One of the Ending’s Biggest Issues for Me (Spoiler Alert).

Aug 1, 6:45 PM

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What a nice ending it was ❤️ Loved it .

Aug 1, 8:28 PM

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he doesn't kill his mother ! what the hell are you taking about

Aug 1, 8:33 PM

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my guy she died in like the first episode

Aug 1, 8:38 PM

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mccreepyy said:
my guy she died in like the first episode

She died in the first episode because future Eren sent the titan towards his mom.

Aug 1, 9:00 PM

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if you had the chance to save someone in the past but because of saving that one person you lost every friend in current time i mean the relationship with friends will never happen will you do that

also eren had seen the future and he knows what he has to do so he is a slave of freedom as he cannot change anything

Aug 1, 9:05 PM

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most people here don't even understand the ending i
advice to see "invaderzz" video on youtube if you want to fully understand the story

Aug 1, 9:06 PM

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I personally don't see any issue with it because for me, it just adds more to the dark irony of Eren's character. Seeing his mom die right in front of his eyes also served as a motivation for him to hate all titans and to eliminate all. Im not saying her death was his primary motivation to hate them, I'm just saying it became a major one alongside his desire for freedom. So, if not for Carla's death, I think he wouldn't have gone to such extreme measures in the story to do all things that he did.

Plus, Carla would have died anyways on that day since the wall was breached and so the whole area was swarming with titans. Not to mention, she was also stuck under that rubble, when their house fell. So, she would have been eaten nonetheless, just by a different titan. That's why I think the blame here should be on Reiner, Bertholt since they decided to break the wall. Eren's got nothing to do with it.

Also by indirectly influencing the smiling titan to go in a different direction, I believe Eren also ensured that nothing changed in the timeline. Because if Bertholt had gotten eaten instead of Carla, the whole plot would have changed.

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Aug 1, 9:16 PM

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he doesn't kill his mother ! what the hell are you taking about

He literally mentions it in the last special.

Aug 1, 9:19 PM

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most people here don't even understand the ending i
advice to see "invaderzz" video on youtube if you want to fully understand the story

So anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion does not understand the story? I didn’t attack anyone’s opinions; I just presented my own and the reasons for my arriving at that conclusion.

Aug 1, 9:26 PM

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I agree, AOT is one of my favorite anime but it's ending was very stupid in so many ways including the one you mentioned.
Many fans doesn't wanna believe this and just simply says to others that we didn't understand the ending but it doesn't change the fact that ending of one of the best anime of all time is bad or even stupid.

Aug 1, 9:33 PM

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I agree, AOT is one of my favorite anime but it's ending was very stupid in so many ways including the one you mentioned.
Many fans doesn't wanna believe this and just simply says to others that we didn't understand the ending but it doesn't change the fact that ending of one of the best anime of all time is bad or even stupid.

I agree with you. AOT is one of my favourite anime, but its ending, if I have to describe it in one word, would be "disappointing.” I don’t hate it, as it still left me kind of satisfied and made me cry, but it left many things to be desired and outright ruined some things.

Aug 1, 10:35 PM

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you can't say anything is bad if it doesn't go the way you wanted you can say the ending was not good in your opinion but yeah it was not just some stupid mistake made by the writer he had a vision for the story he presented it art has both people who like it and dislike it but you can't hate it

Aug 1, 10:47 PM

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A1w2v3 said:
you can't say anything is bad if it doesn't go the way you wanted you can say the ending was not good in your opinion but yeah it was not just some stupid mistake made by the writer he had a vision for the story he presented it art has both people who like it and dislike it but you can't hate it

What I want doesn't have anything to do with the story. But it doesn't change anything, because ending was bad anyway. And it was definitely writer's fault, even he acknowledged it and said that anime's ending is better and manga's is rushed.
If you liked the ending it's great, that's your opinion, but it doesn't make others wrong who doesn't like the ending.

