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| Looks like this episode explored Rick's life and how he became where he is in the present timeline. Tough life for him but hey, at least he has Reanette by his side. Speaking of Reanette, this episode demonstrated what she's capable of in combat and she's no pushover. |
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| Nice! Reanette was a good character. Rick had a tumultuous journey during his yesteryears. Great to see Rick amping up his emotions to move up. |
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| I mean shit, to have a stable income in this day in age is like our MC over here waiting for his skill to come lol. He did get it in the nick of time ofc. Pretty typical OP MC backstory, really interested in Reanette's backstory though. Also, Chun-Li?  |
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| This episode was kind of a mixed bag because on one hand it’s the best of the series so far and gave us some nice backstory for Rick and Reanette and how he came to link up with orichalum fist, but on the other hand it sort of detracts from the whole “hard work beats talent”, no magical aptitude etc gimmick. If Rick has an OP inborn skill he’s not really an underdog is he? He just needed something and someone to help him awaken that. That said, I did finally manage to care about Rick a little after seeing his humble origins. So that’s a bonus, because up to this point I only cared about Angelica and Reanette lol. Fighting a dragon is a pretty rad first date and definitely a solid way to impress your crush. But damn, one shotting it when even the legendary Reanette struggled means Rick been OP even before his training arc lol. Solid episode though |
Marinate1016Jul 22, 11:45 AM
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Ah, Reanette in action, majestically deadly as expected.  |
| So we got a whole episode that was just a prequel, but instead of explaining the hero's backstory, it ended up totally destroying it. Who would be surprised about Rick being strong after they'd seen him one-shot a fucking dragon? |
| I thought that the whole message of this show is that through hard work and perseverance you can make your dreams come true, but I guess I'm stupid and 90% of success is blind luck... |
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| This episode 4 is better than the 3 previous episodes put together, in fact, this one episode is better than some adventure anime series I have seen. This episode had the dream shining in him as a youth, the disappointment that his parents did not support his dream, being unable tot achieve that dream as time slowly rolled by, the courage and bravery even as a lowly reception to put his life on the line to save others at the cost of his own, the undying fire within him to become a powerful adventure that can defeat even the greatest foe, and him finally breaking free of the chains that kept from achieving his goal, awakening his unique skill and power. Now this is an anime that I can get behind. Give me more of this writing, and I will love the rest of this anime. I think they should have started the anime with this episode, showed his intense training with the greatest party, then gaining his adventure license, along with defeating the arrogant nobles that looked down on him and others. |
ejleonJul 22, 12:27 PM
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
| So, if he knew he single handedly defeated a monster that it would take a team of A Ranked or better adventurers to defeat....WTF was he thinking that he was just getting lucky fighting sub-A ranked people? Also, Reanette is only 17..... |
Reply to Lurik259
And he was God the whole time.
Its not that often, but still far too often, we get two of the shame shows airing simultaneously but with one being actually competent. This show is just the parry show but worse in every way; both shows are still bad. However the parry show is kinda watchable whereas this is just bad.
Its not that often, but still far too often, we get two of the shame shows airing simultaneously but with one being actually competent. This show is just the parry show but worse in every way; both shows are still bad. However the parry show is kinda watchable whereas this is just bad.
| @Lurik259 With all due respect, both are just humorous adventure anime that should not be taken too seriously. It is not trying to be the best written story ever, it is just trying to present a nice fun story for the audience to watch without thinking too hard. I suggest adjusting your judgment scale of anime. |
ejleonJul 22, 12:02 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| Eh. Was the writer suddenly got replaced here? Way to ruin a show. |
Reply to HOOfan_1
So, if he knew he single handedly defeated a monster that it would take a team of A Ranked or better adventurers to defeat....WTF was he thinking that he was just getting lucky fighting sub-A ranked people? Also, Reanette is only 17.....
