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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ah yes, Rika and her iconic miko performance returns this season. Cool to see again. This was another chilling episode from Rena's perspective. It seems they reflected back on Rena's huge fight with Keiichi from one of the early episodes from the first season. Chilling stuff. Time really flies when you're in that town really. The Rena knife scene was pretty grim... |
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| 16, June 1983 At that night, with a flashlight and a shovel, Rena went to dig something. Covered with cloth and tied by a rope Rena buried that wrapper. Rena covered the hole with soil and camouflaged the excavation with a grass. In the morning, Rena and the club were playing catch-up, it sounded like Zombies. Mion and Satoko become zombies and chase Rena, lol. Rena meets Rika, but Rika actually wants to eat Rena. Rena met with Keiichi but saw Keiichi washing his hands, Keiichi looked at the mirror and there was a ghost being reflected, lol. There are several scenes of Rena digging a hole to hide something. It's just that Rena suspects Keiichi, Rena is worried that Keiichi will leak that corpse. Even though at watanagashi Rena and Keiichi seem like couple. Rika's dance is truly sacred, after all it is a ritual for Oyashiro-sama. On the river, Rena thanked Oyashiro-sama and Keiichi lost Rena, Looks like Rena is watching Keiichi. The next day, Keiichi meets with Ooishi, the policeman. Rena wonders why Keiichi was called by the police. Rena was worried that Keiichi would be interrogated and leaked that corpse. Rena meets Satoko, it was a talking full of mystery. Rena and Keiichi went home together, Keiichi asked Rena if they were hiding something from Keiichi. Rena answered harshly, it was Usoda idk how i type this. The next day Rena met with Keiichi, Rena visited Keiichi's house. When Keiichi's father grabbed want to take a Snack for Rena, Rena walking to the stairs and headed to Keiichi's room.Rena caught Keiichi who was on the phone and talking to someone. Rena thought that Keiichi would leak the corpse to that police, Ooishi. Rena ran away from Keiichi's house, the act of worrying made Hinamizawa's syndrome develop rapidly, as a result Rena was in the final stages. Look how Rena scratched her own neck. A call from Keiichi's mother, Keiichi's mother told Rena to come to Keiichi's house to cook for Keiichi. Rena asks about Keiichi's father but Keiichi's mother replies that they will go to Tokyo together. Rena said goodbye to her father and immediately headed for Keiichi's house. It was dinner so Rena left at night. Arriving at Keiichi's house, Rena banged on the door violently as if Rena was going to break the door. The next day, Keiichi asked Rika. Keiichi asks Rika if Rena is really scary now, but Rika replies that Rena is just tired. at night Rena met with Keiichi. there Rika watched them, but when Keiichi hugged Rena and opened the door. That destiny happened, Rena vs Keiichi with that knife and those blood. The next day the school got news that Keiichi and Rena were covered in blood. Sensei reported that Rena died, while Keiichi was still in a coma. Hearing that, Rika couldn't believe it because this fate could happen again. Even though Rika had hoped that this timeline would be different. Rika tells Sensei that when it's over, Rika goes back home Rika took a knife and stabbed the knife into her neck. Rika commits suicide so she can restart this world to find a good destiny. Satoko comes and takes Rika's slashed knife, Satoko says that Satoko will follow Rika and will destroy Rika... Looper vs Looper, damn.... No comment for this eps.... SatoRika. |
| Additional, Until Rika gives up admission to regist for st. Lucia ... Satoko's pursuit doesn't stop to follow Rika, restart and restart. |
| Welp, I''m still not a fan of the gallons and gallons of blood they are using in here, that's too much. I can give unreliability to Rena and K1's bloody mess, but not to Rika's tbh, it's just too Mortal Kombat levels of gory. That nitpick aside, let's analyze what did we get from this: 1- This played out as a clever straightforward mirror to Onikakushi's illusion (what K1 THOUGHT that was happening when he was the one syndromed). Meaning most of his mirrored actions from Onikakushi funnily actually caused an incredibly similar scenario on Rena's counterpart instead, the cruel irony hurts specially bad when you just see that hug scene again, feels bad man... 2- As I expected, Tomitake and 34, as well as their entire sideplot keep being completely sidelined since they were just red herrings for Satoko in Newgurashi. Would be nice to see more of them again, but it would kinda be filler, I kinda understand why they went with 3 eps now, they just concluded all the rest here without expanding like the first 2 did (not much for VN readers, but for anime-onlies, some juicy Rena background that they skipped in the first one was certainly welcomed, as well as to Newgurashi onlies, as rare as they may be). 