Yoru no Kurage wa Oyogenai Episode 5 Discussion

You like to ignore my points or something?

I do realize it has tags, and that’s the problem. IT’S LITERALLY LYCORIS RECOIL TYPE OF RELATIONSHIP. That is why yuri is such a broad term, and it’s not a yes/no type of situation. Right now it went further than Lycoris with the hinting and will potentially venture on a completely new territory.

Futari Escape that has yuri tags is less gayer than what happened in this episode of YoruKura.

>attacking

Well someone surely is delicate, if a bit of facts about the genre hurts you so much.

Both series ended up with nothing but bait, both series had no yuri couples at the end of the series, both just delivered a bunch of yuri fanservice and undertones to do nothing with them.

One is labeled as yuribait by the anime community, the other is tagged as yuri.

Crazy isn’t it? It’s almost like the line where yuri starts and ends can’t be made that easily.

Then what is your own opinion on the situation you know nothing of?

I mean it’s not like you know how the genre works right? If you knew you wouldn’t be here in the first place, but you will base your opinion on the absolute basics of the genre without looking further into it, because you’re not here to find the truth, but to preach your own delusions, and stop other people from celebrating a scene that makes them happy.

You’re not here to potentially change your mind, you’re not here to learn something new about the genre all the situation as a whole.

You came here to yap, and base your statement on the sole fact that anything can happen from now on.

Well you seem to be comfortable with talking facts, about mangas you haven’t read.

Because that’s pretty much the only reason to contest my argument about Futari Escape.

The girls really deserve to be popular after working so hard.

Cute Kano x Mahiru moment btw. <3 That kiss totally surprised me. They were faster than Yori and Himari in Sasayaku You ni Koi wo Utau. Those two have a lot to learn from Kano and Mahiru, lol.

@uncleqrow It was really good sarcasm until you went to the opposite extreme by saying that one kiss on the cheek without any context means "full yuri route". It would be better to take an example from @sKyBlazer08, who reasonable speaks about his opinion, even if he thinks things are quite obvious. But one way or another, yes, the author still stands by his claim that any yuri in this show is up to interpretation, sorry if I'm ruining your passion.

@thehornedrat I understand what you're want to say, but I was talking about audience reaction, not production team. I will completely understand and accept if Doga Kobo, with all their history, make their anniversary project yuri. The problem is that, as you can see from this thread, any hint of ships instantly makes shipping the only thing people are interested in and discussing (in some cases, even years after the end of the show and the sinking of ships, read on YouTube the discussion of clips from the 8th episode of Hibike). Sure, I prefer platonic stories more than yuri, but I actually wouldn't mind if they made it COMPLETELY open to at least ended controversy and speculation. But unfortunately, regardless of further development or the author's intentions, this will now most likely become the classic "gay or not gay" flame bait this season.

@GGcc78 This is all pure speculation, we can endlessly assume things based not even on indirect evidence, but simply theorizing.

@LegatoC Suki is literally "like". The rest depends on the context. The actual passage you quoted literally speaks about this. For "strong feelings" there is "aishiteru", but the Japanese do not usually use this as melodramatic. I don’t know what the meaning of Kano’s kiss was, but Yoru's words most likely had a platonic context. That's why she was surprised by Kano's reaction, no matter what her intentions were.

Also, I checked episode 4 again, there was nothing about “crush”. She implied that there was a person she was “kinda into,” to which the girls asked “what kind of person.” Which she explained in this episode. This is a comedic misunderstanding, not a love confession. You can also easily see this from her surprised reaction to their answer and the fact that we are not allowed to see the end of the scene.

i agree with this and i actually thought something very similar. I think it would be really interesting to see if the reason why the blonde girl got outcasted from her previous idol group was because of her sexuality, which possibly could of been found out if she developed feelings for one of her group mates. Maybe there was some homophobia, (?) therefore leading to why the blonde girl responded violently (punched the one girl). I would love to see such a mature theme and with the way the show has been portrayed so far, i don’t think this idea is far fetched.

You go and tell that lmao.

If that is yuri then YoruKura and Lycoris might as well be.

And go tell that to the author as well, because „A trained yuri reader should be able to see yuri in any relationship”.

As the author of Futari Escape intended.

