86--EIGHTY-SIX (light novel)
Sagepool said: Sorry fans but, Im halfway through this season and it has such a high score and I’m cringing every episode. We have probably one of the most not nuanced takes on racism that just tries to force you to feel bad for people. Then every character has exactly one crum of personality except the main guy. Everything about the characters can be summer up in one sentence. The politics are so bland they couldn’t even bother to mention any country having different laws, they just say “oh this isn’t the republic you know”. Then piano is constantly playing to try and make you feel sad. Then they added a little girl for some reason. Everything about this show has made me wonder if anybody actually wrote it or they gave it to chatgbt. Rant over, I’m hate watching it now. I just had to say this and had to see if there were others out there like me I want to shake hands with you right now. Quite literally my inner thoughts back when I sat through all of it, hoping it would at least try to live up to its high score and praise. |
 "To the boy who once sought freedom, goodbye." 🕊️ |
| Completely valid, tbh I think majority of my love for the show came from mainly Lena and Shin, and I liked everything else at a very basic level. Easily could’ve been done so much better and I get those who hate a lot of aspects about it, but if I can be completely honest, I enjoyed a lot of the shallow aspects of it lmao. On another note, you gotta love those that shit on anyone who shares a negative opinion on something rather than try to have a conversation, or just move on like they suggest you do lol. It’s like you can only share positive opinions on here, such a weird mindset. |
| I too loved Part 1 but found Part 2 a big step down in quality. |
| Weak characterization on the other characters very early on the light novel besides Captain Levi & his commander Kita which is honestly a valid criticism...The lack of monologues of the other characters especially when they arrive at the Federacy kills their character... But the 2nd half atleast paid up for it... |
" Kindness can sometimes lead you to trouble. "  |
| wow what a lukewarm take. "i didn't understand the narrative therefore there was none". You thought the most superficial aspect of the show, the fact that the alba discriminated against the 86, was the main theme? Maybe if you were not so obsessed with race or politics you could look past it and see what this is actually about. 1. S1 is about facing adversity with strenght. Instead of lamenting your circumstances, your incoming sure death, you keep fighting for your life, you don't look for reasons or revenge, you stare death in the face and keep going. Warrior mindset. 2. S2 is about purpose. Soldiers who were dragged out of their unfinished war. What at first glance look like damaged children, battle crazed psycos, are actually lucid warriors with conviction, who know what they want to do and why they want to do it. 3. The whole story is also about shinei carrying the weight of all of his dead comrades, always remainin in the battlefield with their responsabilities and wishes, while everyone gets to stop fighting. The way in the end that he is not left behind by his unit and Lena is cathartic. The way these 3 themes connect, and everything that slots in between is nothing short of masterful. |
IhnalakoKainaDec 12, 2023 6:26 PM
| You can sum up every character in one sentence? You mispronounced "i can't remember anything about anyone because i was not paying attention". Anju has a backstory, no pun intended. The fact that she doesn't go into a monologue about her experiences and feelings does not mean she's just an npc put there for plot convinience. Also, how far do you expect the side characters in a light novel anime adaptation to go? Can you name a side char from any show that you like that cannot be summarized in one sentence? I'm thinking about it, and I could even summarize the acclaimed and renowned leleouch in 30 words. You didn't find the sad scenes sad? Maybe because you didn't get what was happening. So they're not allowed to have musical ambiance depending on the mood or the theme? A little girl was not just put in there. Once again proof that your mind can only go screen deep into this shit, you didn't understand that whole subplot and wrote it off as loli fanservice? Brilliant. |
Sagepool said: IhnalakoKaina said: You can sum up every character in one sentence? You mispronounced "i can't remember anything about anyone because i was not paying attention". Anju has a backstory, no pun intended. The fact that she doesn't go into a monologue about her experiences and feelings does not mean she's just an npc put there for plot convinience. Also, how far do you expect the side characters in a light novel anime adaptation to go? Can you name a side char from any show that you like that cannot be summarized in one sentence? I'm thinking about it, and I could even summarize the acclaimed and renowned leleouch in 30 words. You didn't find the sad scenes sad? Maybe because you didn't get what was happening. So they're not allowed to have musical ambiance depending on the mood or the theme? A little girl was not just put in there. Once again proof that your mind can only go screen deep into this shit, you didn't understand that whole subplot and wrote it off as loli fanservice? Brilliant. So you cry to every cry porn thing you seen? You mean the repeated scenes of soldiers dying and Shin shooting them so they don’t have to suffer and can rest with him? If your fine with the same repeating scenario knock yourself out. If you can’t do complex it’s alright. Lmao, The fact 30 words is the amount you need for lelouch is more than I could ever think of for the main 6 characters If You mean the subplot of “this little girl isn’t what he seems, she actually is the ex royalty and grows to love the main guy cause he’s just like her guardian figure.” Cause Shin needs to have a new relationship to undercut his new seriousness. Cliché everywhere, none of it is nuanced, original, or deep to me. If your going to get mad then don’t bother here huh? cryporn? Who said anything about crying? you were the one saying that they put piano music to force the sad. I just pointed out that the sad is sad without the sad music, and that said music only works as happy music works in happy scenes, combat music works in combat scenes and so on. But wow, what a fucking simplistic, loaded, stupid way to interpret Frederica's story and her relationship with shinei (not insults at you yourself, but at the proclamation you just made). It's NOT "kyaa kyaa he's just like the guy I used to like so i like him too" and that's it, end of story. Really driving home your lack of analysis and understanding. Frederica sees kiriya in shinhei, and throughout the whole season she tries to make him understand that his outlook on life and the path his is taking is wrong. It ties into his main struggle. And all you got from the first part is shinei's "i kill my friends" and Lena's "i don't like racism"? It was just that simple, huh? There was nothing else going on?The way enju grieved daiya, the way kaie's death made things hard between spearhead and Lena, and how she was going far and beyond to prepare properly for the missions, unlike any other commander, the way the republic has degenerated because of their complacency and pride, the way Lena's uncle aknowledges the absurdity of it all but takes the "common sense", nihilistic route. Man how I could go on. The one with the "not nuanced" aka simplistic view of racism is you. Please go on, what should racism be like sensei? How would you have made it not be so straightforward and crude? Is it not the cuddle used by a group of people in order to oppress, utilize and eradicate another? Is this not accomplished by scientific misrepresentations and lies? Is that not what they did in the series? What should the people from the federacy have told 5 foreign young soldiers about the details of the political system of their country? What relevance does it bear? Can you not connect the dots based on the title "federacy"? Do you need them to point to you their constitutional amendment stating why there can be no racial discrimination? Do you not see how the way they pity the 86 in giad is nuanced? The way they know nothing about them but try to use them to grandstand and feel better about themselves? How Ernst is so headstrong in his ideals to the point of threatening to destroy his country if they did the same thing the republic did, and how he still comes to terms with allowing spearhead to continue to battle? ... See, I think the problem here is that you think a story that sticks to it's margins, and tries not to be an overbearing clusterfuck of political and ideological exposition, is bad. This is the story of a soldier. There is no need for code geass type shit in here. And you keep invoking "clichés". Name one in 86 and then one in another series. And bet I can actually do it with every single series you like. |
IhnalakoKainaDec 12, 2023 9:23 PM
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