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Marknnz said: Incredibly late, most of the adaptations you mention are not bad but ill agree that God of highschool wasn't a good adaptation, just because you disliked an anime doesn't make it a bad adaptation, I see what is going on you are someone that dislikes any use of CG so it doesn't matter to you if is necessary or if is good CG you see CG and immediately write to off as a bad adaptation with "lame CGI", btw I want to point out that a lot of the alleged CG is actually a technique called rotoscoping being confused with CG.it seems that you don't seem to understand how the animation industry works, even if it had only one ending that probably wouldn't have caused the anime to have better animation and they would had probably still used CG because the cost and time to animate the moving chainsaw is not equivalent to the cost and time it took to animate the endings, also more money doesn't mean better animation there is more important things than more money that make good animation, Also I don't understand how Bocchi The Rock being good and popular makes CSM a bad adaptation, in my opinion, they both are great adaptations that play on the strength of the medium of animation in completely different ways and that's wonderful, but oh well I guess this is something you would never be able to understand because the only thing you understand is "cgi=lame , no cgi=good". btw what do you mean by "Art isn't animation"? wtf that doesn't make any sense, thx.OniNori said: Late answer but, nah I'm not, attack on titan after season 3 from wit is dogshit, not bc the source is disappointing at the end, God of highschool, the lame cgi at fights in CSM, and a lot more, the only good adaptation they did is Jujutsu Kaisen. Even if you try to defend CSM, instead of me trying to argue that i will just say that Bocchi The Rock had more popularity/rating/impact than this "colossal" source that is CSM, if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode.. Btw Art isn't animation so don't try to argue that too, thx.And what exactly are these lots of destroyed original sources on their adaptation? because I don't remember the last time that Mappa made a bad adaptation. Seems like you are just hating for the sake of hating. |
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Marknnz said: Late answer but, nah I'm not, attack on titan after season 3 from wit is dogshit, not bc the source is disappointing at the end, God of highschool, the lame cgi at fights in CSM, and a lot more, the only good adaptation they did is Jujutsu Kaisen. Even if you try to defend CSM, instead of me trying to argue that i will just say that Bocchi The Rock had more popularity/rating/impact than this "colossal" source that is CSM, if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode.. Btw Art isn't animation so don't try to argue that too, thx. Actually, most of those "lame CGI fights" you talk about are hand drawn, they used CG mostly for the close-ups of the chainsaws: skip to minute 6 in this one: |
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shedlain said: Your English is pretty good tbh you explained way better than me, where did you got those key animations btw? I looked them up but couldn't find themSorry for my broken English. Pitto_ said: Only the background was in CGI.The episode were they animated in CGI the drunk routine of that b*tch who tried to fuck Denji was annoying, unnecessary and just weird because it was most CGI. Pitto_ said: It's not because of the use of CGI. It's just that the Chainsaw action direction is different from the standard one. The action in anime such as Jujutsu and Kimetsu is standard, fast, and exaggerated. Chainsaw is the complete opposite. It's heavy, slow, and realistic. Also the fights weren't that action packed Pitto_ said: https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/b72e66520bc736b9409f2470ed50ed58.mp4and the fact they didn't even bothered to go for a drawing animations but always sticked to CGI for Denji was disappointing. https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/294f15f815aa25dea5110c0b8a086889.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/af555c4d78339e28d0221713ecf2d75f.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/7ffaba7fdf28935b86e2f048e33a0820.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/fbc8ddfaff76e8aab06aa401e1aeaa2f.mp4 Pitto_ said: There is. Only these studios' anime hardly has the same large amount of animation in everyday life and high-quality character play as in Chainsaw Man.There are studios out there which animated way more difficult characters than the Chainsaw Devil, so no, the fact it's "hard to animate" it's not an excuse. Pitto_ said: Mappa is a rich studio. She has a little more than three hundred employees and five or six offices. Her animation producers have great connections among freelancers. They can afford to produce a large number of anime. Maybe MAPPA should try to do less but better, rather than doing every fricking anime out there in the shortest amount of time ever immaginable Pitto_ said: Do people again recall that isolated incident with the first part of the fourth season of Shingeki no Kyojin and project it to the entire studio? That's just the opposite of reality. Mappa is one of the few studios that respects its employees at least a little.ruins their employees lives and pretend good works from humans beings. Pitto_ said: In everyday scenes, cgi was only used for backgrounds, environments, and character layouts, with 2d drawn on top. https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/be12756a1ea1e08d0c86b5581469c051.mp4many of the slice of life scenes looked fricking uncanny because they mixed rotoscoping, CGI and drawings. Rotoscoping was used only two or three times. Animator Kouki Fujimoto was responsible for most of the scenes of everyday life. By calling his work rotoscoping, you very much belittle the merits of such a wonderful animator. |
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OniNoriMar 24, 2023 6:15 PM
