Aoi Hana Episode 8 Discussion

Seiryuu said:
I can't see Fumi and Kyouko. I can see Fumi and A-chan though.

Mikiyo said:
So far the strongest episode for me.

I still fail to see hows Sugimoto's character is likeable, I just can't put myself on her shoes, I can see her as a brat who doesn't take anyone in consideration (taking out the fact that she actually admitted that she didn't wanted a relationship with someone that fast), I'll give her 10 points for that. Shes probably on the verge of brakedown too since the person she loves is going to marry her sister; nevertheless thats no reason for her to be a prick, this is just my opinion anyway; I hate that kind of personality.

Mikiyo said:
Hell, I can't take seriously Ikumi's voice, Yui Horie: definetly not made for this kind of drama, I can't get over Minorin, Yuuki and Eri's characters: I can give her a muffin for Ayu in Kanon, but I just can't avoid to laugh sometimes when shes being serious.

Mikiyo said:

I hope I won't be missunderstanding too many things here, I can see a pair comming up from Fumi and Kyouko, that will be extremely predictable and that would be an eyesore for me.

Mikiyo said:
Everyone predicts a Fumi/Aa-chan.

Belum_Nabum said:

The yuri is a bother and wish Fumi would get a guy instead. Wonder WTH happened to her to make her like that.

Belum_Nabum said:
RESPECT FOR YOUR THOUGHTS! Hope you like pic above.

tehnominator said:


I think, I think she might just simply like girls. But I am probably wrong.

And a nice boy would be nice too. All she'd have to do is get rid of her long-time romantic interests and sexual desire for women, try to avert her complete disinterest in men outside of relatives and friends, and she's set. Akira's brother seems like a Cool Bro.



Er, thanks. And yes, I did like the picture, it was pretty sweet. Fumi should seriously get contacts and ditch those grade school pigtails though. Does she realise she's a looker??

tehnominator said:

And is it me, or was there some "service" in this episode? ;) Just kidding! I'm just thinking that in another anime, that scene where Akira hugs Fumi could have devolved from being a portrayal of a girl holding on tightly and lovingly to her heartbroken best friend into being Marshmallow Hell. Just saying. It was a sweet scene though, and probably one of the best Akira x Fumi moments of the series.

tehnominator said:

Well, if you are referring to the trope where two bleeding hearts are better than one, I don't think it's really applicable here. While it does happen in other anime (or fandom WISHES it would happen) where the two rejected hook up (common fanfiction storyline, happens quite a bit in American TV and movies too), I don't think Kyouko and Fumi are like that.

tehnominator said:

I like that she's venturing away from her airhead roles and doing somebody whose brain cells at least exist.

HawthorneKitty said:

Hard to believe that there is only 3 episodes left...

Belum_Nabum said:

Agreed on the contacts and pig tails make her look what was her name (pipi longstron) I think, that strong girl with orange hair. LOL, seriously Fumi's parents are ok so her female love is not genetic like some sciences would claim soI think something happened to her but WHAT can it be????

Mikiyo said:

It didn't cross for my mind the thought of being a fanservice scene on any second. In fact it was just a really subtle friendship hug, I bet 100 bucks most of idiots will see this as another fapfap reason, although that pillow fight was quite an unnecessary one: its just a playfull scene anyway.

Mikiyo said:
There has been some subtle scenes between Kyouko and Fumi, I can't see it as a "Hint", but I won't deny that at the end of this episode that I thought of Fumi/Kyo as a pair; thats just me anyway.

Mikiyo said:

This is probably what suprised me, I still can't believe shes actually voicing such a deep character, the "Don't make me hit you..." Sugimoto scene could have been probably one of the most deep speechs in the whole episode if it weren't for Yui, ah well; it is not like shes horrible, I totally love her, but I'm still not getting used to her newest drama version. I still see her as the typical high-pitch character.

Mikiyo said:

My problem with Aa-chan isn't being straight or lesbian (doesn't really matter she actually admited that she aproves a girl to girl relationship), my problem with her is that... shes just being a support pilar on Aoi Hana, it doesn't annoy me, In fact shes my fav character in the whole series; therefore I would like to see her involved in some sorta of romantic situation, I can't really wait for it and theres only 3 episodes left.

