| Ok I only watched the one Ghibli movie, "La Puta Castle". But seriously, what is up with the blandness and tastelessness of the plot of Made in Abyss? You got a great premise there, why not use it for more than just that? And I kept hearing of how dark or how touching a certain episode was (ep. 9 or 10 or whatever) and literally nothing ends up happening in the end. Such wasted potential here... |
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| Judging by the anime you watch, you must be an expert on stories that goes nowhere. So you tell me. |
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Swagernator said: Judging by the anime you watch, you must be an expert on stories that goes nowhere. So you tell me. You are correct that I am an expert. And I tell you this: this anime's problem isn't not going anywhere. It's not even moving. It can't get lost or reach a dead-end because it's stationary... which is a shame. |
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| Shows with such good progression dont really need a solid-metal plot,the development and world building compensate for everything. |
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pervy_hokage said: This is the 2nd most non-relatable post I've seen on forums this week, the first one being "Kaguya S3 is worse than S1 and S2". Are ppl really stating their very own opinions or just posting the entire opposite of the fact to seek attention? All forum posts seek attention, otherwise everyone would be talking to themselves, much like that MAL thread titled "What's the last book you read" KP_SENSEI said: Shows with such good progression dont really need a solid-metal plot,the development and world building compensate for everything. Usually I agree but they spend so much time on plotlines that go nowhere that it detracts from the WB. |
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| i dont think he means story at all, he seems to be talking about action by saying bland he just says there are no epic fights no power ups just stick to the shounen mate and you will be fine, no need to trash talk other shows for no reason |
pervy_hokage said: KP_SENSEI said: Shows with such good progression dont really need a solid-metal plot,the development and world building compensate for everything. Irony is that OP has the username and pfp of one of the most bland and one dimensional characters of anime and he's the one to talk about "blandness". LOL,cant disagree on that,mikasa really is among the worst characters ever,even many harem girls are more dynamic than her. |
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What anime is that? I definitely wanna watch it. |
| The irony in this thread lmao, made in abyss is supposed to be all about an adventure, don't expect any battle but pay attention to the worldbuilding of it yeah? |
I was searching for this comment lmao it's the movie Castle in the sky (o El Castillo en el cielo para los hispanohablantes) |
goldzioch said: i dont think he means story at all, he seems to be talking about action by saying bland he just says there are no epic fights no power ups just stick to the shounen mate and you will be fine, no need to trash talk other shows for no reason Not really, my favorite anime is hxh, which is infamous for skipping fights and resolving issues in clever and compelling ways. MIA doesn't have issues, it doesn't have conflcits. It's just two shounen kids going down an elevator shaft. There's no real 'story'. |
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purplehaze19 said: I was searching for this comment lmao it's the movie Castle in the sky (o El Castillo en el cielo para los hispanohablantes) I know what movie he was talking about. I just asked it on a whim. I'm pretty sure native spanish speakers must have had their belly aching after reading the title of the movie he said. |
Mikasa said: goldzioch said: i dont think he means story at all, he seems to be talking about action by saying bland he just says there are no epic fights no power ups just stick to the shounen mate and you will be fine, no need to trash talk other shows for no reason Not really, my favorite anime is hxh, which is infamous for skipping fights and resolving issues in clever and compelling ways. MIA doesn't have issues, it doesn't have conflcits. It's just two shounen kids going down an elevator shaft. There's no real 'story'. Out of the 2 shonen kids you are referring, only 1 shonen kid can go up the "elevator", and that's the cyborb Reg. The place they are going to is a suicide for the human shonen kid Riko, The point of the plot is exploring the abyss and finding its mystery and also Riko's mom. There is nothing dark in the series? I'm assuming you haven't watched ep 12 and 13 which shows the backstory of Mitty and Nanachi, and the 3rd movie showing the relation of Prushka and Bondrewd. Watch them as well and then tell us your opinion. If you still think its not a dark series and has a bland plot, you can uphold your opinion and move forward. Not stopping you from doing that. keep in mind that just because people call a series dark, it need not be as dark as AoT. Every story has its own charm and it is not directed to the taste of every single person in the world. There is no such story plots which every single person will unanimously call a great plot |