3- Also, I think we could just cut the quick recaps on the kids playing games, but it's so little and made just to give us a complete timeline, that it didn't bother me much. Would have liked to see some more new scenes instead though, dunno, like Rika going places or something. 4- My only actual negative with this ep is the missed opportunity to give us further info on K1 and Rena's aftermatch. Maybe reveal it wasn't all that bloody and thus why K1 survived (that's the manga counterpart), and to give us some insight on why he looked like he had injuries in other places. So yeah, that's kinda disappointing, would rather have 2 minutes of that instead of the recap Zombie tag. 5- Lastly, Wataakashi seems to be the most interesting and least straightforward background in Newgurashi, looking forward to the next EP. The first two eps were more substantial and packed than this one, which just close the dots from Rena's perspective, I hope Wata's eps are all more in those lines as well. Overall: The animation was really good and very well detailed. Not particularly in terms of well animated, but more in the lines of animation directing (the storyboard was strong, had great angles, with superb lighting). The script was tight and quick to cover the rest, but less substantial than the first two in general. I'd say 3.5/5 or 4/5, it did what I expected and wanted, but not enough of it. Hoping for the manga to expand those other bits (Then again, those sorts of things RARELY get revisited in a different perspective once more in any WTC. Meakashi was the cool exception, and even then, it was a completely different kakera altogether that happened to be very similar to Watanagashi). |
DanpmssJul 8, 2021 8:59 AM
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Si1verR0se said: Yeah, I was a little hesitant but this is an interesting viewpoints. It's just like Kai that always repeats to reach a happy ending.Anyone still gonna defend it? I mean, there's too little new scenes for "Answer arcs". 11 episodes will be nearly the same as in Gou... |
| Rika and Satoko's confrontation is just so tense, and with that crazy infected Rena's perspective it was even better, it makes me want to re-read Onikakushi-hen to be honest... well it resulted in Rika's suicide and then reset by Satoko... that scene was so bloody, maybe even too much xD it's still a bit unclear so far and it doesn't really go anywhere, but I suppose that they'll explain more during the next chapter, I just want to see what will happen between Rika and Satoko because it can't stay always the same |
AshhkJul 8, 2021 8:57 AM
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| Rena really cranked the Hinamizawa Syndrome deep within her soul... Playing a game of cat-and-mouse zombie-and-thigh, and Keiichi gave the game away about the missing case of Rina that how would he have known without Detective Ooishi's inquiries. The obvious mirroring of Onidamashi in Oniakashi aside from the changes in POV, it's clear that Oniakashi is setting the confrontation between Keiichi and Rena. The hugging scene between Keiichi and Rena is nice, but of course, we all know what happened in Onidamashi. And getting to understand Rika's anger is all the more scary with that realization, while Satoko is unfazed because she's the trigger, and will never let Oyashiro-sama leave her. Now I DO have a theory: since Gou has Onidamashi (Oniakashi), Watadamashi (Wataakashi), Tataridamashi, Nekodamashi and Satokowashi, Sotsu is aiming to have these 5 "Answer Arcs" X 3 episodes each condensed into 15 episodes...which is definitely the case. |
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Si1verR0se said: Unclear on what they plan to do next, since it's still the same situation between Satoko and RikaAshhk said: Rika and Satoko's confrontation is just so tense, and with that crazy infected Rena's perspective it was even better, well it resulted in Rika's suicide and then reset by Satoko... that scene was so bloody, maybe even too much xD it's still a bit unclear so far and it doesn't really go anywhere, but I suppose that they'll explain more during the next chapter, I just want to see what will happen between Rika and Satoko because it can't stay always the same What is unclear to you, may I ask? |
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Si1verR0se said: Keep on speculating, we'll only know as Sotsu progresses its own path. Owari.KANLen09 said: Rena really cranked the Hinamizawa Syndrome deep within her soul... Playing a game of cat-and-mouse zombie-and-thigh, and Keiichi gave the game away about the missing case of Rina that how would he have known without Detective Ooishi's inquiries. The obvious mirroring of Onidamashi in Oniakashi aside from the changes in POV, it's clear that Oniakashi is setting the confrontation between Keiichi and Rena. The hugging scene between Keiichi and Rena is nice, but of course, we all know what happened in Onidamashi. And getting to understand Rika's anger is all the more scary with that realization, while Satoko is unfazed because she's the trigger, and will never let Oyashiro-sama leave her. Now I DO have a theory: since Gou has Onidamashi (Oniakashi), Watadamashi (Wataakashi), Tataridamashi, Nekodamashi and Satokowashi, Sotsu is aiming to have these 5 "Answer Arcs" X 3 episodes each condensed into 15 episodes...which is definitely the case. Nope. There will be only 4 arcs in Sotsu(3-3-5-4 by number of episodes). My guess is: Oniakashi< Wataakashi, Tatariakashi and then new arc. No Nekodamashi answers, because it's too stupid to have a logic answers. |
