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kei-cloneOct 29, 2008 10:21 AM
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| OK, seriously, I'm getting disappointed. I liked the first two episodes, but everything from there has been going downhill FAST. I don't understand enough Japanese, but I feel that even if I do, this episode still would have been stupid. I have no idea why someone would sent another to hell for that kind of stupid reason... although the boy going from a loser to a confident person back to a loser was kind of meaningful... but other than that, this episode really sucked. I really hope they will improve this series because I really had high hopes. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| Oh great, Aero subs are now making this series one of their main projects. The subs for this episode are out now. On edit: Homophobia makes me puke. Let's not go there. That said, the ending was indeed gay. What the hell? Nishida the older guy didn't want to fight the mugger because it would put his boyfriend at risk. And what did Takeru do to thank him for thinking about him? Send him to hell (supposedly with all the other sodomites?) Once again, what the hell? |
Kokujin-kunOct 27, 2008 6:24 AM
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| haha just watched the raw today.. and damn, this one really disappointed me.. it is so gay, and i cant believe the boy sent his savior to hell.. i guess he enjoys being tied up and hit by a bunch of gays who want his money and butthole.. lol.. wat a masochist.. and yuzuki didn't do anything this episode.. the episode ended so fast, i didnt manage to blink.. altho i did gawp at the end of the episode.. i was like, wat the hell????? i think this sequel is to show how twisted humans are, and that enma ai has come back to bring all the twisted ppl to hell, leaving the only one worthy to live in a world where everybody has the "hell agreement" tattoo.. and that would be yuzuki ^^ yuzuki is cute n she'd make a nice hell girl too XD |
lonehunter88Oct 27, 2008 7:22 AM
| Gayness disgusts me however I can't say I don't get annoyed when I see homophobia and religious aspects against it. I, personally, have no problem what-so-ever with gays as long as they keep it to themselves. About the episode: ending sucked big time. |
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| I did ask for more foolish contractors in the thread about episode three, but this guy really went in a bit too far. It seems like this thread is also filled with foolishness, so I'll keep my commentary short and leave quickly. |
| In four episodes we lose 3 guys and 1 girl. I guess I can see the result by the end of the series. As for this episode is pretty much disappoint not because of the Yaoi but the plot itself is really weak. And why the hell did Tange-sensei is still there wasn't him suppose to be on a field trip to hell? |
SivaOct 27, 2008 11:48 AM
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RandomOugi said: I did ask for more foolish contractors in the thread about episode three, but this guy really went in a bit too far ... but, he kinda thought that his attempt of becoming strong and blablah to face bullies had changed nothing in the world and maybe nothing in him in the end, so he decided to blame the one who gave him this "hope" that everything was ok, some prefer to styck to reality (or his view of the reality), no mather who sad it is i really dont finish to understand this guy xDDDD Kokujin-kun said: On edit: Homophobia makes me puke. Let's not go there. agre, the post made here should rewiew this ep.... there are some other places to discuss that mather xD |
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| lol first off, the reason doesnt matter. you can send someone to hell just for the hell of it. it has been done before. all that is required is enough hatred for the page to apear, and the person's name. this has nothing to do with good or bad, or anything like that. what im disapointed in, is that the plot so far is no different from S1 an S2. im pretty sure once the whole show ends you can look at the entire story like and it would make better sense. one grudge after another, it kind gets repetitive. im thinking they are building up to the main plot which has to do with the fact that hes possesing a girl this time, not only that but she shows her the whole process which no one i suppose to know about outside of the involved parties (and the poor sap being sent to hell) lol tange sense is suppose to be in hell isnt he....and its supose to be a he so i guess thats a different one. |
| Fucking retarded episode tbh. i dont think anyone would send their idol in life to hell just cus he was afraid of getting killed. and if he had actually attacked the man with his kendo, he may have been killed and after that the entire bus could have been killed cus the murderer could hva gone berserk. mby the one who wrote this episode was half asleep when he did it or something. i mean, wtf.. "omg, the man i look up to didnt take the chance to look brave! lets kill him...." EDIT: Jacut said: hknamida said: angel999 said: RAW is out! WTH is this GAY SHIT! YOU KNOW ALL GAYS GO TO HELL ANYWAYS! The only ones saved are girls x girls! I know why but it IS MY RELIGIOUS BELIEF! That sounds more like plain, old-fashioned homophobia than religion, to me. Does your "God" approve of you blaming Him for your narrow-mindedness? I really enjoyed this episode, mainly -because- of his lame reason for sending the other guy to hell. It illustrates one of the things this series does best - exploring the dark side of human nature. I entirely agree on your last sentence especially. Great writing in this episode even if the curse was a bit abrupt, but still, that's Jigoku Shoujo for you, going where not any other single anime can go without becoming pathetic. And Jigoku Shoujo not only tries but succeeds in showing gay Kendo scenes (that seem to be common in Kendo if you read Yukio Mishima...), highschool bullying, incest with a nurse (don't try to tell me she isn't represented as having a potential interest in the main character of this episode...), then finish with a curse that sends a character to hell, while still being credible and well-done. Some very good themes overall even if everything is not perfect. dont think this have anything to do with humans dark nature. this episode explored one persons retardation if you ask me |
