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Jul 24, 2021 7:58 AM
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Main girl was going to ask but her friends ran away.

Main girl imagination and being jealous about another girl coming. She's doing fashion show so her "onii-sama" likes her more.

Talk about the terrorist group.

Detective's turn. They keep following the culprit, but he found out they are following and in trouble. So the detective girl's power is wind. Main girl followed the three of them, so she caught up to save them. Onii-sama's teacher appears.

Oh, the boss is the one who showed interest about onii-sama.

Student council president eased students' worry but too late.
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It seems this show is finally ready to actually take off and be taken more seriously. I mean, this case involving mysterious attacks and even Tatsuya has some of my interest.

But yeah, definitely the most serious episode of this show so far as the students fell under attack. It seems this anime does have dangerous criminals after all and if it wasn't for Miyuki showing up, that could've been a lot worse.
Jul 24, 2021 9:54 AM
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Miyuki spends hours deciding what to wear to surprise Tatsuya only to be half naked when he walks in. Perfect
Jul 24, 2021 10:02 AM
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Its been a while bit its nice to see Sayaka again. Its adorable seeing Miyuki panic though. Within the school i guess its normal for the committee to be seen as the schools watchdogs. The implications of the war that Blanche could spark if left alone sure is dire. The girls detective club sure had a rather close call there. Its fortunate that Miyuki was able to get there in time. Miyuki's subdue of the blanche members sure was effortless. Against fanatic's only displays of strength will be able to subdue them. Its nice that the spin off is allowing this arc to be expanded beyond by presenting different perspectives. Mayumi's speech though was pretty impressive. Changing a belief is a time consuming process but it will be far more successful if it was done through diplomacy and mutual acceptance that whether they are class 1 or 2 students that all are magicians that are needed in society. Overall a pretty balanced ep that served to expand well upon the discrimination present within the school and using that in conjunction with the threat of blanche to advance the arc. Looks like this arc will be concluded next ep.
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Jul 24, 2021 10:11 AM
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The Girl's Detective Club got themselves into trouble. Luckily Miyuki was there.

Mayumi little speech was something. I remember it from the main story.

Jul 24, 2021 10:23 AM
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I have to say l loved the season 1 designs more than this spinoff one however the background CGI characters look much better so they do have some improvement.

Tatsuya looks a bit too young same with Miyuki l can't exactly pinpoint it but it feels like all the character's faces got super smooth.

Looking forward to more fight scenes now that Blanche has started the attack on First High.
Jul 24, 2021 10:29 AM
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We see Miyuki embracing herself as a monster and Shizuka figuring out Miyuki's secret.
The rest is basically a retread of season 1.
For me, the show is slowly sliding into "nothing new or interesting" territory :(. The "monster Miyuki" thing has to pay off soon, but i doubt the writers of the shows will be able to do it justice.
Jul 24, 2021 11:07 AM
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Welp, Miyuki fanservice once again. Great stuff.. Second half of the episode was a bit more serious with the criminals attacking the school and the council president giving a speech about the descrimination.



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Jul 24, 2021 11:12 AM
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Things are about to heat up with Blanche getting involved and the school getting attacked.
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overall good episode


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malMaxi said:
We see Miyuki embracing herself as a monster and Shizuka figuring out Miyuki's secret.
The rest is basically a retread of season 1.
For me, the show is slowly sliding into "nothing new or interesting" territory :(. The "monster Miyuki" thing has to pay off soon, but i doubt the writers of the shows will be able to do it justice.


Yeah actually l wished they would have worked on season 3, but l have no problem with more content anyways l love this anime
Jul 24, 2021 3:27 PM

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Its interesting to see a different POV but it was kinda boring for the most part. It doesn't help the animation is bad sometimes.
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Ah yes, gimme more of that glorious Miyuki fan service. <3
Jul 25, 2021 12:36 AM

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Miyuki's brocon fantasies is getting sickening...much better if she's just a ruthless unforgiving yandere!
3/5.