| @HOOfan_1 You make a very good point. As a longtime receptionist, he had the knowledge of how powerful a dragon is, what rank the adventurers needed to be and how many adventurers were necessary to defeat the dragon. Also, Rick knew that he had a unique inherent skill like the hero, that it finally awaked within him during the fight, and that he defeated the dragon all by himself. It would seem like this contradicts the first 3 episodes, that gave the impression that he did not know how powerful he was, not having anything to gage his true strength by, along with having a limited amount of magical power, which causes him to have to work on the 3 other aspects of the magical scale. So I guess it would be his extreme lack of confidence, knowing he started so late in life, and the naive assumption that A-rankers or higher are still better than him, even after all his training with the greatest adventure party? What do you think? |
ejleonJul 22, 12:25 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| So he had a cheat skill anyways? That's lame. |
Reply to amf85
@ejleon I don't think there is an explanation. The reason many have been so annoyed by the first few episodes of the show are because it makes no sense that he isn't aware of how strong he is. It's virtually impossible unless he's just an idiot, and nothing has shown that he is.
| @amf85 Good point. That would be my brain trying too hard to make sense of "anime logic" 😅🤣 |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Reply to ejleon
@HOOfan_1 You make a very good point.
As a longtime receptionist, he had the knowledge of how powerful a dragon is, what rank the adventurers needed to be and how many adventurers were necessary to defeat the dragon.
Also, Rick knew that he had a unique inherent skill like the hero, that it finally awaked within him during the fight, and that he defeated the dragon all by himself.
It would seem like this contradicts the first 3 episodes, that gave the impression that he did not know how powerful he was, not having anything to gage his true strength by, along with having a limited amount of magical power, which causes him to have to work on the 3 other aspects of the magical scale.
So I guess it would be his extreme lack of confidence, knowing he started so late in life, and the naive assumption that A-rankers or higher are still better than him, even after all his training with the greatest adventure party?
What do you think?
As a longtime receptionist, he had the knowledge of how powerful a dragon is, what rank the adventurers needed to be and how many adventurers were necessary to defeat the dragon.
Also, Rick knew that he had a unique inherent skill like the hero, that it finally awaked within him during the fight, and that he defeated the dragon all by himself.
It would seem like this contradicts the first 3 episodes, that gave the impression that he did not know how powerful he was, not having anything to gage his true strength by, along with having a limited amount of magical power, which causes him to have to work on the 3 other aspects of the magical scale.
So I guess it would be his extreme lack of confidence, knowing he started so late in life, and the naive assumption that A-rankers or higher are still better than him, even after all his training with the greatest adventure party?
What do you think?
| @ejleon I just think it's an example of some of the worst writing of a backstory I have ever seen, not to mention they spent a whole episode on it, and that you actually claimed it was better than the first three combined? Dear Lord. |
Love_And_Forward said: @ejleon I just think it's an example of some of the worst writing of a backstory I have ever seen, not to mention they spent a whole episode on it, and that you actually claimed it was better than the first three combined? Dear Lord. I think the first 3 episodes are some of the laziest writing, with multiple anime tropes just thrown in, that made them really frustrating and annoying. This 4th episode had actual depth and character to the story, with the MC having a dream, experiencing the pain of not succeeding, and then overcoming to make the first step of his new journey as an adventure. I acknowledge that it doesn’t make logical sense in the context of the previous 3 episodes, but I do like this new story better. Also, instead of being an unconfident and awkward person with extreme self doubt, which was really annoying. He could have been a confident warrior that was still humble, who hated the nobles’ arrogance and their treatment of people, stomping on the 3 noble brats intentially, not accidentally. |
ejleonJul 22, 3:11 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Reply to ejleon
Love_And_Forward said:
@ejleon I just think it's an example of some of the worst writing of a backstory I have ever seen, not to mention they spent a whole episode on it, and that you actually claimed it was better than the first three combined?
Dear Lord.
@ejleon I just think it's an example of some of the worst writing of a backstory I have ever seen, not to mention they spent a whole episode on it, and that you actually claimed it was better than the first three combined?
Dear Lord.
I think the first 3 episodes are some of the laziest writing, with multiple anime tropes just thrown in, that made them really frustrating and annoying.
