One Piece Chapter 876 Discussion

G_Spark233 said:
Pudding is currently all over the place and it's hilarious to watch.

thebrentinator24 said:


Not gonna lie, that final line of the chapter seemed extremely cheesy, I feel like Oda could have had Sanji say something more badass. Idk it just didn't have the epic type of impact that it was probably supposed to have.

Brook and Chopper were also shown growing tired as they defend the ship, so who knows how much longer they'll last......they just need to hang in there.

Isterio said:


He´s going to bake a cake. There is nothing badass about it. No matter what face Oda makes him do, or how amazing his attire looks. He´s about to cook.
He´s not going to fight anyone or kick someones ass he´s about to do this!



This cannot be badass!

And no, this isn´t any better!

SuperRed said:


Linking to dumb videos doesn't make your points more convincing. If someone thinks cooking is cool, that's not wrong.

Isterio said:


I like cooking myself, it´s a cool thing that makes food taste better, but it´s not badass and there is no way to depict cooking as badass. I´ve watched through Shokugeki nou Soma and it´s unfiltered fanservice sprinkled with cringe.

MoonStar9 said:
So after the thrashing Sanji's character has taken this arc his big contribution will be baking a cake while Luffy and the others fight Katakuri? Nice. The one hope for WCI to have a decent payoff, down the fucking drain. The saddest thing is that One Piece fans, just like Dragon Ball Super fans, will defend this, tooth and nail.

Mirko94 said:




If you don't like it, then stop to read the manga, is easy, no?

MoonStar9 said:
So after the thrashing Sanji's character has taken this arc his big contribution will be baking a cake while Luffy and the others fight Katakuri? Nice. The one hope for WCI to have a decent payoff, down the fucking drain. The saddest thing is that One Piece fans, just like Dragon Ball Super fans, will defend this, tooth and nail.

Isterio said:


We knew it was going to happen at this point.

Furthermore the possibility of Sanji fighting Katakuri hinged solely upon the option of Sanji´s Observation Haki and speed being superior to Luffy´s enabling him to go toe to toe by matchup superiority.

Here are the problems with this notion.

1. Sanji hasn´t displayed anything that can hit as hard as Luffy. Even basemode Luffy should be superior in terms of strength than anything Sanji could dish out. (more damage)

2. Let´s assume that Sanji´s current level of observation Haki is the highest in the crew.

3. Than let´s take a look at speed and we can deduce that even if Sanji is faster than basemode Luffy he has several multipliers that make him faster.


Which leaves the following scenarios.

A: Sanji couldn´t kick through Katakuris hardening, since it´s been breached by people of Katakuris and below calliber,Vergo and Doffy.

B. Sanji definately has worse Observation Haki than him, but his reaction Speed is fast enough to outmaneuver casual attacks by him, yet Katakuri is undoubtly better at predicting.

C. Katakuri is fast enough to outmaneuver and handle several people at the time one of them being Luffy who required to go Gear 4 to be able to beat a commander that was below the level of Katakuri, Cracker. So he´s most likely faster than Sanji too.

Solution. He beats him definately in two of the areas required to win a fight and probably wins at the 3rd.

Sanji either was going to bake the cake or fight someone else to have a moment to shine, but Katakuri was definately off limits and considering that he incorperates the Vice Captain position and it´s established One Piece formula he´s Zorro´s opponent.

MoonStar9 said:

Nobody expected Sanji to beat Katakuri by himself, but the fact that he and the SHs were heading to the Sunny gave hope for a Luffy/Sanji tag-team like with Law on Dressrosa. Now its likely the other SHs will be fighting Katakuri together save Sanji.

MoonStar9 said:

I also don't think it was wise for them to let Sanji go off with Pudding who was just a part of a meticulous plan to murder him and his family. Like, what the fuck?

Isterio said:


That´d be a valid solution and for Oda´s standards an unpredictable one. This would have been several times cooler than what we´ve gotten but Sanji baking a cake was far more prepared to happen at this point. It´s garbage but as you see there are people out there who want this to happen.



Not really, following Shounen standards it´s perfectly valid. It goes against Pedro´s Nami´s and Jinbe´s character to let him alone with her, but Chiffon is there as well and if there is one thing that Shounen value more than friendship that´s stupid MC with honor codes. Probably because of their japanese heritage and this cultures obsession with the concept.

Chiffon is a honorable person so it´s fine to leave him with her.