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malMaxi said:
theGodde said:
the vast amount of "New York Times Bestsellers" I've read came across like bad fanfiction. If there is one thing that I would say most modern writers are lacking, it is a passion for the medium. I read these books and I feel like I'm watching a novice writer describe the movie they're watching. A lot of modern writers don't seem to understand that books and movies have different writing conventions. I often feel like I'm reading a bad movie script that was paraphrased into a story. So to summarise the general problem I have with many modern authors is the lack of experience reading actual books. Steven King himself said that television was the worst thing to happen to the writing world.

I haven't considered things from this angle. So basically the writing industry suffers from a massive influx of incompetent writers from a much more successful film industry, as well as from new talent being much more significantly influenced by film than books?
this is many classical writers' biggest gripe with modern writing and honestly speaking I can see exactly what they mean.

but at the same time, Cinema is a such a big deal because it's simply a more engaging form of media. Whether you prefer books or not, you can't ignore the fact that we as humans prefer information that is delivered by multiple forms. Media utilising sound, images, and words is far more effective at communicating information than simply words, sounds, or images alone. This is why your average viewer prefers movies. It's simply more in line with how our brains are designed to absorb information, and so therefore it will remain as the unavoidable reality of media consumption. We can never go back to pre-television (without a world war or two lmao)

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When it comes to anime, I would refer to the Hollywood effect - it's become all about money, loss of artistic integrity, etc. etc. Whenever I see an anime that takes risks, it is often lacking in vision and script quality. A recent example would be Jouran: Princess of Snow and Blood. A show with a new and unique concept where the main arc wrapped up 4 episodes in and the rest of the story was a meandering and unguided mess. Going back to last year another potential masterpiece was Akudama Drive. However the world wasn't properly set up so a lot of the stakes felt contrived, bordering on nonsensical at times.
I can't say I follow much manga or LNs. However the jump manga Spy X Family gives me hope that new and unique stories can still be told.

Overall, I would say that there are many unique stories still being told, however many of the more firmly established media industries are beginning to feel the dead weight that has built up over time. Many industries (especially hollywood) need to begin to reinvent themselves again. Experiment and return to their roots.

I agree that there is no need to worry about unique stories :D That well is nowhere near exhausted.

It would be nice if established industries felt the deadweight, but i don't think they actually do. Ultimately, to a film industry executive, a successful writer with good track record is little more than an expensive brand name that, through a mechanism said executive is rarely able to comprehend, commands the attention of a paying audience.

As long as the industry has those brand names, their production process and thus profit process won't be disturbed. And, apparently, in the current day and age you don't need the classic writing quality to become such a brand name.

The process of accumulation of such "brand fatigue" is ongoing, but i'm guessing it will take a generation or two before this process is anywhere near completion. We will likely see a cultural shakeup via a major military conflict, or a significant technological shift before we see any kind of that "return to roots".

I personally don't think so. Especially now that a lot of indie films can get support through Netflix and so forth, it's going to be a lot harder for modern hollywood to keep shovelling out the same crap it usually does. The cinema experience mentality is starting to change. People will only go to cinemas now if it's a movie that absolutely must be seen in that format. Under these changes, I don't think hollywood can keep going as it is. It's already been self-destructing lately, and many other foreign film industries are starting to expand out and pose a serious threat to Hollywood's supremacy. However this is a change that will take a while to manifest. But even if execs change their minds now, it won't actually materialise until 2/3 years down the line.

as for the Anime industry, I'd agree that it's not feeling the deadweight at all. Anime is slowly expanding and becoming more accepted throughout the rest of the world. It's still growing even now. So until it sees the consequences of its current system nothing will change.

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which is why I was trying to argue that mahouka had enough narrative to set up good characterisation. But there just wasn't any.

Mahouka as a franchise - probably yes. This specific series - no.