This 4th episode had actual depth and character to the story, with the MC having a dream, experiencing the pain of not succeeding, and then overcoming to make the first step of his new journey as an adventure.
I acknowledge that it doesn’t make logical sense in the context of the previous 3 episodes, but I do like this new story better.
Also, instead of being an unconfident and awkward person with extreme self doubt, which was really annoying.
He could have been a confident warrior that was still humble, who hated the nobles’ arrogance and their treatment of people, stomping on the 3 noble brats intentially, not accidentally.
| @ejleon I agree with you inasmuch that I would have supported this episode being the first, with the logical follow-up coming after. Don't get me wrong, I hated the stupidity of the MC like everyone. As a fourth episode, trying to explain the world, feelings and motivations of the characters laid out, it is nothing but a disaster. He suddenly looks even more stupid, if that was even humanly possible. Not to mention others. If you actually one-shot a dragon in the town you live in and then come back after two years of training to take an "E-rank test," do you think the receptionist would realistically be surprised he did well? Furthermore, I see that this was based on a light novel. Is there anyone here who has read it and could tell us if that one was equally idiotic? |
Love_And_ForwardJul 22, 2:54 PM
| Probably my favorite episode so far. Seems like Rick was already pretty strong before the training. Also Reanette looks great with her hair up |
| I was ready to drop the series with this episode (especially since it didn't seem to progress the story in any way), but it really got me invested in the characters, the relationship between Reanette and Rick and the goal to defeat the legendary monster Kaiser Alsapiet. I'm still a bit conflicted about what I should think about the anime, but I'm hooked. The episode gave Reanette a lot more personality, especially with her backstory hinting at Alsapiet possibly destroying her home town. I had hoped for a slightly different skill for Rick that would have made him more durable to survive the hellish training without instantly being able to one-shot a dragon, but I don't really mind. I'm looking forward to learning more about his skill in the next episodes. (edit: I missed some of the implications about Rick having destroyed his internal magic curcuits with his attack against the dragon) |
VaturnaJul 23, 1:42 AM
| Wow, you don't often see a show completely contradict itself like this. The idea that Rick has no idea how strong he is when he knows he has a cheat skill inside him, and when he one-shotted a dragon with said skill (having been told that it would take A-Rank adventurers or higher to beat it), is utterly nonsensical. The fact that everyone apparently just forgot about Rick doing this in the middle of town to be surprised that he's taking the test or doing well in it makes zero sense as well now. The fact that he has a cheat skill completely defeats the messaging of the first few episodes, as it turns out that it wasn't just through hard work that he became strong but because he has a cheat skill like every other basement-tier fantasy/isekai protagonist out there. The contradiction is irritating enough in itself, but the fact that the change is made from something interesting to something overdone and painfully cliche is simply infuriating. The only things this backstory actually explains properly is why the best adventurers in the land would take an interest in a random guy like Rick was presented as in the first few episodes, but it's just a shame that the show had to completely throw away everything it set up and presented in the first three episodes to do so. The show isn't completely ruined by this episode or anything, but it's definitely lost a lot of the appeal it was looking like having. |
| Would have been better if it had just started with this outright. Flashbacks/jumping forward or backwards in time is a poor way to tell a story, but at least it wasn't stretched for multiple episodes. Didn't expect him to 1 shot a dragon lol also explains his relationship with Reanette a little better. Bit of a pacing concern with this being episode 4 already, the story having barely progressed at all makes you worry if it won't get rushed through later. 12ep definitely going to hurt the overall story progression, they've basically wasted 4 episodes on maybe 1-2 actual (story timeline) days. Either this stays at an incredibly slow pace and very little progress happens in this season, or the in story timeline will end up drastically rushing from this point on. Either way this pacing is awful for a 12ep format, it feels like a 2 cour story going off of current pace development. If they transition to a sped up pace it will only seem more like poor time management and less rewarding overall. |
Hot-PantaloonsJul 22, 3:10 PM
Reply to Hot-Pantaloons
Would have been better if it had just started with this outright. Flashbacks/jumping forward or backwards in time is a poor way to tell a story, but at least it wasn't stretched for multiple episodes. Didn't expect him to 1 shot a dragon lol also explains his relationship with Reanette a little better. Bit of a pacing concern with this being episode 4 already, the story having barely progressed at all makes you worry if it won't get rushed through later. 12ep definitely going to hurt the overall story progression, they've basically wasted 4 episodes on maybe 1-2 actual (story timeline) days. Either this stays at an incredibly slow pace and very little progress happens in this season, or the in story timeline will end up drastically rushing from this point on. Either way this pacing is awful for a 12ep format, it feels like a 2 cour story going off of current pace development. If they transition to a sped up pace it will only seem more like poor time management and less rewarding overall.
