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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- It was pretty good, quite enjoyed that. The coffee lady surprised me O_o |
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| Haha. I was suprised to:P |
| That was very strange but quite good, I figured she was an android but not like that, quite neat. |
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| That was awesome and the ending was surprising. |
mitamaking said: That was very strange but quite good, I figured she was an android but not like that, quite neat. ^ This. I liked how the viewpoint shift constantly and you heard some parts of the conversations, but had to fill in the rest. |
| This was one of the best specials I have seen in a long time. I loved the atmosphere it brought to the table, and wow that waitress turned out to be a robot! O.o |
| I didn't like it. It was quite pointless and wannabe-deep, imo. And all that confused talking was annoying. :-| Not to mention the fish, wtf. But I also was surprised about the android lady. |
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| I think you could call this special the "perfect plot twist". If you rewatch it, you'll notice that throughout the whole 9 minute run we're given many clues and hints at the possibility of the waitress being a gynoid which makes the big reveal so much more clever. |
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| and this is why i love anime!! ahh that was so good! the art and animation were amazing. I want to watch it again! |
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| The style is very unique and interesting, it works pretty well. Seems simple, but at the same time it's not. The fish, and the debate between the 2 men are confusing, and honestly I did not understand the symbolism or importance of it. Nevertheless I enjoyed it, very fresh. |
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| I enjoyed it, yes it was to surprising to see the waitress like that. But I also enjoyed the atmosphere about it. Seeing the guy shouting out about fish made me laugh too. >.> |
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| Different, weird, strange, intriguing and awesome... |
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| 9 minutes of awesomeness is what I just got. |
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5layer said: 9 minutes of awesomeness is what I just got. QFT That was very good, worth every minute. |
| Gave me a good chuckle when the dude looked up and there was no fish. His jaw just widened LOL. |
| Love It. Superb. |
| Sorry for grammar mistakes(if any), english is not my native language. Feel free to correct me if you see some. |
| Wow, that was great experience. Definitely worth it's time! |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Wow, it was brilliant. Quite insightful, as well. I certainly didn’t expect it to unfold the way it did; there had been a whole lot of hints during the time each character got its spotlight that the waiter was an android, but it was a still a surprise she was that kinda of. The change of POV’s, the mingling conversations of the customers and the thread by thread-woven story made it for me. |
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| Quite good, unique ! I didn't grasp the whole story, but I knew she was an android at " 5 minute 22 seconds " by the change in the eyes ... how did you miss that ? |
| "Il est difficile d'attraper un chat noir dans une pièce sombre, surtout lorsqu'il n'y est pas." |
| I didn't expect the waitress to be a robot. It was a strange 9 minutes for me. I am not even sure if I understand any of it. Pretty thought provoking though. |
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| weird.. but cool!! what a cool place.... lol the buble turn out to be a the customer's word? seriously? XD |
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| Quite interesting with the amount of time they had |
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| Like one of the posters before me, I already figured the waitress was an android when her eye moved the way they did. I didn't really like this, but I also didn't dislike it. It's an okay special. |
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| Never mind what that guy experienced once he went through the door; I just don't understand why it cheered him up so much. |
| Truly fascinating. The way how the conversations shifted from one topic to another was enjoyable to follow, yet the way how they were connected to each other and formed one picture was even more interesting. The frequent close-ups and the use of unusual camera angles added to this unique experience. |
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| Liked how this was constructed and how they handled the fractured conversation with meaning changing on context. I suspected she was an android but had no clue where the plot was going, they could easily have been suggesting a romantic thing with the barmaid. So.. the fish business: she *(metaphorically) helped him look past the aquarium glass (and his reflection in it) and instead look at the fish inside (not sure the Vernes quote came out effectively) *(physically) encouraged/enabled him to find a quiet place to contemplate on what those guys were referring to as language spirits (powerful words) that linger but are usually otherwise obscured by clutter and noise so that their meaning is overlooked; maybe he's simply people-watching (fish) and finding the relevance in everyone's talk (bubbles). One of the girls had trouble looking past the surface of her friend's story, so maybe it's true of the boys' fish story too and we shouldn't take the fish scene at face value. Maybe it's just something like a Magic Eye picture?! *(emotionally) helped him realise his feelings towards his ex (they're compatible and should work at it) and maybe reflect on the harsh words he spoke earlier I wish the text was subbed in the part just before the Asimov kid's scene, though maybe it wasn't relevant anyway (it seems to be a sci-fi bookshelf and she's scanning the titles?). All other dialogue and text was fairly essential though, not a drop wasted! I was going to say I liked how the part with the girl whispering about the waitress seemed to be a red herring (suggesting the girl realised she was the fried-of-a-friend they were gossiping about before, rather than her being a robot), until it struck me the fish may just have been a literal "red herring" itself (???). No idea will likely think something entirely different when i watch it again. Nice job for 9 minutes |
