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| Wow, this was a really good episode. I wasn't expecting to feel for Moca so much. She gets her date but isn't happy about it, and they can't go any further because she's too "special" to Mugi ... their relationship really is an interesting one. Moca actually seems like the most "normal" of them all really, crushing on someone so badly then just going for what she wants. She's OK with her fantasy being just that - and not to mention the end where she's clearly trying to get over him! Meanwhile Hanabi realizes that she isn't getting what she wants from that other guy. Anyway looks like both Hanabi and Mugi are gonna have to confess so ... that should be interesting :P |
| i still don't understand the point of that loli, to prove further that Mugi is terrible? i'm glad Moca walked away. god please don't let Hana end up with Mugi. that's my only wish from this anime |
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| Moca is so fucking annoying. I usually love loli characters but she's annoying as fuck. It would've been better if he got to fuck her. Because fuck her. He saw her tits and stank pussy and said, 'No.' I hope Moca learns to love herself, get over her fantasy, find someone new or whatever. I'm just tired of her elementary school crush on Mugi and I hate Mugi. |
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| I'm kind of confused by the animosity Moca is getting from you guys. I've generally seen her as just an annoying friend, but I don't think she has given us any reason to hate her. She certainly hasn't done anything bad. owlpoop said: i still don't understand the point of that loli, to prove further that Mugi is terrible? i'm glad Moca walked away. god please don't let Hana end up with Mugi. that's my only wish from this anime It's hard to speculate about the intention of her writing and I don't think it's really relevant. Think to the moment we see Moca and what she does for the plot. For instance, she confronts Hanabi about Mugi, which prompts Ecchan to advance her feelings for Hanabi. As we also saw this episode, she is reflecting Mugi's guilt, but also exposing him as somewhat of a scumbag. Moreover, she introduces some of Mugi's past, which further builds his and her own character. |
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Tokoya said: Moca is probably one of the only characters that I never really cared about and I still don't lol This. I don't get her point in this series unless it's to show that Mugi does actually have a lot of self restraint and a developed moral compass. The other option is that she's there to please a certain demographic that likes their girls young and dressed up like little dolls. |
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| This episode is the conclusion of Moca's involvement in the story (or in the anime, at least). If she wasn't given one then it would be a total waste to even introduce her in the series especially since she is one of the secondary main characters. So I guess that it makes sense to give her this. I'm glad they did though, cause goddamn her voice and her image annoy me. I don't think it's boring. A fair amount of character development makes me happy. |
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Saucy said: owlpoop said: i still don't understand the point of that loli, to prove further that Mugi is terrible? i'm glad Moca walked away. god please don't let Hana end up with Mugi. that's my only wish from this anime It's hard to speculate about the intention of her writing and I don't think it's really relevant. Think to the moment we see Moca and what she does for the plot. For instance, she confronts Hanabi about Mugi, which prompts Ecchan to advance her feelings for Hanabi. As we also saw this episode, she is reflecting Mugi's guilt, but also exposing him as somewhat of a scumbag. Moreover, she introduces some of Mugi's past, which further builds his and her own character. that was interesting to read, thank you for your insight! i'd like to believe that "it" was how Moca doesn't want Mugi's love anymore. or is that too much to hope for? i certainly don't really like her character because lolis are annoying but i definitely don't hate her, she's probably the only semi-"good" character in this anime |
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owlpoop said: that was interesting to read, thank you for your insight! i'd like to believe that "it" was how Moca doesn't want Mugi's love anymore. or is that too much to hope for? i certainly don't really like her character because lolis are annoying but i definitely don't hate her, she's probably the only semi-"good" character in this anime I'd have to think about it more and maybe watch the scenes again, but my general feeling is that she doesn't want to love Mugi anymore. She never had his love to begin with, but because she is used to getting what she wants, Moca thinks she can make him love her. Of course, we know love isn't that easy. We don't just get to say that we don't love someone anymore, but maybe her leaving him in the theatre was really her leaving her feelings for good. Her inner monologue was her giving into lust even when she knows he doesn't love her. The way Mugi acted on the date and the was he was very cautious in bed, I think, signalled to Moca that he really wasn't in love with her, but rather wanted to make her feel special because he values their friendship. Maybe then she realized that it's not fair and not really possible to make people love you if they don't. She can't get what she wants and I think she decided to abandon what she wants altogether. Someone mentioned that this is the end of her arc, and it's possible because it seemed rather conclusive, but I have a feeling that we will see her again. |
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| Ohhh.....so Moca's was not really a pure princess, but had a WMD 'girls tears' using which she manipulated to her favour. *something breaks* Really good to see that Moca is agirl that built a fantasy of her future romance setting, but once she tasted it, she wanted more. But she's also the girl who wanted it whole and not left-overs. She understood that she had always been a special girl who he won't defile, so she rather not have a 'pity parting memory'. Lol, that end proclaimation, that does not bodes well.....knowing this show... |