Aug 1, 11:20 PM

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says eren killing his mother was one of their biggest problems with the show,
proceeds to list reasons why its actually a good plot.

if a show makes you feel things like heartbroken, sad, bittersweet (all your words), that should be an indication for how good it is.

Aug 1, 11:45 PM

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says eren killing his mother was one of their biggest problems with the show,
proceeds to list reasons why its actually a good plot.

if a show makes you feel things like heartbroken, sad, bittersweet (all your words), that should be an indication for how good it is.

I meant “sad” and “bittersweet” in a bad way. Now, I won’t have the same emotions watching those earlier episodes, as I know that Eren himself was the reason for her death. But those episodes are still masterpieces, imo.

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Aug 2, 1:02 AM

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Personally speaking, It added more to the shock factor and the fact you are still talking about it proves that it was a really impactful reveal. Moreover, it connects all the dots of the circle well, so even if it's a little tragedical or heart breaking, it's something you can expect from an unpredictable series like AOT. It just adds more to the darker spectrum of the story and still makes you question yourself why it isn't Seinen

Aug 2, 2:25 AM

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no_comparisonBM said:
Eren killing his mother was one of the ending’s biggest problems for me. I don’t care about how it “explains” certain things. I just know that because of this, some of the series’s most pivotal moments don’t have the same impact anymore. For instance, the ending of season 4 part 2, where it is shown how Carla’s death was one of Eren’s biggest motivators, loses its significance. We have known since the start how much Carla’s death affected Eren, and now it comes to this?

Additionally, the second-last episode of season 3 part 1, in which Eren hears his mother’s words and gains confidence to fight his depression, now feels bittersweet and sad (in a bad way). Eren loved his mother very much. It is difficult to believe that he could kill her but not his friends. There was no need for this plot line, in my opinion; it just breaks my heart.

I have to say if Eren didn't had to see his mother die still he and his actions turned out to be like this, because of Eren's nature and twisted driving nature of freedom. He was born like this.

Aug 2, 4:47 AM

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Eren was not the one that breached the walls that day. That decision was made entierly by Reiner under Marley's orders. The one that crushed his mother's legs was Bertolt, not him. All Eren did was pick the best timeline for Paradis, which included having to "finish off" his mom on that day. If he saved his mom back then she probably would have died anyway later on, alongside every other Paradis citizen since the events would have been drastically different. Now, I do think Isayama fumbled the execution and did not make any of this clear, but ultimaly the decision to kill Eren's mom came drom Reiner, Bertolt and Marley. So the wrath Eren feels towards the world for basically forcing him to kill his mother is justified.

Aug 2, 5:03 AM

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He did it because it was inevitable, the whole chain of events was already set in stone long before the beginning, at least that's how I understood it.

No, this isn't my signature-desu.

Aug 2, 6:02 AM

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mccreepyy said:
my guy she died in like the first episode

She died in the first episode because future Eren sent the titan towards his mom.

@Spleefy I never said he wasn't indirectly involved in her death. I'm just saying she died in the first episode whilst OP said he killed his mother in the end

Aug 2, 10:22 AM

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honestly the more you will think about the more it won't make sense so just don't 😭

Aug 2, 12:16 PM

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all the explanations behind Eren's masterplan or whatever you want to call it feel like mental gymnastics and really really silly, so in all honesty dont even bother to understand. It ain't worth it

Aug 2, 1:24 PM

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no_comparisonBM said:
Eren killing his mother was one of the ending’s biggest problems for me. I don’t care about how it “explains” certain things. I just know that because of this, some of the series’s most pivotal moments don’t have the same impact anymore. For instance, the ending of season 4 part 2, where it is shown how Carla’s death was one of Eren’s biggest motivators, loses its significance. We have known since the start how much Carla’s death affected Eren, and now it comes to this?

