Muv-Luv Alternative 2nd Season Episode 11 Discussion

Arthuro-Ray said:
They omitted a lot of the lines, Michiru doesn't says "Naku na, otoko daro" but the way they integrated the ending into the send-off more than makes up for it. 10/10

FireFistYK said:
Fkn amazing episode!

People can keep crying about this adaptation but the attitude from the western community before it even began airing was negative so people were never going to give it a chance. It's not a perfect adaptation but it's still one of the more serviceable VN adaptations I've seen

Fax001s said:


I have to agree, it's pretty obvious that they are actually trying to do something good with this adaptation despite the budget limitations, it doesn't feel lazy. When it first aired i thought they would cram all the content in 12 episodes, but here we are now.

FireFistYK said:


Exactly and people forget that an adaptation isn't a 1:1 of the VN because that's impossible and boring in a anime/tv series format. So they have to carefully consider what content to fit in and what they should adapt with a limited number of episodes and budget. If the producers only got a notice to make Alternative into an anime, then they can't do anything about that and we have to accept that. Also, most people I've talked to without any prior knowledge of Muv Luv seem to really like the anime.

Arthuro-Ray said:
They nailed most of the emotional scenes this season, I really wish they announce s3.

SuperRobotLover said:
How can someone actually dislike this episode is beyond me. Almost perfect adaptation.

SuperRobotLover said:
How can someone actually dislike this episode is beyond me. Almost perfect adaptation.

Arthuro-Ray said:

lots of doomer and doom posting within the fanbase unfortunately, it's like they don't want the franchise to succeed

EmmyMoomin said:

Why do you think people want the franchise to fail? It’s too big to fail. It’s one of the biggest vn series in japan. a crappy anime like this isn’t gonna make it fail.

planetwarrior said:


Either season 3, movie or ONA, we can take it.

dailybread said:

too big to fail? brother, this franchise is financially struggling for most of its existence. thanks to kouki's business acumen.

EmmyMoomin said:

It wouldn’t have an anime release at all, let alone two (and more if you count the non-muv luv ones based in the same series), if it was a dying franchise. It’s super popular, so it’s not gonna fail.

EmmyMoomin said:

For me, it’s the music choice and the weak voice acting performances, (especially by takeru’s VA) as well as unnecessary new scenes or changes to normal scenes. Some of it I’m okay with, like it making it more clear who went rogue and shot at Sagiri during the coup, (and I guess the first episode was decent on its own but terrible by making the first season even more rushed). But other than that, it’s all pointless shit they took from either the manga or made up on the spot.

It’s completely inferior to the vn in almost every way. The only part I can find enjoyable in this is the above average CGI mecha fights and the opening and ending themes (which shouldn’t have been used this episode as it doesn’t fit the tone at all)

TheColonel76 said:
The battle doesn’t come to an end without something tragic happening, but it was expected. Kashiwagi signed her death warrant when she went back to protect Captain Isumi, and Isumi signed hers when she chose the stay behind and self destruct the Susano-O, at least that’s how I saw it when those decisions were made lol. But both deaths were sad ones, Isumi’s was drawn out since she got to say goodbye to her squad with her final 10 minute of life. I may have saw it coming but that didn’t stop it from being sad.

And man that explosion reminds me of the Subspace Bombs from Smash Bros Brawl, talk about absolute annihilation. Also I’m not the biggest fans of seeing characters in the afterlife immediately after they die but that was a nice final scene for Isumi. And I’m ngl the battleship captain we saw often in this arc was one of my favorite characters lol, I was ready for him to die too but he stood his ground and kept it with his crew.

dailybread said:

kouki wouldn't have to sell muv-luv to avex and relinquish all his right to the franchise if it was so successful. Kouki can't even know what they will show what next episode will show. To quote kouki during the 1st season's airing.

EmmyMoomin said:

I don’t see the issue here. This doesn’t change the fact that it’s a huge franchise that’s super popular as I said.

dailybread said:

You said it was too big to fail while in fact it was almost always in trouble financially

EmmyMoomin said:

Do those mean the same thing? If that’s the case then I just used the wrong term. My point is it’s super popular and no amount of garbage that’s made in the franchise, like this anime, is going to get it to stop being popular. So it’s not going to fail regardless of how many poor financial decisions are made. That’s what I mean by it being big.

dailybread said:

Lol you are in denial. Avex is only doing this for money. If it doesn't make money, they will put it in the dead IP storage where it will never be touched on again. It has happened on "popular" franchise. Those who are more popular than muv-luv. Command and conquer comes to mind after they are bought by EA. Muv-Luv is big. But it's not big enough to give it immortality. You will need starwars-level big for that.

