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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Hyouka IMPRESSES! Just look at the following,  WOW! That was scary along with the old house in the spoiler However it looks legit enough of someone being dead from blood loss? Well it certainly thrilled Eru from the faces she makes in the spoiler About the new girl, one of my favorite poses of her is the following,  From it one can see her pale skin more so than even Ibara or Eru I find. This is due in mostly how her hair are arranged along with the eye color that matches them. She makes me think of the coined term “Ice Queen” with those eyes. Suffice to say I add her in my Harem. According the spoiler About the new people, at the end of the episode were introduced to 4 people totally refreshing and new. In total we can say in major intros 5! 5 persons were in this episode fresh among the other minor ones showing around. That being said I present a list of what I though of the other ones.
Certainly in thee end there are new people coming in and Hyouka with this episode is starting to get serious. To say the least. That was totally gruesome that movie shown. About the preview, OH YES! The girl that is my #2 has more time in the spoiler |
Yumekichi11Jun 10, 2012 12:31 PM
| I like that new girl, she's scrappy. |
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| Finally, I've waiting for him!! It's the reason I watch Hyouka. The megane guy in the film!! Voiced by Miyu-Miyu!! lol @ the awkward talking in the incomplete film. Wait, is that girl who went in with Miyu-Miyu's character voiced by Minorin (thought so, I heard her voice!!)? So the mystery this time is to "find" the killer. lol @ Tarot card talk after accepting the offer. Real "detective thing" is next ep. |
tsubasaloverJun 10, 2012 10:35 AM
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| Beginning was interesting. Gave some clues about what was going on later in the episode. The reactions from that Kaitou dude's classmates was so...underwhelming. Was an alright episode. Next episode should be nice. |
RezurrektJun 10, 2012 11:57 PM
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| Fuyumi >= Eru! I kind of like Fuyumi more, she is the type of character that attracts my attention. Anyway, I wonder where the plot if going? Is it just going revolve around solving "mysteries" with a hint of sexual tension between Houtarou and Eru? The characters in the preview look like they would have "fun" personalities, especially the girl and the guy in the glasses. I'm looking forward to seeing their interaction with Houtarou. |
ClementIVJun 10, 2012 5:10 PM
| Eh, probably the weakest episode so far... The movie was a pain to watch. Needed more Chitanda. >_> |
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| Commentary during the movie was great as well as the usual Houtarou Satoshi discussion at the episode start. Really just need second part of the episode. Clubs in anime are always interesting than no filmmaking club making hour long productions, or a classics club that solves mysteries, or exotic trips to mountain inns, only thing irl is the going home club. |
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| So this time it's about movie mystery The three detectives...this spark things up. |
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| WHY SO SHORT?!?! =X |
| The acting in the movie was way too funny. Now, I feel like rewatching the movie to figure out who is the culprit since they haven't solve it yet. XD But I never get this kind of thing right... And I love the huge cast in hyouka! It's nice to hear other awesome seiyuu! :D EDIT after rewatching the movie: No clue about who can be the culprit... >> |
KuriniJun 10, 2012 6:10 PM
| Ye, I lol'd @ the acting too in the movie. I might re-watch the short movie again later within this episode for the lulz :P |
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Stark700 said: Ye, I lol'd @ the acting too in the movie. I might re-watch the short movie again later within this episode for the lulz :P Yeah, I have no intention of finding out either. Might rewatch for a good laugh. :D |
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| I just had to laugh out loud when the girl screamed in a low mono-tone voice after seeing the dead guy. |
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| Lol at Oreki's reaction to going to school on a hot day "not happening" only to end up going anyway after Eru went to get him :P |
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| Fuyumi is a great win, she better be a returning character. That amateur movie was quite bad which made it kind of fun to watch. |
| The bad acting in the movie was so hilariously portrayed. Also, I cringed at how badly it was filmed, being a film student myself. This episode did a good job in really getting me into the mystery, I am definitely curious now. |
| When I said "can Hyouka get any worse than this", it wasn't a challenge |
| as painful the movie was to watch i couldn't help but laugh the whole time watching it,Irisu seems interesting she doesn't show alot of emotions while talking |