The HECK with JC Staff, I hope they won't give me a cliffloverhanger a la Nodame~

tehnominator said:


Pippi Longstockings, you're thinking of.Yes that is right.

And I was being sarcastic earlier, and now with this comment, I'm inclined to wonder if you too are pulling my leg or if you seriously are wondering this.No, I meant no such thing.

All right, explanation for the latter:

Most homosexuals are born to heterosexual parents. You saying that Fumi's parents being "okay", I'll assume you mean that they're straight and not mutated or something.That is what I meant and it is correct. Homosexuality can either be genetic or selective, we really don't know, or at least, I really don't know.Such was not proven but it was demonstrated that it may be selective or genetic.

There are people born gay, so to speak. They grow up and come to only have feelings, emotional and physical, for those of the same sex. Some people choose to be gay, but those who choose are usually in the minority and it's usually for some reason or the other. Real homosexuals are gay because they can't help it.Not cannot be helped by society or something in it made it so in Fumi's case I have analyzed it is bullying by the boys in kindergarden and the fact A-chan helped made her highly in love with girls as an end result.

It's not a matter of conditioning either, if that's what you think. How can someone born to straight parents, lived in a heterosexual environment ultimately be gay? Because that's how they are designed. It's not a matter of something happening to them or conditioning or being brainwashed into thinking they're gay.It may be a situation that can occur as a trigger to make them gay but it does not apply to all of the cases. If that was the case, then all homosexuals born in heterosexual environments should be straight right? Similarly, then all heterosexual children with homosexual parents should be gay as well--that's what you're implying, and that is incorrect.No I would not be implying such because it would be false and such probability is only in coincidences. I do think that enviromental and social changes can affect more than anything.

It is within Fumi's nature, not the nurturing she received, not through conditioning, that she wants women. Nothing had to "happen" to her. But it did and that was the boys making fun of her in kindergarden and A-chan helping her that might be a trigger for that. Just as there are straight women who are for example, raped, they don't automatically turn gay, do they? No.No but some refuse sex and have a fear of it as an example of the many other side effects of rape. You don't become gay, that's not natural. You are either like that or you're not. And Fumi is like that.No, I don't believe that applies to all cases at all.

She had sexual relations with her female cousin. Yes but that was at a latter time so I don't think that was a trigger but it may be for desires to have sexual contacts such as a kiss and perhaps eventually further on. She started dating another girl. She's proved also to love other women. That's just her sexuality. Nobody influenced it and she's certainly not touched in the head because of some past event. No but she may have be inclined to give it a try to date another girl. It's much in the same way she can't help but be Japanese or tall, she can't help being gay. That is agreed on but her will then is weak if she does not want to change and I blame the boys bullying and making fun of her in kindergarden.It's part of her. It's who she is. She cannot be anything else, and if she did, it would be a falsehood.Anyone can change if they want to depending on their nature.

So hopefully you don't think or at least you can come to understand now that circumstances in your life do not necessarily determine your sexuality.I understand that but there are too many of my statements that prove otherwise in Fumi's case also ask other people and they might agreed with me. I some college level courses in psychology and the proofs have hard evidence but you have interesting theories about how it applies to other individual cases I read about.

Belum_Nabum said:

Such was not proven but it was demonstrated that it may be selective or genetic.

Belum_Nabum said:
I do think that enviromental and social changes can affect more than anything.

Belum_Nabum said:
But it did and that was the boys making fun of her in kindergarden and A-chan helping her that might be a trigger for that.

tehnominator said:


Either way, because it can't be proven doesn't mean it cannot have the possibility to exist as a reason.



Wait, what?? When did that ever happen? Fumi was never bullied in school. What are you even talking about? If you are talking about that scene in the first episode, she was walking to the bathroom where on her way, she couldn't hold it in and wet her pants. The GIRLS who saw her got scared and ran to get Akira because they didn't know how to handle Fumi and knew the two are best friends. Akira protected Fumi, yes, but nothing from bullies. She protected her from herself.#2Agreed I assumed some things that might have happened that the anime did show such as other day to day life when she moved away from her home town but in context no it did not happen that we are informed off

Your argument that she's gay because she is afraid of men or have bad memories of them is invalid. Not even the molester on the train would have "turned her off men" because at that point, she had already fooled around with Chizu. #2Exactly as I thought Chizu made a impact as well as trigger to initiation into lustful relations with girls.