| @Hot-Pantaloons It doesn't explain his relationship with Reanette at all. Through the first episodes he acts like he's nothing but a fly on the wall compared to her, when in fact, he already saved her life even before they started training. Oh, not to mention!  But Rick doesn't have a mana pool, does he?! |
Love_And_ForwardJul 22, 3:10 PM
Love_And_Forward said: @ejleon I agree with you inasmuch that I would have supported this episode being the first, with the logical follow-up coming after. Don't get me wrong, I hated the stupidity of the MC like everyone. As a fourth episode, trying to explain the world, feelings and motivations of the characters laid out, it is nothing but a disaster. He suddenly looks even more stupid, if that was even humanly possible. Not to mention others. If you actually one-shot a dragon in the town you live in and then come back after two years of training to take an "E-rank test," do you think the receptionist would realistically be surprised he did well? Furthermore, I see that this was based on a light novel. Is there anyone here who has read it and could tell us if that one was equally idiotic? Oh I see … I now understand your first comment to me, sorry it took me so long. 😅 Those are two good points. 1. He was a former receptionist, he one-shot a dragon with his awakened skill, and had expert training for two years, so why is he so nervous about taking the E-rank test? 2. After two years, why didn’t anyone know about him and that he singlehandedly one-shot a dragon to save the entire town/city? This guy should be well known and people should be thanking this guy even after two years. This rabbit whole keeps getting deeper. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Reply to Love_And_Forward
@Hot-Pantaloons It doesn't explain his relationship with Reanette at all. Through the first episodes he acts like he's nothing but a fly on the wall compared to her, when in fact, he already saved her life even before they started training.
Oh, not to mention!
But Rick doesn't have a mana pool, does he?!
Oh, not to mention!
But Rick doesn't have a mana pool, does he?!
| @Love_And_Forward idk she seems like one of the "straight face" types, explains why she cares about him they clearly have an unspoken awkward thing between them. As for the magic it seems more like he just used everything he had all at once, how she says "you destroyed every magic circuit in your body". They never said he has no magic, just that he wouldn't be able to cultivate More. |
Reply to Hot-Pantaloons
@Love_And_Forward idk she seems like one of the "straight face" types, explains why she cares about him they clearly have an unspoken awkward thing between them. As for the magic it seems more like he just used everything he had all at once, how she says "you destroyed every magic circuit in your body". They never said he has no magic, just that he wouldn't be able to cultivate More.
| @Hot-Pantaloons I mean, he had enough magic to kill a dragon. |
Reply to Love_And_Forward
@Hot-Pantaloons I mean, he had enough magic to kill a dragon.