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| It's literally what we expected. No new information. Zero. What was the point of this? These 3 episodes were mostly padding. When they cry answer arcs are supposed to reveal some important fact that turns everything on its head, or gives you a brand new perspective. What has this arc given us? Nothing. Honestly I just want to get to Tatari answer arc already. Just to see whether Satoko was responsible for the events at the end. |
| So I’m not gonna hold yall. I love the new Higu, more than the original. But it’s hard to defend the pacing they’ve started with so far. We have 3 eps released, almost no new scenes other than Satoko offing herself at the end, and now we have 12 more eps to get “answers”. We’re in the same position we were with the first season. There’ll have to be a third and fourth season to wrap stuff up at this pace. Also I still don’t see how the fuck Keichi survived being stabbed 50 times. And Rika slicing her neck and stomach and still not being dead lmao |
Marinate1016Jul 8, 2021 9:33 AM
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Si1verR0se said: Hmm OK, just checked as well, thanks for the clariffication.KANLen09 said: Keep on speculating, we'll only know as Sotsu progresses its own path. Owari. I mean, you can already see BD on their official site. And with Gou it worked as "Eeach disc - 1 arc". There's 4 discs for Sotsu, with 3-3-5-4 episodes, so... |
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| Pretty meh episode. Glad Oniakashi is over though. Episode 2 was pretty good. This was just alot of filler scenes and shit like "its exactly how you thought it would go". also now that we see that the fight with k1 and rena is actually how we saw it and not some effect of HZ, it kinda feels unnecessarily gory. Rena with a knife actually lost to K1 with a clock lol. Unless they can put in a flashblack later of what actually happened but then why even spend time to show it lol. Wataakashi should have more original scenes with Shmion switching (or not). |
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| Woah, I think this arc(Oniakashi) alone is way more scarier than the entire previous season. In term of directing and animation is also better than the last(Maybe because they also reuse the animation from the previous season) but still not as good as the original 2nd season(Kai). And also, is Rena stabbing K1 like 30 times canon? I did expect them to explain that scene like "Oh, it was an hallucination" whatever to make it believable, but they didn't so is it canon or not? |
NemozaZAug 6, 2021 4:46 PM
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| So Keichi survided to multiple stabs... They weren't a hallucination... Man... This show are worst than I was expected... It's not just Satoko's traps that are magic -_- |
| Couple bunch of recaps, the arcs name are a joke, cuz they didn't need a reveal in the first place. Even the manga confirmed it was Ooishi all along at Satoko's house in Tataridamashi. Sure, I didn't think it was Teppei, but I didn't notice by then how similar "oji-san" and "ooishi-san" sound, that was a good hint. |
Chargecoulomb said: It's literally what we expected. No new information. Zero. What was the point of this? These 3 episodes were mostly padding. When they cry answer arcs are supposed to reveal some important fact that turns everything on its head, or gives you a brand new perspective. What has this arc given us? Nothing. Honestly I just want to get to Tatari answer arc already. Just to see whether Satoko was responsible for the events at the end. Just watched all three episodes, and yeah, this. For the first two I was pretty much enjoying it, it wasn't really adding much new but the change in perspective was nice (and Rina's looped character development interesting), and then I saw this season has only fifteen episodes. Spent about 90% of episode 3 feeling impatient as hell and basically wanting to fast-forward. 3/15 episodes pretty much wasted. They could've covered this in a single episode, this arc was straightforward and we knew nearly everything already. We didn't even really need an answer arc for it, almost everything can be inferred by the time Gou ends. Satoko injected Rena? Shocker. Rena killed Rina? Didn't see that coming. Not feeling that optimistic about this season anymore. Also, why does Rika need to stab herself 15 times while Satoko just slits her throat once? You'd think after all those loops Rika would've gotten better at efficiently killing herself. But no, guess we needed a few blood fountains, which stopped as abruptly as they started because apparently blood pressure is not a thing in Hinamizawa...? |
