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Apr 15, 2018 11:30 AM
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Why does Cutie Honey Universe have such a low score ???? Its a classic magical girl show done by Go Nagai i really thought after Devilman Crybaby came out that people will recognize his other works like this one.... This show deserves more attention come on people a 6.00 really?
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Traeria said:
Why does Cutie Honey Universe have such a low score ???? Its a classic magical girl show done by Go Nagai i really thought after Devilman Crybaby came out that people will recognize his other works like this one.... This show deserves more attention come on people a 6.00 really?
only 483 people seeing it, wtf
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Traeria said:
Why does Cutie Honey Universe have such a low score ???? Its a classic magical girl show done by Go Nagai i really thought after Devilman Crybaby came out that people will recognize his other works like this one.... This show deserves more attention come on people a 6.00 really?
only 483 people seeing it, wtf

no not really it has 9305 total members with 3975 watching it
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Pretty simple explanation actually.. A "6" is "Fine" and this show's nothing special so far. :(

They're taking a lot of obvious animation shortcuts, the trapped-in-a-light-tube fight scenes suck, the level of sexuality is extremely high while being astonishingly unsexy, etc.

Abandoning the classic theme song also feels shitty and probably knocking a good 1-2 full points off most raters scores on it's own.
Apr 15, 2018 12:12 PM
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I wouldn't say that the fights suck that much its decent in my opinion. Yeah i was also was pretty bummed that the classic Op wasn't in this one as the previous Cutie Honey animes had them , also as you should know its Go Nagais work so you should already know that it has some sexual scenes as the previous animes had them too the only one that didnt had it was Cutie Honey Flash as it was made more of an kids friendly show in the 90s. In my opinion it deserves a better score as there are more worser shows that came out from this season but have a better score then this.
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the level of sexuality is extremely high while being astonishingly unsexy

Wait do you mean that 6 is fine while devilman crybaby features way more crude scenes which are probably as "unsexy" and has a very decent 8.11?

Imo a large portion of people watching CHU aren't aware of what it actually is and are rating it like "it's another eroshit anime with crappy 80's design, let's give it 1/10"
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Emilia-Sama said:
deadman80 said:
the level of sexuality is extremely high while being astonishingly unsexy

Wait do you mean that 6 is fine while devilman crybaby features way more crude scenes which are probably as "unsexy" and has a very decent 8.11?

Imo a large portion of people watching CHU aren't aware of what it actually is and are rating it like "it's another eroshit anime with crappy 80's design, let's give it 1/10"
Exactly thats what i think so too. People are just not aware of what it exactly is and are giving it like you said a really bad score.
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don't forget to factor in the oldfags that lowscore new adaptations of their childhood favs
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only 483 people seeing it, wtf

no not really it has 9305 total members with 3975 watching it

think they mean 843 rated it? idk
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Emilia-Sama said:
deadman80 said:
the level of sexuality is extremely high while being astonishingly unsexy

Wait do you mean that 6 is fine while devilman crybaby features way more crude scenes which are probably as "unsexy" and has a very decent 8.11?

Imo a large portion of people watching CHU aren't aware of what it actually is and are rating it like "it's another eroshit anime with crappy 80's design, let's give it 1/10"


well, are they wrong? it's nothing special so far, definitely shouldn't be compared to Crybaby
this being made by Nagai and having previous (better) iterations doesn't change what it is
we haven't got anything remotely interesting yet, and artstyle, fanservice and fights suck compared to 94's shin too
I'm disappointed tbh, but I will see it through to the end

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6 is fine by MAL standards so that alright

the execution and story is standard and nothing special, im just giving this a high score of 8 because i like the sakuga scenes and Honey is one of the all time sexy woman like Fujiko from Lupin III franchise
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Imaishi said:
Emilia-Sama said:

Wait do you mean that 6 is fine while devilman crybaby features way more crude scenes which are probably as "unsexy" and has a very decent 8.11?

Imo a large portion of people watching CHU aren't aware of what it actually is and are rating it like "it's another eroshit anime with crappy 80's design, let's give it 1/10"


well, are they wrong? it's nothing special so far, definitely shouldn't be compared to Crybaby
this being made by Nagai and having previous (better) iterations doesn't change what it is
we haven't got anything remotely interesting yet, and artstyle, fanservice and fights suck compared to 94's shin too
I'm disappointed tbh, but I will see it through to the end



Go Nagai isn’t making Universe and he didn’t make crybaby either. Those are all adaptations of his manga.