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| Probably the most engaged I've been since starting this show simply for the fact that the movie was so bad that it's hilarious. Hopefully the next episode offers more than just simply Houtarou-solves-mystery-of-the-day again. |
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| This episode was just to set things up for the next episode. I can't wait to see how things fall together, but I kind of wished Houtarou solved a mystery this episode. Oh well, I suppose it was a descent episode |
| cool ep. love me a mystery learned somethign new. didnt know so many rules existed for detective mysteries. althouhg that one ep of sayonara zetsubou sensei introduced me to the "the killer must have been presented beforehand" rule lol |
KingCezJun 10, 2012 7:52 PM
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| Episode was plain. The voicing even if its an amateur filming just sucked hard. I couldn't stand listening to them screaming there voices louder than they should have when talking on film. The film IMO was a waste of 5-7 minutes. |
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| that amateur film made me laugh a bit. Everybody but the guy who got killed didnt seem very enthusiastic at all, they barely showed any emotion. How could you determine a culprit from that XD Animation was nice as usual and its nice to see character design variety :3 |
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| That was entertaining. I think the culprit is the black haired girl since she acts weird and is the only one other one who traveled alone. Bad supporting arguments, but oh well. |
| this episode was not as fulfilling as i thought. however, the exposition to the main plot pulled me in. the short film showed actually creeped me out, more than i thought it would. the progress in the mystery, however, went nowhere. i was very disappointed but the introduction of the new characters were very nice. over all for a hyouka episode, 4/5. |
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guava said: /a/ is having a good time trying to solve it. I guess MAL users are too busy bulking up their list to take the time.Nobody is going to try guessing the culprit? Judging by the map and where the characters went + his reactions just before the crime, I think it's Katsuta (the guy who opens the door/window of the crime scene). Yamanishi is also possible, though less suspicious (it might be humorous foreshadowing to make her the culprit, considering Oreki's response). I don't really understand the situation with the class detectives. Is Hongou so sick that she can't even say the name of the killer? Did she have to go a hospital out of town? Also, who was Irisu chatting to before Chitanda? Well, as long as the mystery is entertaining, I don't mind having these questions unanswered.~ In any case, it has been determined that Irisu was talking to Hongou at the beginning. Hongou is apologizing for not finishing the script and "being at the wrong place at the wrong time" implies that something happened to her, which would be the "illness", whether or not it actually is one. I couldn't say why they can't just ask her, though I do enjoy trying to solve the mystery myself(Of course, not without the help of a few /a/nons). |
やがて気づく本当の気持ちは そして 人間が大好きでした |
| And Yukana is on the stage! |
| the acting in the movie was so hilariously bad, but i'm actually interested in the story O.o i really wanna see how houtarou can use that amazing brain of his to devise some kind of crazy plot twist to end the movie and lol at eru's reactions while watching the movie |
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| The acting made me lol |
Kurogashi said: Eh, probably the weakest episode so far... The movie was a pain to watch. > so you didn't think the bad acting was funny? hm...I don't agree with you :P |
| What, a rare episode where we're not given a conclusion to the mystery and only one person is giving it a shot here? That's disappointing. Let's give this a go, people! Firstly, the setting: The map: As you can see, there are two floors to the building (which is a theater, by the way...). Access between floors are only available from the two flights of stairs in the front lobby, and the only way to travel between each side of the second floor is beside these stairs as well. From the map, there it appears that there is basically no restrictions to movement on the first floor. Note, however, that the double-doors into the audience seating area below the stage is boarded up, and in addition the corridor connecting the two backstage areas is blocked. The footage doesn't show it clearly, but it would appear that the entrance from the right backstage area onto the stage is similarly inaccessible. The group splittings: For simplicity's sake, I'll call them by their choice of path, so they are: Top-left-kun and top-left-chan Bottom-left-kun and bottom-left-chan Top-right-chan And bottom-right-kun (but in lieu of any subsequent victims I'll just call him victim-kun) Secondly, the logistics of the crime: 1.) Victim-kun was found on the first floor, in the room furthest down the right hallway (Backstage-right). His left arm has been cut from his body. 2.) No audible sound was made that alerted any of the others of the crime. 