| I think the plot is arguably the best part about the show, idk what you’re on about lol |
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V1P3R0P said: Mikasa said: Not really, my favorite anime is hxh, which is infamous for skipping fights and resolving issues in clever and compelling ways. MIA doesn't have issues, it doesn't have conflcits. It's just two shounen kids going down an elevator shaft. There's no real 'story'. Out of the 2 shonen kids you are referring, only 1 shonen kid can go up the "elevator", and that's the cyborb Reg. The place they are going to is a suicide for the human shonen kid Riko, The point of the plot is exploring the abyss and finding its mystery and also Riko's mom. There is nothing dark in the series? I'm assuming you haven't watched ep 12 and 13 which shows the backstory of Mitty and Nanachi, and the 3rd movie showing the relation of Prushka and Bondrewd. Watch them as well and then tell us your opinion. If you still think its not a dark series and has a bland plot, you can uphold your opinion and move forward. Not stopping you from doing that. keep in mind that just because people call a series dark, it need not be as dark as AoT. Every story has its own charm and it is not directed to the taste of every single person in the world. There is no such story plots which every single person will unanimously call a great plot Why do people always default to giving out summaries whenever someone criticises a series? Yeahh I’m aware of the synopsis, and I’m saying the end result is bland :/ I didn’t bring up aot so idk where that’s coming. It’s all conjecture |
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Mikasa said: Why do people always default to giving out summaries whenever someone criticises a series? My intention was not to give you a summary of the series. But since you mentioned that this show is about 2 typical shonen kids going down an elevator shaft, I found the necessity to point it out. You also said there are no issues or conflicts. But in the opposite, It actually has some of its own. Just that you think those issues and conflicts have no meaning to it, which I personally feel is neglecting the whole point of the plot. Like I said, there are certain shows you like, which I dont. And there are shows which I like and you dont. Thats just how people are. So whatever you are saying over here is a personal opinion, which I am respecting. But I'm insisting you take a different angle on how you view this story. I'm not imposing it, so you are free to ignore me. I honestly have no clue on what your favorites are other than AoT, HxH, Death Note and one more. I personay think AoT has the darkest premise among all the other favorites in your list. So I used that as a reference. I was not targeting you or mocking you for your tastes, so if you felt something like that, Then I'm sorry. |
| well the story is obviously unfinished so if you expect every 12 episode anime to have a magnificent and grand finale you are bound to be disappointed. There is currently a movie and an upcoming second season so maybe watch those before you decide. |
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| how is Mia bland in any way did we watch the same show??? |
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| i actually unironically feel kind of similar to OP. not trolling, i just didn't relate to the hype for this one. it definitely felt like torture porn, and in my opinion it doesn't take a particular good writer to just write torture porn. especially when the protagonists just so happen to be small children. like, hot take, but abusing basic human empathy so blatantly as a plot device is kind of pathetic—and as far as story is concerned, it hardly strays from that. for me, the best traits of the show were undoubtedly it's soundtrack and artstyle. but, for another hot take, i don't think the world-building was anything spectacular either. if you mean it transports you like a ghibli movie does, then that's fine, but the worldbuilding is pretty limited in it's complexity. MIA is memorable, albeit imo for the wrong reasons, in spite of a really well-executed aesthetic. |
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WigoSas said: Well one can consider MiA like that, maybe it's even possible that most people watch it for that reason Unfortunately hype works that way, people give opinions that they can't back up in the show so we get to watch something that we would have never watched if we knew the right premise What i really love about MiA is the opposition between the will of the kids to go down and the evil that the world can give. In a sense I love the fact that Riko said that she prefers to die rather than not doing what her vocation is, in that i see the struggle of choosing between a safe space or painful self realization In fact even if the world of the abyss is horrible, we see the pov of riko and and kinda see the wonders behind the horrors. And, at least for me, the watcher wants then to go even deeper knowing they'll have to deal with more pain than ever but