Why I do not like Violet

Piromysl said:
Everything was fine and dandy until I found out that they actually got married and their whole relationship was supposedly romantic, not father/daughter or at least older brother/younger sister as it was presented, since Gilbert literally raised her as if she was his daughter.
Age gap is a real turnoff.
At least it happened entirely off screen, so still not as bad as Usagi Drop tho.

tnevss said:

What happened in usagi drop? I’ve only seen the anime and I don’t remember there being anything bad there, are you talking abt the manga?

Piromysl said:
Everything was fine and dandy until I found out that they actually got married and their whole relationship was supposedly romantic, not father/daughter or at least older brother/younger sister as it was presented, since Gilbert literally raised her as if she was his daughter.
Age gap is a real turnoff.
At least it happened entirely off screen, so still not as bad as Usagi Drop tho.

archer__ said:
Yeah the age gap might be a little bit to much for everyone with some morals lmao, your review actually highlights all the things it could improve to be better (don't get me wrong it's already extremely good).

The series changed some things from the light novel, so i would actually recommend you to read as novels tend to reflect better the story than the anime, as producers tend to change things for the sake of being able to show the viewer the full story in a very limited time frame. Do if you ever feel like the anime was lacking or had some loopholes you should read the LN if you likes it, they're usually very good.

As for the rest of the post, you can just say that you had the ideal outcome of the show formed on your head where Violet just ditched all emotions she felt for the *only* person that cares about her (remember she was an orphan from the NORTH, not even from Leiden), so the other soldiers probably saw her as trash from the North as resentment to the invading side is usually HUGE in all out wars (for a real life example how Ucranians feel rn about russians).

Anyways it probably was a only matter of time before she actually got attached to him.
Personally I agree with you here, I would have loved if the had more of a big bro/ sister or father / daughter dynamic but what can you do, without love there is no plot to the story.

So the problem here is I think you completely missed the reason she becomes a doll.
She legit just does it to understand what *I love you* means which where the words that Gilbert told her before just desapearing, like the whole series revolves around her wanting to know what the meaning of love was, that's it, there's not much more into it.

Everyone can have an opinion, I love how the show portrayed violet and the episodes where she goes around writing cards for people are my favourite, if you haven't seen the OVA and the first movie they released you will probably enjoy them a lot as they, imo, where very good (movie is similar to episode 10, nos spoilers dw).

I would love to know what you think about this, I actually enjoy reading what people think about series I personally enjoy, it gives you another point of view that can make you better appreciate the series.

if there are any formatting errors or grammar mistakes I blame phone on it.

SouthRzVa said:
Gilbert deadass saying "I love you" to a 14yo child soldier on his deathbed 💀

Honestly, Gilbert should have stayed dead. Violet Evergarden's main message was always about struggle and overcoming tragedy but the heroine never does such thing. The final scene with Violet backtracking on her decision of finally moving on was so disappointing to see.

SouthRzVa said:
Honestly, Gilbert should have stayed dead. Violet Evergarden's main message was always about struggle and overcoming tragedy but the heroine never does such thing. The final scene with Violet backtracking on her decision of finally moving on was so disappointing to see.

BenchNaldo said:
I aint reading allat

Usual_Vermicelli said:
the story set in the past when age 14 is already considered adult (she already got a real job), I won't considered Gilbert creepy to love Violet. because they both are adults.

I don't want to argue whether people think it fits with "today's society" or not, just because of they're self entitlement.

So I don't really like the Movie, it's very cliche. But it give a good of resolution for the series. After the journey Violet's had, she began to understand what feeling is. And after acquiring feelings, she understand the heartbroke she has of missing Gilbert, the man she loves. The story could end there, it's already good.

The Movie just give her better ending, when she could live happy with the man she loves, "she already gone through so much, why don't make her happy? "

Aldidaz said:
I'm not reading all this

I'm sorry for your loss
Or
I'm happy for you

an1sXD said:

don't worry you didn't miss anything he's just talking about how good is the show+ he hated violet evergarden because she married and old man it's stupid argument about age gap 👺

supransh said:
are you one of those age is just a number guys??? The movie depicts a 29 year old fully grown man, going through the process of falling in romantic love with someone who was less than 14 (he confessed when she was 14), and I will re-iterate this, it was not like she was emotionally mature, mentally she was like 10 or something. Like what kind of a sick fuck would fall in love with a literal kid like that?