3.) The room was locked after the crime occurred. The key remains in the room. I bolded that last one because it was an interesting shot at making it into a closed-room murder. Recall that the two alternate entrances to the crime scene (not the door) are blocked. The key remains inside but the door is locked, so you have a perfect closed room... not. The window here is the obvious exit- the footage shows it's unlocked when the guy opens it, so this is the most likely solution. The other possibility is that culprit did a short sprint to the key-room to filch the master keys, locked the door then put them back afterwards, but that's highly roundabout, and I think Occam's Razor would apply here. Going from the map, the culprit must be capable of accessing the backstage-right room from the outside. That means they need to go through a window (or else the front door, but again, that seems unlikely). We can pretty much eliminate the second-floor groups (That's left-top-kun&chan, and right-top-chan) on the basis that they couldn't get back to their original positions from the outside after committing the crime, barring some strange climbing trick. That leaves, of course, bottom-left-kun and bottom-left-chan. My train of thought ends there- I'll come back to it later to see if I made any mistakes and to hopefully draw some conclusions. I'll take a look at /a/ and see how far they've gone, too. |
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| Someone on /a/ suggested that Sugimura(Or top-left-kun, as you called him) would be the killer, seeing as he was in the best position to get to Kaitou(Victim). If anybody else had tried, they would have had to go through the lobby which is in plain sight of Sugimura. Since Sugimura knew where the master key was, he only had to go down to the office, swipe the keys, catch up to Kaitou and kill him. After that, he locks the door with the master key, returns it to its original position and goes back into his room to wait for the others come out in order to abate any suspicions. However, this doesn't explain how he cut off his hand and killed him. |
やがて気づく本当の気持ちは そして 人間が大好きでした |
| Yeah, I saw that post too. I've mostly disregarded the master keys lock method as being roundabout, but now I feel extremely retarded. I think they're right that the footage of the grass is meant to show that it's not been stepped in, too. I really want to chalk it up to the film club being generally incompetent at what they do, but the length of the shot would suggest otherwise, ruling out the window through evidence that no one passed through it rather than a physical barrier. That would, indeed, make Sugimura the most suspicious. |
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| Nice new character. Episode was good, it was kinda funny that the movie was bad :P |
| After finishing the episode, I rewatched the movie in the episode to try to find out the murderer (for the fun and the lulz) My guess is that it is Sugimura (the guy with glasses). What led me to believe that it is him is that: 1. He went in the room containing the keys with the girl and knew that there was a master key, so he could have taken the master key without that other girl that was in the room knowing it after leaving to join the group. 2. Sugimura was the last one to meet up after checking the rooms. Could have been because he was cleaning any leftover blood on him in the room that he was. 3. The most suspicious act that happened in the movie: when they opened the room where the murder had happened, Sugimura "fell/tripped" on the ground where the blood was. It was probably done on purpose because he could have had leftover blood on his hands and wanted to hide it by "tripping" on the blood. Just my theory ;P. |
Unyuu said: We went over the other points but that one is interesting, I hadn't thought of that. Though in the time it would take to go back to his room, wait, and then back to the scene of the crime, the blood on his hands that he couldn't have gotten off would most likely be obviously dry.3. The most suspicious act that happened in the movie: when they opened the room where the murder had happened, Sugimura "fell/tripped" on the ground where the blood was. It was probably done on purpose because he could have had leftover blood on his hands and wanted to hide it by "tripping" on the blood. |
やがて気づく本当の気持ちは そして 人間が大好きでした |
Velocitas014 said: I'm honestly surprised at how "realistic" the camerawork for the amateur film was. The shaky camera and constantly moving perspective must have taken quite a bit of work. Nothing really screamed CG either, except maybe the cut showing the floor plans. Mad props to KyoAni as usual. It wasn't that great IMO. You can tell they tried something new. Doing these 3D-area effects are hard though so I can't really complain. Can't wait to see how much they improve in the future. |
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| The two more suspicious are the one's who took the keys. while the guy with glasses seems suspicious. isnt the way the tall guy ( katsuta) opened the door weird? i clearly see him flipping the key to one side and then to other |
VanisherJun 11, 2012 1:48 AM
