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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- RIP allied forces. With the failure of the plan and no way to escape I'm not really too sure where they'll go from here. I hope they don't actually defeat Big Mom... |
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| The KX Launchers is really cool weapon tbh. Interesting to see more of the flashback with witnesses of the truth like Streusen. What an interesting ability he has too. |
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| A glimpse about how Big Mom Pirates were formed based on Mother Caramel's "goal". The assassination plan failed as expected and there is no escape. Bege transformed into a huge fortress at the end. |
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| Great chapter :D Capone this week was a riot. Those expressions were hilarious. And the way they running away after the plan failed xDD What got me the most was when Caesar broke the mirrors. Loved it hahah. I'm glad they confirmed that BM actually ate the people there. All the BM pirates walking towards them. I hope to god we see Smoothie fight now xD Hyped for next week :D |
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| WOW, Guess a Yonkou will always be a Yonkou. To see Luffy react that way to the mirror getting broken and not thinking that I can beat her, just shows how powerful Yonkous are |
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| Another great chapter and more of Big Mom flashback. The plan totally failed and now Straw Hats and Capone are doom. How are they gonna escape now? |
| Great chapter. Holy Shit Big Mom ruined the Alliance's plan. LOL everyone trying to run away. How are they gonna get away from this? Don't mess with a Yonkou. |
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Damn, the assassination plan failed! With nowhere to run, I guess everyone from the allied forces will go inside Bege's body in his Big Father form as he runs away? However, he won't be safe from the attacks from the Charlotte Family though. o_O Unless his castle form is very sturdy but there will be some persistent enemies. :P Everyone's faces when they witnessed the mirror (their only means of escape) shattered right in front of them....haha.. >_< |
| lol they're fucked, they never considered the mirror would be broke isn't it? but now it has come to this, I think it would turn out to be bloodbath battle. |
| What an Epic chapter! that's it, this arc best 3rd one for me. |
| Luffy gonna fight because that's what the readers want to see. The shounen upgrade trope. Maybe Luffy gonna awaken his power? Something don flamingo talked about and therefore was forshadowed. I guess Bege's 'Big Father' move is some sort of awakened form of his power? His body is a fort and through awakening he turned part of the ground into a fort ... can't interpret it differently. G_Spark233 said: I hope they don't actually defeat Big Mom... There's no other way out. Unless there's gonna be an asspull that degrades the story. ____________________________ Btw, notice: Big Mom did in fact eat them all. End of debate. Big mom did get caramel's power by eating her. End of another debate. |
JudgeRuthlessJun 8, 2017 3:29 AM
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JudgeRuthless said: G_Spark233 said: I hope they don't actually defeat Big Mom... There's no other way out. Unless there's gonna be an asspull that degrades the story. I doubt they're going to defeat Big Mom. This arc only has 5, max 10 chapters left. Defeating her, wrapping things up, and escaping would seem a bit too much to pack into so few chapters. Anyways, I really liked this chapter. It was obvious Big Mom would survive. But one thing that bothered me is that Capone, and his side-kicks launched the missiles at once. I thought they were going to have a "back-up missile" if the other ones fail. That would have seemed more logical, but I guess this was okay too. That shattering mirror was somewhat predictable after seeing what her voice did to the missiles. That scene was hilarious. I really wonder how they're going to escape. Maybe someone's going to die...? |
| So Big Mom really did eat everyone. I'm glad we got confirmation on that so it's not just a big mystery that everyone speculates about. Not surprisingly, the plan failed as there's no way taking down a Yonko could be that easy. Like someone else already mentioned, they really should have kept backup missiles just in case any of them failed to actually kill Big Mom. Whatever though, it gives an excuse to make Bege look badass next chapter. |
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| if it does linlin eat everyone, i honestly wondering... how? okay, so linlin does get his power by eating mother caramel? how? and it was writen simply missing... oda keep his message vague... i'll not surprised if he pulled something different again later, however, i accept eating theory for now... it's more possible answer considering time gap... so, strausen is one who actually planned everything out... also that fail.. XDXDXDXD everyone reaction is gold... |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| There's the clarification that she did indeed eat everyone. OMG yes yes yes! Always knew it'd fail. As Caesar said "Yonkou's will be Yonkou's". I really thought we were about to see an epic entrance from someone like Marco + Jozu, Kuzan or even Blackbeard so I'm kinda dissapointed with the castle escape. It looked like Bege had nothing left and then boom. Hey ho, I wonder what they're gonna be able to do inside Bege's Big father castle. Surely there're mirrors in there? "There's absolutely no way we can win this battle" panel looked so awesome! Oh but props to Bege for sticking with the Straw Hats. Thought he'd abandon them tbh. |
