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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This is episode 23 on Crunchy Roll That was a fantastic episode, it seemed a bit abrupt to start immediately the way it did but they handled this integral part of the story very well. |
TheCommonerDec 5, 2019 5:10 PM
| oberstein jumping in between ansbach and reinhard was ova-original, but such a small detail still did a lot for his character. dunno why they couldn't have put that in like 5 frames or something. all the best parts were still preserved tho, right down to reinhard's heartbreaking denial i still have a soft spot for the narrator, but i can't help but like him less and less. the time that was spent on the narrator talking about how reinhard felt could've been better conveyed through lengthening his thoughts and actions on the flagship that were barely even shown here |
Aure0linDec 5, 2019 9:37 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| Oh wow. I expected this to happen eventually, but not so soon and all of a sudden. This was really tough to watch :( To make matters worse for Reinhard, he also lost his sister. The starved beast in him is fully unleashed now. |
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| Miyano Mamoru's voice acting though ... |
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| God tier episode. They really did justice that part of the series. Also, it was about time to see Oberstein being much more active too. Reinhard now lost both his childhood friend and his sister. Mamoru Miyano's voice acting here was simply top-notch to say the least. |
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| Amazing episode. Poor Reinhard :( His past is crumbling before his very eyes, but now he has to seize the future to make up for it. |
| A truly fantastic episode, probably one of my favorites out of the new remake. Only one more episode left, I hope S3 will get announced in the near future, as the story and the pace starts to pick up and we get deeper into the juicy parts |
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| I already know what will happen, but this still struck me T_T (not as bad as the OVA does) THE REST OF THE SERIES WOULD BE BETTER IF ONLY KIRCHEIS WERE HERE Btw, #ObersteinDidNothingWrong I don't really remember, but does Reinhardt asked Annerose whether she love Kircheis or not like this? I need more Hilda :( I really love when Reinhardt told Reuenthal that they can usurp him if they want in the future. This can't be a foreshadowing is it? P.s : I thought this episode will be the last one. Pleasantly surprised. |
| I had a feeling about that since the first episode... off :( But really... isn't it a bit weird to stop it here? There's one more episode... how can they end it this fast? |
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| What an amazing episode Miyano Mamouro 's voice acting was perfect I wonder if they announce another season or not |
JuuzouXIII said: I really love when Reinhardt told Reuenthal that they can usurp him if they want in the future. This can't be a foreshadowing is it? P.s : I thought this episode will be the last one. Pleasantly surprised. Also thought this would be the final episode given it had Sieg's death, but nice to see there's another. Can't remember if the OVAs had Reinhard's declaration towards future prospecting usurpers in quite the same circumstances, but he definitely said something to that effect in the OVAs too. |
| Loved the ending to this episode. It was incredibly well constructed Reinhard flags his ship to leave with that lingering shot of him waving his arm.The camera then switches an angle showing the ship changing from behind Reinhardt while the narrator re-contextualizes his grief and how he will cope with losing Kircheis plus his sister by fighting stronger opponents, namely Yang Wen-li. The final shot is the camera slowly pulling out to see his fleet prepare for lightspeed with the episode title fading into the bottom right of the shot. |
Horn_dawg_2019 said: have some ulterior motives , cu'z why would he want them admiral to kill Marquis Licthenlade went he already made a deal with Reinhart??? Political alliances are fickle things. Reinhard's ultimate goal was using the power struggle to seize power himself, as an outsider. This would have been impossible with Lichtenlade positioning himself as regent and would have just led to another power struggle down the line. Pre-empting it and striking him down early was the ideal move, and killing his male relatives prevented an easy figurehead from showing up and rallying the dissatisfied nobility. Still, I'm not a huge fan of what he's doing. But it does come with the territory of being both an absolute monarchy and, to a degree, a meritocracy. |
| I liked how in the OVA they had Oberstein jump in front of Reinhard when the weapon was aimed at him. I missed that here. It was still a powerful scene overall though. It sure is lonely at the top for Reinhard now, but sadly, he's only reaping what he's sown. |