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Marknnz said: It's funny that you cited Bones Studio as an example of a studio that is better than Mappa. Considering that both studios primarily rely on freelancers. That is, if you look at the anime staff that these studios produce, you can quite often meet the same names.Bones So to claim that Bones Studio or conditional David Production is better than Mappa has no wash away. The best animators and directors wander from one studio to another. RejectedApples said: Cgi-Rendering ist gut, it has good textures and detail, no compression issues and almost no fps issues. It also has very good strokes to give speed and naturalness to the model. его CGI ниже среднего, но, учитывая его отображение, его следует считать ужасным. это тот тип cgi, который вы ожидаете от студии уровня c, а не от одной из крупнейших Also in the second season, we should expect an improvement in CGI. Because the head of the studio Mappa Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in this regard. He actively invests in the CGI department of the studio, and recruitment goes there almost all year round. OniNori said: In fact, you can ignore this person. His words are almost worthless, because he himself does not understand what he is saying. I'm just disproving your misinformation but oh well think whatever you want to think. Marknnz said: if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode.. 1. Budget is the last thing that affects the quality of anime. First of all, the role is played by the staff and the time allocated to them. If you give a lot of money to bad staff, they will not learn how to make anime (Ex-Arm) from this. If you give money to a good staff, but do not give time, nothing good will come of it either (Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4). 2. Chainsaw Man is not just a manga adaptation. This is a project for the future. The future is for Ryuu Nakayama as the main director and animators of newcomers, who mostly animated the endings. At that time, such veterans of the anime industry as Tatsuya Yoshihara, Hasegawa Hitomi, Kurosaki Hayato were working on the anime itself. 3.3. Even if Chainsaw Man had one ending, CGI would not have disappeared anywhere, because they originally planned to combine 2D and 3D. It was a conscious decision because it suited the direction they chose to adapt and develop CGI itself. And all those shortcomings of CGI and errors in 2D animation arise due to the very large ambitions of the staff, Nakayama's inexperience in directing a project of this level and the weak participation of animation producer Keisuke Seshimo. But not because of the 11 animated endings. |
shedlain said: Enjoy your future project for the future, i will keep enjoying the present when Demon slayer release. Surely the freelancers are directing the animation and everything else too right, they don't have a director or producer that mess things up, they ran the production by themselves. Funny how CSM defenders are just clowns that keep themselves inside a bubble of promises and delusional thoughts. CSM won't change anything and you want to know why? Because it's far below the actual top tier adaptation/production. And of course the 11 endings have a thing to do it, when you waste time with something that isn't the true purpose you can't really see/Manage all the things in time even you are experienced enough, the work just piles up. But keep it up, i just love all the: second season will be.. in the future will be... The source gets better next arc. It's just too fun.Marknnz said: It's funny that you cited Bones Studio as an example of a studio that is better than Mappa. Considering that both studios primarily rely on freelancers. That is, if you look at the anime staff that these studios produce, you can quite often meet the same names.Bones So to claim that Bones Studio or conditional David Production is better than Mappa has no wash away. The best animators and directors wander from one studio to another. RejectedApples said: Cgi-Rendering ist gut, it has good textures and detail, no compression issues and almost no fps issues. It also has very good strokes to give speed and naturalness to the model. его CGI ниже среднего, но, учитывая его отображение, его следует считать ужасным. это тот тип cgi, который вы ожидаете от студии уровня c, а не от одной из крупнейших Also in the second season, we should expect an improvement in CGI. Because the head of the studio Mappa Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in this regard. He actively invests in the CGI department of the studio, and recruitment goes there almost all year round. OniNori said: In fact, you can ignore this person. His words are almost worthless, because he himself does not understand what he is saying. I'm just disproving your misinformation but oh well think whatever you want to think. Marknnz said: if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode.. 1. Budget is the last thing that affects the quality of anime. First of all, the role is played by the staff and the time allocated to them. If you give a lot of money to bad staff, they will not learn how to make anime (Ex-Arm) from this. If you give money to a good staff, but do not give time, nothing good will come of it either (Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4). 2. Chainsaw Man is not just a manga adaptation. This is a project for the future. The future is for Ryuu Nakayama as the main director and animators of newcomers, who mostly animated the endings. At that time, such veterans of the anime industry as Tatsuya Yoshihara, Hasegawa Hitomi, Kurosaki Hayato were working on the anime itself. 3.3. Even if Chainsaw Man had one ending, CGI would not have disappeared anywhere, because they originally planned to combine 2D and 3D. It was a conscious decision because it suited the direction they chose to adapt and develop CGI itself. And all those shortcomings of CGI and errors in 2D animation arise due to the very large ambitions of the staff, Nakayama's inexperience in directing a project of this level and the weak participation of animation producer Keisuke Seshimo. But not because of the 11 animated endings. |
MarknnzMar 25, 2023 6:41 AM
shedlain said: You might know better about the production of CSM or Mappa, but i do know better when something is good or it's just bad/meh/nothing new/nothing with real impact/lazy. I never hate or never hype after or before the airing animes, and i did see a LOT of different things in all this years, i always encourage people to watch something that is really remarkable, unfortunately csm is just forgettable af. Solid 7/10 for sure but 7/10 is the limbo of animes, all the generic stuff is there.Marknnz said: It's funny that you cited Bones Studio as an example of a studio that is better than Mappa. Considering that both studios primarily rely on freelancers. That is, if you look at the anime staff that these studios produce, you can quite often meet the same names.Bones So to claim that Bones Studio or conditional David Production is better than Mappa has no wash away. The best animators and directors wander from one studio to another. RejectedApples said: Cgi-Rendering ist gut, it has good textures and detail, no compression issues and almost no fps issues. It also has very good strokes to give speed and naturalness to the model. его CGI ниже среднего, но, учитывая его отображение, его следует считать ужасным. это тот тип cgi, который вы ожидаете от студии уровня c, а не от одной из крупнейших Also in the second season, we should expect an improvement in CGI. Because the head of the studio Mappa Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in this regard. He actively invests in the CGI department of the studio, and recruitment goes there almost all year round. OniNori said: In fact, you can ignore this person. His words are almost worthless, because he himself does not understand what he is saying. I'm just disproving your misinformation but oh well think whatever you want to think. Marknnz said: if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode.. 1. Budget is the last thing that affects the quality of anime. First of all, the role is played by the staff and the time allocated to them. If you give a lot of money to bad staff, they will not learn how to make anime (Ex-Arm) from this. If you give money to a good staff, but do not give time, nothing good will come of it either (Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4). 