happened in the whole episode. When you really think about this, it's more than ridiculous...

iorn said:
Because nothing else of note happened in that episode?

oguba said:

Well no I didn't call you a prick for not being offended by a fictional event. I called you a prick because you were acting like people didn't have a right to be offended by a fictional event because it was fake. After that I went on to state that fictional media has the power to evoke emotions out of people even when said story is lazy giving insight as to why I feel you're wrong.

Defending something by saying "It's fake so there's no reason to be offended by it" justifies toddler con, it justifies rape hentai, it justifies movies and tv shows that joke about suicide and domestic abuse as if they aren’t real issues. It's a lazy way to keep people from criticizing something.


Not to mention




"First you say that I'm a prick and can't stand the idea of people having different opinions from me. Then you insult the people who likes the show? Because you don't like it?"

No I called the people who liked the show ignorant, childish, edgy and, apathetic because those are the traits that have been staples of the goblin slayer community.

They screech about how people don't have a right to be offended by the rape scene and that anyone that was is a snowflake < Ignorant and apathetic to the feelings of others.


They constantly snap at anyone who says goblin slayer is a bad anime as if saying goblin slayer is a bad anime is breaking one of the ten commandments < Childish



They write vrious edgy fan fictions < Edgy

iorn said:
Why are people trying to justify a scene that clearly shows no respect for the subject matter it's dealing with?

MysteriousBanana said:

Because people like yourself essentially keep demanding justification?

Let me say that I agree with the sentiment that it's not necessary to include rape to illustrate how evil the goblins are. That being said, it's not unnecessary to include rape illustrate how evil the goblins are.

Fact of the matter is the anime (and most TV shows, movies, novels, comics, etc.) shows no respect for the subject of murder either; showing people screaming while they're being tortured, murdered, and/or eaten is also purely for shock value, it is fundamentally no different than showing rape for shock value. Having the Sword Maiden act insecure and fearful because she was raped is no different than having Goblin Slayer act like a borderline-autistic psychopath because he witnessed his sister's rape and murder; they're both characterizations that are fundamentally insensitive and disrespectful to survivors of their respective violent crimes.

So if it's okay to show murder and its effects in such a narratively-convenient way, there's no reason why rape can't receive the same treatment. If you disagree, could you explain why? Is there something about rape that makes you feel like it deserves to be treated with greater respect than murder?

oguba said:


Aww, your reply was a lot calmer than I thought it would be. Disappointed :(

But gramps, I have a question for you. Did you meet everyone who likes GS? You said community. That must mean you met everyone who likes it, right? Tell me about your experience. How was it? Meeting every single one of them. It must have took some time. Getting to know every single fan, learning all of them are ignorant runts, edgy teenagers or soulless barrels. TELL ME, TELL ME, TELL ME... please

And fyi, I never said you're not allowed to get offended. But you were having an emotional breakdown gramps. I got scared for your health there. But you seem to be better now.

Btw I laughed when I saw that Seven Deadly Sins reference. It was a good one, I'll give you that. I love you even more now for using SDS reference.

seyusx said:
Here we go again people being too triggered with anime

SuperSeth00 said:


It's kind of sad tbh. All the vulgarity plays well into the story, but they can't handle it.

iorn said:
Sorry I was huffing paint thinner I needed to lower my iq so I could understand your inane argument.

Anyway, do you really want me to explain the difference between murder and rape?

MysteriousBanana said:

For all your claims that you weren't triggered or offended by the rape, your obsession with bringing up this topic and resorting to insults without provocation are proof otherwise.

That aside, answer the question as it was asked, don't twist it around with a strawman in that pathetic attempt to deflect.

iorn said:
Yes clearly someone like me can't handle rape in fiction when one of my favorite character in anime is Hanma Yujiro a mass murderer, rapist and, child abuser. <All of which were things he did on screen.

No no really go on your argument makes sense and is in no way stupid.

oguba said:

I guess you don't know what an implication is oh well.

I have yet to meet a goblin slayer fan who wasn't obnoxious, I have yet to meet a goblin slayer fan who acknowledged the flaws of the show, I have yet to meet a goblin slayer fan who doesn't endlessly try to justify the rape in episode one when it served no purpose and didn't serve to better the story, I have yet to meet a goblin slayer fan when I point out the shows various flaws.


Fair I didn't meet every goblin slayer fan but considering this show is clearly marketed towards teens around the age of 14-16 I don't have much faith in the fanbase acting mature. What I'm saying is as follows.

I'm sure there are good goblins out there. But like Goblin slayer says it's not worth the effort to go looking for them because most of them are pretty shit.

iorn said:
Yes clearly someone like me can't handle rape in fiction when one of my favorite character in anime is Hanma Yujiro a mass murderer, rapist and, child abuser. <All of which were things he did on screen.

No no really go on your argument makes sense and is in no way stupid.

iorn said:

"Considering the goblins are all born evil and they don't know any better that would liken them all to animals more than humans. So they're not really moral agents. It would be like if you hated tigers for the fact that they maul people."