Fumi's been gay because she's gay, and not because of someone else.#2Are you saying Chizu made no impact on her at all? I think she did and is why her choice to be like that so that she can be with Chizu more intimate. Such I base myself on her shock when Chizu announced she was married.

Even if Akira was her protecter, then would she have grown Akira-sexual? How could she have formulated TWO relationships with women who are nothing like Akira if she was projecting emotional love into physical love? She'd be going after short spunky girls, if that was the case.#2Perhaps because she was away from her for sometime at that time



All right, but there was nothing in Fumi's social upbringing that would "taint" her with homosexuality, was there? At the beginning of the anime, the girl was already gay.#2Earlier on she was initiated with Chizu so it might have a social upbringing and might even I assume have her interested in books that have love stories about girls x girls love but once again it is an assumption.

#2My bad it was not shown in the anime I just assumed when she was away from her town on what might have happened that was not shown.

Are you watching the same anime as everyone else? What boys are you talking about? The only men in this series are:

- Fumi's dad
- Akira's dad
- Shinobu
- Kou
- Kagami
- Ogino
- unnamed people who appear for three seconds in the background as part of the crowd#2Yeah I know I presupposed outside of context.

Let's reiterated this: Fumi is not emotionally traumatised nor is she damaged in any way. #2Ok yes that is what is shown to us.She's just a sensitive girl who tends to cry easily who has had her heart broken. She's never been abused, never been raped, she has a good family, she's got good friends and she knows many nice people. She's not into drugs, she's not into cutting, she doesn't rebel but she doesn't actively follow all the rules either. She's so ridiculously normal, it's almost amazing that she's the protagonist of an anime series. Her one difference from the average schlub is that the girl can take emotional punches really well and maturely deals with the bumps in her life.#2Ok yes, that would describe her social mentality. I just wished there were more details about this when she was outside of the town where A-chan decided to stay.

Nowhere in her life would she ever have one of those stereotypical or Freudian reasons for being a lesbian. If she were straight, would you question her sexuality this much? #2If there were something out of the normal from my studies then yes it might.No, because I bet you think that's "normal". And that's where the problem is right there--you see homosexuality as abnormal. So it makes me wonder, how the hell did you ever get this far into a series about a lesbian teenager? #2Curious behaviour I have about seeing things. I look at them and reflect upon them, supposing sometimes many what ifsUnless you think she's going to realise that her sexuality was one giant mistake and she decides being a breeder is much better. Not even a bad writer would come up with that ending, so I can assure you, you're watching the wrong anime if you expect that sort of conclusion.#2I expect as it goes and analyze only.



We all have sexual urges. That's why when we can't get sex with who we want, we masturbate, not go jumping into bed with someone who we are physically and sexually not attracted to.#2Some do have such disorders as far as going into getting prostitutes because nothing else sexually will satisfy them. Masturbation is a self pleasuring thing only

The only thing I will agree with you there is that she desired physical contact and had sexual urges FOR WOMEN which is why she did it with her cousin Chizu. #2 Yes of course that was taken into account.But Fumi's NOT the kind of girl to just sleep with anybody. If you were paying attention, you'd see that Chizu had been her closest friend while she was away in another city/town. So I don't have a doubt that being so close to another woman made it easy for Fumi to grow a crush on her, and the feelings of wanting to consummate that as well as general teenage horniness was there, which resulted in sex with Chizu. But knowing Fumi's personality first, she wouldn't have sex with someone she didn't want to.#2Indeed she is quite picky and reserved after all. Trust first is important to her. Why you don't she was devasted in this episode after Sugimoto said she wants to break up with her

And for your entire argument, are you trying to tell me that if you were a sixteen year old boy and you and your best bro ran out of Mountain Dew and got fed up of the XBOX and realised you were both terribly horny, you'd blow him? You'd let him have anal sex with you? I bet you're cringing now thinking, "GROSS, NO WAY." So EXACTLY. #2I was raised in a certain way but I have my experiences and is why I can relate more than you think If you're a straight girl, wtf would you want to have sex with another woman unless you were just horny and didn't care what you were doing it with? So I will again say this is not applicable to Fumi because she is not only gay but she wouldn't just do it with anybody she didn't love or desire because that's not the type of girl she is.#2Of course she is in control but that is what makes her more interesting to analyze because her darkness of the big "WHY" such a personality. I think also she has her issues with her body such as the breast reference at one point with Chizu but also her trust.