| Good episode, but the "just not as good as the original" feeling is back. I wasnt ready for Kircheis to die again, especially so soon (this is just the second season after all). With the fast pacing of Westerland I knew this was coming soon, but I really missed more inside there already. It had way more time to settle in the original. I guess this is the downside of having this show as movies, the pacing gets too fast. Overall it was still good, it was a small climax and emotional moment after all and the voice acting was there as well. Good to see Hilda again, she really needs more screentime. Looking forward for more though and I hope we wont have to wait a year again. I really want to binge the original now, but that would completely ruin this adaption. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
Zeurivar said: it was oberstein's idea to revoke kircheis's privileges since he didn't want kircheis to stand out as the pet favorite in a military unit.As someone who hasn't seen nor read the original series, MANNN that hit me hard. I've always adored Kircheis as a character and I felt that he was needed as both a buffer and emotional bumper for Reinhard to continue his ambitions. Which begs the question to what just transpired in this episode. Why was Kircheis revoked of his privilege to carry his weapon in at this particular time? Why did no one notice that Ansbach had placed a ROCKET LAUNCHER, right next to his deceased lord or did someone allow it to slip in? I've noticed (and greatly appreciate) that you guys mentioned that Oberstein jumped in between to save Reinhard in the ova but why do I feel like someone on the inside is conspiring against Reinhard? P/S: I might be overthinking this, but to those with knowledge, just clarify whether I'm overthinking this or I'm going somewhere with this. ansbach hid his hand cannon inside braunschweig's body. that's why he ordered those men to send the dead body to the medical center. |
Aure0linDec 6, 2019 6:22 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| yeah the bazooka was a wtf moment, i guess it could be excused with sci fi tech so it doesnt bother me, the death scene an Reinhards reaction though was some brilliant stuff, this remake is the the same level as the original OVA imo, the only thing it lacks is a Symphony 9 Dvorak playing in the background of a massive space battle TLDR Oberstein did nothing wrong |
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| Oh no why does it have to be Kircheis? This is too sad Now Reinhard sister is leaving him too! I hope they will announce the third season |
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| I felt like I missed something involving the sister. What exactly does she know/Oberstein told her. A great episode and an unexpected rocket launcher as a bonus |
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| They make Anneroses answer to Reinhardt about her feelings for Kircheis much less ambiguous than in the OVA |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Even when i knew what was coming it still hit me hard |
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| such perfection...this episode! rip Reinhardo also lost his sis... 5/5. |
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| That was the empire part of the last chapter of volume 2. Next episode seems it will be about Kircheis and Reinhard as well (episode title about "friend") instead of the alliance part of the last chapter. (Maybe they'll fit that in very short/fast paced though.) |
| We finally got to the first big moment of the novel. Goodbye Kircheis. This episode was also one of Oberstein's best moments so far. The story really starts from here, too bad they didn't announce a new season yet. |
| And so it starts: If only Kircheis were here. |
  “The most shameless thing in the world is political power that can be inherited regardless of ability or talent!” |
| @Daniel_Naumov The new adaptation covers 20% of the novel. The old OVA is a complete adaptation. |
Daniel_Naumov said: AdrianRubinsky said: @Daniel_Naumov The new adaptation covers 20% of the novel. The old OVA is a complete adaptation. ...Extreme. Are there any news or estimates by the production committee, how long is the whole adaptation going to take/are they planning on adapting it all? I'm guessing they'll adapt all the volumes, this'll be one of those long-term projects for the studio, and it'll probably last for the next 5-10 years, especially if they continue the trend of a season/novel(ish) a year. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: _cjessop19_ said: I'm guessing they'll adapt all the volumes, this'll be one of those long-term projects for the studio, and it'll probably last for the next 5-10 years, especially if they continue the trend of a season/novel(ish) a year. Might as well go and read the wiki... but I will try to see it through. If it is AT LEAST one per year. Might as well read the novels, that’s what I’m doing right now, I’m up to volume 2, at the point somewhere in movie 1 |
