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Jan 5, 9:08 AM
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@LIVI___ Popularity doesn't equal quality. Is it every producer's dream? Idk. I'm a member of the audience. I consume what they produce. Popularity doesn't mean anything to me, at least in a meaningful way. Yes, something like Demon Slayer became extremely popular mainly due to its visuals, but the thing that really 'elevated' it was direction. The way they portrayed and directed it elevated the source material in a way that it made the story seem more interesting as well.

Yet, you're missing the point. You say story doesn't mean shit if the production is bad: you're almost right, were it not for the fact that the story remains what it is no matter how you portray it. That's integral to any piece of visual entertainment that contains any semblance of narrative. A story doesn't have to be that interesting on paper in order to still be enjoyable, but the story is still central to what makes it good or bad anyway. I.E. Revenant (starring Leonardo DiCaprio) isn't complex. It's kind of bland on paper, actually; but the way it's directed and played by the actors makes it visceral and compelling. Still, the driving force of the film is contained in the plot. Not the filmmaking. A film is telling and showing you the story. It still has to be written in a way that it also works the way its portrayed in an adaptation, and vice versa.

Point is, production doesn't matter more than story, because its purpose is to envisage it. Not supercede it. It doesn't need to be Demon Slayer in order to do that and be interesting, no matter how hard you try to suggest otherwise. It's only my opinion ofc, but no, I don't think pretty visuals and esoteric designs saved Darling in the Franxx from being a wad of horseshit, or Demon Slayer's flashy episodes from being mid. As controversial as Record of Ragnarok's anime is, I liked it a lot more than something like God of Highschool.

Don't get me wrong, I don't fully agree with SCYTHER07, but at least their viewpoint is fair. If the story is good, that's all that matters in their eyes. On the other hand, since you're arguing for what's been presented (the opening), I find it weird that you think it's fair to criticize it the way you're implying. We haven't even seen the first episode yet.
@daft_mariner I never meant to equate popularity with quality, i brought up demon slayer because i wanted to prove that good production can elevate the source material no matter how poor the story is. I consider production to be more important than story because i have seen various examples where production carried a poorly written series but it's pretty rare to see story carrying a poorly produced show (an example would be the anime adaptation of a manga which is considered the greatest manga of all time by majority i.e berserk and there are countless more)
daft_mariner said:
the thing that really 'elevated' it was direction

and direction comes under the production. A great production is not just great animation, it's also great direction, voice acting, music etc.

When i said "story doesn't mean shit" It was just a hyperexageration, what i meant by this was "production matters more". Even with films outside the medium of 2d animation, you can take examples of Christopher Nolan films. You can compare breaking bad with metastasis, both of them follow the same story but metastasis is just so poorly produced that it makes this series unwatchable or in a very generous case "bad".
I can share you lots of good produced show which doesn't follow a plot like mushishi, non non biyori, k-on they are still very entertaining to watch because the production of these animes create it entertaining to see, make the world building immersive,

I get what you mean, a story is the base for any entertainment media, but if it is not executed right it just becomes pointless, a horrible direction will destroy the story and very often fail to communicate what it wants to share with the audience. It is fair for me to disagree with "story is all that matters"

The good production doesn't need to be as high as jujutsu kaisen or demon slayer to be good.

Speaking of god of highschool, despite it being an rushed series it still is watchable and likeable by a lot. The production saved this series despite it adapting 10 chapters in a single episode
daft_mariner said:
you're arguing for what's been presented (the opening), I find it weird that you think it's fair to criticize

I am critisizing this poorly directed, poorly animated, poorly composited opening. I don't have any critisism for the anime episodes itself YET ( Altough i believe i will have a lot of them in the future.) I think Opening are pretty important too, maybe not a lot but a good opening is what makes me want to watch a series or probably finish them. They act as an advertisement It's because of the opening i do not want to watch the anime episode of this series, it doesn't built hype or makes me curious about the anime it makes me concerned about the production of this series, it feels like they are cutting corners in the production. Bad inbetweens, Bad composition, Bad animation, Bad direction.
Jan 5, 6:48 PM
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Is this a new fan thing? Never seen people so critical of an op animation. Or thinking that the opening animation reflects the animation quality of an anime.

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Jan 5, 10:46 PM
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Omg yall calm down the show didn’t even come out yet
Jan 5, 10:53 PM

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Well bruh, first of all the opening has quite decent animation it wasn't mid or something like bad ofc (the word mid is so overused I can't fathom but laugh at it all the time), but I do agree that some part of the animation wasn't consistently good rather just pretty boring and uncreative or dull. It feels unpolished like seeing the crows or whatever kind of black birds they are flying in the SD opening part.

As like I said before I rlly do hope the animation at least will look decent (but seeing the director resume and the studio, they ate a lot of my hopes for this anime because I don't think TMS is fit for an action centered anime even though I haven't seen any TMS animes whether they're action or not). It doesn't need to be something like JJK level of animation.

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Well bruh, first of all the opening has quite decent animation it wasn't mid or something like bad ofc (the word mid is so overused I can't fathom but laugh at it all the time), but I do agree that some part of the animation wasn't consistently good rather just pretty boring and uncreative or dull. It feels unpolished like seeing the crows or whatever kind of black birds they are flying in the SD opening part.