also that they could see more wonders and feel realized i genuinely appreciate it when people give good reasons for enjoying shows i didn't. +respect i'll qualify my earlier statements by saying i think i could enjoy MiA too if the characters actually did get some of that painful self-realisation you've talked about. if the torture porn felt like it came with character exposition rather than torture for the sake of torture. the problem is, 'i have a goal i'll do anything/die to achieve' is the calling cry of every shounen protagonist ever. so if, given more episodes/movies/etc MiA developed the characters further, beyond these kind of basic motivations, i do think could end up really enjoying it as a longer-form piece of media. i just think it fails to be as incredible as others make it out to be within the limited amount of episodes/movie we have so far. does it have potential? for sure, anything with an aesthetic so clearly defined has plenty. not to mention, as you say, the setting has plenty of potential for amazing character writing. has it been disappointing so far nonetheless? for me, absolutely. taking the most recent film into account, the torture porn/excessive suffering aspect never felt it brought much to the table other than simply being there for it's own sake. you have at least convinced me to rewatch s1, though, with your interpretation in mind. so thanks. :3 |
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| I think you're underselling it a bit by only mentioning the visuals, MiA focuses a lot on its atmosphere, worldbuilding, lore, music, and indeed visuals, but I don't think it neglects the story and characters as well. I wanna talk a bit about the characters since I think they can carry a show in absence of a "striking" story. Our two main leads are very efficiently fleshed out in the first few episodes in terms of personality (Reg being this reserved and indecisive kid who's only goal is to discover who he is and slowly get close and protect Riko since she's his world basically. And Riko being a naive curious girl who usually bites way more than she could chew) and their dynamic isn't just a relationship in vacuum, one, they have this troop-like bond since if one dies, the other is guaranteed to follow, they have this weird infatuation with each other where Reg doesn't have much in life except Riko, and (the most interesting part in their dynamic imo) Riko sometimes sees Reg like he's this cool artifact she discovered instead of an actual human or friend. This (along with the controversial sexual scenes) is discussed in this video if you're interested. And these are just the two main leads, the mysterious Ozen and her resentment towards Riko for having to carry her from the bottom of the abyss and the promise she made to Lyza, Nanachi holding on to Mitty only to realize the biggest gift he/she could give her is to kill her, Bondrewd I think is a deeply interesting character in his unempathetic experiments, I haven't seen the MiA movie but I hear he gets really fleshed out there. I think all of this being done in 13 episodes is very satisfying, especially that (arguably) characters and story isn't the writer's biggest priority. Don't know if I changed your mind, this is all my opinion after all, but I welcome any response if you want to write your thoughts in a more in-depth manner :D |
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V1P3R0P said: Mikasa said: Why do people always default to giving out summaries whenever someone criticises a series? My intention was not to give you a summary of the series. But since you mentioned that this show is about 2 typical shonen kids going down an elevator shaft, I found the necessity to point it out. You also said there are no issues or conflicts. But in the opposite, It actually has some of its own. Just that you think those issues and conflicts have no meaning to it, which I personally feel is neglecting the whole point of the plot. Like I said, there are certain shows you like, which I dont. And there are shows which I like and you dont. Thats just how people are. So whatever you are saying over here is a personal opinion, which I am respecting. But I'm insisting you take a different angle on how you view this story. I'm not imposing it, so you are free to ignore me. I honestly have no clue on what your favorites are other than AoT, HxH, Death Note and one more. I personay think AoT has the darkest premise among all the other favorites in your list. So I used that as a reference. I was not targeting you or mocking you for your tastes, so if you felt something like that, Then I'm sorry. No hard feelings. I meant those conflicts are so mellow you fee nothing happened. No climax or even an anticlimax. It’s like going on a museum tour. They show off the world well enough but… |