Also he’s right. Devilman Crybaby isn’t any better than Cutie Honey Universe as an adaptation. To see score this low for what I would consider to be a rather solid beginning just goes to show much I do not care about MAL’s audience and their tastes.

Personally speaking, I enjoyed Universe’s art style a whole lot more than Crybaby’s.
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well, are they wrong? it's nothing special so far, definitely shouldn't be compared to Crybaby
this being made by Nagai and having previous (better) iterations doesn't change what it is
we haven't got anything remotely interesting yet, and artstyle, fanservice and fights suck compared to 94's shin too
I'm disappointed tbh, but I will see it through to the end



Go Nagai isn’t making Universe and he didn’t make crybaby either. Those are all adaptations of his manga.

Also he’s right. Devilman Crybaby isn’t any better than Cutie Honey Universe as an adaptation. To see score this low for what I would consider to be a rather solid beginning just goes to show much I do not care about MAL’s audience and their tastes.

Personally speaking, I enjoyed Universe’s art style a whole lot more than Crybaby’s.


Of course I know that, lol, I'm speaking about the source author because that's the reason people here are bringing it up, even though it doesn't really matter.

He didn't really say anything about how good Crybaby is as an adaptation, so what is he right about? And it doesn't really matter, we're judging anime and not if it's strictly following a manga from 40 years ago.


Anyway, I just disagree the current rating is anything strange, and find it perfectly reasonable. The 'a large portion of people watching CHU aren't aware of what it actually is' is especially funny, because it IS NOT anything more (yet?), we got an introduction and some honestly low quality action. Why would you expect it to be rated anything higher than that? What is there to hook people in, besides maybe being fan of the original - and there aren't many of these nowadays? It offers nothing remotely interesting, especially if one is new to the franchise, so people don't rate it high.
If it actually gets good, the rating will change, but for now I don't think it deserves anything more than that.

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This show is a 6 for me atm and it's a positive score imo. Shin Cutey Honey and Re: were just better.

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I think the score may also have something to do with this being many people's first exposure to the franchise. I came into this knowing nothing about the franchise and giving it no extra weight for being based on a "classic" or whatever and to me it was just ultra-pandering, weird fanservice without much in the way of substance.
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It lacks everything.

>The fights look just plain bad, the story delivers no impact.
>the death of Dr. Kisaragi felt like a totally obvious plot device...
>everything feel like a plot device, there's really no substance here.

The only good thing this anime has to offer is lusting all over Honey's body...and that's only when the frames look OK.

for a newcomer to the franchise, it feels like this anime is playing every posible cliche an anime can play. So it looses any element of surprise.

it's not even mindless fun like Killing Bites, it's mindless boring.

Maybe I'll drop it and watch the Shin Cutie Honey OVAS instead.
Apr 16, 2018 2:29 AM
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I think the score may also have something to do with this being many people's first exposure to the franchise.


i think its nothing more than this

i mean.. its pretty much the same thing as the others, so i have to assume either people havent seen them or they just wanted something different


this is one of the series that pioneered the sexy badass female who transforms into a superhero, i guess people can't even give it points for that even if they don't like fanservice or w/e


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I dont like the annoying ugly old people and the furries, otherwise I would have rated it higher
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To me... this is better than the old 70' show and shin cutey honey. Re:Cutey Honey is still the best for now.

The first one have plain villains and arcs without substance, kept myself entertained because of Honey's charisma.

Shin had a solid story...at the beginning... and then it was reduced in lolrandom without plot at all.

Universe presents some a consistent start (counting the second episode, the first was confusing for people who did not see anything from eHoney before) with the manga, but they add depth to Sister Jill, which is intriguing.
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Traeria said:
Why does Cutie Honey Universe have such a low score ???? Its a classic magical girl show done by Go Nagai i really thought after Devilman Crybaby came out that people will recognize his other works like this one.... This show deserves more attention come on people a 6.00 really?


Cutie Honey Universe is now being recognized. Being recognized doesn't mean being positively received. I don't think it's fair to bring up Devilman Crybaby because both of these shows try to do very different things.
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Because it's boring, maybe? It hasn't done anything wrong, but it's just so low energy that there's nothing to be excited about.

One episode into Crybaby and you were in for a ride that was going to be fucking crazy. Two episodes into this and it's a bog standard monster of the week show with characters that lack any real dynamics with each other.
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Emilia-Sama said:
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the level of sexuality is extremely high while being astonishingly unsexy

Wait do you mean that 6 is fine while devilman crybaby features way more crude scenes which are probably as "unsexy" and has a very decent 8.11?