OnegaiOct 27, 2008 2:42 PM
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| o.0 for such a reason to send someone to hell... Normally the reasons are bad enough but this one is the worst of the 4 episodes seen.. I am almost feeling like dropping it if it continues with this.. |
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Mehsi said: o.0 for such a reason to send someone to hell... Normally the reasons are bad enough but this one is the worst of the 4 episodes seen.. I am almost feeling like dropping it if it continues with this.. If they always had a "good" reason to send someone to hell, it would get boring really fast. I actually like episodes like this best. |
hirahira said: Mehsi said: o.0 for such a reason to send someone to hell... Normally the reasons are bad enough but this one is the worst of the 4 episodes seen.. I am almost feeling like dropping it if it continues with this.. If they always had a "good" reason to send someone to hell, it would get boring really fast. I actually like episodes like this best. its not that the reason was "bad", it was just ridiculus, unlogical, laughable, retarded etc. we have been shown many bad reasons to send someone to hell throughout the jigoku shoujo series, but this one.. Yeargh |
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| oh, well. at least we know that the person who sent that guy to hell will go to hell themself for their stupidity |
| First of all to all homophobes You are all going to hell for hating people for no reason have fun jerks =D About the episode I hated the stupid reason for sending that guy to hell Like all of the episodes so far (episode 2 has the only good reason but then we discover that the wife preferd it that way than having no one) |
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| I disagree, I personally think this ep is pretty good You cant assume that the guy thinks like a normal person. should highlight the part, where he said even if I change, the society wont, and the part when he walked outside, his smirk might have some meaning or, maybe he thinks the society wont change, so he goes with it and picks on random guy for no reason, like sending him to hell |
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seekster said: Also Hamel, I dont understand, where on Earth did you get the idea that anyone here finds gay people to be frightening? Read page one |
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| GAY ALERT! Seriously, I never believe angel999 for a second when she says that this episode was really gay. I was wrong, sorry angel999. "There was some sweat on my eyes" "Oh, let me fix it" -kisses the kid- "All better?" wtf? Oh yeah, PEDO ALERT. Also I don't understand why he sent Nishida-san to hell just because he wasn't 'brave enough to stand up for the guy' Pathetic excuse, too bad you're going to hell, sucker. I liked the 3rd episode but this one takes the cake. Although I'm still a fan of Hell Girl. -- angel999, THAT NURSE IS TSUGUMI! : D If she wasn't then they should have revealed her name and make us see her face, also she should have atleast 1 line if it wasn't Tsugumi. I'm having a strong feeling that we will be seeing more of Tsugumi and We'll be seeing Takuma too. ; D |
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| I thought this was one of the most entertaining episodes. But that boy was so mean. I'm so glad that he will be going to hell too |
GGLucas said: Damn this anime is being hated on, aside from still getting "wtf" vibes from the whole 'transformation' scene (which isn't neccessarily a bad thing, this being Jigoku Shoujo and all), I loved everything about this episode, I think it was one of the better ones. The gay part was awesome, I don't get what the fuss is, I think it's great to see many different kinds of relationships and the emotions they bring about in people, that is, after all, what this anime is about. (also, for all you bible-humpers out there, besides it totally not being relevant here, I recall something about "love thy neighbour", remind me, who said that again ? Also, "Love" is not reserved as an emotion between man and woman, you can call it sinful all you want, but it doesn't change the actual emotion between gay people, and it's well known that "God" created all the good emotions in the world, the _most important_ of which, is love. (As a further thing to think about, there is no way to be 100% certain about what "God" thinks or believes, as humans, we can only guess, therefore, would it not be immensely rude to, being a human, tell God what to think ? Whether God thinks being Gay is sinful or not, there's a good chance he's more annoyed about all those humans telling him what he should or should not think)) Also, there's the part about his reason for sending him to hell, I don't think it was an invalid reason, of course, it's stupid to send people to hell whatever reason you have, but I think the reason for sending the teacher in episode was less valid than this. The point is _not_ that he sent him to hell because he was scared, he doesn't send everyone else to hell, it's because he knows Nishida believes what he believes. Others might not believe in the whole "being a hero and protecting others" idea, that's the way it is, but Nishida firmly thought that way, and he betrayed himself and his ideals by not standing up to take on the guy with the sword. It's not that the other guy got hurt, it's that Nishida betrayed the ideals they believed in, and, to top it