FangJun 8, 2017 5:17 AM
| Great chapter, I'm glad it's confirmed that she ate everyone and got her power like this.(not so sure for the latter part, though) Luffy and the others really fucked up, now that the plan with the launchers failed I think the Tamatebako is one of the very few options left to weaken Big Mom at least a little bit. Admittedly it has to be strong explosion to pull of some kind of danger to her, but Oda didn't bring up the box for nothing. I'm hyped for next week. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| hey Isterio who's an idiot with no brain now XD  |
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| We all knew this was going to happen. There is not way Oda would kill off a freaking Yonko like that easily. Now that they are trying to escape. All routes that was suppose to be taken only to get destroyed later. XD, I freaking laughed my butt off hard when I got to those scenes to failied plan. XD I can't contain it either XD |
Isterio said: snip What do you say? I can't read people who have no brain ! :D |
| I'm glad the matter of whether or not BM ate the children can finally be put to rest. Although it was kinda obvious from the last chapter she did xD Also, Streusen is an evil mastermind. He's definitely the father of Perespero. Katakuri is likely as well. But definitely Perespero. They look very alike. |
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| I'm a bit confused, let me just make sure. Big Mom's scream disintegrated the missiles?? |
| Loved the big mom flashbacks. What will the allied forced possibly be able to do? What exactly is big father? |
He still is only implying. Oda is a fucking whore with this and it doesn´t change the fact that the writing is horseshit. It´s what we currently must presume as canon, but after 800 chapters with missleading writing this is awfully suspicious. My assumption is wrong at the moment and everyone is right in calling me out for missjudging Oda. Nonetheless this event is horseshit. Why keep implying something if it won´t ever be revisited? It serves no purpose to not confirm the event aside from a possible badly written unpredictable plottwist. According to the assumption that they´ve been eaten, which has to be considered true at this point. Oda has become such a bad writer that he sets up a Chekov´s gun, ignores it, writes a tonally inconsistent mess of a chapter that´s part comedy, part tragedy and part happy end and was too gutless to go through with it and actually depict, or confirm it´s content. This is the worst flashback Oda has ever written by a landslide. -1 score for One Piece. And yes I´m an idiot for thinking that Post time skip One Piece can be as good as post Sky Island One Piece.This and Pudding are the worst writing Oda has delivered in a long time. The only way to fix the writing of this chapter and elavate it from horseshit to smart is by having the giant or Streusel confirm that Big Mom indeed ate Caramel, but have the children be kidnapped by the WG. Having the CP unit feed Caramel to Linlin would be poetic justice, wouldn´t conflict with the tone, would utilize the established Chekov´s gun, absolve linlin from this particular guilt and make objective sense. The WG would would get the children for free, kill the witness,rid the world of a criminal and abandon Big Mom to die who should be deemed to dangerous for them at this point. |
IsterioJun 8, 2017 10:53 AM
SwordsmanDan said: I'm a bit confused, let me just make sure. Big Mom's scream disintegrated the missiles?? I think it was her scream combined with CoC |
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| >Two eyewitnesses >No other possible explanation for Linlin having the Soul-Soul Fruit >The infobox talking about the "incident" is centered in her mouth Ahhh, so glad Oda nipped that shit right in the bud. The entire point of the flashback and Big Mom's complex would have been rendered moot if it was all a hoax. You know the situation is dire when even Luffy is shitting his pants over the plan failing, really interested in seeing how Oda resolves this arc because it's clear they're SOL in a straight up fight. |
| Did Capone change in.... inflatable castle !? |
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| Well it wasn't unexpected that the plan would fail, nonetheless a very entertaining chapter. I do like how Big Mom's dream is world peace, she just has the wrong idea in going about it. Also, how exactly did Big Mom gain the Devil Fruit? I thought Devil Fruits can't be transferred through cannibalism. Did Streusen do something? He looked surprised though. Those faces when the mirror broke, R.I.P Allied Forces. XDD Bege with the Megazord. xD I'm glad he didn't abandon the StrawHats though. |