Imo a large portion of people watching CHU aren't aware of what it actually is and are rating it like "it's another eroshit anime with crappy 80's design, let's give it 1/10"

That doesn't make sense Space battleship Yamato and Devilman are doing much better. It's not the designs its the show.
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TitanAnteus said:
Emilia-Sama said:

Wait do you mean that 6 is fine while devilman crybaby features way more crude scenes which are probably as "unsexy" and has a very decent 8.11?

Imo a large portion of people watching CHU aren't aware of what it actually is and are rating it like "it's another eroshit anime with crappy 80's design, let's give it 1/10"

That doesn't make sense Space battleship Yamato and Devilman are doing much better. It's not the designs its the show.


That's subjetive, for example I like the Devilman manga but I have my issues with crybaby... otherwise with Yamato there is nothing to object, I liked it more than the first original season.

With Yamato they changed things and added others, but the essence remains.

With Crybaby I feel that the original message is diluted in symbolism and sub-plots.
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Because it's boring, maybe? It hasn't done anything wrong, but it's just so low energy that there's nothing to be excited about.

One episode into Crybaby and you were in for a ride that was going to be fucking crazy. Two episodes into this and it's a bog standard monster of the week show with characters that lack any real dynamics with each other.

The monster of the week with sister Jill playing a double role is already far more interesting than what was presented in Crybaby. The character dynamics and characterisation arealso actually better here too.

Do you seriously think that Akira had any actual dynamic with Ryo going on? It was one sided and he was a dumbass for the whole show. Even the Devilman manga did his characterisation much better.
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Devilman is edgy as shit so it appeals to all of the edgelords (not that it's necessarily bad). Cutie Honey's sexual sense of humour goes against the prudes who can't take a joke, of which there are a lot of.
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Not sexy? Are you fucking crazy lad. This deserves atleast a 7.
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I'm watching it (as I am all seasonal shows), and gave it a 6/10, and that's being pretty generous. It could be like a 7.5 if it was the 1980s or early 90's maybe.


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Because it's boring, maybe? It hasn't done anything wrong, but it's just so low energy that there's nothing to be excited about.

One episode into Crybaby and you were in for a ride that was going to be fucking crazy. Two episodes into this and it's a bog standard monster of the week show with characters that lack any real dynamics with each other.

The monster of the week with sister Jill playing a double role is already far more interesting than what was presented in Crybaby. The character dynamics and characterisation arealso actually better here too.

Do you seriously think that Akira had any actual dynamic with Ryo going on? It was one sided and he was a dumbass for the whole show. Even the Devilman manga did his characterisation much better.

I wasn't actually trying to compare the two on that. Crybaby establishes in one episode how it's going to be a gloriously gratuitous, psycho-sexual romp. Universe has had two episodes that seem to be two more-eventful-than-average days in Honey's life. All it's done is lay out the cast, with the major ones having supportive roles for Honey. Sister Jill is the only attempt at a complex character in this.
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But Devilman is not supposed to be a "a gloriously gratuitous, psycho-sexual romp" and that's where crybaby fails. Even the night party had a reason to be in the manga.
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The score has dropped to 5.94, so it should be okay now.
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Its terrible.

I watched episode one and there was nothing good.
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Maybe it's due to the expectations of the people that watched the original. As an introduction to the franchise, I quite like it to be fairly honest.
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Maybe it's due to the expectations of the people that watched the original.


There are many different anime adaptations of Cutey Honey, not just one. And most people who watch this either know nothing about Honey or only watched Re: Cutey Honey.
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Maybe it's due to the expectations of the people that watched the original.


There are many different anime adaptations of Cutey Honey, not just one.

I think you misunderstood what I meant.

I meant original installments or previous installments, which this doesn't live up to those. That's all I'm saying. xP
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There are many different anime adaptations of Cutey Honey, not just one.

I think you misunderstood what I meant.

I meant original installments or previous installments, which this doesn't live up to those. That's all I'm saying. xP


There is no such thing as "original installment " of Honey is what I am saying. And "previous" and "original" are completely different words with completely different meanings. Capiche?
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I think you misunderstood what I meant.

I meant original installments or previous installments, which this doesn't live up to those. That's all I'm saying. xP


There is no such thing as "original installment " of Honey is what I am saying. And "previous" and "original" are completely different words with completely different meanings. Capiche?

Okay, maybe I didn't got much details about that. Then again my language isn't English (my main is language so)
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Not to down trodden Cutie Honey. Because I will watch it and this adaptation looks incredible. But A) Just because it's by an influential person in the anime/manga sphere doesn't automatically mean this adaptation is good nor does it mean all his work is a masterpiece B) Hi-Dive got the streaming license this season and HD is still an up and coming streaming platform C) We're two episodes in and only idiots rate shit before end of season,unless they dropped it but people drop shit after episode one.
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There is no such thing as "original installment " of Honey is what I am saying. And "previous" and "original" are completely different words with completely different meanings. Capiche?