I said many times that there's not really a reason to hate the goblins because they're a lot like cats or other animals that play with the things they victimize, The only thing is the goblins do it out of malice which you can't blame them for because they're literally all born that way. They don't become evil in response to their own decisions in life; they're simply born evil from the second they spawn from a woman. That makes them hard to hate because they're like animals they're acting on their base instincts and they don't know anything else unless they're taught it.

iorn said:
Why are people trying to justify a scene that clearly shows no respect for the subject matter it's dealing with?

If you're wondering why I'm saying that I'll explain.

The rape was only there for shock value it served no purpose it served no reason

It didn't teach us anything deeper about the world, nor did it allow us to experience it in a new light, it didn't say anything deeper about the characters, all it was, was a lazy attempt at shocking the viewer so they would side with goblin slayer....

The goblins gleeful chopping the guys hand off told us "Hay this race is pretty fucked up and since all of them act like this chances are the world would be a better place without them." And the creator could have left it at that but he had to include graphic rape to do what? To be shocking? To say "Hay we can be like beserk" minus the world/character building and good artwork? To say "Hay you already had a reason to hate this species but you should hate them even more now that they're rapists" As if making a race that kidnaps and tortures children can be made anymore irredeemable with the inclusion of rape.


So I ask again. Why do people defend episode one?

luinthoron said:

This opinion of yours says a lot more about you than about the episode/series. Clearly it's not the episode being fetish bait, but rather your personal overly strong interest in only this part of the episode, to the extent that this was the only bit you cared about.

KingDragoYT said:


1) To show that the goblins are cruel creatures thus creating hatred towards them 2) Explaining the fact that there arent female goblins to mate with and reproduce for their specie, they have the tendency to rape women. Its certainly is for shock factor, though its not purely for that.

Reload said:

Three points I tried to explain to @papsoshea, but I couldn't say it better myself. Regardless, haters are still stuck on how the goblins were written when the story is about how our MCs kill them. Imagine this being about a hunter who kills tigers because they mauled his sister and took their time before killing her. There can only be a villain of a story if it's the same character who committed the crime. In this case, it'd have to be the very tiger(s) who killed his sister and not the species as a whole. Is every tiger supposed to be the villain of the story? I think the audience might even make the hunter out to be the villain if he's the cause of their extinction. Don't sell the audience short. Sword Maiden herself became a villain even though she was a victim.

Everyone should really look past episode 1 already. We watch the series because we want to see how the hunter eliminates his targets. Not all of his methods are the same. What makes a story interesting is the different developments. Rape isn't in all of them, as this thread only concerns episode one. The MC does not wish to be reminded of why he's gone on his quest for vengeance. His only thoughts are preventing it from happening again to the best of his ability. He's not OP, so he'll get KO'd from time to time. His luck if he survives after that, else his efforts end there.

As you can see, I ramble a lot. Just glad I'm not the only one who took these lines of thought; even if they contradict each other. Fans aren't saying rape isn't used for shock value here, but it's implementation was for more than just that. Say the tigers took human form, then they could obviously do more than kill and eat human prey. Goblin Slayer left nothing out when it came to possibilities. Only problem was that it was revealed too soon. The shock value came from the timing; not the act alone. There wouldn't be so many threads about episode one if how goblins multiplied was revealed later in the story. If anything, revealing it episode one is just a way of saying "this is the world they live in" and that this is something the MC is aware of while the ignorant still adventure with there very lives on the line. Most adventurers would rule out rape, but it's still a possibility with humanoid monsters. Lives are not the only thing at stake here, and rape makes a point of that. Sorry, still rambling. I'll stop now.

Jfs_Jfsjfsjfs said:
Do I am the only person who didnt care about that rape scene?, when I watch that scene My reaction was like "ok" XD
and Im not even sure why I post this comment :v

papsoshea said:
... Stop tagging me or commenting on my stuff when you make arguments or points that have nothing to do with what my arguments or points. You make mountains out of molehills, and take things literally out of context.

"As you can see, I ramble a lot. Just glad I'm not the only one who took these lines of thought; even if they contradict each other"

And you wonder why I ignore you, like that time when you think using your imagination to connect dots on the author's behalf to make sense of things in this fictional world. Look at your own words.

papsoshea said:


Literally laughing out loud and face-palming at the same time. Are you ignoring the in-world facts that ALL goblins in Goblin Slayer are vile creatures who have to commit acts of terror to evolve? That their race can only survive by raping women because goblins can only be born male + there are no female goblins? In this example, is retarded beyond belief to make this comparison because all tigers are not genetically designed like the goblins in Goblin Slayer.

papsoshea said:

papsoshea said:

Episode 1 is the only reason this series blew up. And episode 1 gives all the examples of why this anime feels like an edgy teen wrote it. Plus, this is a thread about episode 1, that would be more appropriate to say in a Goblin Slayer thread that has nothing to do with rape and episode 1.