2. Chainsaw Man is not just a manga adaptation. This is a project for the future. The future is for Ryuu Nakayama as the main director and animators of newcomers, who mostly animated the endings. At that time, such veterans of the anime industry as Tatsuya Yoshihara, Hasegawa Hitomi, Kurosaki Hayato were working on the anime itself. 3.3. Even if Chainsaw Man had one ending, CGI would not have disappeared anywhere, because they originally planned to combine 2D and 3D. It was a conscious decision because it suited the direction they chose to adapt and develop CGI itself. And all those shortcomings of CGI and errors in 2D animation arise due to the very large ambitions of the staff, Nakayama's inexperience in directing a project of this level and the weak participation of animation producer Keisuke Seshimo. But not because of the 11 animated endings. |
Marknnz said: Keep defending garbage, meanwhile I'm fine with KyoAni, ufotable and Bones, peace. I'm not defending anything I'm just disproving your misinformation but oh well think whatever you want to think. I also enjoy anime from those studios too, however, I want to point out that those studios also use CG specially Ufotable, but oh well keep being close-minded and limiting the things you can enjoy, and keep calling things trash for no reason, it's your loss. peace |
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Marknnz said: 1. I walked around my room for half an hour and thought how to answer you. I didn't think of it. Because your canvas of text looks more like an incoherent and confused set of thoughts than a meaningful answer. Learn how to formulate thoughts and structure text.shedlain said: You might know better about the production of CSM or Mappa, but i do know better when something is good or it's just bad/meh/nothing new/nothing with real impact/lazy. I never hate or never hype after or before the airing animes, and i did see a LOT of different things in all this years, i always encourage people to watch something that is really remarkable, unfortunately csm is just forgettable af. Solid 7/10 for sure but 7/10 is the limbo of animes, all the generic stuff is there.It's funny that you cited Bones Studio as an example of a studio that is better than Mappa. Considering that both studios primarily rely on freelancers. That is, if you look at the anime staff that these studios produce, you can quite often meet the same names. So to claim that Bones Studio or conditional David Production is better than Mappa has no wash away. The best animators and directors wander from one studio to another. Cgi-Rendering ist gut, it has good textures and detail, no compression issues and almost no fps issues. It also has very good strokes to give speed and naturalness to the model. Also in the second season, we should expect an improvement in CGI. Because the head of the studio Mappa Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in this regard. He actively invests in the CGI department of the studio, and recruitment goes there almost all year round. In fact, you can ignore this person. His words are almost worthless, because he himself does not understand what he is saying. 1. Budget is the last thing that affects the quality of anime. First of all, the role is played by the staff and the time allocated to them. If you give a lot of money to bad staff, they will not learn how to make anime (Ex-Arm) from this. If you give money to a good staff, but do not give time, nothing good will come of it either (Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4). 2. Chainsaw Man is not just a manga adaptation. This is a project for the future. The future is for Ryuu Nakayama as the main director and animators of newcomers, who mostly animated the endings. At that time, such veterans of the anime industry as Tatsuya Yoshihara, Hasegawa Hitomi, Kurosaki Hayato were working on the anime itself. 3.3. Even if Chainsaw Man had one ending, CGI would not have disappeared anywhere, because they originally planned to combine 2D and 3D. It was a conscious decision because it suited the direction they chose to adapt and develop CGI itself. And all those shortcomings of CGI and errors in 2D animation arise due to the very large ambitions of the staff, Nakayama's inexperience in directing a project of this level and the weak participation of animation producer Keisuke Seshimo. But not because of the 11 animated endings. 2. The second follows from the first. Your set of letters and words is banally uninteresting to read, these canvases do not carry any value. The absence of any argumentation and reasoned thoughts. Adapting to a solid 7/10, why not 6/10 or 8/10? Why is CSM not a top-level adaptation (although I myself know why)? What then is the highest level of adaptation (I wouldn't be surprised if it's Demon Slayer LMAO)? Unclear. 3. As I wrote above, you don't understand what you're writing about. You didn't like the anime for some reason of your own, and now you put your opinion as truly true and objective. As I wrote above, it's not interesting with you. You're boring. I think I'll use my own advice: shedlain said: In fact, you can ignore this person. His words are almost worthless, because he himself does not understand what he is saying. |
shedlain said: Poor guy, watched like 10 animes so its hard to understand huh, its simple, CSM is a 7/10 7/10 is the generic animes with generic plot/production that 10days after finishing airing you already forgot, 6/10 it's the same but with less production, 8/10 are the good/really good ones with good history/pace/production/sound/acting/animation etc. The ones like Stein's gate, Stein's gate is a 8 or 9/10, CSM don't come close to this. Top tier adaptation is in fact Re:Zero, and Demon Slayer of course, not because its popular or only beautiful, its because they made better than the original. You just might walk another half hour or decades while watching anime, then you will realize how meh CSM anime is. The all "incoherent" thing is just your excuses since everybody that do understand about it and isn't trying to please dumb ppl to get money say the same. It's funny tho how you say that I'm boring while people that are really engaged with anime stuff say otherwise, its rare unfortunately to find people that aren't dumb like you, people that DON'T USE THEIR OPINION AS ARGUMENT. Because that's you, not me, there's nothing good that i dislike, i only dislike bad/forgettable thing, the things with 0 impact. So this is my turn to say: You are boring, your little knowledge about anime is "boring" your praising about the future CSM is just boring. You are coherent, and not confused, the unfortunately part is that your opinion isn't a fact and its bad aswell, you can list almost all animes on MAL that are 