| Oh, this blood splatter was a bit disturbing and pretty unreal, at the point it becomes funny how idiot it is. |
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| English: At the end of it all, Rika's nightmare concludes for the first time in Higurashi Sotsu. Rena continued her ambition to kill Keichi because of her suspicions about what he saw, at the same time Keichi continued to be suspicious of Rena's actions. Both sides were unsettled. Anyway, the most impactful moment was Rika's momentary happiness being destroyed after Rena died and Keichi was hospitalized. The suicide scene was so heavy and sad... I was very depressed by this stage. Rika's mentality was already crazed from the beginning... Ultimately, Satoko got what she wanted. What does she want with this? To put Rika in more despair? Honestly, Higurashi Sotsu is already being a pretty crazy show and yet it still has a lot going on. Portuguese: No fim de tudo, o pesadelo de Rika se conclui pela primeira vez em Higurashi Sotsu. Rena continua a sua ambição em matar Keichi por conta das suas suspeitas sobre o que ele viu, ao mesmo tempo que Keichi continuava suspeitando das ações de Rena. Ambos os lados estavam desestabilizados. De qualquer forma, o momento mais impactante foi a felicidade momentânea de Rika ser destruída após a morte de Rena e o Keichi hospitalizado. A cena do suicídio foi tão pesada e triste... Eu fiquei muito deprimido com esta etapa. A mentalidade de Rika já estava enlouquecida desde o início... No final das contas, Satoko teve o que queria. O que ela quer com isto? Colocar Rika em mais desesperos? Sinceramente, Higurashi Sotsu já está sendo um show bastante louco e mesmo assim ainda tem muita coisa para acontecer. Que venha o Wataakashi. |
| Meh, OK episode. Pretty much story told from Rena's POV, which is nothing new for people who've watched the original adaptation. I guess it was worth it just to hear great VA work from Nakahara (she is killing it in these 3 episodes). Was hoping for a little bit of plot twist or surprise, but ended with nothing special. Hopefully we get something more new/interesting in next arc. EDIT: I was also hoping that they revealed as to how/why Keiichi survived Rena's attack, but I guess not... |
| Okay, I'd a feeling this was going to be like an answer arc and here it is! Similar structure to Deen's version then, that's something that sits right with me at least. Amount of blood spillage however, not really. Rika-chama is too enthusiastic and positive to think that things would play out alright that late in the stage. But well. Cotton-Revealing arc next, let's see how that goes. |
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| Not bad, Rika knifing herself to death was pretty nostalgic. lol |
Erotaku_ said: I thought that was their reason for a recap. It wasn't needed, but now it also seems pointless.EDIT: I was also hoping that they revealed as to how/why Keiichi survived Rena's attack, but I guess not... |
| It WASN'T a hallucination? Bruh...I really don't know what to say about this...kinda bs if you ask me. In the past, there were few points that could defend this but now...and also so much blood for so little damage (you couldn't get so much blood spilled so fast even if you could cut a pig and let his blood drain). Aside from this nothing new except Satoko's little moments...I don't like where this route of remake+ new content combination is going tbh. Well, I'm waiting for more but I got some doubts about this. |
Ushiromiya Battler, right now, on this island, no one exists except for you. You're the only one alive in this island. However I'm here right now, and i'm about to kill you. Who... am I? |
| Damn, when someone's throat gets slit in an action movie they die in 1 slice, but Rika stabbed herself a dozen times. 🤣 |
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| Why are people on here trying so hard to understand why Keiichi survived 50 or so stabs to the stomach in this arc? In the original Higurashi Rika put a knife up a fucking wall and kept headbutting that mf for like 10 times before she dropped dead. Isn't it a bit useless to try to make sense of the gore in this? |
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| OK, I appreciate the reminder on the looping rules, as that's kind of an essential detail and I had forgotten how that all works. That aside, while I find it frustrating that we spent three episodes recapping this opening arc again, there were at least a couple of noteworthy answers to emerge from it: for one, we have confirmation of Satoko indeed being in control of the loops from here onward, though that was strongly implied to be the case already; and second, we see that in this loop it was Rena and not Keiichi who was afflicted with the Hinamizawa Syndrome, which explains the odd detail of how Rika was seemingly able to talk Keiichi down (if he truly had Hinamizawa Syndrome, that would never have worked). We also gained some more backstory details about Rena, and based on that I assume a chunk of this season