The only thing this devolved into a yuri discussion, is because one person decided to make it his mission to tell everyone that this isn’t yuri yet, because you can’t be 100% sure.

WE ARE WORKING ON WHAT WE ARE GIVEN RIGHT NOW, and at this point every single sign points at the kiss being far more than just a random ass scene that we will quickly forget about or will not have much of an impact on the anime.

Note that the passage only mentions "something" for the "like" meaning, and "someone" as romantic interest: "Suki translates best to ‘like’, but it’s used in Japan to express that you’re romantically interested in someone. You can also use it to say that you like something, like food, a skirt, anything."

That's also in line with how I know it. I don't think it's common to say to a platonic friend that you "[friend]のことが好き" them, which you can also see by Kano's reaction: She immediately gets flustered and asks if Yoru is drunk.

On the other hand, Yoru didn't seem flustered while saying it, so... yeah, maybe it's not what she meant, and its more of what you call a "comedic misunderstanding".


When did that happen?

The way these girls save me every week.. jaw on the floor, best episode of the season, from any anime. I’m so moved. Wrap it up, this is AOTS. So much to go over in this one

Ok for starters, them uploading the wrong video and still going viral is hilarious 😭 luckily it gave them a lot of attention and still helped build up their brand.

But what made this episode so special for me was Yoru dealing with her insecurities about her art. As a content creator I really empathise with her getting upset about other people drawing her art and going viral.

Even though it should’ve been something that was flattering, it just makes you feel like “what am I doing wrong, why am I not getting that attention”. Combine that with the rude comments some people put on her posts and her general insecurities with her friends’ accomplishments and it’s no wonder she went into a depressive state.

Even with Kano telling her she loved her art, it wasn’t enough because she was constantly comparing it to everyone else’s.. The scene of Kano pulling Yoru’s face into her stomach, they were teasing us hard😩

The biggest thing is how she didn’t just give up, but used that as fuel and actually improved her art significantly by the end. You can either quit or just work on improving yourself, ultimately the only validation that’ll work is from within.

After all their hard work, a shrine visit to ring in the new year and pray for success in the upcoming year... but WHAT THE FUCK, a KISS??!? “Yuri bait” copers are seething rn. They laid crumbs throughout the episode like Yoru and Kano in Yoru’s room, the train, “I like your singing and you” but I didn’t expect a proper kiss out of nowhere like that. Please don’t walk this back next episode because I need this 😭

Not a content creator myself, but I've heard that they can start seeing the metrics as a measure of their worth as a person. Seems like a damaging headspace to get sucked into.

Yoru trying harder at the end to draw a better picture reminds me a little of Gojou pushing harder to make Marin's first cosplay in Sono Bisque Doll wa Koi wo Suru. (Gojou was exerting himself a lot more there though.) I wasn't sure if that was the best mental state to draw in, but it's nice to see it turn out well for her.

Probably just a coincidence, but I think I've heard "jelee" used as slang for "jealous". Is that what Yoru feels towards the artist producing better drawings of her character? Or what Kano feels for her old idol unit getting back together without her?

@LegatoC You are digging too deep when her words were quite simple. She almost directly said that she liked Kano because she did a lot of good things for her. Which she hinted at back in the last episode when the girls misunderstood her and thought she had a love interest. That POSSIBLY Kano somehow misunderstood. At this point, I'm more than sure that this was the logic of the episode. While the main intrigue is precisely Kano’s intentions and how alcohol influenced this.

You just fall into the typical trap of people with little anime experience thinking that like literally means “love” or that these are incredibly strong words, although even in real life you can easily tell your friends that you love them at important moments. Hell, there's even a common term in English called "loved ones".

@razisgosu People "whine" precisely because the short scene at the end of the episode is declared to be the point and the only interesting moment of the entire episode. This is precisely the problem, not the yuri potential itself. As you can see, many of the “critics” themselves would not be against yuri if it were open.

@k_kindawatchAnim It never had a 0% chance. The author said from the very beginning that it depended on the viewer, which made it 50% to 50%

@thehornedrat Hah, it's too early to rejoice. Shippers have already tried to take Super Cab into yuri territory, trying to convince themselves that when a girl walks around naked in another girl's house, it automatically means they had sex, lmao.