8/10 and i can say why they are there and why they are better and why CSM is a 7/10 too. But you only can talk about your little bubble of CSM :/ LMAO YUP, what i said, placed Demon Slayer and Kiseijuu on the same place of Chinese anime, and Yagate yuri anime 9/10. Just get the f*ck out here with your "coherent" dumb opinion based of taste of animeMarknnz said: 1. I walked around my room for half an hour and thought how to answer you. I didn't think of it. Because your canvas of text looks more like an incoherent and confused set of thoughts than a meaningful answer. Learn how to formulate thoughts and structure text.You might know better about the production of CSM or Mappa, but i do know better when something is good or it's just bad/meh/nothing new/nothing with real impact/lazy. I never hate or never hype after or before the airing animes, and i did see a LOT of different things in all this years, i always encourage people to watch something that is really remarkable, unfortunately csm is just forgettable af. Solid 7/10 for sure but 7/10 is the limbo of animes, all the generic stuff is there. 2. The second follows from the first. Your set of letters and words is banally uninteresting to read, these canvases do not carry any value. The absence of any argumentation and reasoned thoughts. Adapting to a solid 7/10, why not 6/10 or 8/10? Why is CSM not a top-level adaptation (although I myself know why)? What then is the highest level of adaptation (I wouldn't be surprised if it's Demon Slayer LMAO)? Unclear. 3. As I wrote above, you don't understand what you're writing about. You didn't like the anime for some reason of your own, and now you put your opinion as truly true and objective. As I wrote above, it's not interesting with you. You're boring. I think I'll use my own advice: shedlain said: In fact, you can ignore this person. His words are almost worthless, because he himself does not understand what he is saying. |
MarknnzMar 26, 2023 10:54 PM
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Marknnz said: Poor guy, watched like 10 animes so its hard to understand huh, its simple, CSM is a 7/10 7/10 is the generic animes with generic plot/production that 10days after finishing airing you already forgot, 6/10 it's the same but with less production, 8/10 are the good/really good ones with good history/pace/production/sound/acting/animation etc. The ones like Stein's gate, Stein's gate is a 8 or 9/10, CSM don't come close to this. Top tier adaptation is in fact Re:Zero, and Demon Slayer of course, not because its popular or only beautiful, its because they made better than the original. You just might walk another half hour or decades while watching anime, then you will realize how meh CSM anime is. The all "incoherent" thing is just your excuses since everybody that do understand about it and isn't trying to please dumb ppl to get money say the same. It's funny tho how you say that I'm boring while people that are really engaged with anime stuff say otherwise, its rare unfortunately to find people that aren't dumb like you, people that DON'T USE THEIR OPINION AS ARGUMENT. Because that's you, not me, there's nothing good that i dislike, i only dislike bad/forgettable thing, the things with 0 impact. So this is my turn to say: You are boring, your little knowledge about anime is "boring" your praising about the future CSM is just boring. You are coherent, and not confused, the unfortunately part is that your opinion isn't a fact and its bad aswell, you can list almost all animes on MAL that are 8/10 and i can say why they are there and why they are better and why CSM is a 7/10 too. But you only can talk about your little bubble of CSM :/ LMAO YUP, what i said, placed Demon Slayer and Kiseijuu on the same place of Chinese anime, and Yagate yuri anime 9/10. Just get the f*ck out here with your "coherent" dumb opinion based of taste of anime  The gif that I threw off by 101% shows how you looked and felt while writing your next canvas of text. How do I know that? Because you started using really brilliant arguments from the category: 1. The number of anime viewed. From the category: "listen here, boy, I've watched a lot of anime, unlike you, rookie, so I understand, but you don't, understand?" Marknnz said: You are a person who didn't really watch a decent amount of animes. Marknnz said: Poor guy, watched like 10 animes so its hard to understand huh, its simple Marknnz said: As if the number of views is something you can be proud of and use in disputes as an argument. You just might walk another half hour or decades while watching anime, then you will realize how meh CSM anime is 2. To give an example of some left-wing acquaintances and pseudo anime experts, thereby trying to prove: "I'm not boring, I have friends.“ This is a very strong act that deserves respect (no). 3. Throwing arrows: "Are you calling me boring? Me? No, you're boring. Your life is boring but I'm interesting, I have friends who communicate with me." It's pretty funny. 4. To climb into other people's profiles and see what ratings I have given to which anime. "1 Rule of the anime sraches: presented to his opponent for giving some anime a score of X, thereby showing his superiority and indicating to the opponent where his place is and that his opinion is worthless." 5. Last in the list, but not by value. Offend and get personal: Marknnz said: Funny how CSM defenders are just clowns Marknnz said: Do I need to explain something here? Since mom has not taught you to communicate adequately, your opinion is reduced to zero.its rare unfortunately to find people that aren't dumb like you It seems that calling you boring hit the bull's-eye. Perhaps I have touched some kind of psychological trauma? If so, I'm very sorry. I'll give you a tip, instead of watching 1000 Anime und sitzen auf Anime-forum, go to a psychologist. I'm worried about you. LMAO. Marknnz said: I've read my own posts, but I haven't found any praise for the future of Csm. The only thing I noted is that we should expect an improvement in CGI. This is an assumption, not a statement. These are different things, if you didn't know. your praising about the future CSM is just boring. And I have at least two factors that allow me to assume an improvement in season 2: 1. As I wrote above, Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in using CGI. He sees a lot of opportunities in it, so he is actively developing the studio's CGI-Department. 