The real issue lies in the baking of the cake itself.
Lanji had several combat related loses. none of them excuseable through wounds, exhaustion or other handicaps.

Now the proposed redemption for those loses according to Oda is to showcase Lanji´s value through exposure of his cooking capabilities.

The brainfart, that makes this whole idea worthless however, is the fact that lanji cannot be redeemed vicariously in his combat capabilities by displaying his superior cooking skill. His ability to cook was never questioned or challenged and therefore doesn´t demand any redemption. Last but not least, the challenge isn´t a particulary hard one to begin with. It´s not set up as some impossible task and he himself proclaimed it as something rather casual.

It´s the equivalent of having a nerd that´s acknowledged to be really smart by everyone lose several contests of strength But then moves on to win a mediocre contest of wits and expected to be praised by everyone for how cool and valueable he is because of his wits, although they never doubted him.

It´s garbage writiting. Oda absolutely failed. Fans who hate this development are right to complain about it. As of now Sanji is fired from Monster Trio, untill he redeems himself which I doubt.
I think Oda wants to replace his spot in the Monster Trio with Jinbe. There won´t be a quartett Lanji just gets kicked out and joins the others as a supporter.

SuperRed said:

First, Sanji loosing fights doesn't need to be "redeemed".

SuperRed said:
Character development and having an important purpose.

SuperRed said:

to being the crew's chef is more narratively rewarding than simply beating strong opponents, we are not 12 year olds anymore. If you're one of the people who thought the year of Sanji was gonna be him kicking ass through the arc, then sorry but you had incorrect expectations.

SuperRed said:

And no, Sanji's cooking, not in ability but in worth, HAS been questioned in this arc, by his father and siblings who said royalty should be above such things. If Judge and company where to be ultimately saved by the very things they mocked it would show their arrogance to have been misplaced.

SuperRed said:

Remember when Luffy brought up sword using, navigation, lying and cooking skills he had no ability to do to Arlong? This is the demonstration

nukerxero123 said:
Sanji Will probably poison the cake or something.

Also Luff and the gang will have no choice but to fight Big Mom.

lvl21 said:


Nah, just make it super delicious. That would be pretty cheap from Oda's part to take her out like that. This ain't Game of Thrones and Sanji won't make a pigeon cake.

Didn't really care about this chapter, nothing really happened.

Jakerams said:
Honestly One Piece is always finding the most cop out methods to solve every problem as of late. And Oda is adding way too much comedy to this series.

JudgeRuthless said:


it's not comedic at all, if you have good taste that is

G_Spark233 said:
Pudding is currently all over the place and it's hilarious to watch.

Isterio said:


Depends on the qualities you value in him. If Luffy´s funny antics is the only thing you like about him it´d be fine for you if he´d be on a consistent losing streak. Sanji was always advocated through Oda to be both a fighter and a cook.
It´s not the fans fault that they value him as a figter.



Yes character development is the most important part of any story



No, because his value as a cook for the crew as I pointed out multiple times is consistently displayed, every time he cooks something for them and more importantly was never put into question ever.

Again you have no argument besides wrongfully accusing people who hate this development of short minded bloodlust. And again, I repeat myself, explaining, that this isn´t our problem.
Shall I use simpler terms?
Lanji lose fight. Sanji never called bad cook.
We know Sanji good cook, no need to tell us he good cook.
Lanji never win fight, that´s why Lanji lame as fighter. Sanji cooking is fine, we like his cooking, we hate Lanji´s fighting. We want him to win as a fighter too.




While this makes thematic sense, we as the audience don´t identify with the satantic terribly written family of Sanji. All of them besides Reiju, who I am sure got only off the hook for the waifu faggots, are onesided cartoonish assholes I´d expect from Saturday morning programm. There is no reason to proof Sanji´s worth to the unanimously most hated, worst written character of this arc.

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Obviously I remember, the speech is from one of the best arcs of the series.

Fact is Luffy failed to deliver in what is his only obligation throughout this whole arc and while I appreciated Sanji´s character development, specifically that between his mother and him, it doesn´t matter if again his value was never challenged by those we the audience care about.
Or he as a character should care about and supposedly cares about.

If there was any nuance to it that I may have missed which explains how Sanji values his families opinions and lives I´d like to see that.
To me at best, the only implied motivation for him to save those literal cartoon villains is him being better than them. A notion that has been done to death this arc.
WE GET IT HE´S A NICE GUY. THANKS FOR REPEATING IT 50000 TIMES ODA!