off, made up an _excuse_ to try and get away with it. (We know he didn't turn a blind eye because his boyfriend was there, he was scared, and lied about it) Yes, he would have risked himself and everyone else if he had taken on the guy, but it's not about rational thought, heroism comes with the inherent risk of this happening. PS: Whether Angel999 is a troll or really that ignorant, isn't there ample reason for a permanent ban of some sort at this point ? Nothing annoys me more than when people like him are given a platform to spout their nonsense, and I'm pretty sure if someone were saying the same things about, say, black people, they'd be banned tenfold by now. PPS: @Angel999: "WHEN I WAS A KID I GOT SOOOO MANY TIME ALMOST ABUSED BY GAYS! I escaped many times! SO I HAVE MY REASONS TO HATE THEM AND CURSE THEM!", logical fallacy, your test group (namely the gays that allegedly abused you), is not representive of the entire group for several reasons (size, plus a bias in selection (you would not know gays who do not abuse you because you wouldn't be near them)) TL;DR: People are complaining too much, Jigoku Shoujo is Jigoku Shoujo, it didn't get worse or different this season, stop watching if you don't like it. point taken, but still i thought it was a pretty fucked up reason. as i know it, grades are really important in Japan (in the Japan we are introduced to through anime anyway) and getting bad grades= outcast in society, shame to the family etc. so the school episode had a totally valid reason IMO. |
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| please get back on topic guys, open up a thread if you wish to discuss the morals, or lack thereof, of homosexuality |
GGLucas said: @seekster: ok, point taken, although I disagree with homosexuality being the main reason given for the destruction of sodom and gomorrah (imho the focus is more on the inhospitality and the general attitude around sex of those people), I can see how it would be possible to interpret this as such. That said, this is the final off-topic sentence I will post in this thread, if anyone wants to discuss further, PM me :P Anyway, to try and re-rail the thread, anyone care to speculate on how and why Enma Ai came back from the dead ? Bit early at this point, but it seems sort of a silly thing to do, returning to a 'life' you despised for so long ? Also, what happened to the house and the grandma and the spider ? They have yet to return, and it saddens me that we don't get any more scenes of Ai in the other "world" (?), except for the times she hands over the stray dolls to people, which would suggest the crimson-shaded place still exists ? I sure hope they'll give us an explanation soon, as well as for the reason kikuri lost her original body, why wanyuudo can't take her to the human world any more, why the "transformation" scene is so fucked up, and who the new guy is, so many questions, so few answers XD Yeah I do wonder about that but also what happened to Tsugumi and her dad?? What happened to that boy from season 2....I know he did not die at the end. Also.....was not stupidity of the village people and their beliefs that killed Ai? I know Ai had to pay for burning all of them BUT that was supposed to be done in season 2. Taking it logically the deal must have something to do with her being able to return to a real body...MY SUGGESTION----------> Yuzuki giving birth to a baby girl BUT How The Hell will they accomplish that in this season???? |
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| We also need to know why she picked that girl's body. The way I see it, at the end of Season 2, Ai finally resisted fate (and it got her killed). Somehow she avoided going to hell and is now once again playing the Jigoku Shoujo. Since her old body was 400+ years old when she died (again), she needs a new one. In the last season, her death was supposed to be a step towards breaking the never-ending chain of revenge and hatred. I feel that, even though she is once again ferrying people to hell, she has an ulterior motive of trying to break the chain of hatred. This may be related to why she chose that girl for a body, since it may be similar to the effect that informing Tsugumi and Hajime about Jigoku Tsuushin contractors had. Either way, the truth shall unfold in due time~ |
"Cicadas, even though their lives last only a few weeks, fall in love and disappear" ~Heed the roar of the mighty ocelot~ |
| Not too hard to get, basically he looked up to the guy so much and thought so much of him and relied on him so much that when he didnt stand up to that guy on the bus it let him down and showed him he wasnt as great as he thought and abandoned him sending him to hell. In the end he became a tormentor himself even. |
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| man im pretty disappointed with this episode... the other ones before this one was okay... hopefully it gets better... on another note i know you have your own beliefs angel999 but you should watch what you post about since they are off topic and can stir up a lot of controversy... |
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| What an odd reason to send someone to Hell for. |
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| That perversity! Was his best friend! |
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| Wtf, sent to hell because he didn't stop that retard? I don't like his reasoning. |
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| lol.. long debates against angel999.. @angel999: don't worry, i understand u're just trying to express ur feelings although u do get a bit extreme sometimes ^^ |
| What the hell is wrong with that Takeru kid? It not someone's obligation to step up for that asshole in the bus. Anyone knows being a hero in situation like that can risk your life. This thread looks pretty bad btw. I don't really understand all the hate and don't want to know. |
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