2. Manabu Ootsuka is dissatisfied with the result given by Ryuu Nakayama. Because the final quality of the anime does not correspond to the allocated funds (money, a reformed office for Nakayama, a staff of professional animators). And it's true, if CSM had a more experienced director, the anime could have looked noticeably better. Therefore, we should expect a change in the vision of the adaptation and stricter supervision of the animation producer Seshimo over Nakayama. We already have an indirect, but excellent example in the form of Jujutsu Kaisen. Season 1 has a bunch of problems: terrible compositing, terrible CGI backgrounds with bad textures, poor visual digital effects, weak art direction, unnecessarily complicated character design and generally weak visual aesthetics. And judging by the trailer, which is not specially animated, but consists of anime frames, Then in season 2, all these problems are solved. Marknnz said: It's a pity that Demon Slayer doesn't have all this.8/10 are the good/really good ones with good history/acting/animation Marknnz said: That's the only reason.Demon Slayer of course, not because its popular or only beautiful The Demon Slayer doesn't have excellent animation, as many say. It's just high-quality, but it's not enough. It is also quite small. Many of the episodes are quite limited. Most of the anime is a slideshow and just talking heads with limited mouth animation. Character Acting is practically absent. The action choreography is mediocre (in fairness, Csm also has weak choreography) The characters often stand still (look at the real hand-to-hand fighting and fencing there are constantly moving) just waving arms in different directions. Also, do not forget about the weakest link of the adaptation directed by Haruo Sotozaki. He doesn't have his own vision of the project, which makes the anime look standard. His storyboards are as simple as possible and without ideas. Anime just licks manga frames exactly, and no, this is not a sign of a good adaptation, because there are things that don't work in anime or manga. For example, there are tons of monologues that violate one of the rules: show, don't tell (this also slows down the pace of the action). But despite all this, I put 7 out of 10. Why? Well, it's still a high-quality job: excellent compositing, good CGI backgrounds, the use of a dynamic camera, combining 2D and 3D, excellent drawing style and character design, and in general, good visual aesthetics. And even though I didn't speak the best about animation before, when it appears, albeit rarely, it is done qualitatively, and the action, thanks to it (apart from bad choreography and constant monologues), entertains. Well, the visual effects of the studio are good (although sometimes they overdo it with digital ones). In general, a great attraction for 7 out of 10. Quite reasonably. Marknnz said: Even if my little knowledge about anime is "boring", it's better than watching 1000+ anime and having absolutely zero knowledge about the production of anime and animation. your little knowledge about anime is "boring" |
OniNori said: Marknnz said: Late answer but, nah I'm not, attack on titan after season 3 from wit is dogshit, not bc the source is disappointing at the end, God of highschool, the lame cgi at fights in CSM, and a lot more, the only good adaptation they did is Jujutsu Kaisen. Even if you try to defend CSM, instead of me trying to argue that i will just say that Bocchi The Rock had more popularity/rating/impact than this "colossal" source that is CSM, if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode.. Btw Art isn't animation so don't try to argue that too, thx. Actually, most of those "lame CGI fights" you talk about are hand drawn, they used CG mostly for the close-ups of the chainsaws: skip to minute 6 in this one: 3D CGI blend with 2D drawn art is very common practice.. |
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Marknnz said: This is me, waiting for your next "brilliant" answer in the form of a canvas. Poor guy, watched like 10 animes so its hard to understand huh, its simple, CSM is a 7/10 7/10 is the generic animes with generic plot/production that 10days after finishing airing you already forgot, 6/10 it's the same but with less production, 8/10 are the good/really good ones with good history/pace/production/sound/acting/animation etc. The ones like Stein's gate, Stein's gate is a 8 or 9/10, CSM don't come close to this. Top tier adaptation is in fact Re:Zero, and Demon Slayer of course, not because its popular or only beautiful, its because they made better than the original. You just might walk another half hour or decades while watching anime, then you will realize how meh CSM anime is. The all "incoherent" thing is just your excuses since everybody that do understand about it and isn't trying to please dumb ppl to get money say the same. It's funny tho how you say that I'm boring while people that are really engaged with anime stuff say otherwise, its rare unfortunately to find people that aren't dumb like you, people that DON'T USE THEIR OPINION AS ARGUMENT. Because that's you, not me, there's nothing good that i dislike, i only dislike bad/forgettable thing, the things with 0 impact. So this is my turn to say: You are boring, your little knowledge about anime is "boring" your praising about the future CSM is just boring. You are coherent, and not confused, the unfortunately part is that your opinion isn't a fact and its bad aswell, you can list almost all animes on MAL that are 8/10 and i can say why they are there and why they are better and why CSM is a 7/10 too. But you only can talk about your little bubble of CSM :/ LMAO YUP, what i said, placed Demon Slayer and Kiseijuu on the same place of Chinese anime, and Yagate yuri anime 9/10. Just get the f*ck out here with your "coherent" dumb opinion based of taste of anime  |
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shedlain said: Sure you have more knowledge, "Demon slayer acting is absent" nice joke tho, and again, just stop answer bro, your opinion is as good as your taste shows, your "knowledge" isn't really accurate when it's really about the anime itself, only about people doing the anime what doesn't really matter since the final product is what matters and again, you don't really know about it. Demon Slayer acting is very very good and present in a lot episodes, but i guess you watched with your eyes and ears close just like you watched CSM Kiseijuu and Yagate. Btw, i don't know how to call a clown or dumb when they are both clown and dumb is a pffense, lmao, ohhh you think you are indeed smart right, oof. As i said, 9/10 Yagate, 7/10 Demon, 7/10 Kiseijuu, i don't even need to argue because you proved that i was right since the very beginning: i watched more animes than you rookie, you know nothing". I won't even use logic or arguments to a guy that watched less episodes of anime than i watched of one piece, you just can't assume that you know what you are talking about if you don't really have experience, or watched at least 300 animes to really understand what is absent acting, good adaptation, good animation. Maybe even that won't fix your broken opinion, but hey it is what it is, I'm fine having the truth while you have your opinions, cya in 3 years i hope you become a little better at seeing and listening tho lmaoMarknnz said: Poor guy, watched like 10 animes so its hard to understand huh, its simple, CSM is a 7/10 7/10 is the generic animes with generic plot/production that 10days after finishing airing you already forgot, 6/10 it's the same but with less production, 8/10 are the good/really good ones with good history/pace/production/sound/acting/animation etc. The ones like Stein's gate, Stein's gate is a 8 or 9/10, CSM don't come