EmmyMoomin said:

I still don’t understand how you think it’ll fail. You haven’t said anything that could lead to it failing. You’ve only mentioned that kouki is a moron when it comes to business, (which I don’t disagree with, he made some ridiculous money decisions just to finish alternative,) and that the new company is greedy.

What you’re thinking of is money, money has nothing to do with something being popular. If something is popular, then it means it’s a success. The Franchise could die and it would still be a successful one. Your version of successful seems to be different from mine. And I’d say your version is incorrect.

dailybread said:

Let's put it this way. Muv-Luv alternative was a success. Total Eclipse is a break-even venture. Schwarzesmarken is a failure, not because it was bad, but because they were losing money at that point. They were riding on alternative success on selling these spin-offs. But popularity ran out eventually. The only major success they had was 15 years ago. The main trilogy is the only thing that's driving this franchise onward. Muv-luv trilogy was released 15 years ago, and since then they have released several visual novels, 2 animes, 2 gacha games, and god knows how many other games. Now you tell me how many of these releases reach 1/10 of the success the main trilogy had. How many of those games died on launch? Muv-luv alternative is a success because it made them a lot of money and popularity that they could bank on for 2 decades onward but the franchise itself has never been what most people constitute as 'successful'. Muv-luv alternative was their once in a lifetime jackpot and the franchise is depending on them as life-support. inb4 kiminozo and other age vns fans roast me for it, those vns are a different discussion all-together.

EmmyMoomin said:

For me, it’s the music choice and the weak voice acting performances, (especially by takeru’s VA) as well as unnecessary new scenes or changes to normal scenes. Some of it I’m okay with, like it making it more clear who went rogue and shot at Sagiri during the coup, (and I guess the first episode was decent on its own but terrible by making the first season even more rushed). But other than that, it’s all pointless shit they took from either the manga or made up on the spot.

It’s completely inferior to the vn in almost every way. The only part I can find enjoyable in this is the above average CGI mecha fights and the opening and ending themes (which shouldn’t have been used this episode as it doesn’t fit the tone at all)

dailybread said:

kouki wouldn't have to sell muv-luv to avex and relinquish all his right to the franchise if it was so successful. Kouki can't even know what they will show what next episode will show. To quote kouki during the 1st season's airing.

EmmyMoomin said:

Most of the muv luv VNs are well received, therefore they are popular. Of course none of them are more popular than alternative. The trilogy is always gonna be the most popular thing in the franchise when taking into account both of our versions of successfulness. again you’re only talking about money when I told you that’s not how I gauge a success. Muv luv is viewed favourably. It’s popular. If it’s not getting money, then tough. That’s life. It’s still popular regardless. It’s still successful. Muv Luv Integrate could sell only 100 copies, 50 copies, even, but depending on if it’s received well by those people who brought it, and the people who will pirate it, then it’ll be a successful game.

Anyway. The anime hasn’t done much good, getting back on track. Hating it and thinking it’s bad does not mean I want the muv luv franchise to fail, including financially (I’m not even pirating this). It means the anime sucks and I want a better one that doesn’t skip things and also ruin moments like in the last couple episodes, especially this one.

dailybread said:

Then your definition of successful is vastly different than mine. A well-received product could still not sell enough and thus be put down. i wouldn't call it successful. It might be a good product but that doesn't mean it's successful. What if the studio who made it doesn't make enough money to stay afloat? Is it still considered successful?

Jackson1333 said:
As an Anime only who hasn't been the biggest fan of this show, I have to say, these last few episodes have really shined. This is what Muv luv does well, and it shows. I feel the weakest part of this season in particular, has been the dimension hopping. While it may have worked in the VN, I kind feel like they should have cut it for the Anime, as it felt unnecessary, and a huge waste of time, and instead devoted that time to really building up a lot of these side characters. In any war story, you are going to have losses, and you want your audience to feel something for those losses. And while this was a really great episode, I still just don't feel like I know or remember these characters very well. So most of the emotional impact is lost on me. Especially since they keep introducing so many new squads, when I still don't even feel like we've spent much time with our original squad. There are too many characters crammed into too few episodes. I can really only see this adaptation working for fans of the VN, who already know these characters, and have an attachment to them, so they can see some of these really great moments finally animated.

Muv Luv was always on my list of VN's to check out, but after the first season, it dropped way down the list, but these last few episodes have definitely brought my interest back up, as its really starting to show what this story can be, and that's exciting. (and spoilers don't bother me, if the story is good enough, then knowing the destination, won't diminish my enjoyment of the journey), So I will be bumping this back up a few spots on my VN checklist.

Doge_Karim said:
Very epic episode and how the studio executed Michiru's struggle and message to her's squad very good

Very sad this anime not so popular due previous season.
Hope they will adapt story of Michiru and her sisters rivality since I read Michiru's back story can read in one of VN like Hayase's and Suzumiya's back story