| Lol she forgot the name of the person she dated. Seriously tho, I really like Moka. |
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| That girl has learned a valuable life lesson. Which oddly makes her a lot more mature than Mugi. |
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| realized today how much i love the ost of this series, not only the op and ed who are amazing in their own right but the ost itself complements the scenes brilliantly and gives those already gorgeus visuals so much atmosphere to work with. if the quality holds up till the end and especially if the conclusion is great this will probably go down as a 9/10 in my books. |
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JumBoRGiNo said: I'm starting to think wtf is this anime becoming. its so unrealistic that i cant help it but it is beautiful nonetheless. I'm glad they equality cheated on each other without going too far so they can learn from their mistakes and oh god I hope the obvious ending comes through and they end up together if not then at least stay single without showing with whom they end up with. Signed in just to point out how wrong you are. It's quite realistic. Humans are complex beings. While on the outside someone in love may be cute, each person has a different story to tell. |
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| From the first episode this story gets only more and more complicated, but just more interesting. Pretty strange anime, but actually quite good. Makes me look at characters on aspects I haven't noticed before. LOL, the plot were even more complicated that described in the description. In this ep. Moca get to go on date with her prince, Mugi. But the poor little girl don't get the same response from Mugi, even in bed. That must be heartbreaking at it worst. Both Mugi and Hanabi is going to reveal their feelings to their lovers. Now this is going to be interesting. I am really wondering how Akane is going to respond it. That is the most interesting part. Will she use him for her own advantage or will she just reject him since she have no interest in him. I can't wait to watch the outcome. |
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| I love how Moca said she was dressing up for herself, it felt powerful... And polar-opposite parent... guess that could explain it  Does this show remind anyone else of Aku no Hana... they sorta have the same vibe to them. |
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| Moca's single strands of faded red hair highlights at 2:02 are awesome. T'is why I love this show's art style. The little details are sweet. |
VKDOOM said: Just because the show is darker and cynical doesnt make it more realistic especially with how edgy and soulless its characters are. This. Sardoodledom. |
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| Muh Moca :( guess this is the end of her arc. Well time to see some heartbreaking moment next week. |
| I think it's cool that Moca got fleshed out more in this episode. I used to think that she was weird and annoying, with few interesting qualities. But, It's starting to seem like she's the closest to becoming sensible out of all the characters. I like Moca more after this episode, but it's kind of hard to get over her annoying voice. I find it to be overly high and screechy, and every time she talks it's like little pins piercing my eardrums. |
sobanoodleMar 1, 2017 10:36 AM
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VKDOOM said: Just because the show is darker and cynical doesnt make it more realistic especially with how edgy and soulless its characters are. That's a good point. Kuzu no Honkai probably just appears more realistic than it is, because it resonates on a newer personal level with the audience than others of the genre. Bad qualities and questionable desires are typically glossed over in romance anime, but this focuses on the darker side of the human psyche. Most romances that I've seen depict the characters as bright, noble, and pure. These are all just as realistic human qualities, but this take might seem a bit whitewashed and even shallow because these are traits that people generally like to show on the surface. |
sobanoodleMar 1, 2017 6:30 PM
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| Interesting as always |
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| Damn each episode is epic! Hanabi wasting her time because of her stubborn pride. Mugi can't do it with Moka because she's like a fragile thing that he could not taint. So the two is planning to tell their loved ones how they truly feel and if both would get rejected they would start over and date for real?!? I wonder how that would work-out...I think it's not that easy, especially if both are young infidels! 5/5. |
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| What is the name of the song playing in the background during the part where she holds his hand in the movies? (around the 7 minute mark). It uses a similar voice effect as Oratorio (The World God Only Knows OP), but something tells me it's not made by Oratorio. |
| ANIME LOGIC: It's bad to be a lesbian but it's PERFECTLY FINE TO FUCK YOUR OWN COUSIN. Gay is bad but incest and pedophillia are A-OK! LOL Sanae's hat says SCUM's WISH! I like Atsuya's character but I feel like they're trying too desperately to pair up everyone. Like since Sanae and Hanabi will never end up together, no matter how much people ship them, they're throwing Sanae a bone (a.k.a. Atsuya) just so that she ends up with someone. They don't even give her a female character, they throw her a guy and I am sure they're going to force her to be in a "normal" heterosexual relationship. Mugi is finally fucking the slut of his dreams. |
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| That mind-breaking monologue from Hanabi. Someone, please save her poor mind. |