SouthRzVa said:
Gilbert deadass saying "I love you" to a 14yo child soldier on his deathbed 💀

Honestly, Gilbert should have stayed dead. Violet Evergarden's main message was always about struggle and overcoming tragedy but the heroine never does such thing. The final scene with Violet backtracking on her decision of finally moving on was so disappointing to see.

an1sXD said:

define what is an adult and not the Internet definition

supransh said:
This is a futile argument I see.

an1sXD said:

says the guy who can't define what is an adult you're 🤡

supransh said:

An adult is something which you are not.

Usual_Vermicelli said:
the story set in the past when age 14 is already considered adult (she already got a real job), I won't considered Gilbert creepy to love Violet. because they both are adults.

I don't want to argue whether people think it fits with "today's society" or not, just because of they're self entitlement.

So I don't really like the Movie, it's very cliche. But it give a good of resolution for the series. After the journey Violet's had, she began to understand what feeling is. And after acquiring feelings, she understand the heartbroke she has of missing Gilbert, the man she loves. The story could end there, it's already good.

The Movie just give her better ending, when she could live happy with the man she loves, "she already gone through so much, why don't make her happy? "

Windrider7 said:

Legal Minimum ages were 12 for women and 14 for men. However people were only considered adults from the age of 21, and marrying earlier than that required the consent of the parents.

Wikipedia article about marriage ages:

„In most of Northwestern Europe, marriages at very early ages were rare. One thousand marriage certificates from 1619 to 1660 in the Archdiocese of Canterbury show that only one bride was 13 years old, four were 15, twelve were 16, and seventeen were 17 years old; while the other 966 brides were at least 19 years old.“

Avarage ages were 24 years for women and 27 years for men.

Furthermore marriages back then were rarely for romantik reasons and more like business transactions, so if you care about realism you should consider this too.

All in all „technically legal“ does not mean normal or morally correct.

Personally I loved the series, but for me it was more about understanding love, finding it in other people and dealing with the loss of the mayor. So I hoped she would accept it and maybe fall in love with someone else, for example the boy from the observatory. So I was confused from the ending of the series and disappointed by the movie.

TEOKXNG said:
I’m not reading all that violet is amazing that’s all I gotta say

Usual_Vermicelli said:

who's talking about marriage? you smart enough to read Wikipedia, you sure smart enough to understand what I wrote.

It's not "technically legal" to have relationship with 14 years old in the series setting. it is legal.

did Violet ever show a hint of attachment to other people despite her Major, or were other people just bypassers in her journey, the answer is the latter. I don't recall any scenes which explicitly showed Violet missing any of her friends at CH Postal, or making gestures that hint towards attachment. She is kind and empathetic but also distant.

supransh said:
I went through an emotional rollercoaster with Violet Evergarden, frankly to give credit where its due, the visuals and some side-stories were really really good. However, after having seen the film and gone through the franchise as a whole (ignoring the LN here, as I have not read it), I do not like Violet, and her plotline with Gilbert, they leave a sour taste in my mouth, both of them. Spoiler warning for the movie obviously but also a bit of the epilogue LN.

Let's start with Gilbert first, (There will be a spoiler here for the Epilogue LN, I will mark it) I frankly think Gilbert is a shit and creepy character, firstly let's begin with him using a 14yo kid as a war machine, he seems to blame himself for using her as a killing tool, now it has not been explained but if he had the power to not use her as a killing tool and just let her be, then there's no excuses, but I'm under the impression that he had no choice but to use her as a tool. Now he seems to understand the unhealthy relationship between him and Violet and it makes sense to distance yourself from a person after that, I say distance, not DISAPPEAR, ghosting a person who relied on you solely for a purpose in life, is not a healthy way of dealing with things at all, it makes it harder for her, this is what I would call pussying out. But well, but I guess it's better than being a selfish prick and taking emotional advantage of that poor stockholm syndrome afflicted teen. WELL GUESS WHAT HE ENDS UP DOING ANYWAY. 
I don't even want to talk about how freaking creepy it is for a 29 year old to fall in love and confess to a 14 year old (15 year age gap), and before anyone tells me it made sense in that time, no it does not, if you are a mentally sane mature 29 year old guy, you should not 'fall in love' with a small 14 year old girl, it does not matter if it's today or 200 years ago. Not to mention, she is literally even less mature than a 14 year old, emotionally she might be like 8. How the actual fuck does a sane human being fall in romantic love with a person like that, please explain? I originally thought it was familial love, like that of a parent and child, but NOPE 