There is a difference between "good moments of characterization" and "good characterization" :D. For example, there were exactly two good moments of characterization in ep.4 (which we can discuss in ep.4's thread, but, frankly, - imo not worth it). However, that doesn't mean ep.4 has good characterization, only two very brief sparks of it.
both are still characterisation.
you can have lots of good characterisation, but if it's inconsistent when combined together then it's ultimately self-defeating. This is the problem with Mahouka. It's mostly an AI-like assortment of things that hormonal teenagers tend to respond positively to. As such it honestly feels like there is no "characterisation" in the overall picture.

and the worst part is - would fixing Mahouka's problems make it more or less popular? I'm not quite sure. It's flaws have given it a critical armour of sorts. It's already considered shit so there's no point criticising it. Everyone who watches Mahouka has no illusions that it's as a "guilty pleasure". If it was markedly improved then it would then be seen as actually trying and therefore vulnerable to criticism. (kind of pisses me off because it took an awesome magical science concept and used it for a dumb power fantasy series.)

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While I would agree that each episode informs us on a different facet of the bebop crew's characterisation, strictly speaking there are many episodes that could be removed and have no affect on the plot. Take the Alien spoof, where spike leaves something to rot in the fridge and it evolves into a sentient being that starts picking off the crew. Or the cowboy episode, where some rich guy poses as a real cowboy bounty hunter until he's scared off by the dangers of the bounty hunting profession. Neither episode add anything to the main plot, but you could argue they are essential in informing us of the characters.
While you have correctly identified the main theme of cowboy bebop, the plot is Tarantino esq gangster story. Spike is roaming the galaxy on the Bebop in search of his love, Julia; meanwhile Vicious is scheming mercilessly simply to amuse himself while he waits for a final confrontation between him and Spike.
Most of the episodes add little to the main story, which is why it is somewhat difficult to identify, but this is part of the charm of the show. The absence of main plot adds to the themes of the story.

I was mostly reacting to use of term "filler". After the soul-crushing experience of Naruto fillers, it has became a derogatory term for me :D. But i see you are using it in a far more neutral way - "something that is not relevant to the main plotline".

However, even in that case, there needs to be the main plotline for something to be not relevant to it :D. As you corrently surmise, Bebop kinda lacks a main plotline, which makes the term "filler" unapplicable.
on a technical level, half of Bebop is filler. But Bebop isn't about the story, it's about the themes and characters. Which is why when you consider the character development is the story more than the actual story itself, Bebop has no filler.

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As for narrative, I use the word story interchangeably with the concept you're talking about. I suppose what we both mean in a sense is the experience of the show/media. The "overall package".

To me, a single "media package" can feature more than one story, but can only feature one narrative. For example, every character can have a story. There can be multiple arcs, each having its own story. There is, however, just one narrative.
depends how you define story and narrative. Specifically speaking, a story is a series of events, and a narrative is a series of events with a particular viewpoint.
e.g. a story is "5 people died in shooting" and a narrative is "5 people died in a shooting. This is bad". But in terms of what we're talking about they essentially mean the same thing. You've got the main plot, and you've got sub-plots. Sure you could call each subplot a story if you separate it, but by definition the overall plot is the story, and the same with the narrative. It's just the Narrative is used way less, so when it is used, everyone tends to understand exactly what it means, whereas we use story incorrectly all the time. There is no real correct way to use "story" at this point, as long as we are all on the same page as to which story we are referring to lmao.

on another note, finished Unordinary. Overall the cracks definitely began to show. It's a very heartfelt story but it certainly isn't perfect. The author seems pretty young and inexperienced, and so to me it really just feels encouraging to see someone get out there and tell the story they wanted to tell, regardless of how many different ways it could have been improved (certainly doing better than my story lmao). It was different and somewhat new, and I hope the author continues to grow and improve in both her art and writing talent. Overall I do not think it should ever be adapted to an anime.

as for Mahouka ep 4, I agree there isn't much to talk about. It doesn't have much original content and overall is just a less interesting summary of more events of mainline season 1
Jul 25, 2021 6:01 AM
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Heh finally Miyuki got some more action again on screen. Her jealousy always over the top, i see. But, its not just her magic interference that be so good. Her whole body content also indicated such a good eye refreshing in the middle of these episode. Approved.

I like how bald Ninja-san at last make his appearance again after a while and filling out the gap with the original story, and yes, me saying him a ninja-san is a pretentious attempt. So, yeah, that's the terror school attack arc for you.