As like I said before I rlly do hope the animation at least will look decent (but seeing the director resume and the studio, they ate a lot of my hopes for this anime because I don't think TMS is fit for an action centered anime even though I haven't seen any TMS animes whether they're action or not). It doesn't need to be something like JJK level of animation.
SanessyAdversary said:
I don't think TMS is fit for an action centered anime
Well its not that much about which studio animate it, cause TMS is actually big studio and they have talented animators. The problem is in the production probably, if its rushed or they set other animes like the Connan movie or Dr. Stone(which is ending, ofc they woulld play safe with well establieshed franchises even though i wish that they would risk it with SD) the animators cant make miracles in short span of time.

And one thing i want to mention is that SD is shonen but mostly adult cast manga and while that its nothing wrong with that(Gintama can be great example), I think that the shonen with young mc gloomy badass teenagers( cough Kagurabachi rising) or righteous ones etc. get most of the attention.
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standards WAY too high 💀 calm down


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Jan 6, 10:37 AM
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Cry more.If the story is good that's all that matters
@SCYTHER07 If the story is good it is only thanks to the mangaka, not to the studio that animates the animated adaptation, they have only one task to do and that is to animate the story, if they fail in that then they deserve the criticism they are receiving
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imagine trashing an anime that's not even out yet, and fr, can you just enjoy something for once instead of telling it's trash for no reason ?
@yummy_W4ffle Strangely enough, they always end up being right: I had said since the opening that season 2 of Tower of God would be a disaster and in the end what I predicted finally came true
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@Confused_100 I'm so tired of this shit. This is nothing new and certainly isn't just a 'Blue Lock' moment. This type of shots has ALWAYS existed. You guys have this debilitating fear of still frames, which is ridiculous. Still frames have always existed, they will continue to exist and SHOULD exist. This OBSESSION with animation has been increasing since Demon Slayer and it's unbearable.
@SuzuXIII Progress...never heard of it? It's obvious that the anime bar has been raised after so many anime where anime with stunning animations are coming out, if you can't keep up you'll obviously be criticized for it
Jan 6, 11:15 AM
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not MID as Blue Lock 2nd season, so it's okay
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SanessyAdversary said:
I don't think TMS is fit for an action centered anime
Well its not that much about which studio animate it, cause TMS is actually big studio and they have talented animators. The problem is in the production probably, if its rushed or they set other animes like the Connan movie or Dr. Stone(which is ending, ofc they woulld play safe with well establieshed franchises even though i wish that they would risk it with SD) the animators cant make miracles in short span of time.

And one thing i want to mention is that SD is shonen but mostly adult cast manga and while that its nothing wrong with that(Gintama can be great example), I think that the shonen with young mc gloomy badass teenagers( cough Kagurabachi rising) or righteous ones etc. get most of the attention.
@BlindSwordmaster Right, you make a full complete point abt TMS as a studio and SD being adult cast doesn't matter to me at all as long as their characters are interesting or at least fun to watch.

I know it's never abt the studios but rather the director and staffs to see how talented they are in their works and so I did a little analysis a bit on TMS works to see which animes that have great production values till the end or just in general all right to mediocre production values.

Baki for example I heard had average to mediocre animation, I think? Fruits Basket looks like it's TMS best work other than being something like Dr. Stone and Megalo Box which appear to have good production.

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Mackyreels said:
Sakacooked days ,its over guys this adaptation will flop. Go watch Solo leveling or Orb on the movements of the earth instead this season

TMS why didn't you put some of the animators from lupin the 3rd,megalo box or detective conan on this show. Why give us mid😭😭😭😭😭
The staff seems pretty good is it only because of the director??

It is not that bad yall ds
Jan 6, 10:05 PM
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SCYTHER07 said:
Cry more.If the story is good that's all that matters

Blue lock fans and demon slayer hater might deny with your opinion
Jan 7, 3:27 AM

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They couldn't even make Shin walk forward in the opening so they just made him bob side to side, the opening is also just a slideshow of images. It's cooked.
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Jan 7, 4:33 AM

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Without having seen it yet and minus the teenage-bitchiness.....That certainly sounds like a TMS Entertainment Project, to me
Jan 7, 6:26 AM
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gonna be opm s2 all over again
Jan 7, 7:40 AM

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i will decide whether it's mid or not after i see the fanbase (as any TRUE anime patriots would)


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I’m gonna wait for the anime to come out, but my hopes have been abolished, I’m sure the show will be fun, but it’s gonna be rly disappointing for the ppl who wanted an adaptation like that of DanDaDan, Kaiju No 8 (god I hate that anime), Frieren. SakaDays deserves wayy better than TMS. TMS doesn’t even have anything impressive in their works, THEY LITERALLY ANIMATED BAKI AND IT LOOKS LIKE SHIT.
@someguy TMS animated Dr.Stone, Blue Box and they look good.
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AmirKazeXD said:
@someguy TMS animated Dr.Stone, Blue Box and they look good.

Dr stone doesn’t look good in terms of animation, blue box was animated by unlimited produce, a company under TMS, not TMS themselves.
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AmirKazeXD said:
@someguy TMS animated Dr.Stone, Blue Box and they look good.

Dr stone doesn’t look good in terms of animation, blue box was animated by unlimited produce, a company under TMS, not TMS themselves.
@someguy Blue Box was animated by Telecom.
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Oongbuh said:
@someguy Blue Box was animated by Telecom.

Ah yes mb, but I was right abt it not being animated by tms
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Same, I agree with mai senpai

I third agree on this one

i guess thta makes 4?
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