Now, coming to Violet, my dislike of Violet isn't based on her actions, but rather how the writer has decided to write her, she is plagued by grief and confusion, the person whom she 'loved' seemingly died in front of her eyes and left her with words she did not understand. Throughout the series Violet seemed to grow out of the persona of being a loyal soldier and grow into someone with genuine kindness, she seems to be someone who is committed towards her duties, empathetic and does not hesitate to go out of her way to fulfill her clients' wishes. Except one issue, it seems that her 'motivation', 'love', call it whatever you may, I prefer the word 'obsession', does seem to go away or even reduce. I hoped that Violet would outgrow her obsession for the major, and commit to her duties as an auto-memoir doll and the people around her. I was quite angry with how she threw away everything she knew, and everyone who loved her, just to live on some island with a creepy middle aged dude. But when I did an analysis of the show again, I realized that the character of Violet was set up in such a way that she would throw away everything, if you think about it, we get very little character development from Violet, which sounds wrong at first, but if you think about it, what is character development, a change in someone's character, while it could be argued that her understanding emotions is kind of a development, how much actual impact has it had on the way she treats and acts with other people? For example, Dietfried grew and started to treat Violet and other people differently as the series progressed. When people write letters or imagine monologues or say something in front of people's graves in works of fiction, it is usually as a way of getting over things and moving on. Violet just fed on her obsession, she was not getting over it. It makes me question, did Violet ever show a hint of attachment to other people despite her Major, or were other people just bypassers in her journey, the answer is the latter. I don't recall any scenes which explicitly showed Violet missing any of her friends at CH Postal, or making gestures that hint towards attachment. She is kind and empathetic but also distant.

Perhaps Violet needed more time to get over her obsession, but unfortunately that was never granted. So, Violet gives into her obsession and stays with the major, she does not know what love means, let alone romantic love, she is a kid who does not even understand attachment. She is attached to Gilbert like a child who knows nothing of this world except their own parent.

That is why I do not like Violet, Gilbert and their relationship. I hope this could be better dealt with in the LN, please do tell me if it is, but I still believe that no amount of good story telling will convince me of this ridiculous end where a barely 18 yo girl decides to spend the rest of her life with some 35 yo on an island, and them sharing mutual true love somehow.

Crystal_Scs said:
She's actually the only female character who's well written so please leave her alone 🙄😮‍💨

Crystal_Scs said:
She's actually the only female character who's well written so please leave her alone 🙄😮‍💨

Monkey_D_Uzumaki said:

Tldr: Gilbert and violets relationship is unhealthy and damages both of their characters. Their relationship was recontextualized from father daughter to lovers. Which is creepy given their at least 10 year age gap.

samsince04 said:
lol, how does Violet get little character development? With every letter, Violet learns for the first time what other people feel and want, and in turn, she realizes her own humanity. She develops from this emotionally stunted child soldier she once was because she begins to assert herself and her desires rather than obey commands.

Idk what you're looking for in terms of attachment or why that's even necessary for Violet's character. An argument can be made that she got attached to her clients(not in an unhealthy way) by basically just relating to them which helped her to get ever closer to the meaning of love but also unknowingly help her clients in cherishing themselves and rediscovering their own love for others.

The more important question to me is..... Was Violet able to form meaningful connections with the people she met and or worked with as well as the numerous clients who aided in helping her to understand what she was searching for? the answer is a resounding yes for me.

supransh said:
Now he seems to understand the unhealthy relationship between him and Violet and it makes sense to distance yourself from a person after that, I say distance, not DISAPPEAR, ghosting a person who relied on you solely for a purpose in life, is not a healthy way of dealing with things at all, it makes it harder for her, this is what I would call pussying out. But well, but I guess it's better than being a selfish prick and taking emotional advantage of that poor stockholm syndrome afflicted teen. WELL GUESS WHAT HE ENDS UP DOING ANYWAY. 

supransh said:
I don't even want to talk about how freaking creepy it is for a 29 year old to fall in love and confess to a 14 year old (15 year age gap)

supransh said:
I went through an emotional rollercoaster with Violet Evergarden, frankly to give credit where its due, the visuals and some side-stories were really really good. However, after having seen the film and gone through the franchise as a whole (ignoring the LN here, as I have not read it), I do not like Violet, and her plotline with Gilbert, they leave a sour taste in my mouth, both of them. Spoiler warning for the movie obviously but also a bit of the epilogue LN.