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Daniel_Naumov said: the ova took nearly a decade to fully release, so you can expect a similar timeline for this adaptation AdrianRubinsky said: @Daniel_Naumov The new adaptation covers 20% of the novel. The old OVA is a complete adaptation. ...Extreme. Are there any news or estimates by the production committee, how long is the whole adaptation going to take/are they planning on adapting it all? Daniel_Naumov said: i dont think he was completely joking, reinhard was likely feeling genuinely suicidal after his two biggest reasons for living have left himThe whole scene when he talks about executing children and possibly going wrong like Goldenbaum is more than just foreshadowing - he has changed after the lose of Kircheis. Reuenthal is clearly fazed when the Emperor they all tremendously support starts joking that if the time comes they are welcome to contest him. This is a sign of going insane on the Emperor's part. plus we've already seen mittermeyer get tempted by the state seal, and the rest of the admirals didn't get to their stations by being complacent |
Aure0linDec 9, 2019 3:48 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
| Aww man, that poor Reinhard he is now the most powerful man in the Empire, and possibly even in the entire galaxy... but he lost his friend and his sister. Poor Reinhard, I always admired that he was a good man, but man, he had to die huh, leaving Reinhard all alone. They foreshadowed this before, but I still am shocked and saddened, way to go, this series. |
| “What do you do when there is an evil you cannot defeat by just means? Do you stain your hands with evil to destroy evil? Or do you remain steadfastly just and righteous even if it means surrendering to evil?” β Lelouch Vi Britannia |
| I didn't watch the old OVA, this was so sad. I didn't see that coming... Let's see how the story will continue from here. |
| I cried again. T_T maybe I should rewatch the whole OVA as well |
| Why, you say... Don't you get it? If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change. |
Bambang_Tri_W said: I was expecting that line after Reinhard stormed out of the room, but instead we see Oberstein fade into darkness. Oh well at least Oberstein's big moment was as glorious as beforeI miss Oberstein's quote "Shadows must accompany their light. But if the light dims, don't the shadows too?" πππ |
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| RIP Kircheis. Died way too young. It definitely feels like his death is going to have a significant impact on Reinhard's character. |
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Aure0lin said: Zeurivar said: it was oberstein's idea to revoke kircheis's privileges since he didn't want kircheis to stand out as the pet favorite in a military unit.Why was Kircheis revoked of his privilege to carry his weapon in at this particular time? I actually thought it was Reinhard's order, because of their fight earlier It's possible Oberstein had suggested this earlier, but Reinhard never agreed to it until now btw... They say no one is allowed to carry weapons, but the guards convoying the prisoners do have weapons, so it was a stupid idea in the first place... Also, according to subs Mittermeyer says "Leave the deserters behind" (13:33), but why would there be deserters? And so many to boot - 17,000 among 20,000 ships? In the OVA, Mittermeyer says the very same line (ep. 25, 11:17), but it's translated as "laggards", which is a bit different from "deserters" |
SerhiykoMar 25, 2020 1:35 PM
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Serhiyko said: reinhard is the one giving the orders, but oberstein put the idea in his headI actually thought it was Reinhard's order, because of their fight earlier It's possible Oberstein had suggested this earlier, but Reinhard never agreed to it until now btw... They say no one is allowed to carry weapons, but the guards convoying the prisoners do have weapons, so it was a stupid idea in the first place... in real life militaries, there are officers whose jobs are to give the commands and enlisted whose jobs are to obey those commands. logh follows that structure. reinhard, oberstein, and kircheis are all high ranking officers who do not need to carry weapons. none of the other admirals carry weapons either. the guards are enlisted members who do not have the authority to command anyone but lower ranking enlisted. it's their job to directly enforce order. reinhard giving kircheis the freedom to carry a sidearm was a blatant show of favoritism that's only compounded by all the other privileges that kircheis got. Also, according to subs Mittermeyer says "Leave the deserters behind" (13:33), but why would there be deserters? And so many to boot - 17,000 among 20,000 ships? In the OVA, Mittermeyer says the very same line (ep. 25, 11:17), but it's translated as "laggards", which is a bit different from "deserters" |
Aure0linMar 25, 2020 2:08 PM
| "I like young-girl sexual creations, Lolicon is just one hobby of my many hobbies," he says. I ask what his wife, standing nearby, thinks of his "hobby". "She probably thinks no problem," he replies. "Because she loves young boys sexually interacting with each other." |
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