Maybe they were invisible boys? I didn't see any.#2My assumption once again that something might happened like that when she was outside of town at some point.



You can't change your sexual orientation. You can convince yourself that you are not gay or you are not straight, but that doesn't stop you from being gay or straight. You'd just be lying to and tricking yourself.#2That depends on the person's mental state some have been gay and are living married lives and some married so they can hide the fact they are gay. Their choice of how to live their sexuality is their freedom.

And it's not like wanting to be more outgoing or braver or funnier. You can change that. That's your personality. You cannot physically change your hair, you cannot biologically change your sex on your own accord, nor can you chemically change your sexual preferences. #2 Sure you can change chemically your sexual preferences by making yourself sterile and biologically not on your own but in extreme cases mutilating yourself can achieve thatYou can psychologically try to fool yourself otherwise.#2There are also therapies that can do that otherwise



Qualifications and college courses about understanding the human psyche mean nothing to me coming from someone who is clearly a repressed homophobe. Just because it's written in a book does not mean it is the truth and the law nor does it mean it is accurate.#2Tell that to society because some parts in the world kill if you are gay and also some parts make one deny all less he be rejected completely.

Those books to me are documentations of commonalities in the human world of the present time. 100 years from now people will be reading your current psychology texts and laughing at how "wrong" people of our time were about the human mind and behaviours. It's not a matter of what is, it is a matter of what we perceive it to be.#2Perhaps evolution might achieve this but it depends how the people evolve and right in some parts of the world birthrate is bad such is the case for Japan.

But what do I know? I'm not college educated and I don't take psychology. My worldly observations about humanity and life must be terribly flawed.#2I think you have good street smarts. Intelligence accumulated through society, which in interesting to me.

w9950 said:
And I thought I wrote a lot of words about Marimite.

w9950 said:
technominator, the scene he's talking about is a flashback in either episode 7 or 6 with Akira standing up for Fumi as kids. I remember it too. I don't remember it being in the manga, however.

It was more to demonstrate the difference (or lack thereof) that ten years makes, not any particular turning point for Fumi.

w9950 said:
At any rate, he's taken one intro level psych course and called it "some" because believing that bullying in primary school by the opposite sex would 'induce' homosexuality is preposterous, otherwise the western population would be at least 110% gay. There are certainly developmental and environmental factors involved, likely moreso than congenital influences, but it is not even close to being as clear cut or plausibly controllable as "bad parents" or "trauma".

w9950 said:
Worse still than claiming false authority is trying to analyze fictional characters medically when they're written figuratively. You may not have no psychology book learnin' but you're on the right track when you say Fumi's simply gay because she likes girls, because that's how this story works. That is, the answer to "why" is both beyond its scope and irrelevant.

w9950 said:
It is, but you're not doing that, you're speculating.

HawthorneKitty said:
Sad ending to the relationship, but hopefully the summer vacation can tie new knots together. <3
Hard to believe that there is only 3 episodes left...

saxophone said:
Woah...didn't even notice there are only 3 episodes left. I like this series a lot...best yuri series I have seen so far.

devilsskylark said:
Good episode. I feel like I cant wait to see how the season ends, yet I don't want it to end. I have never felt this way about an anime before. I guess I really got invested in it.

Poison_Ivy said:
I don't know if Fumi and Akira are supposed to end up as a couple, but I really hope they don't because it wouldn't be credible at all. I would easily believe in Fumi's love for Akira, she's obviously attracted to girls and she has liked Akira since they were kids - her feelings could naturally develop into something deeper. However, Akira never showed any romantic interest in girls (she's even at least slightly interested in guys, or else she wouldn't have gone to that double date with Kyouko) and she never looked at Fumi as something more than her best friend.

If this series had 52 episodes, maybe they could find a way to make us believe that Akira is/will be in love with Fumi. As they only have 3 episodes left, I can only ask: please don't mess things up and stay realistic.

AlexSadist-sama said:
I found it kinda funny when they both started crying at the end..