close to this. Top tier adaptation is in fact Re:Zero, and Demon Slayer of course, not because its popular or only beautiful, its because they made better than the original. You just might walk another half hour or decades while watching anime, then you will realize how meh CSM anime is. The all "incoherent" thing is just your excuses since everybody that do understand about it and isn't trying to please dumb ppl to get money say the same. It's funny tho how you say that I'm boring while people that are really engaged with anime stuff say otherwise, its rare unfortunately to find people that aren't dumb like you, people that DON'T USE THEIR OPINION AS ARGUMENT. Because that's you, not me, there's nothing good that i dislike, i only dislike bad/forgettable thing, the things with 0 impact. So this is my turn to say: You are boring, your little knowledge about anime is "boring" your praising about the future CSM is just boring. You are coherent, and not confused, the unfortunately part is that your opinion isn't a fact and its bad aswell, you can list almost all animes on MAL that are 8/10 and i can say why they are there and why they are better and why CSM is a 7/10 too. But you only can talk about your little bubble of CSM :/ LMAO YUP, what i said, placed Demon Slayer and Kiseijuu on the same place of Chinese anime, and Yagate yuri anime 9/10. Just get the f*ck out here with your "coherent" dumb opinion based of taste of anime The gif that I threw off by 101% shows how you looked and felt while writing your next canvas of text. How do I know that? Because you started using really brilliant arguments from the category: 1. The number of anime viewed. From the category: "listen here, boy, I've watched a lot of anime, unlike you, rookie, so I understand, but you don't, understand?" Marknnz said: You are a person who didn't really watch a decent amount of animes. Marknnz said: Poor guy, watched like 10 animes so its hard to understand huh, its simple Marknnz said: As if the number of views is something you can be proud of and use in disputes as an argument. You just might walk another half hour or decades while watching anime, then you will realize how meh CSM anime is 2. To give an example of some left-wing acquaintances and pseudo anime experts, thereby trying to prove: "I'm not boring, I have friends.“ This is a very strong act that deserves respect (no). 3. Throwing arrows: "Are you calling me boring? Me? No, you're boring. Your life is boring but I'm interesting, I have friends who communicate with me." It's pretty funny. 4. To climb into other people's profiles and see what ratings I have given to which anime. "1 Rule of the anime sraches: presented to his opponent for giving some anime a score of X, thereby showing his superiority and indicating to the opponent where his place is and that his opinion is worthless." 5. Last in the list, but not by value. Offend and get personal: Marknnz said: Funny how CSM defenders are just clowns Marknnz said: Do I need to explain something here? Since mom has not taught you to communicate adequately, your opinion is reduced to zero.its rare unfortunately to find people that aren't dumb like you It seems that calling you boring hit the bull's-eye. Perhaps I have touched some kind of psychological trauma? If so, I'm very sorry. I'll give you a tip, instead of watching 1000 Anime und sitzen auf Anime-forum, go to a psychologist. I'm worried about you. LMAO. Marknnz said: I've read my own posts, but I haven't found any praise for the future of Csm. The only thing I noted is that we should expect an improvement in CGI. This is an assumption, not a statement. These are different things, if you didn't know. your praising about the future CSM is just boring. And I have at least two factors that allow me to assume an improvement in season 2: 1. As I wrote above, Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in using CGI. He sees a lot of opportunities in it, so he is actively developing the studio's CGI-Department. 2. Manabu Ootsuka is dissatisfied with the result given by Ryuu Nakayama. Because the final quality of the anime does not correspond to the allocated funds (money, a reformed office for Nakayama, a staff of professional animators). And it's true, if CSM had a more experienced director, the anime could have looked noticeably better. Therefore, we should expect a change in the vision of the adaptation and stricter supervision of the animation producer Seshimo over Nakayama. We already have an indirect, but excellent example in the form of Jujutsu Kaisen. Season 1 has a bunch of problems: terrible compositing, terrible CGI backgrounds with bad textures, poor visual digital effects, weak art direction, unnecessarily complicated character design and generally weak visual aesthetics. And judging by the trailer, which is not specially animated, but consists of anime frames, Then in season 2, all these problems are solved. Marknnz said: It's a pity that Demon Slayer doesn't have all this.8/10 are the good/really good ones with good history/acting/animation Marknnz said: That's the only reason.Demon Slayer of course, not because its popular or only beautiful The Demon Slayer doesn't have excellent animation, as many say. It's just high-quality, but it's not enough. It is also quite small. Many of the episodes are quite limited. Most of the anime is a slideshow and just talking heads with limited mouth animation. Character Acting is practically absent. The action choreography is mediocre (in fairness, Csm also has weak choreography) The characters often stand still (look at the real hand-to-hand fighting and fencing there are constantly moving) just waving arms in different directions. Also, do not forget about the weakest link of the adaptation directed by Haruo Sotozaki. He doesn't have his own vision of the project, which makes the anime look standard. His storyboards are as simple as possible and without ideas. Anime just licks manga frames exactly, and no, this is not a sign of a good adaptation, because there are things that don't work in anime or manga. For example, there are tons of monologues that violate one of the rules: show, don't tell (this also slows down the pace of the action). But despite all this, I put 7 out of 10. Why? Well, it's still a high-quality job: excellent compositing, good CGI backgrounds, the use of a dynamic camera, combining 2D and 3D, excellent drawing style and character design, and in general, good visual aesthetics. And even though I didn't speak the best about animation before, when it appears, albeit rarely, it is done qualitatively, and the action, thanks to it (apart from bad choreography and constant monologues), entertains. Well, the visual effects of the studio are good (although sometimes they overdo it with digital ones). In general, a great attraction for 7 out of 10. Quite reasonably. Marknnz said: Even if my little knowledge about anime is "boring", it's better than watching 1000+ anime and having absolutely zero knowledge about the production of anime and animation. your little knowledge about anime is "boring" |
MarknnzMar 28, 2023 12:00 PM