Even though that part starter kinda be a little underwhelming, especially with how Saegusa-senpai did her speech considering all that little time she got there. But still, the trio detective girls actually just amusing, especially Shizuku and her comments, which i can forgive all that undetermine matters there....
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It's amusing to see Miyuki worrying so much as to what outfit she wants to wear to impress Tatsuya, but instead, she trips over and Tatsuya discovers her in only her underwear instead. That would be a win in my book! XD

Honoka, Shizuku and Eimi doing their "Girls' Detective Club" mission was cute, but they did get themselves into a bind. Luckily for them, Miyuki came in to save them while acting all hostile at the enemy. Seeing that is always satisfying.

At least the visuals and animation was better than last week, which is a good thing, thankfully.
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Miyuki should wow Tatsuya's heart by wearing no clothes!
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this is many classical writers' biggest gripe with modern writing and honestly speaking I can see exactly what they mean.

but at the same time, Cinema is a such a big deal because it's simply a more engaging form of media. Whether you prefer books or not, you can't ignore the fact that we as humans prefer information that is delivered by multiple forms. Media utilising sound, images, and words is far more effective at communicating information than simply words, sounds, or images alone. This is why your average viewer prefers movies. It's simply more in line with how our brains are designed to absorb information, and so therefore it will remain as the unavoidable reality of media consumption. We can never go back to pre-television (without a world war or two lmao)

Nobody wants to go back to pre-television. The question is - what is it that writing can deliver that visuals cannot and how much demand there is for it.

I personally think writing can deliver a lot of what a realtime visual medium is unable to. However, doing so will require writers to shift their focus from trying to paint a picture with words towards something else.

Admittedly, at this point, i can't explain very well what that something is. I believe it exists somewhere in the gap between a visual novel and its manga/anime adaptation, but at this point i can't clarify further.

I personally don't think so. Especially now that a lot of indie films can get support through Netflix and so forth, it's going to be a lot harder for modern hollywood to keep shovelling out the same crap it usually does. The cinema experience mentality is starting to change. People will only go to cinemas now if it's a movie that absolutely must be seen in that format. Under these changes, I don't think hollywood can keep going as it is. It's already been self-destructing lately, and many other foreign film industries are starting to expand out and pose a serious threat to Hollywood's supremacy. However this is a change that will take a while to manifest. But even if execs change their minds now, it won't actually materialise until 2/3 years down the line.

as for the Anime industry, I'd agree that it's not feeling the deadweight at all. Anime is slowly expanding and becoming more accepted throughout the rest of the world. It's still growing even now. So until it sees the consequences of its current system nothing will change.

I agree that the movie industry can change significantly in 2-3 years, due to economical and technological pressures. It already did so multiple times in my own lifetime.
I do not see how that will significantly affect the writing paradigms, though :( (and i only remember a major change in these paradigms once, following the end of the Cold War). That is, i do not see how any technological or market change in the movie industry can affect the selection pressures it exerts upon the writers. A sit-at-home viewer will still respond best to what most market executives (but also, and probably more importantly, writers themselves) only seem to understand as "stereotypical wish-fulfillment" and "catering to a niche".

We need only to look at japanese industry itself as an example. When it comes to indie writing, it is more or less unrivaled int the world. And yet the commercialization of writing there is strong and is only getting stronger.

both are still characterisation.
you can have lots of good characterisation, but if it's inconsistent when combined together then it's ultimately self-defeating. This is the problem with Mahouka. It's mostly an AI-like assortment of things that hormonal teenagers tend to respond positively to. As such it honestly feels like there is no "characterisation" in the overall picture.

I am a bit lost as to what exactly is being debated in this segment.

You agreed that what i call "moments of characterization" are relevant to characterization in general, but cannot stand on their own without a larger context. You seem to agree that these moments exist in ep.2 of this Mahouka series. You also agree that they ultimately fall flat because there is no larger context in which these moments of characterization can make sense.

If i'm not missing anything, then we are in agreement here.

and the worst part is - would fixing Mahouka's problems make it more or less popular? I'm not quite sure. It's flaws have given it a critical armour of sorts. It's already considered shit so there's no point criticising it. Everyone who watches Mahouka has no illusions that it's as a "guilty pleasure". If it was markedly improved then it would then be seen as actually trying and therefore vulnerable to criticism. (kind of pisses me off because it took an awesome magical science concept and used it for a dumb power fantasy series.)