Okay, maybe I didn't got much details about that. Then again my language isn't English (my main is language so)


I think i can explain you, most people just watched Re:Cutey Honey.

But What is Re:Cutey Honey?

An adaptation from a Live Action movie taking many liberties.... and the film itself took many liberties with respect to the original manga changing many concepts.

Those who just watched Re: Cutey Honey expected something very different from what they gave us.

Universe also takes some liberties, but is focused on the original plot.

Here is an example:

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B) Hi-Dive got the streaming license this season and HD is still an up and coming streaming platform C) We're two episodes in and only idiots rate shit before end of season,unless they dropped it but people drop shit after episode one.

B) I doubt whether the official streaming platform has any significant impact on MAL scores. Amazon's Anime Strike failed so badly that it was scrapped within its first year, along with their deal with Sentai, during which time it had the most hyped show of the year https://myanimelist.net/anime/34599/Made_in_Abyss and another breakout hit, https://myanimelist.net/anime/35838/Shoujo_Shuumatsu_Ryokou (those shows were on HiDive for some countries).

C) The purpose of the ratings on my Watching list is to quickly communicate, to any viewer, my favor toward each show in its current uncompleted state. I think it's unconstructively hurtful that you say doing this makes me an "idiot." The site could have been designed to not show scores at all until a show finishes, but instead, it's clearly intended to allow the user base to pass malleable judgment on shows live as they come out.

Does that result in people skipping shows they would have enjoyed, merely because of an initially low MAL score? Of course! But they're to blame for low-effort decision-making. I haven't started CHU. I just came to the page to check the score: oh dear. Then I read this thread: ah, okay. I'll decide when to watch it (immediately, in 2-5 years, never) based on reviews from franchise fans after the season ends.

On the positive side, the live rating system means we get to watch interesting phenomena such as the wildly shifting score of Kemono Friends over the course of its run. I like it better this way, even though my favorite show of last season was rated low until the season ended (Hakumei to Mikochi).

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As far as I can remember, shows I had issues with, but stuck with to completion, have only ever gone further down in score by the end, not up. Examples: Index, One Punch Man, SDF Macross, Noragami, Escaflowne, Ergo Proxy, Last Exile.

I believe the onus is entirely on each website's staff to decide what completion percentage earns the right to influence a show's score. With MAL having decided on 1/5th, the site's anime ranking by definition inclusively represents the opinions of people who dropped shows halfway. Abstinence from rating [uncompleted] shows is merely a choice not to use the system the way it was designed to work.

User scores inevitably reflect, first and foremost, a show's ability to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I see nothing noble, nothing sacred, nothing worth defending in the user rating system.

I should add, being able to "appeal to the lowest common denominator" isn't necessarily bad. I'd say most of my favorites in any medium have that ability.
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B) Hi-Dive got the streaming license this season and HD is still an up and coming streaming platform C) We're two episodes in and only idiots rate shit before end of season,unless they dropped it but people drop shit after episode one.

B) I doubt whether the official streaming platform has any significant impact on MAL scores. Amazon's Anime Strike failed so badly that it was scrapped within its first year, along with their deal with Sentai, during which time it had the most hyped show of the year https://myanimelist.net/anime/34599/Made_in_Abyss and another breakout hit, https://myanimelist.net/anime/35838/Shoujo_Shuumatsu_Ryokou (those shows were on HiDive for some countries).

C) The purpose of the ratings on my Watching list is to quickly communicate, to any viewer, my favor toward each show in its current uncompleted state. I think it's unconstructively hurtful that you say doing this makes me an "idiot." The site could have been designed to not show scores at all until a show finishes, but instead, it's clearly intended to allow the user base to pass malleable judgment on shows live as they come out.

Does that result in people skipping shows they would have enjoyed, merely because of an initially low MAL score? Of course! But they're to blame for low-effort decision-making. I haven't started CHU. I just came to the page to check the score: oh dear. Then I read this thread: ah, okay. I'll decide when to watch it (immediately, in 2-5 years, never) based on reviews from franchise fans after the season ends.

On the positive side, the live rating system means we get to watch interesting phenomena such as the wildly shifting score of Kemono Friends over the course of its run. I like it better this way, even though my favorite show of last season was rated low until the season ended (Hakumei to Mikochi).