Additionally, the second-last episode of season 3 part 1, in which Eren hears his mother’s words and gains confidence to fight his depression, now feels bittersweet and sad (in a bad way). Eren loved his mother very much. It is difficult to believe that he could kill her but not his friends. There was no need for this plot line, in my opinion; it just breaks my heart.

I think u watched some other anime called aot or u are just high watching the last ep.... in which instance does the show, shows that eren tired to kill his own mother, first of all explain me that, secondly if u didn't understand the last ep or u didn't like the last ep then my friend u didn't understand the point of the whole show rewatch it and then come and give ur options. Thank u

Aug 2, 2:37 PM

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no_comparisonBM said:
So anyone who doesn’t agree with your opinion does not understand the story? I didn’t attack anyone’s opinions; I just presented my own and the reasons for my arriving at that conclusion.

your second sentence literally says "I don't care about how it "explains" certain things."

so why do we need to care about your opinion?

Aug 2, 3:10 PM

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I have a lot of issues with the ending but this is not one of them, it makes complete sense for me that Eren is ultimately responsible for the horrible thing that led him down this path, because he willed this path into being. It feels right for his character.

Aug 2, 9:54 PM

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no_comparisonBM said:
Eren killing his mother was one of the ending’s biggest problems for me. I don’t care about how it “explains” certain things. I just know that because of this, some of the series’s most pivotal moments don’t have the same impact anymore. For instance, the ending of season 4 part 2, where it is shown how Carla’s death was one of Eren’s biggest motivators, loses its significance. We have known since the start how much Carla’s death affected Eren, and now it comes to this?

Additionally, the second-last episode of season 3 part 1, in which Eren hears his mother’s words and gains confidence to fight his depression, now feels bittersweet and sad (in a bad way). Eren loved his mother very much. It is difficult to believe that he could kill her but not his friends. There was no need for this plot line, in my opinion; it just breaks my heart.

I think u watched some other anime called aot or u are just high watching the last ep.... in which instance does the show, shows that eren tired to kill his own mother, first of all explain me that, secondly if u didn't understand the last ep or u didn't like the last ep then my friend u didn't understand the point of the whole show rewatch it and then come and give ur options. Thank u

Eren literally said in the last special that he sent Dina towards his mom. Before saying something to others, try understanding it yourself first.

Aug 3, 12:18 AM

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levibigass said:

no_comparisonBM said:
Eren killing his mother was one of the ending’s biggest problems for me. I don’t care about how it “explains” certain things. I just know that because of this, some of the series’s most pivotal moments don’t have the same impact anymore. For instance, the ending of season 4 part 2, where it is shown how Carla’s death was one of Eren’s biggest motivators, loses its significance. We have known since the start how much Carla’s death affected Eren, and now it comes to this?

Additionally, the second-last episode of season 3 part 1, in which Eren hears his mother’s words and gains confidence to fight his depression, now feels bittersweet and sad (in a bad way). Eren loved his mother very much. It is difficult to believe that he could kill her but not his friends. There was no need for this plot line, in my opinion; it just breaks my heart.

I think u watched some other anime called aot or u are just high watching the last ep.... in which instance does the show, shows that eren tired to kill his own mother, first of all explain me that, secondly if u didn't understand the last ep or u didn't like the last ep then my friend u didn't understand the point of the whole show rewatch it and then come and give ur options. Thank u

It's definitely "Attack on Titan" in which the main character "Eren Yaegar" kills his own mother.
And it's a very simplified way of thinking that if someone doesn't liked the ending then he didn't understand it, isn't it?

Aug 3, 12:23 AM

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no_comparisonBM said:
Eren literally said in the last special that he sent Dina towards his mom. Before saying something to others, try understanding it yourself first.

If you are replying someone, "quote" him, otherwise it will make things complicated.

Aug 3, 12:34 PM

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Spoilers for the entire thing, obviously.

I never thought about but you have a point.

But Eren probably tried many ways and none of the futures that would save most of his friends included his mother being alive. (Edit: this is also true for Sasha, if we look at his reaction at her death as well) Eren killed almost the entire population because it was the best one (in his opinion, of course😂).

