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Dec 25, 2:06 PM
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Since I didn't get any real answers in the original thread...

I don't accept Meruem is a great villain as a statement of it's own, that means nothing.

Explain

Dec 25, 2:36 PM
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Cammell said:
Since I didn't get any real answers in the original thread...

I don't accept Meruem is a great villain as a statement of it's own, that means nothing.

Explain


I agree with you. I thought the beginning was cool and the end was good but the arc dragged on way too long in the middle. I personally think the Phantom Troupe arc is the best still.
Dec 25, 2:38 PM
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"Gon lost his humanity while Meruem gained his" 🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖🤖
Dec 25, 2:44 PM
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Meruem is a great villain

Suck it
Dec 25, 2:48 PM
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It's a different narrative than the one it brings. It shows character development. And it gives rise to a different direction in the series.
I don't think it's overrated, HxH is a good work in its entirety. With many nuances, which keeps me hooked.

I also agree, Yorknew City arc is the best, but I saw it in my childhood. So it's not a fair comparison.
Dec 25, 2:54 PM
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Character Limit…
Dec 25, 3:10 PM
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Yeah I didn’t like it all that much either. It really dragged on for my taste. But that fight that Meruem and Netero have is badass. One of the best moments of the whole show.
Dec 25, 3:18 PM
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def that one staircase scene
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Dec 25, 3:21 PM
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Explanation eh~
It's not like you will magically like the arc even after you get long text wall detailed explanation.

I like it because I enjoy it, and you dislike it because you don't enjoy it, better leave it as that~

To me the story is good, the tension is good, the characters are good etc etc but I'm sure that's not the explanation you're looking for....sorry I don't watch anime to analyze it.

I hope you get the debate you're looking for even though I know it wouldn't change your mind about how you feel about the arc.




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Dec 25, 3:21 PM
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it's not just the arc that's overrated, the whole show is so overhyped and nowhere near as good as everyone praises it to be.

only good thing about the arc is the start and the rest just drags way too long.
Dec 25, 3:36 PM
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Asa wa something something
yoru wo hakudashi
bari bari bara WAGA SAGA
Dec 25, 4:01 PM

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Why can't you just accept that the arc is bad? Pretty much the only redeeming features about this arc are few basic shounen tropes like cool fights, brutally evils characters and power-ups. However, all of this can be found in other shounen with a higher quality.
Dec 25, 4:34 PM
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daggerdrib said:
it's not just the arc that's overrated, the whole show is so overhyped and nowhere near as good as everyone praises it to be.

only good thing about the arc is the start and the rest just drags way too long.

“Drags way to long” coming from an one piece fan😭😂😂 literally the most dragged out “anime” itw😂
Dec 25, 5:51 PM

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it's not just the arc that's overrated, the whole show is so overhyped and nowhere near as good as everyone praises it to be.

only good thing about the arc is the start and the rest just drags way too long.
@daggerdrib True. I think the peak of the show was Yorkshin. The president's succession arc was kind of boring too.
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Mereum when he was born: "I hate repeating myself, don't test me"

Mereum near death and after maturing: "I will repeat myself as many times as necessary."

it's peak i fear
Dec 25, 9:11 PM
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Meruem and Komugi's relationship development
Dec 26, 12:25 AM
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Meruem was not the villain

The humanity were the reals villains, thats the fact

Meruem was born and formed taking the thropic pyramid and the law of the strongest as logic, like us humans when we feed on animals, except that that was what condemned him, by being created based on these he ended up becoming one of them.
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daggerdrib said:
it's not just the arc that's overrated, the whole show is so overhyped and nowhere near as good as everyone praises it to be.

only good thing about the arc is the start and the rest just drags way too long.

Totally agree HxH is overrated imo too some people make it like its one of the greats, yeah I get it its kinda unique and got one of the best power systems but overall the show is barely top 20.
Dec 26, 5:25 AM

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Explanation eh~
It's not like you will magically like the arc even after you get long text wall detailed explanation.

I like it because I enjoy it, and you dislike it because you don't enjoy it, better leave it as that~

To me the story is good, the tension is good, the characters are good etc etc but I'm sure that's not the explanation you're looking for....sorry I don't watch anime to analyze it.