Of course it would. There is great value in having a work of art transcend from niche appeal to general appeal, and fixing problems is exactly the way to do it. The example that comes to mind most readily is not from anime, but rather from gaming: the Souls series had niche appeal in Demon Souls, but corrected its problems in Dark Souls, and the series has been a genre-defining phenomenon ever since.

The only question here is the process through which you identify the flaws and the proper ways to correct them. The critics are usually correct about the flaws, but they are usually wrong about ways to correct them (in case of Demon Souls, most critics wanted reduced difficulty, which seems hilarious in hindsight). The fans, on another hand, are usually unable to point out the flaws of the work, but if challenged on a way to improve a specific aspect can often provide good ideas on how to do so.

depends how you define story and narrative. Specifically speaking, a story is a series of events, and a narrative is a series of events with a particular viewpoint.
e.g. a story is "5 people died in shooting" and a narrative is "5 people died in a shooting. This is bad". But in terms of what we're talking about they essentially mean the same thing. You've got the main plot, and you've got sub-plots. Sure you could call each subplot a story if you separate it, but by definition the overall plot is the story, and the same with the narrative. It's just the Narrative is used way less, so when it is used, everyone tends to understand exactly what it means, whereas we use story incorrectly all the time. There is no real correct way to use "story" at this point, as long as we are all on the same page as to which story we are referring to lmao.

I mostly define "a sequence of events" as "plot", "a sequence of events from a PoV" as "story" and "the full set of stories" as "narrative".

The notion that narrative depends on PoV is interesting, but it seems to me like it adopts more of a political definition of "narrative", which would still be a "story" in my personal vernacular.

Well, at this point this particular topic seems to have devolved into struggling with semantics. We might be able to get back to it a little bit later, provided the current Mahouka series succeeds in fleshing out the whole "Miyuki is a monster" story and properly center its narrative around it. The chances are slim, but they are not completely nil just yet :D

on another note, finished Unordinary. Overall the cracks definitely began to show. It's a very heartfelt story but it certainly isn't perfect. The author seems pretty young and inexperienced, and so to me it really just feels encouraging to see someone get out there and tell the story they wanted to tell, regardless of how many different ways it could have been improved (certainly doing better than my story lmao). It was different and somewhat new, and I hope the author continues to grow and improve in both her art and writing talent. Overall I do not think it should ever be adapted to an anime.

I would love to see an adaptation of Unordinary handled by the same crew that did Mob Psycho :D

That's unlikely to ever happen, but one can dream.

And yeah, Uru-chan is doing great work and will likely get a lot better in the future.
Jul 26, 2021 2:03 AM
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Nothing too interesting for the plot itself since we already know it but it's still nice to see more of the girls, Miyuki is still cute of course, especially with all the outfits scene... damn she's so much in love xD
Jul 26, 2021 6:27 AM

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More Miyuki fanservice and we got to see her in different outfits which was great. The trouble is slowly getting out of hands and it's finally time for serious action.
Jul 26, 2021 5:38 PM

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always pretty fan service on Miyuki XD She is so pretty, sexy, hot and what you want... Miyuki is a very good Waifu ^^
Jul 30, 2021 9:48 PM
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Oops, watched it out of order because I was catching up, but it doesn't really matter.

Watching the last three episodes, it's been really hard to keep my attention. Will probably watch it all when the season's done.

Feb 4, 2022 2:21 AM

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I finally get to see Eimi in action in this spinoff since she was just a mob/extra character in the first season. She is quite an amusing character to watch.
It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines
and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it,
is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service.
Apr 27, 2022 6:51 AM

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I don't know how canon this spin-off is but now I understand Mibu better.
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Nov 29, 2022 11:18 AM

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It they would keep Tatsuya's appearance to a minimum, this would actually be a decent show.
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Miyuki is so beautiful in whatever clothing she wears. Good fanservice in the end. She's so tappable!
Eimi and the gang would've gotten r*ped in that alleyway if this were hentai. I would love to see Eimi ravaged!

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