| @Love_And_Forward to be fair we don't have any real power scale or reference for what/how much magic is needed to do something or how much magic he really has other then "its very low". We only know he can't increase his mana pool, but putting every ounce into a finite point all at once who's to say it wasn't enough to "laser beam punch" a dragons head off. The fact they mention him destroying all his magic circuits just means he threw every drop into that 1 attack. It's definitely a bit of a plot-hole since we had 0 reference to his baseline original magic power before that. The name of his special skill makes it seem more like a self destructive last resort type move. Makes me at least think that's why they trained him so much, not so he'd get stronger but seemingly more so he wouldn't fall apart after 1 use. Also as they mentioned in earlier episodes he has superior control over his basic magic, but when used properly even basic magic can overwhelm. So odds are him killing the dragon was along the lines of showing how it's not total magic so much as how someone is able to use it. Again that's just my take on it, the story has some definite plot holes/development issues. Tbh this pacing in general has me worried about how far things will actually go, and or how drastically they'll start skipping forward. |
Reply to Hot-Pantaloons
@Love_And_Forward to be fair we don't have any real power scale or reference for what/how much magic is needed to do something or how much magic he really has other then "its very low". We only know he can't increase his mana pool, but putting every ounce into a finite point all at once who's to say it wasn't enough to "laser beam punch" a dragons head off. The fact they mention him destroying all his magic circuits just means he threw every drop into that 1 attack. It's definitely a bit of a plot-hole since we had 0 reference to his baseline original magic power before that. The name of his special skill makes it seem more like a self destructive last resort type move. Makes me at least think that's why they trained him so much, not so he'd get stronger but seemingly more so he wouldn't fall apart after 1 use. Also as they mentioned in earlier episodes he has superior control over his basic magic, but when used properly even basic magic can overwhelm. So odds are him killing the dragon was along the lines of showing how it's not total magic so much as how someone is able to use it. Again that's just my take on it, the story has some definite plot holes/development issues. Tbh this pacing in general has me worried about how far things will actually go, and or how drastically they'll start skipping forward.
| @Hot-Pantaloons Yet Reanette was in awe of the amount of mana emanating from him, and he had no idea how to use it. |
| As a side note this is the episode I've been most disappointed with this season. It's just a good thing it didn't happen to any of the shows I really, really like. |
| I'm not convinced that Rick always had that ability but only awakened it when facing the dragon. It implies that he was always strong but just needed some training to control it better, which somewhat undermines the anime's message. Nevertheless, Rick never gave up. I'm surprised that Reanette is around 19 years old; being an elf, one would think she would be hundreds of years old. What I don't quite understand is whether Reanette couldn't defeat the dragon because of her trauma or if she could have beaten it but was incapacitated by her trauma. |
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Reply to Sheol01
@Grim1952 Looks like it was also destroyed using it that way, if pay careful attention to the Episode. You know where it says Magic circuits destroyed or something like that in the subtitles.
| @Sheol01 ... but if "every magic circuit in his body was destroyed" then he couldn't even use the basic one-tier spells we see him using later. This episode is nothing but a gigantic mess and no amount of fansplaining can correct it. |
I love this series. I'm sure more than one already feels like an “Ossan” but don't give up! You can still fulfil your dream! Faito!! |
| nice background story on how rick joined reanette's party. now more new adventures awaits him😁 and defeating a dragon when his skills just first awakened was no easy feat! no wonder reanette was impressed lol |
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Reply to FedeMetal
Congratulations Rick. This was for all your hard work. You are now an adventurer.
| @FedeMetal But it all happened before he put in any of the hard work. He hadn't even managed a "little flame" before he suddenly survived being stomped by a dragon and proceeded to kill it with one punch. @Adverrito They take us all for fools. |
| I defended Rick in earlier episodes having so much doubt about his own abilities despite being strong, but this episode just threw me under the bus and backed over me a couple times for good measure. He was pretty much unharmed by a dragon trying to crush him multiple times and then he used some awakened super ability to blow it to smithereens in one shot while a collection of S-B ranked adventurers were absolutely helpless against it. On its own I actually really liked this episode, the backstory was well done and added a bit of depth to Rick. I'm curious what the akashic wish he wants if, assuming he has one in mind. And I do think it was a pretty satisfying answer to how he managed to join one of the ultimate parities. Reanette is awesome and accepted his date invite before even knowing he was a superhuman. Not a deal breaker, but still disappointing when you root for an underdog who's working against the odds just for the plot to reveal oh wait actually he's a chosen one/some ultimate ability/etc. |
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