I hope you get the debate you're looking for even though I know it wouldn't change your mind about how you feel about the arc.

@Rinrinka I'm not looking to change my mind but trying to understand the other side

since you can't enjoy something retrospectively
Dec 26, 5:27 AM

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Meruem was not the villain

The humanity were the reals villains, thats the fact

Meruem was born and formed taking the thropic pyramid and the law of the strongest as logic, like us humans when we feed on animals, except that that was what condemned him, by being created based on these he ended up becoming one of them.
@Velourdropbear this was one of the things that I liked, because we as a humanity really aren't the heroes

there are heroes among humans though
Dec 26, 5:29 AM

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@daggerdrib True. I think the peak of the show was Yorkshin. The president's succession arc was kind of boring too.
@LoneTrain the zodiac twelve or however many of them there are was so weak character wise

a lot of their personalities didn't get to be shown and they don't look legendary unlike ging, they are all portrayed as these characters that are nothing compared to ging

they could've been made way cooler
Dec 26, 5:58 AM

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it's good because it's cool when they play hyori ittai at the end of the ep and the narrator starts talking
Training to become a real magical girl
Dec 26, 6:22 AM
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I'm splitting this into two sections, firstly why the arc is great, secondly why Meruem is a great villain.

The Chimera Ant arc is honestly one of the best arcs I've seen in shounen so far, and there's several reasons for that. The build up was very long and many people probably thought it was dragged, but I think it was just right. It wasn't boring, but it did a great job building up my nerves and making me want to see it round up. The other half was just a greatly executed battle (several fights in one battle, to be exact), with each episode making me want to watch even more. And the ending of the arc really didn't leave anything to desire.

As for Meruem, what makes him great is mainly the way he changed in the course of the arc.
Dec 26, 9:35 AM
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daggerdrib said:
it's not just the arc that's overrated, the whole show is so overhyped and nowhere near as good as everyone praises it to be.

only good thing about the arc is the start and the rest just drags way too long.

“Drags way to long” coming from an one piece fan😭😂😂 literally the most dragged out “anime” itw😂

Fr,lol

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Dec 26, 11:16 AM

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I don't think it's good. Is this the validation you wanted?

People are not going to convince you otherwise, you even filtered out one of the main points from people who enjoy it.

There's plenty of good videos and essays around the web talking about it, it's been over a decade. If you really wanted to understand it, you would have already.
Dec 26, 9:35 PM
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NGL i watched the older hxh anime before watching the 2011 release and i genuinely thought that the chimera arc was just one of those things where the anime starts going off and rails and straying from the original story/manga because of how odd the entire thing was. i for real thought it was just some made-up shit and not some actual part of the story both due to the whole ridiculousness of the arc and the fact that i hadn’t seen it mentioned in the older version of the anime prior to watching

the people who like it have their own reasons for doing so but i’m personally not a fan of it lol. it’s probably my least favorite arc out of all of them
Dec 27, 4:49 AM
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The character growth is well done. The battles are epic, it takes a dark twist without feeling overly edgy, it has good messages, and genuinely shocking plot twists. The middle section does drag on a bit but I didn’t mind
Dec 27, 5:39 AM
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I honestly don't know what would make the chimera arc good. As in, it was enjoyable enough, but nothing too special. Lost interest during the whole build up and the story itself felt out of place in regards to everything that was shown before.

That's coming from someone who has Greed Island as his favourite HxH arc, so my opinion is obviously flawed anyway.
Dec 27, 6:17 AM

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Still at it, huh?^^
Maybe it's the ridicolous statement, that makes a real answer difficult for people, who knows?

What's this about Meruem not changing your mind?^^ So....he IS a great characters, you acknowledge that, but great characters just don't matter, when talking about Story-Arcs? "It means nothing" xDD ...Right. Good point.

Here, I contribute one aswell:
"Why is Schindlers List considered to be sad? I don't think it all that depressing. I didn't even cry. What makes it sad, guys? Serious answers only please"



But since I know that you're very whiny about this stuff, here are some bullet-points:

- It's got literal Alien-Mutant-Ants conqering the world, leading up to a bombastic climax where every character and every event matters

- Hunter Association in action, for the first time, setting out to save the world, high stakes, beloved characters are fighting and dying

- It contains Meruem and Komugi falling in love

- There's Ikalgo, how can you not love him?