shedlain said: Sorry for my broken English. Pitto_ said: Only the background was in CGI.The episode were they animated in CGI the drunk routine of that b*tch who tried to fuck Denji was annoying, unnecessary and just weird because it was most CGI. Pitto_ said: It's not because of the use of CGI. It's just that the Chainsaw action direction is different from the standard one. The action in anime such as Jujutsu and Kimetsu is standard, fast, and exaggerated. Chainsaw is the complete opposite. It's heavy, slow, and realistic. Also the fights weren't that action packed Pitto_ said: https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/b72e66520bc736b9409f2470ed50ed58.mp4and the fact they didn't even bothered to go for a drawing animations but always sticked to CGI for Denji was disappointing. https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/294f15f815aa25dea5110c0b8a086889.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/af555c4d78339e28d0221713ecf2d75f.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/7ffaba7fdf28935b86e2f048e33a0820.mp4 https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/fbc8ddfaff76e8aab06aa401e1aeaa2f.mp4 Pitto_ said: There is. Only these studios' anime hardly has the same large amount of animation in everyday life and high-quality character play as in Chainsaw Man.There are studios out there which animated way more difficult characters than the Chainsaw Devil, so no, the fact it's "hard to animate" it's not an excuse. Pitto_ said: Mappa is a rich studio. She has a little more than three hundred employees and five or six offices. Her animation producers have great connections among freelancers. They can afford to produce a large number of anime. Maybe MAPPA should try to do less but better, rather than doing every fricking anime out there in the shortest amount of time ever immaginable Pitto_ said: Do people again recall that isolated incident with the first part of the fourth season of Shingeki no Kyojin and project it to the entire studio? That's just the opposite of reality. Mappa is one of the few studios that respects its employees at least a little.ruins their employees lives and pretend good works from humans beings. Pitto_ said: In everyday scenes, cgi was only used for backgrounds, environments, and character layouts, with 2d drawn on top. https://www.sakugabooru.com/data/be12756a1ea1e08d0c86b5581469c051.mp4many of the slice of life scenes looked fricking uncanny because they mixed rotoscoping, CGI and drawings. Rotoscoping was used only two or three times. Animator Kouki Fujimoto was responsible for most of the scenes of everyday life. By calling his work rotoscoping, you very much belittle the merits of such a wonderful animator. Thanks for answering me with the proof, I appreciate it. Still don' like Mappa and I think the way they treat their employee is kinda toxic (never heard of this AOT incident btw, I wasn't interested in anime back then), but now I see CGI wasn't as used as I believed. I think CSM look pretty but as I said it was not the style they should have went for this kind of anime. |
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RikaHonjo said: I don't really understand why people are complaining about CGI, when the animation itself already has major issues, where the artstyle completely differs from the manga, the same atmosphere is not even present. I don't see the art style differing from the manga as a negative, It is an adaptation in a completely different medium after all, so I appreciate it more when an adaptation takes creative freedom to be able to take advantage of the medium of animation, instead of just doing a 1 to 1 panel by panel copy from the manga, that's why I really like adaptations like Bocchi the rock. I know, what makes you think that I'm not aware of it? |
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OniNori said: RikaHonjo said: I don't really understand why people are complaining about CGI, when the animation itself already has major issues, where the artstyle completely differs from the manga, the same atmosphere is not even present. I don't see the art style differing from the manga as a negative, It is an adaptation in a completely different medium after all, so I appreciate it more when an adaptation takes creative freedom to be able to take advantage of the medium of animation, instead of just doing a 1 to 1 panel by panel copy from the manga, that's why I really like adaptation like Bocchi the rock. I know, what makes you think that I'm not aware of it? Interesting comment. |
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Marknnz said: Sure you have more knowledge, "Demon slayer acting is absent" nice joke tho, and again, just stop answer bro, your opinion is as good as your taste shows, your "knowledge" isn't really accurate when it's really about the anime itself, only about people doing the anime what doesn't really matter since the final product is what matters and again, you don't really know about it. Demon Slayer acting is very very good and present in a lot episodes, but i guess you watched with your eyes and ears close just like you watched CSM Kiseijuu and Yagate. Btw, i don't know how to call a clown or dumb when they are both clown and dumb is a pffense, lmao, ohhh you think you are indeed smart right, oof. As i said, 9/10 Yagate, 7/10 Demon, 7/10 Kiseijuu, i don't even need to argue because you proved that i was right since the very beginning: i watched more animes than you rookie, you know nothing". I won't even use logic or arguments to a guy that watched less episodes of anime than i watched of one piece, you just can't assume that you know what you are talking about if you don't really have experience, or watched at least 300 animes to really understand what is absent acting, good adaptation, good animation. Maybe even that won't fix your broken opinion, but hey it is what it is, I'm fine having the truth while you have your opinions, cya in 3 years i hope you become a little better at seeing and listening tho lmao  It's you who, after writing your canvas of text, is filled with the deepest meaning and excellent arguments. You were so inspired that you felt your body being filled with strength! And this is me, after reading your canvas of the text and realizing how you humiliated me and put me in my place:  In general, it's funny how you, realizing your helplessness and weakness, from understanding that you can't refute my words in any way. You continue to write your canvases of text in impotent anger, where you try to belittle me with assessments, citing the fact that you have watched a little anime and do not understand anything, and in general, I look with my eyes closed. This gif is the personification of you:  |
shedlainApr 14, 2023 4:36 AM
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shedlain said:
Also in the second season, we should expect an improvement in CGI. Because the head of the studio Mappa Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in this regard. He actively invests in the CGI department of the studio, and recruitment goes there almost all year round.