Isayama is known to be insanely good at foreshadowing so I don't think he would have made Carla Eren's motivation for nothing.

Before the big plot twist, before we learn about Eren making Dina's titan go for Carla, it seems like Eren's mother is his motivation. Which is true before AND after the plot twist. The only difference is that at first it seems like revenge while the other one (in my opinion) seems like Eren remembering and getting motivated by his mother's death as a sacrifice that shouldn't go to waste, since it was the only choice.

Everyone has different opinions, but that's what i personally think.

Aug 3, 1:16 PM

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I agree. One of the rare issues I had with AoT was the time travel shenanigans in season 4. Being able to see past titans memories is one thing but for Eren to force the titans onto his mom and convince his dad to steal the attack titian was unnecessary; I find that most shows that aren’t mostly about time travel that try and add time travel plot lines have a higher chance of feeling contrived or shoehorned in.

What’s funny about AoT is that it’s leagues ahead of 90% of shows in giving most characters not only fleshed out backstories but reasonable motivations for their actions. Pretty much everyone involved: Grisha/Eren/Floch, Zeke/Gabi/Falco/Reiner, whether you like or agree with these characters aside—you understand where they’re coming from and why they did what they did. So adding this hindsight from Eren that supposedly started everything I think is just tripping over the already excellent writting AoT had already accomplished.

Aug 3, 1:18 PM

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eren what an actor you are

Aug 3, 1:37 PM

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Ruthless_Lord said:

levibigass said:

I think u watched some other anime called aot or u are just high watching the last ep.... in which instance does the show, shows that eren tired to kill his own mother, first of all explain me that, secondly if u didn't understand the last ep or u didn't like the last ep then my friend u didn't understand the point of the whole show rewatch it and then come and give ur options. Thank u

It's definitely "Attack on Titan" in which the main character "Eren Yaegar" kills his own mother.
And it's a very simplified way of thinking that if someone doesn't liked the ending then he didn't understand it, isn't it?

and it is very simplified that if u didn't like the ending it's bad or as u said (the ending got issue)

Aug 3, 4:45 PM

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A1w2v3 said:
most people here don't even understand the ending i
advice to see "invaderzz" video on youtube if you want to fully understand the story

Whats the name of the video?

Aug 3, 7:26 PM

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levibigass said:

Ruthless_Lord said:

It's definitely "Attack on Titan" in which the main character "Eren Yaegar" kills his own mother.
And it's a very simplified way of thinking that if someone doesn't liked the ending then he didn't understand it, isn't it?

and it is very simplified that if u didn't like the ending it's bad or as u said (the ending got issue)

Yes of course, if I didn't liked the ending it's bad from my pov definitely. But that doesn't mean it has to be bad for you too, if you liked it good for you. But that doesn't make us wrong who thinks ending has so many issues.

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Aug 3, 9:13 PM

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dk107_ said:
I personally don't see any issue with it because for me, it just adds more to the dark irony of Eren's character. Seeing his mom die right in front of his eyes also served as a motivation for him to hate all titans and to eliminate all. Im not saying her death was his primary motivation to hate them, I'm just saying it became a major one alongside his desire for freedom. So, if not for Carla's death, I think he wouldn't have gone to such extreme measures in the story to do all things that he did.

Plus, Carla would have died anyways on that day since the wall was breached and so the whole area was swarming with titans. Not to mention, she was also stuck under that rubble, when their house fell. So, she would have been eaten nonetheless, just by a different titan. That's why I think the blame here should be on Reiner, Bertholt since they decided to break the wall. Eren's got nothing to do with it.

Also by indirectly influencing the smiling titan to go in a different direction, I believe Eren also ensured that nothing changed in the timeline. Because if Bertholt had gotten eaten instead of Carla, the whole plot would have changed.