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Lelouch0202 said: Also, how exactly did Big Mom gain the Devil Fruit? I thought Devil Fruits can't be transferred through cannibalism. Did Streusen do something? He looked surprised though. We don't know that tho right? Oda did state in an sbs once that you'd get food poisoning if you ate a DF user but never explicitly said no. Maybe he just meant that as a joke so I don't know xD She could have got it how DF powers normally get transferred (The fruit grown nearby after Caramel was dead) or maybe unknowingly used the same method that Blackbeard used to Whitebeard when he got his DF powers. |
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Ryunuosuke said: Lelouch0202 said: Also, how exactly did Big Mom gain the Devil Fruit? I thought Devil Fruits can't be transferred through cannibalism. Did Streusen do something? He looked surprised though. We don't know that tho right? Oda did state in an sbs once that you'd get food poisoning if you ate a DF user but never explicitly said no. Maybe he just meant that as a joke so I don't know xD She could have got it how DF powers normally get transferred (The fruit grown nearby after Caramel was dead) or maybe unknowingly used the same method that Blackbeard used to Whitebeard when he got his DF powers. Yeah, that SBS is the one that's making doubt if Devil Fruits can be transferred through cannibalism. Like you say, he probably only meant it as a joke. I guess we can only wait for a full reveal. xD |
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Isterio said: Oda is a fucking whore with this and it doesn´t change the fact that the writing is horseshit. It´s what we currently must presume as canon, but after 800 chapters with missleading writing this is awfully suspicious. My assumption is wrong at the moment and everyone is right in calling me out for missjudging Oda. Nonetheless this event is horseshit. Why keep implying something if it won´t ever be revisited? It serves no purpose to not confirm the event aside from a possible badly written unpredictable plottwist. According to the assumption that they´ve been eaten, which has to be considered true at this point. Oda has become such a bad writer that he sets up a Chekov´s gun, ignores it, writes a tonally inconsistent mess of a chapter that´s part comedy, part tragedy and part happy end and was too gutless to go through with it and actually depict, or confirm it´s content. This is the worst flashback Oda has ever written by a landslide. -1 score for One Piece. And yes I´m an idiot for thinking that Post time skip One Piece can be as good as post Sky Island One Piece.This and Pudding are the worst writing Oda has delivered in a long time. My guess is he is implying because a) he's going to revisit it once Big Mom remembers what happend that day(with the use of Pudding's power for example, because it needs to serve some purpose and so far it hasn't) b) he simply couldn't make it explicit, because his editors/jump told him it's simply too much for the magazine to show children being eaten by children. After all, they are the ones that rejected AoT that, putting aside the gore that could have been easily toned down, had nothing hardcore aside from titans eating humans And I wouldn't say it was a mess in terms of tone. It's not that much different from one of the very first scenes of this arc, where Big Mom merrily dances around happy objects in a colorful environment while singing about a cake made of blood, a hellish tea party, death and murder. It probably aims to be a kind of disturbing fairy tale, and those share this form of tonal inconsistency becuase that is what actually makes them work. |
Dahaka_Jun 8, 2017 11:57 AM
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SwordsmanDan said: It's Conqueror Haki I believe.I'm a bit confused, let me just make sure. Big Mom's scream disintegrated the missiles?? Shamks did similar thing with his Conqueror Haki when he visit WB ship, |
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Isterio said: This is a nonsensical argument to make after Oda openly depicted children being shot to death with a young Trafalger Law surviving by hiding amongst the piles of dead bodies. It wasn´t explicit, but it wasn´t implied either. We saw that nun getting shot alongside the children after being promised safe conduct.(maybe we just saw their bodies I don´t remember every detail). Having Big Mom perform cannibalism isn´t worse than that. It´s actually debateable what´s culturally more repugnant to the western world. Have children be shot to mincemeat, or have children be eaten alive. It's as nonsensical as having a TV show where all the violence in the world can be explicitly shown but characters can't swear. And yet it happens. Just because something makes no sense it doesn't mean it can't apply. PS. kids weren't shot on panel |
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| I hope bege dies this arc, linlin needs to survive :'( |