1. Budget is the last thing that affects the quality of anime. First of all, the role is played by the staff and the time allocated to them. If you give a lot of money to bad staff, they will not learn how to make anime (Ex-Arm) from this. If you give money to a good staff, but do not give time, nothing good will come of it either (Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4).
2. Chainsaw Man is not just a manga adaptation. This is a project for the future. The future is for Ryuu Nakayama as the main director and animators of newcomers, who mostly animated the endings. At that time, such veterans of the anime industry as Tatsuya Yoshihara, Hasegawa Hitomi, Kurosaki Hayato were working on the anime itself.
3.3. Even if Chainsaw Man had one ending, CGI would not have disappeared anywhere, because they originally planned to combine 2D and 3D. It was a conscious decision because it suited the direction they chose to adapt and develop CGI itself. And all those shortcomings of CGI and errors in 2D animation arise due to the very large ambitions of the staff, Nakayama's inexperience in directing a project of this level and the weak participation of animation producer Keisuke Seshimo. But not because of the 11 animated endings.
Enjoy your future project for the future, i will keep enjoying the present when Demon slayer release. Surely the freelancers are directing the animation and everything else too right, they don't have a director or producer that mess things up, they ran the production by themselves. Funny how CSM defenders are just clowns that keep themselves inside a bubble of promises and delusional thoughts. CSM won't change anything and you want to know why? Because it's far below the actual top tier adaptation/production. And of course the 11 endings have a thing to do it, when you waste time with something that isn't the true purpose you can't really see/Manage all the things in time even you are experienced enough, the work just piles up. But keep it up, i just love all the: second season will be.. in the future will be... The source gets better next arc. It's just too fun.Marknnz said:
Bones
It's funny that you cited Bones Studio as an example of a studio that is better than Mappa. Considering that both studios primarily rely on freelancers. That is, if you look at the anime staff that these studios produce, you can quite often meet the same names.Bones
So to claim that Bones Studio or conditional David Production is better than Mappa has no wash away. The best animators and directors wander from one studio to another.
RejectedApples said:
его CGI ниже среднего, но, учитывая его отображение, его следует считать ужасным. это тот тип cgi, который вы ожидаете от студии уровня c, а не от одной из крупнейших
Cgi-Rendering ist gut, it has good textures and detail, no compression issues and almost no fps issues. It also has very good strokes to give speed and naturalness to the model. его CGI ниже среднего, но, учитывая его отображение, его следует считать ужасным. это тот тип cgi, который вы ожидаете от студии уровня c, а не от одной из крупнейших
Also in the second season, we should expect an improvement in CGI. Because the head of the studio Mappa Manabu Ootsuka is very ambitious in this regard. He actively invests in the CGI department of the studio, and recruitment goes there almost all year round.
OniNori said:
I'm just disproving your misinformation but oh well think whatever you want to think.
In fact, you can ignore this person. His words are almost worthless, because he himself does not understand what he is saying. I'm just disproving your misinformation but oh well think whatever you want to think.
Marknnz said:
if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode..
if only they used the budget wasted in endings to the real episode..
1. Budget is the last thing that affects the quality of anime. First of all, the role is played by the staff and the time allocated to them. If you give a lot of money to bad staff, they will not learn how to make anime (Ex-Arm) from this. If you give money to a good staff, but do not give time, nothing good will come of it either (Shingeki no Kyojin Season 4).
2. Chainsaw Man is not just a manga adaptation. This is a project for the future. The future is for Ryuu Nakayama as the main director and animators of newcomers, who mostly animated the endings. At that time, such veterans of the anime industry as Tatsuya Yoshihara, Hasegawa Hitomi, Kurosaki Hayato were working on the anime itself.
3.3. Even if Chainsaw Man had one ending, CGI would not have disappeared anywhere, because they originally planned to combine 2D and 3D. It was a conscious decision because it suited the direction they chose to adapt and develop CGI itself. And all those shortcomings of CGI and errors in 2D animation arise due to the very large ambitions of the staff, Nakayama's inexperience in directing a project of this level and the weak participation of animation producer Keisuke Seshimo. But not because of the 11 animated endings.
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