BlackoutingJun 22, 2012 6:01 AM
| I watched it twice, first subbed then dubbed and enjoyed it. It was a short but thought provoking mini. As Blackouting posted above, I too, watched to know what the text of the titles on the bookshelf scanned were, as I'm sure since the took the time to highlight then briefly they added something, but other than that I was satisfied. This short film vaguely reminded me of the movie, "Waking Life." I think it was a combination of the way the conversations went and the animation. I would recommend that movie to anyone who enjoyed this^^ |
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| wow strong denial in this thread There's no need to justify or lie to yourself that you've just wasted 9 minutes of your life watching this piece of shit. All of these fake praises and sweet talks are just sad. Just get over it and move on. |
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| This was a phenomenal short film. It's refreshing to see what can be accomplished in a short span of time. The 9 minutes I spent watching this felt much longer due to the density of material. To think I've spent a whole episode wondering when Goku would launch a Kamehameha or a couple of episodes wondering when Naruto would master a technique, and yet within a fraction of that time, Mizu no Kotoba presented philosophical ideas and challenged viewers to reflect and seek the depth and weight of their own words. It's a shame that shorts like this and series like Eve no Jikan do not receive the support and recognition they deserve. I will gift this unto another person and hope that I can spread this feeling.... |
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flaxman85 said: wow strong denial in this thread There's no need to justify or lie to yourself that you've just wasted 9 minutes of your life watching this piece of shit. All of these fake praises and sweet talks are just sad. Just get over it and move on. Not quite. It was definitely quirky. But it was interesting, and thus I enjoyed it. |
flaxman85 said: wow strong denial in this thread There's no need to justify or lie to yourself that you've just wasted 9 minutes of your life watching this piece of shit. All of these fake praises and sweet talks are just sad. Just get over it and move on. Or, people, in general, have different tastes and opinions! What a novel though that is! Most people will speak their minds on a forum like this, so I'm sure they're not lying to themselves. They just hold to their own. You trying to change them, is never a good thing. While I wasn't a huge fan of this, they can like it as they please. |
SeasqwaaJun 25, 2013 5:56 PM
| Definitely interesting, like others I liked the broken conversations and going between them. And the art, the art while looking very cg blockish, was nice. I admit that I didn't get anything about the words or being in that room. And that twist was entertaining. An anime of this minus the whole weird stuff(as long as they don't give us an explanation) would be nice. |
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| Well this was quite interesting, not sure what it was about but that makes it interesting especially that ending! |
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| The Isaac Asimov quote made the reveal kinda obvious imo. |
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| Well, I wouldn't have thought that the coffee lady was a robot, even if there was some hints. About that scene at the end, what he saw was the ''fish'' seen from a different persceptive? So they were in a giant aquarium from the beginning? If so, I'm not sure I understand the metaphor, if there is one... |
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| The art style reminds me of Fooly Cooly... not sure why. But I really am impressed with what I could gain from the 9 minutes. I like how the conversations, can relate to each other, filling each other's gaps (with some thought put into what they've said), or how the conversations can tell their own story with each character's own thoughts knowledge of the things that happen at the cafe. At first, I can see people not liking it from confusion, put looking at what the conversations we're given, we are able to piece the story to how the viewer point of view... because of that, it's what makes the short play time more effective. |
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| I don't get it. Why would not showing him the aquarium contradict the first law A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. ? |
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| well that was very interesting. interesting indeed ^-^ |
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| Hmm, I see a lot of YouTube comments talking about being able to understand this more after watching Eve no Jikan. I guess I'll come back here after I finish that movie and re-watch this. |
| oh shit nigga 2002 Yoshiura art was CRAP LOL BUt thAt wa$ interfesting, though abstract, yet compelling |