Bibimbapski said: ANIME LOGIC: It's bad to be a lesbian but it's PERFECTLY FINE TO FUCK YOUR OWN COUSIN. Gay is bad but incest and pedophillia are A-OK! LOL Sanae's hat says SCUM's WISH! I like Atsuya's character but I feel like they're trying too desperately to pair up everyone. Like since Sanae and Hanabi will never end up together, no matter how much people ship them, they're throwing Sanae a bone (a.k.a. Atsuya) just so that she ends up with someone. They don't even give her a female character, they throw her a guy and I am sure they're going to force her to be in a "normal" heterosexual relationship. Mugi is finally fucking the slut of his dreams. I think you commented in the wrong episode thread. |
Lararin said: blixie said: Somehow it still feels like Moca has no personality even after having an episode to herself. She never even really gives a reason for why she wants Mugi, and not anyone else. All that she's admitted to is that she likes being pampered. I feel like Moca likes Mugi because he's always been around, always been one of the guys closest/kindest to her and at some point that developed into "love". It screams teenage love/young love to me and I know she feels trapped now but I'm pretty sure 10 years from now when she's grown up and in college or out working she'll meet other guys who can make her feel more like a princess and who she'll actually share more with. I actually think Hanabi is similar, but I understand how it feels. I think you're right about how her feelings towards Mugi developed into love. The thing is, she is projecting her desires onto him, where it is more like she is in love with herself, not Mugi. Perhaps she is in love with what Mugi can represent for her, a prince, and it seems like the way she lives in a dream prevents her from living in acceptance with the fact that Mugi is no prince. Or, perhaps she knows but pretends it is not true because it is not what she wants from him. Moca, inside, knows this and knows a lot more than we all thought, but she continues to live this dream and pretend it is not happening because reality is that everyone is messed up including herself. And this is not something she wants to present. In the date, she kept mentioning how cute she looked, what she wanted to do and she watched the movie she wanted, she held his hand. She did all these things normal girls would do on a date and tell themselves. It is one of the many messed up manifestations of love in this series, where you don't even really love that person but you love what they can offer you. This is why, I think, Moca was crying at the end when she did not get what she wanted. Obviously, it was rejection, yet in the end it was that Mugi could not give her what she wanted to receive from him. Similarly, Moca did not look at Mugi throughout their date, and it really is because if she were to look into his eyes she would see that he is perhaps not enjoying himself, see that he does not love her. It sort of takes her out of this dream where she can just look forward and fantasize how he is looking at her, fantasize about his reactions rather than look. She would see the person she is spending time with and come out of her unreachable dream of becoming a perfect princess, living a perfect life, being loved anda adored. In the end, Moca does everything to satisfy her wishes of hiding the wretched person she knows she is; disguise herself, so that she can be satisfied with herself. |
EarlCielMar 9, 2017 6:03 PM
| An "ornament not meant to be touched"... perfect description for Moca. What a relief, they stopped. Another 5/5 episode. |
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MaahHeim said: Akane's POV and Hanabi's POV are my favourite so far. When they're both are deceiving/trying to seduce/seducing men is just hgnghgnhgng <3 I couldn't agree more lmfaooo. Also, I'm glad that both Mugi and Hanabi finally figured out that they both needed to confess and be rejected in order to finally move on. Oh, and Moca is just absolutely pitiable. |
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Mormegil said: Bibimbapski said: ANIME LOGIC: It's bad to be a lesbian but it's PERFECTLY FINE TO FUCK YOUR OWN COUSIN. Gay is bad but incest and pedophillia are A-OK! LOL Sanae's hat says SCUM's WISH! I like Atsuya's character but I feel like they're trying too desperately to pair up everyone. Like since Sanae and Hanabi will never end up together, no matter how much people ship them, they're throwing Sanae a bone (a.k.a. Atsuya) just so that she ends up with someone. They don't even give her a female character, they throw her a guy and I am sure they're going to force her to be in a "normal" heterosexual relationship. Mugi is finally fucking the slut of his dreams. I think you commented in the wrong episode thread. Oops sorry for that lol |
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| The loves is bling, and Moca with Mugi is the same, for she loses his chasity with Mugi is not important although there isn´t corresponded love!!! Mugi could have pofited of Moca, but ends stopped...nice or not, is possible to Moca in this time is not well, but in a future will thank him....because the life is large and is full of possibilities!!! |
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| Despite considering Moca an annoying character she was the first to have the balls to let go and for that i applaud her |
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| It's kinda clear that Mugi really have a thing for his senpai, he always think of her during the sex time...I am glad he didn't keep going with Moka, she is such a nice girl. She didn't deserve to be just one more replacement. |
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| I finally actually liked a character in this episode. Moca's mindset and how it faltered, I kinda love her sort of mini character arc here. |
| Pretty great development actually, even though the whole thing gives me mixed feelings, it's nice to see their own thought pattern! Let's see what's next though. |
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