guava said: I can't say for sure who Irisu is talking to on the school chat(apart from Chitanda), but seeing as Irisu is calling them senpai it means they're a third year, and I don't believe we've had a third year introduced to us yet. Apart maybe from that guy who smoked in his clubroom, but I doubt he'd called himself a~ta~shi~ with a little music note, but that's just me.I don't mean the text msgs (which I also decided were Hongou + Irisu), but the chat room before Chitanda logs in. Irisu seems to be asking for help from somebody who can't give any help but suggests something about senpais and dancing. A cryptic conversation. On Sugimura: he's the one leading everyone to the "research spot" so looked suspicious from the beginning. But I don't think his knowing about the master key, his appearing last, or his tripping were particularly incriminating. If anything, Kounosu is the most suspicious around the time of the crime (how does she know so much about this place? why was she the one to suggest it?). It's still impossible to say at this point. We can't even guess at a motive or method yet. (In the end, I like my Katsuta theory.) But really: why cut off a hand? The fact that the key was still there might also be important. There are 3 rooms upstairs and 5 downstairs. 3 people went to the 3 rooms upstairs, but only 3 people were downstairs for those 5 rooms. Kaitou went alone with 1 key to a hallway with 3 locks. Yet when the group was searching for Kaitou, 2 of the doors were open, and 1 locked (presumably the one for the key he had). Very strange. The master key must be involved, or perhaps some keys open multiple locks (Kaitou's key opens both waiting rooms on the right, Yamanishi's both on the left, Katsuta's the back; &c). Also, a conjecture on what went down which I think makes some sense was posted here: http://boards.4chan.org/a/res/66983937#p66997328 |
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| acting and plot in that horrible movie were better than in series XD just to say who killed... strongest suspicions are on that guy with yellow shirt (the one who opened the window): - he was opening the doors, or rather could pretend they are locked - bonus for him would be showing that master key was in the same place where it was on the beginning - than opening the window, it may be shock but also showing that this was only way someone would be able to come into the room - yet since grass outside has no traces of movement it --> killer went in and out in same way (doors) - than he goes to gap between room and wall (if I read it well from the plan) - but again it would be impossible as it would make so much dirt question is: why did he cut off that hand and that glass on the floor is a bit weird Still lack of motif is a bit weak side of this story - and I hope they won't go "Ten Little Niggers" on this (and preview suggest this) plus: "Why didn't she ask EBA?" ? - quite nice :D unless it refers to the book than it's simply weird |
| Fun episode, the Cluedo like stuff suits Mysteries |
| Even though it was an amateur movie, that was craptasticaly bad. The actors were like forced doing it. |
| So,who do you think killed that guy.Personally,my guess is either that quiet girl or that glasses guy.Personally,I think it was that quiet girl since she knew the most about the house/ |
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ckberserker said: I think the culprit is the quiet girl with purple shirt: Yuri. the reasons is: 1. she knows the building too well. She finds the map and she knows where the keys are. 2. she distributes the keys, so she can determine who is going where. 3. she is going to the room right above where the victim was killed. 4. she is alone on the second floor. what I think it happened: like we can see on the map, on the right side of the second floor there is a window just like the room where the victim was killed. she opened the window of the second floor and tied a rope on the window. then she went to the room where the victim was and killed him. with the key of the victim, she locked the door, took the rope outside the window (so no footprint outside the grass), climbed up and closed the window from the outside and voila. one close room killing mystery. It has sense still there are few things: - they were taking keys on their own - so no way of determining which room that guy will take, it may be that anyone who is in THAT room should die, but this is fail here as we know nothing of reason of death - we don't know, or at least it's not shown if room above has window in that place (we may assume so) - there are two other people on the second floor so they may have heard something or see if they open the window - I like idea of using rope but window was a stuck - so closing it from outside may be difficult (not impossible thou) and still there is matter of cut hand, this bothers me a bit - it needs some strength to do plus why it was so far from the body (I will drop this series if it will turn out to be an accident) Plus that preview... if it will turn up really to be like this - than it will be simply LAME (meaning Glasses-kun and quiet girl are left) So for now i will stick up with my "Yellow guy" theory, while one above makes perfect sense. |
Dalek-bakaJun 11, 2012 6:33 AM
| Next epi will be good, you can tell that much. Who do you think was it? I' m curious! |
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