Let's start with Gilbert first, (There will be a spoiler here for the Epilogue LN, I will mark it) I frankly think Gilbert is a shit and creepy character, firstly let's begin with him using a 14yo kid as a war machine, he seems to blame himself for using her as a killing tool, now it has not been explained but if he had the power to not use her as a killing tool and just let her be, then there's no excuses, but I'm under the impression that he had no choice but to use her as a tool. Now he seems to understand the unhealthy relationship between him and Violet and it makes sense to distance yourself from a person after that, I say distance, not DISAPPEAR, ghosting a person who relied on you solely for a purpose in life, is not a healthy way of dealing with things at all, it makes it harder for her, this is what I would call pussying out. But well, but I guess it's better than being a selfish prick and taking emotional advantage of that poor stockholm syndrome afflicted teen. WELL GUESS WHAT HE ENDS UP DOING ANYWAY. 
I don't even want to talk about how freaking creepy it is for a 29 year old to fall in love and confess to a 14 year old (15 year age gap), and before anyone tells me it made sense in that time, no it does not, if you are a mentally sane mature 29 year old guy, you should not 'fall in love' with a small 14 year old girl, it does not matter if it's today or 200 years ago. Not to mention, she is literally even less mature than a 14 year old, emotionally she might be like 8. How the actual fuck does a sane human being fall in romantic love with a person like that, please explain? I originally thought it was familial love, like that of a parent and child, but NOPE 

Now, coming to Violet, my dislike of Violet isn't based on her actions, but rather how the writer has decided to write her, she is plagued by grief and confusion, the person whom she 'loved' seemingly died in front of her eyes and left her with words she did not understand. Throughout the series Violet seemed to grow out of the persona of being a loyal soldier and grow into someone with genuine kindness, she seems to be someone who is committed towards her duties, empathetic and does not hesitate to go out of her way to fulfill her clients' wishes. Except one issue, it seems that her 'motivation', 'love', call it whatever you may, I prefer the word 'obsession', does seem to go away or even reduce. I hoped that Violet would outgrow her obsession for the major, and commit to her duties as an auto-memoir doll and the people around her. I was quite angry with how she threw away everything she knew, and everyone who loved her, just to live on some island with a creepy middle aged dude. But when I did an analysis of the show again, I realized that the character of Violet was set up in such a way that she would throw away everything, if you think about it, we get very little character development from Violet, which sounds wrong at first, but if you think about it, what is character development, a change in someone's character, while it could be argued that her understanding emotions is kind of a development, how much actual impact has it had on the way she treats and acts with other people? For example, Dietfried grew and started to treat Violet and other people differently as the series progressed. When people write letters or imagine monologues or say something in front of people's graves in works of fiction, it is usually as a way of getting over things and moving on. Violet just fed on her obsession, she was not getting over it. It makes me question, did Violet ever show a hint of attachment to other people despite her Major, or were other people just bypassers in her journey, the answer is the latter. I don't recall any scenes which explicitly showed Violet missing any of her friends at CH Postal, or making gestures that hint towards attachment. She is kind and empathetic but also distant.

Perhaps Violet needed more time to get over her obsession, but unfortunately that was never granted. So, Violet gives into her obsession and stays with the major, she does not know what love means, let alone romantic love, she is a kid who does not even understand attachment. She is attached to Gilbert like a child who knows nothing of this world except their own parent.

That is why I do not like Violet, Gilbert and their relationship. I hope this could be better dealt with in the LN, please do tell me if it is, but I still believe that no amount of good story telling will convince me of this ridiculous end where a barely 18 yo girl decides to spend the rest of her life with some 35 yo on an island, and them sharing mutual true love somehow.