@Hormigo Because that's what people actually care about the most. The rest is either REALLY not that important, or was simply used to give some meaning to the interest in the ships. In general, what was suddenly revealed when the second season of Hibike began to sink ships. But then again, like you, I don’t mind if it’s yuri. It just annoys me when people either jump to conclusions without even trying to wait, or stubbornly fetishize this part of anime, ignoring everything else, as was the case with Yuri on ICE. Just read the comments on the film's cancellation. Almost no one even remembers that this is an excellent show about figure skating, everyone only talks about how loud it is BL.

I've been watching anime for decades. And you're talking about English, a culture in which telling people you like (or love) them is much, much more common.

@LegatoC You are digging too deep when her words were quite simple. She almost directly said that she liked Kano because she did a lot of good things for her. Which she hinted at back in the last episode when the girls misunderstood her and thought she had a love interest. That POSSIBLY Kano somehow misunderstood. At this point, I'm more than sure that this was the logic of the episode. While the main intrigue is precisely Kano’s intentions and how alcohol influenced this.

You just fall into the typical trap of people with little anime experience thinking that like literally means “love” or that these are incredibly strong words, although even in real life you can easily tell your friends that you love them at important moments. Hell, there's even a common term in English called "loved ones".

@razisgosu People "whine" precisely because the short scene at the end of the episode is declared to be the point and the only interesting moment of the entire episode. This is precisely the problem, not the yuri potential itself. As you can see, many of the “critics” themselves would not be against yuri if it were open.

@k_kindawatchAnim It never had a 0% chance. The author said from the very beginning that it depended on the viewer, which made it 50% to 50%

@thehornedrat Hah, it's too early to rejoice. Shippers have already tried to take Super Cab into yuri territory, trying to convince themselves that when a girl walks around naked in another girl's house, it automatically means they had sex, lmao.

@Hormigo Because that's what people actually care about the most. The rest is either REALLY not that important, or was simply used to give some meaning to the interest in the ships. In general, what was suddenly revealed when the second season of Hibike began to sink ships. But then again, like you, I don’t mind if it’s yuri. It just annoys me when people either jump to conclusions without even trying to wait, or stubbornly fetishize this part of anime, ignoring everything else, as was the case with Yuri on ICE. Just read the comments on the film's cancellation. Almost no one even remembers that this is an excellent show about figure skating, everyone only talks about how loud it is BL.

@RobertBobert It's almost as if yuri undertones, kiss, wearing the other girls clothes, talking about a special person, etc, ended up being probably about 50% of the episode. I Wonder why that's what most people are discussing this episode. The other 50% of the episode involved view counts going up and Yoru's insecurities, which is also being widely discussed.

What a good anime, I really like how the girls' interactions don't feel forced, which leads me to ask, is yuri coming between Yoru and Kano? ._.

@razisgosu Yes, that’s why 90% of all comments hyperfocus on the kiss or the kissing scene, and even many who originally ship them, wrote that they didn’t expect it. Not to mention the whole story of anime suddenly starts trending after this. Even putting aside how you try to explain it with interpretations or things that made sense in context ("undertones", yeah), it's pretty clear that the kiss was what set this thread on fire. I highly doubt there would have been any plot events in this episode outside of the kiss that would have caused the comments to double or triple, lol.

@RobertBobert To be fair, the comment section has hit the triple digits because you've been replying to almost everyone being excited about the kiss and other events and trying to undermine their excitement, being all reel it in boys. This comment section is literally 25% you alone. I get it, you don't agree with what everyone else is seeing.

An episode that focuses on Mahiru's insecurities with her art, relating back to her past where she crosses out her name on her jellyfish mural. In this case, it is the social media comments about her art, as well as Kuroppu's amazing fan art that causes her to have a case of imposter syndrome among her fellow JELEE peers. This internal conflict and insecurity throws Mahiru off, and Kano was able to tell that something was off about her, and is continuously there to reassure Mahiru and cheer her up. This culminates with their promise about the Shibuya Aquarium, which becomes the title of JELEE's next MV, spurred on by Mahiru's new reason/dedication to improving her art.

I'm really happy to see Mahiru turn the negative energy around her insecurities into a strong motivating factor to improve her artwork. The strongest character development scene in this episode for me was when Mahiru goes back to her jellyfish mural, and reclaims ownership of it, this time using her Umitsuki Yoru penname associated with JELEE.