is going to be working through these slightly adjusted versions of the early Higurashi Fragments that Satoko has recreated and gaining more backstory context for everyone else (i.e. next we'll likely be dealing with the Sonozaki twins' pasts in a new light). Presumably that will then gradually work back to the point where Rika figures out that Satoko is the other looper and uses the KO punch to set up the confrontation in the classroom, in which case a thought occurs: wouldn't the flashforwards to the future and introduction to Satoko's first few loops in control before Gou's beginning have made more sense to be placed in the Answer Arcs than the Question Arcs? Whatever the case proves to be, I hope they don't spend as long on the Sonozakis' arc as they did this one, as I feel like their backstory has been explored in more detail in the original series already and we wouldn't gain much new from doing so again (especially if the wider answers regarding the loop situation are also quite easy to infer as these were). We really need to get back to Satoko and Rika directly confronting each other to really get some proper answers and resolution to all of this. |
Si1verR0se said: Magical_Bananana said: Why are people on here trying so hard to understand why Keiichi survived 50 or so stabs to the stomach in this arc? In the original Higurashi Rika put a knife up a fucking wall and kept headbutting that mf for like 10 times before she dropped dead. Isn't it a bit useless to try to make sense of the gore in this? Yeah, let's compare "5 hits in the neck that kills little girl" with "40 stabs in the stomach, along with at least 12 hours bleeding that DIDN'T kill Keichi". You're genius Ah it was the neck, my bad. Thought it was the head, been a while since I watched it. Still is an anime though, they want it to be over the top so I still don't see the point in caring about it so much. |
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| You know, this would have been a great episode content if not for a few problems. Note how I said episode content, not episode. The good: -Creepy Rena -Rika thinking they wont kill each other -Rena going through what Keichi did when he killed Teppei. -Rika's despair and Rika putting an end to that fragment. For her at least. The bad: -Pace. Wtf is that? It is basically nonexistent. It is so bad that sudden cuts for creepy moments(Rena before the usoda) end up being ruined because it looks like we skip scenes again. This sucks a lot since the same scene in Gou was very good. -Rena repeating the same shit in order for us to understand that she is losing it.Yeah we didnt get it at all. -Now the scratch marks disappear as well on command. Mfs can say anything they want about the animation of the og but they had attention to detail at least. -Satoko vs Rika "main" plot. If it wasnt for this shit, this arc would have more eps, at leatst 1 more, and it would actually have been good. - The stabbing scene wasnt a hallucination. So not only did Higurashi turn into a b movie horror flick with extra blood for an entire vampire colony(this applies in all gore scenes), it also makes zero sense how Keichi survived but Rena died. Or maybe she didnt and she escaped? Nah who cares we need to see Satoko being evil and finger snapping. In the end what happened was exactly what most people theorized back in ep4 of Gou. Well, except that the murder scene was real at the end... Magical_Bananana said: Why are people on here trying so hard to understand why Keiichi survived 50 or so stabs to the stomach in this arc? In the original Higurashi Rika put a knife up a fucking wall and kept headbutting that mf for like 10 times before she dropped dead. Isn't it a bit useless to try to make sense of the gore in this? Drugged Rika repeatedly slammed her neck to a knife and died in seconds, Keichi survived 50 stabs wounds with only some scratches to the head. Yeah....Sure.Totally comparable. Chargecoulomb said: I am more interest in what happened between Mion and Shion in the next arc.Honestly I just want to get to Tatari answer arc already. Just to see whether Satoko was responsible for the events at the end. Satoko also seemed to not know what happened to Rika. Ofc, that doesnt mean that it matters to the plot. It is just curiosity. |
Si1verR0se said: Magical_Bananana said: Ah it was the neck, my bad. Thought it was the head, been a while since I watched it. Still is an anime though, they want it to be over the top so I still don't see the point in caring about it so much. Don't worry about it. Sorry if I sounded a bit agressive. I mean, okay it's a "B-grade splatter", but it doesn't change the fact that it's inconsistent. Either go full splatter, or don't go to splatter at all. Why some characters dying normally, some just unkillable, and some dying from PLASTIC ALARM CLOCK? The developers didn't bother with consistentcy, even though they said "We'll gonna be loyal to the original, and we will realise full potential, and try to be better than Deen's version". Nuff said. Solid take my guy. |
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