Exactly. Bertoldt staying alive was crucial to Eren’s plan at that time for Armin in the future. Armin, to Eren, was a key needed to unlock the “freedom” he was pursuing. At some point, Eren knew his path could not be stopped and entrusted Mikasa and Armin to continue on. As time went on, you can see the exhaustion from Eren’s eyes. The freedom he thought he would have didn’t come to fruition. He was enslaved to himself until Mikasa (and yes even Armin) ended him, giving him his “freedom” from his sins and burdens.

Aug 3, 11:11 PM

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Ruthless_Lord said:

levibigass said:

and it is very simplified that if u didn't like the ending it's bad or as u said (the ending got issue)

Yes of course, if I didn't liked the ending it's bad from my pov definitely. But that doesn't mean it has to be bad for you too, if you liked it good for you. But that doesn't make us wrong who thinks ending has so many issues.

u wanted a opinion from people so here I am giving u one... but its alright if u hate the end it's ur opinion.

Aug 3, 11:13 PM

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A1w2v3 said:
most people here don't even understand the ending i
advice to see "invaderzz" video on youtube if you want to fully understand the story

Whats the name of the video?

@KawaiiAsHell_ here its 1+ hours long though https://youtu.be/H6GmVCD7cxk?si=m8tTBLrhXcxW5d1n

Aug 4, 1:44 AM

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levibigass said:

Ruthless_Lord said:

Yes of course, if I didn't liked the ending it's bad from my pov definitely. But that doesn't mean it has to be bad for you too, if you liked it good for you. But that doesn't make us wrong who thinks ending has so many issues.

u wanted a opinion from people so here I am giving u one... but its alright if u hate the end it's ur opinion.

Oh, It's not me someone else has started the forum. But I get what you are saying, I just had issue with that you said we didn't liked the ending because we didn't understand it. Rest is fine, I don't mind different opinions really.

Aug 5, 7:46 AM

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no_comparisonBM said:
Eren killing his mother was one of the ending’s biggest problems for me. I don’t care about how it “explains” certain things. I just know that because of this, some of the series’s most pivotal moments don’t have the same impact anymore. For instance, the ending of season 4 part 2, where it is shown how Carla’s death was one of Eren’s biggest motivators, loses its significance. We have known since the start how much Carla’s death affected Eren, and now it comes to this?

Additionally, the second-last episode of season 3 part 1, in which Eren hears his mother’s words and gains confidence to fight his depression, now feels bittersweet and sad (in a bad way). Eren loved his mother very much. It is difficult to believe that he could kill her but not his friends. There was no need for this plot line, in my opinion; it just breaks my heart.

well the problem is that eren didnt want to kill his mother but he had to. He cant change the past or future, he can see it but not change it. He killed his mother so bertholdt could live because if bertholdt died the future couldnt happen

Aug 6, 10:47 PM

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There was no future in which peace would have been an option if Carla survived. Eren wouldn’t have allowed her death otherwise. Consequently, if Carla lived she wouldn’t live in peace.

Aug 7, 1:28 AM

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I would also save the friends that I spent the last what? 8-10 years with over my mom that died while I was very young even if her death affected me because I would have known them for longer and he was a lot younger and it’s been a long time so there’s also a recency bias for saving his friends and they became his family too over all this time. It’s necessary for him to save his friends and take revenge on the rest of the world to have his mother die which she would probably have died anyway since she was stuck under the house. But Eren made it so she died in that vary specific, at that moment, from that titan, in front of his eyes, which would all lead to saving his friends and having his revenge

Aug 8, 10:58 PM

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the story could have been better without the whole "Eren sees the future" thing. Nearly every event that occurs due to meddling with the timeline could have also just occurred naturally, and it would have had a better impact imo.

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GOLD_MONKEY said:
he doesn't kill his mother ! what the hell are you taking about

it was erens motive and decision to have that titan eat his own mother so that younger eren would have the motivation to embark on his vengeance towards the people who did it.

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