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kibotu said: I don't get it. Why would not showing him the aquarium contradict the first law A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm. ?The barrister-android interprets the law mentally and emotionally, as opposed to only physically. He decides that he wants to work on the relationship with his ex, as opposed to simply giving up on it. He says, "pay more atention to me," something that he regrets and didn't really mean. However, he never bothers to correct himself. While he knows that he didn't really mean to say that and say it so harshly, his ex doesn't. Instead of trying to mend what he broke with that fight, he doesn't want to bother with it. Maybe out of embarassment or maybe because he doesn't want to be wrong. That's, on some level, a self-destructive mindset. He's giving up on something when he doesn't have to. He's losing something for no gain when he could gain something but lose something at the same time. He didn't think it through. He's in denial. And he's hurting himself by believing his own lies. He's hurting his chances, his prospects and his own feelings. If the android remained silent and didn't point this out to him, then he would have continued with that self-destructive mindset until there was no chance of getting that relationship back. At that point, he would have realised his mistake and be faced with a mountain of regret. On A Personal Note: I liked how the protagonist (?) was attempting to escape from the reality of his situaton by trying to get together with the barrister. I believe the android sees this and thinks about the fact that the problem isn't with the people he is in a relationship with, but him. It doesn't matter who he hooks up with or how compatible they are; if he can't deal with his own problems, they'll all end the same way. The quickest, easiest and most efficient way to escape from a harsh reality is to make yourself a victim and shift the blame to someone else. That way, the situation becomes so confused that even you don't know who is really to blame anymore. Blame in itself is the same as usng anger as an attempt to mask sadness. It doesn't solve anything, it just distracts everyone, because no one wants to shoulder the blame. The most efficient way to actually get things done is to shoulder all the blame yourself: you are responsible for everything terrible that happens in your life. It's something that likely everyone has heard before but it is seldom put into practice. "Who's to blame?" "I'm not responsible!" "Take responsibility!" They all mean the same thing: "I don't want to take responsibility." Taking responsibility for your actons means admitting that you were wrong to take them in the first palce. Nobody wants to admit they're wrong. Nobody wants to apologise, because that's the same as saying: "I made a mistake; I'm at your mercy. Please forgive me and relieve me from this guilt." Apologising is the same as grovelling and pleading. And most people have too much pride to be able to grovel and plead. Reminds me of something from Oregairu: “Well, regardless, it’s about time to get on my hands and knees. When you're currying a favor, you throw aside your pride and curry away. That’s my pride. It’s time to get serious.” Also, in the same episode: "That’s right. I’ve forged my own way alone up until now. While you guys were fighting with and consoling each other for whatever reasons, I’ve faced everything head on by myself. Now look at me. I’m the strongest.” Nobody wants to grovel and plead, but everyone wants to rely on someone. Isn't that hilariously ironic and hypocritical? Well, grovelling and pleading is facing the reality head-on, while relying on someone is avoiding reality. That's the only difference, really. It's those that have no one to rely on in the first place that are the strongest. They don't have any other choice but to face reality--they're far more self-aware. While there were certainly other aspects to this special that I thoroughly enjoyed, I can confidently say that how it touched on taking responsibility for your actions was my favourite part of it. Liked the quirky animation and direction. Atmosphere was really nice. |
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| I figured out the barmaid was a robot midway through, but it didn't matter cause I feel this wasn't the interesting point of this short. Some elements I didn't quite get, like the fish, the Jules Verne quote or why the title is what it is. Interesting and enjoyable, but warrants a rewatch for sure. |
| Damn, had to watch it twice to understand the story after being complete clueless the first try. Didn't expect the waitress to be an android first time, though, but after rewatching it I realized how many clues they gave. So I was slightly disappointed in myself for not figuring it out. All those broken dialogues seemed completely irrelevant but it was until the end that they all added up wonderfully. I finally understood after reading through other posts above what the first law of Robots really signified and I have to say it was done in a very complicated yet stylistic fashion. |
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| This is pretty much the same as Eve no Jikan, since I watched Eve no Jikan first, I was quite sure that the waitress was an android and the message is really strong if you understand it despite of the 10 mins duration. |
| What was that Robot showing to that guy in that room full of water bubbles? I didn't understand the message intended there, so I will rate it low. Kinda reminded me of eve no jikan, with that robot and humans coexist ambience( restaurant even looks the same). 4/10. |
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