- There is the Epic Fight between Meruem and Netero

- We have Gon's Fall from Main-Character-Goodness - something that NEVER happens in standart Shonen-Shows

- Kite as a character and his tragic end

- There's a stealth Mission going on in the midst of all that

- The Zoldyck's make an appearance


Emotional Moments, politics, moral questions, Death, Revenge, change of heart, betrayal -> you name it. This Arc contains everything and everyone.
How much do you need, my boy? Nothing you ever watched does outscale this arc, in terms of complexity.

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- the world of HxH expanded through the arc
- the chimera ants as a concept were incredible
- the stakes were high throughout. I mean kite literally died (sorta).
- the nation and its corruption and how that changed and fed Meruem’s perception of humanity and his motivations.
- Komugi’s influence on Meruem + their dying moments
- the ENTIRE battle between netero and meruem
- Gon losing his mind and using all of his nen potential from his whole life span.
- the sudden change in tone from greed island arc to chimera ant arc where the two kids get killed at the very beginning was shocking and set the tone for the rest of the arc.
- the ants that join the humans (colt, meleoron, ikalgo) were awesome and had great character development and contribution to the plot.
- the chimera ants are a perfect intro to the wider “Dark continent”
- the narrator was awesome

I could go on. The chimera ant arc was AMAZING as is the whole anime.
Dec 27, 10:10 AM

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I appreciate the in depth posts above
Dec 27, 11:49 AM
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It shows humanity's power (Gon and that grandad) and we saw mcs in another side (crying Killua, angry Gon). For me it's all
Dec 27, 2:22 PM
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I think what made Chimera Ant arc really amazing, was the real start of the twist in the anime were the death of so well known character was something crazy and it was the first anime I ever watched doing this kind of things. The two persons from the Hunter exam the leader of Hunter community. The tension that was created from the author that gon and his friend has lived I remember that when they sneak into the castle that few seconds was one of the most amazing waited seconds.

I think that this arc is really making history to this work, I don’t know if that’s right or wrong. I don’t even care but you can’t see that this kind of work has been repeated with JJ and bleach thousand war not to mention attack on Titan, for me what made these works great is the intention of killing your own character. A character that you work so hard and designed it.

Really thank you so much for this magnificent work HxH
Dec 28, 6:48 AM
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Rewatched HxH 3 times.

The first time I hated the chimera arc. I skipped a lot.

The second time I actually tried watching with open mind.

The third time I understood how important that arc was for the character development.
Dec 28, 11:07 PM
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Cammell said:
Since I didn't get any real answers in the original thread...

I don't accept Meruem is a great villain as a statement of it's own, that means nothing.

Explain


Well the main reason people consider it great is because of the relatively more serious tone it has compared to all the previous arcs of HH. Furthermore it explores the downsides of the overarching theme in the series of the idea of "resolve" or determination the power for people to control their own destiny. In many of the arcs (including Chimera Ant Arc) It is portrayed that having a stronger resolve literally makes you more powerful in this universe and overcomes natural talent or training (Think when Kurapika beat Uvo or how Meruem could not defeat Komugi). However in The Chimera Ant Arc is this turned on it's head by showing a character like Netero and how his strong resolve was created by a selfish desire to fight the strongest and had nothing to do with w sense of justice despite being on the side of the traditional "good guys". This is especially portrayed in Gon who has such a strong resolve to avenge Kite that he makes decicions the detriment of himself and the people around him and is portrayed as out of control despite gaining immense power for a short time. Many fans can cite this reason for why they find this arc more interesting and engaging on a Philosophical level compared to the previous arcs (even if a lot of people also appreciate the York New Arc)

All in All, I agree the arc is overrated due to how drawn out and bloated it is to the extent to where it takes 40+ episodes to get through what could have been about 15 worth of genuinely brilliant content. So while the messaging and the themese present in this arc is peak shonen the execution isn't that great, and for anybody who disagrees I would recommend watching more short anime series and you should understand immediately.
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Find a thread I once made on the arc way back in 2022 I think it is called “love letter to the chimera ant arc” or something like that. I think I wrote a lot of the reasons why I love that arc there.

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