The streaming platform doesn't correlate to the score but does correlate with how many people watch. Not all of the time. But usually the easier access for more niche shows like this on something like Crunchyroll gives it better numbers. Considering ONLY 4,290 are watching it. That's incredibly low. And yes stuff like MiA and GLT were Amazon Exclusives and relatively the biggest hits of their season, but the did take about 3 episodes or so before people caught on to them. They weren't the auto hype of that season because of Amazon and they were manga properties that were sleeper hits in themselves.

Yeah I do think the flaw of the website is that you can rate shows and they site displays them a couple episodes into the season. I also think people who don't finish the series shouldn't rate either but that's a personal preference. I do think people are pretty moronic to think they understand the whole series worth in 1-3 episodes, I'm not budging on that. Especially when I see one of these threads for every show every season.

Cutie Honey will probably upturn into the 7-8 range upon completion because it's the norm for 75% of shows on this website but it's no breakout star.

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@Stripes True, more people will watch a show if it's on Crunchyroll than would have if it were on HiDive. I wish I knew more about the size of total viewership outside the generally more "core" representation on MAL.

Some other shows on HiDive right now:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/36470/Tada-kun_wa_Koi_wo_Shinai/stats - 34,496 watching
https://myanimelist.net/anime/36793/3D_Kanojo__Real_Girl/stats - 33,512 watching
https://myanimelist.net/anime/35928/Devils_Line/stats - 22,077 watching

But I'm ignorant about how their manga hype compares against Cutie Honey's legacy status for the current MAL user base.

I agree that it's stupid for one to imagine they have a complete grasp of a show's value without finishing it. I see ratings on uncompleted shows as representative only of the limited experience the viewer had, not as a presumptive judgment on the show as a whole.

If we're making guesses on the final score I'll go with 6.8, though I could picture it rising from where it is now to 7.2, if it gets 7.4 or higher I'll be impressed :)
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@Stripes True, more people will watch a show if it's on Crunchyroll than would have if it were on HiDive. I wish I knew more about the size of total viewership outside the generally more "core" representation on MAL.

Some other shows on HiDive right now:
https://myanimelist.net/anime/36470/Tada-kun_wa_Koi_wo_Shinai/stats - 34,496 watching
https://myanimelist.net/anime/36793/3D_Kanojo__Real_Girl/stats - 33,512 watching
https://myanimelist.net/anime/35928/Devils_Line/stats - 22,077 watching

But I'm ignorant about how their manga hype compares against Cutie Honey's legacy status for the current MAL user base.

I agree that it's stupid for one to imagine they have a complete grasp of a show's value without finishing it. I see ratings on uncompleted shows as representative only of the limited experience the viewer had, not as a presumptive judgment on the show as a whole.

If we're making guesses on the final score I'll go with 6.8, though I could picture it rising from where it is now to 7.2, if it gets 7.4 or higher I'll be impressed :)


I honestly think more people on this platform are inclined to watch something fresh and new for seasonal stuff. And with something like Cutie Honey, a lot of people won't know if you should watch the whole thing or pick it up on this version.

Try something more similar like Atom: The Beginning Which is a prequel series to Astro Boy. I mean there is a stake in how high profile that is. But I don't think it obligates current anime fans what so ever, over stuff like new stuff. Which is sad in a way.

But I digress.

I think with fans and how high profile this is to those people it'll edge a 7. And depending if it has some of the flare the Trigger version has it might go further but we'll see.
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I like it more than Devilman Crybaby so far so there's that.
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5.72 now. People really hate this show, huh?
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Maybe it just isn't good.

Who cares about ratings, if you enjoy a show, find others that enjoy it as well and discuss it with them.



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The score just too low. It should be around 7.5

Maybe some people can't handle watching women body so they give low rating
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It is low and is unfortunately driving a lot of people away. The thing with MAL is that audiences matter. Universe is not attracting the right crowd, because frankly, most Go Nagai fans I spoke to are alright with this new series minus a few things like the classic op etc.
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cobra55 said:
The score is 5.68 now, lol. Guess what, CHU is also at the bottom of ANN's weekly rankings :

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/weekly-ranking/2018/spring/.130881

Face it, other than the hardcore Nagai fans, people don't care for this anime.

As it has always been prior to Crybaby. Nothing wrong with that. And Japan has its dedicated support for his stuff which is why he's one of the few authors to have that many adaptations of his work.

Besides, this is ANN we're talking about and no one should take their reviewers seriously. They're an even bigger joke than MAL.
Apr 29, 2018 2:44 PM

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i don't think it deserves a score higher than a 6 so far so I don't see the issue.
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