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Nalusa_Falaya said: I think you're underselling it a bit by only mentioning the visuals, MiA focuses a lot on its atmosphere, worldbuilding, lore, music, and indeed visuals, but I don't think it neglects the story and characters as well. I wanna talk a bit about the characters since I think they can carry a show in absence of a "striking" story. Our two main leads are very efficiently fleshed out in the first few episodes in terms of personality (Reg being this reserved and indecisive kid who's only goal is to discover who he is and slowly get close and protect Riko since she's his world basically. And Riko being a naive curious girl who usually bites way more than she could chew) and their dynamic isn't just a relationship in vacuum, one, they have this troop-like bond since if one dies, the other is guaranteed to follow, they have this weird infatuation with each other where Reg doesn't have much in life except Riko, and (the most interesting part in their dynamic imo) Riko sometimes sees Reg like he's this cool artifact she discovered instead of an actual human or friend. This (along with the controversial sexual scenes) is discussed in this video if you're interested. And these are just the two main leads, the mysterious Ozen and her resentment towards Riko for having to carry her from the bottom of the abyss and the promise she made to Lyza, Nanachi holding on to Mitty only to realize the biggest gift he/she could give her is to kill her, Bondrewd I think is a deeply interesting character in his unempathetic experiments, I haven't seen the MiA movie but I hear he gets really fleshed out there. I think all of this being done in 13 episodes is very satisfying, especially that (arguably) characters and story isn't the writer's biggest priority. Don't know if I changed your mind, this is all my opinion after all, but I welcome any response if you want to write your thoughts in a more in-depth manner :D I get where you’re coming from. It’s just that all of this for me is the setup, the premise, and I waited for them to use those points you mentioned to tell the story, not for them to BE the story itself. Imagine if death note were just the killing montage from episode 1 spread over 37 episodes. Yeah we get the motivation, we get the premise, we get characterization, but the story goes nowhere. |
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Mikasa said: Nalusa_Falaya said: I think you're underselling it a bit by only mentioning the visuals, MiA focuses a lot on its atmosphere, worldbuilding, lore, music, and indeed visuals, but I don't think it neglects the story and characters as well. I wanna talk a bit about the characters since I think they can carry a show in absence of a "striking" story. Our two main leads are very efficiently fleshed out in the first few episodes in terms of personality (Reg being this reserved and indecisive kid who's only goal is to discover who he is and slowly get close and protect Riko since she's his world basically. And Riko being a naive curious girl who usually bites way more than she could chew) and their dynamic isn't just a relationship in vacuum, one, they have this troop-like bond since if one dies, the other is guaranteed to follow, they have this weird infatuation with each other where Reg doesn't have much in life except Riko, and (the most interesting part in their dynamic imo) Riko sometimes sees Reg like he's this cool artifact she discovered instead of an actual human or friend. This (along with the controversial sexual scenes) is discussed in this video if you're interested. And these are just the two main leads, the mysterious Ozen and her resentment towards Riko for having to carry her from the bottom of the abyss and the promise she made to Lyza, Nanachi holding on to Mitty only to realize the biggest gift he/she could give her is to kill her, Bondrewd I think is a deeply interesting character in his unempathetic experiments, I haven't seen the MiA movie but I hear he gets really fleshed out there. I think all of this being done in 13 episodes is very satisfying, especially that (arguably) characters and story isn't the writer's biggest priority. Don't know if I changed your mind, this is all my opinion after all, but I welcome any response if you want to write your thoughts in a more in-depth manner :D I get where you’re coming from. It’s just that all of this for me is the setup, the premise, and I waited for them to use those points you mentioned to tell the story, not for them to BE the story itself. Imagine if death note were just the killing montage from episode 1 spread over 37 episodes. Yeah we get the motivation, we get the premise, we get characterization, but the story goes nowhere. Yeah, I understand that, I think a part of me felt at the end of the first season that "ah, now we're starting" feeling even though we're 13 episodes deep so there's certainly more to be asked in the narrative department. But I think it reeled me and satisfied me enough to not dislike it but to want a richer story in the coming installments. So I think much will depend on the movie and upcoming season if they're gonna continue the narrative like that or really dig in the story and characters. |
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CJojo said: vanzeltwo said: MESSAGE TO EVERY WOKE UNSATISFIED ANIME WATCHER: stop posting your shit opinions. Calling people you don't like "woke" is very cringe. Not to mention being anti “woke” is a very nazi incel homophobic thing |
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