papsoshea said:

Who is 'we' huh? What an artificial reason for watching something like this.

papsoshea said:


You wouldn't be able to prove that GS isn't a [mary sue], that he isn't a walking Deus ex Machina - you know? GS is the one explained in the story to be the only piece that the gods can't roll the dice on because he negates their roll despite rolling a nat 1 himself. These 'gods' created this world, they determine the fates of every piece (characters/NPC's) on the board. GS and his party have the thickest plot [armor] where the author only made it thin once to pull off a "never give up, back from the brink of death" troupe in episode 7 and the consequences of that were solved off-screen by Deus ex Machina (resurrection spell) in episode 8. NEXT!

papsoshea said:


Wrong! The only reason was to shock the audience, to pull them in. This is an argument that has been beaten many times already. The [author] gave every reason (genetically) for the goblins to rape, and the way it was used was to vilify them - acting as if there were no other way OR else it would have presented rape much differently, therefore, rape is only here to shock beause it sure as hell ain't here for any other reason than that.

...

Here's the kicker! Sword-Maiden wasn't raped in this present timeline but she is finally a character, who wasn't a victim of rape who was disposabls. So how does the story delve into her psychological trauma and PTSD?



^ This kills any serious moment with her in episode 9. The story makes fan service out of her traumatic past. Could you imagine a victim of rape on 60 minutes, telling her experience while all the cameras are focusing on her tits while the victim of rape is sounding like she is trying to seduce the interviewer? This is tonal dissonance!

papsoshea said:




Really? Then why are those elements selectively applied to everyone outside of the main cast and GS's harem of anime beauties? More like, we don’t need this show to shout “look how disturbing this is” in our faces to have a reaction. Doing so is weak execution that doesn’t place enough faith in its audience. It’s making a scene artificially darker for no reason other than being edgy - and that is what rape essentially is in Goblin Slayer, cheap shock value!

If the dark elements (rape, excessive torture, traumatized characters) could be removed and the story would be exactly the same, then those elements probably shouldn’t be included in the first place. Doing otherwise tends to lead the story to treat being dark as a goal in and of itself rather than a means to an end. That’s not to say being dark is inherently bad; if it’s woven in as a part of the world and atmosphere the story is trying to create, grim dark concepts can be mesmerizing. The key distinction lies in the answer to this question - is this a dark story, or a story that wants to be dark? The former type treats darkness as a matter of fact like it’s just another element of the story being told. The latter takes a more typical story outline and starts artificially adding in darker elements as a central part of the story. Its rendering its darker moments as nothing more than unpleasant asides that are meant to add seasoning to a story. The problem is, too much seasoning ends up overwhelming the [flavor] of the dish. Goblin Slayer’s reliance on adding in darkness makes the show so unpleasant and unsubtle that it gets in the way of enjoying what would otherwise be a simple story (still filled with flaws - world building, characterization etc). To me, relying on artificially added darkness only makes Goblin Slayer's story seem immature and manipulative, not smarter or more mature.

Goblin Slayer isn’t even unique in its flaws; there are plenty of stories, anime or otherwise, that run into the exact same problem of being dark for no reason other than being dark (edgy). So let's not pretend that every argument made here is a 100% a blind hate crusade...

iorn said:
"How the goblins were written"

The goblins [weren't] written at all; they were copy and pasted, and given one adjective instead of multiple.

iorn said:
Why are people trying to justify a scene that clearly shows no respect for the subject matter it's dealing with?

If you're wondering why I'm saying that I'll explain.

The rape was only there for shock value it served no purpose it served no reason

JohnMcClane said:
Wow, there sure is a bunch of SJW/PC cry babies in here. Look, there was a warning. If you're complaining after the warning it's on you. If you're saying "Well, I shouldn't have to not watch it, because it wasn't essential to the story". Who are you to tell some one how to express themselves in art, and entertainment? Don't get Salty butt hurt after a clear warning. Move on with your life, watch another anime. Don't get on your moral soap box and start acting holier than thou.


Stop raiting anime that you've never finished, or not done airing. That just shows serious "mah fweelings are hurt"

StodOne said:
It actually serves a purpose , the entire goblin slayer describes consequences of war in a detail like no other anime showed , you are probably from USA or something where you never experienced anything like that , from my point of view it just shows what war brings , even the scene where goblin slayer himself explains "I in turn am a goblin to them" is a horrible truth about war , there is no good side in war , where I am from my people got slaughtered raped , so did the other side experience same thing , out of revenge and greed , war brings terrible things and that is the message of this show if you cant take it then go watch something else

leev said:
Fetish bait? I think you're the one sick in the head. Whats wrong with trying to sell shock value? not everything has to be spoonfed to you in the first 23 minutes. If you think that way then thats your preference. Lots of people people dont have a problem with it. Instead, people have problems having too much blood and a rape scene in their anime. Youre entitled to have your preference but I strongly disagree it was a fetish bait