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tr1ckst3r said: SwordsmanDan said: It's Conqueror Haki I believe.I'm a bit confused, let me just make sure. Big Mom's scream disintegrated the missiles?? Shamks did similar thing with his Conqueror Haki when he visit WB ship, Alright, well that seems to be the consensus. Thanks! |
| I was an advocate on the whole "Big Mom isn't being portrayed as strong enough by Oda" and "Capone and Luffy are undermanned" train. Woo-hoo, vindication! |
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Dahaka_ said: Isterio said: This is a nonsensical argument to make after Oda openly depicted children being shot to death with a young Trafalger Law surviving by hiding amongst the piles of dead bodies. It wasn´t explicit, but it wasn´t implied either. We saw that nun getting shot alongside the children after being promised safe conduct.(maybe we just saw their bodies I don´t remember every detail). Having Big Mom perform cannibalism isn´t worse than that. It´s actually debateable what´s culturally more repugnant to the western world. Have children be shot to mincemeat, or have children be eaten alive. It's as nonsensical as having a TV show where all the violence in the world can be explicitly shown but characters can't swear. And yet it happens. Just because something makes no sense it doesn't mean it can't apply. PS. kids weren't shot on panel I don´t know any show or Movie of that kind, however I get your point. It´s odd that you can watch goreporn with 12 in france under the veil of art and Games like GTA are banished from Australia because their ESRB system goes only to 16. The world can be confusing at times but this doesn´t make your argument any more sound.If you can deploy a substantial example I´ll hear you out. Nonetheless let me give you a few examples of seemingly nonsenical rules or laws that have a logical reason behind their existance. 1. Gambling is forbidden in greek media, while violence and sex or nudity get a free pass. The reason being, that gambling was detrimental towards the countries safety and economy. Too many people within that country couldn´t handle their gambling addiction. 2. China cencors skeletons in imported games. The reason for that being that the chinese government believes that certain depictions of skeletons can inspire superstition in their people and in communist societies there is no place for religious believes. 3.The second amendment doesn´t make statistically any sense in terms of safety. However it makes an awful lot of sense economically. Other examples I know of, include the ESRB within germany, who had hundreds of Movies like Robocop, on a blacklist. Those Movies couldn´t be bought anywhere within country but could be bought in Austria or switzerlan, with perfect german dubbing. At the same time several Movies depicting worse violence were perfectly legal. But even that bullshit had a reason behind it. The German ESRB consists of a comitee that changes consistently, probably gets bribed occasionally and each project is overlooked often only by a singular person. Leading to the inconsistencies within the ratings. Revisiting an ESRB rating costs a shitton of money and so only publishers who want their product to sell insist on a revisit. None of those rules can be applied to One Piece. Consistency is the keyword here. Oda is still the same author, he didn´t announce any editor changes and no changes within the Shounen Jump policies have been declared between the Law flashback and the flashback of Big Mom. Hell, I can actually argue that Jump became more lenient towards child killing with its release of Promised Neverland. Fuck that. Oda´s direct rival was depicting child killing before it was cool! And before you try to excuse it with different times No that´s bullshit, HxH and even Naruto both depicted way more graphic content in resent history within Jump Magazine. And as far as eating people is concerned, I let Oda answer that himself! As for cannibalism, I don´t wanna post the Jeff Panel again. You don´t have an argument here at all and just tried to avoid the topic by pointing out excuses that do not apply, instead of giving me legit reasons why Oda could have only implied the scene. Atm I can only think of two reasons. 1. Oda is hiding future plot relevant development. 2. Oda just created a bullshit mistery for the sole purpose of being ambigious. There are a million ways to be more disturbing by confirming the event, instead of beating around the bush. Having Streusel (yes that´s the actual pronounciation and i refuse to use the wrong japanese one) say a line about eating kids, have the giant say it. Have a panel of Big Mom holding a kid in her hands about to be devoured. Every single one of those possibilities is better than the horseshit we received. Ps: Read the bolded part. There´s your answer towards the children. |
IsterioJun 8, 2017 4:49 PM
| After reading this chapter I feel Big Mom really will eat anything. That said, the only way the defeat her is to take a devil fruit, hide it in a cake and have Brook offer it to her as an apology. |
| “I just spent the last two years thinking that you guys knew more than me about life and I just found out that you guys are just as dumb as me.” “Duh-doy.” “Yeah, duh-doy.” |
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