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Jan 27, 2022 3:52 AM
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Rashiedekhiyo said:
Again a ton of wholesomeness. But god whats with the pacing. 3eps covering 1 year

Lolol the manga is like that. It's almost episodic
Jan 27, 2022 3:56 AM
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I think this can be better compared to Given(since it's the most popular BL released in the last few years and didn't get as many complains compared to Love Stage). Given also had some animation problems and TV series ended on cliffhanger, but romance was much more naturally developed and it had better aesthetics going for it. Since Sasaki to Miyano is based off of 4-koma manga, I wasn't expecting steller pacing, but it'd worked better as a movie, not the whole TV series.


Given being more contemporary and perceived as less problematic than Love Stage has nothing really to do with that tho. I wasn't even necessarily comparing them, I simply brought up Love Stage as an example of a BL anime with good pacing and interesting presentation. Also, there are a lot of anime that were adapted from 4-koma manga that didn't have pacing issues as bad as this anime. K-on and Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun are two examples of those. Studio Deen could've made it work, even as a TV anime, but the problem is that there doesn't seem to be much passion behind this anime from its staff.

I won't get into the 4-koma debate since I don't know much. But I disagree the staff don't have passion for this story (as much passion you can have for a job lol). The animation and colors are really pretty, and they seem to be following the manga pretty well
Also, Given's movie is hella problematic with Akihiko's actions and the staff's choices
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Their little jokes were already so funny in the manga and the drama CD but now that I can see them speaking, it's way more funnier now.

Miyano's reaction after hearing that XD
Can't wait to see when they actually confess.

Sasaki's reaction after receiving the chocolates was so beautifully animated. Deen really does a good job with this type of fluffy slice of life.
Jan 27, 2022 12:51 PM

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Given being more contemporary and perceived as less problematic than Love Stage has nothing really to do with that tho. I wasn't even necessarily comparing them, I simply brought up Love Stage as an example of a BL anime with good pacing and interesting presentation. Also, there are a lot of anime that were adapted from 4-koma manga that didn't have pacing issues as bad as this anime. K-on and Gekkan Shoujo Nozaki-kun are two examples of those. Studio Deen could've made it work, even as a TV anime, but the problem is that there doesn't seem to be much passion behind this anime from its staff.

I won't get into the 4-koma debate since I don't know much. But I disagree the staff don't have passion for this story (as much passion you can have for a job lol). The animation and colors are really pretty, and they seem to be following the manga pretty well
Also, Given's movie is hella problematic with Akihiko's actions and the staff's choices


I don't really know what you'd personally consider "good animation", but I think this anime so far doesn't have good animation in the tradition sense. There are generally so few in-betweens that the movement becomes really stilted and the character animation is pretty inexpressive. There's just very little actual animating goin on. Including the basic composition and claustrophobic shots, I feel like the visuals are unimpressive at best, bad at worst. Sure, some of the still frames look nice, but it's an anime, not a singular drawing. Episode two was actually good tho, but idk why the animation quality and pacing issues are so bad again....... Also, what does the anime following the manga it's adapting well have to do with the staff's passion? That doesn't really indicate that they care about the product they're making and is kind of a baseline standard for adaptations, no?
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Bixxbite said:

I won't get into the 4-koma debate since I don't know much. But I disagree the staff don't have passion for this story (as much passion you can have for a job lol). The animation and colors are really pretty, and they seem to be following the manga pretty well
Also, Given's movie is hella problematic with Akihiko's actions and the staff's choices


I don't really know what you'd personally consider "good animation", but I think this anime so far doesn't have good animation in the tradition sense. There are generally so few in-betweens that the movement becomes really stilted and the character animation is pretty inexpressive. There's just very little actual animating goin on. Including the basic composition and claustrophobic shots, I feel like the visuals are unimpressive at best, bad at worst. Sure, some of the still frames look nice, but it's an anime, not a singular drawing. Episode two was actually good tho, but idk why the animation quality and pacing issues are so bad again....... Also, what does the anime following the manga it's adapting well have to do with the staff's passion? That doesn't really indicate that they care about the product they're making and is kind of a baseline standard for adaptations, no?


Well, that's to be expected considering that the studio behind this has a bad reputation in terms of animation. But I think the budget here is not THAT bad, just not impressive. It just doesn't meet the standards of good quality that is considered right now. Well, we will see I guess. What I am more worried about is how they will handle the important events. That's just what I'm here for honestly HSAHDHA.
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Jan 28, 2022 1:50 PM

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ThatFlowerGirl said:
Bixxbite said:


I don't really know what you'd personally consider "good animation", but I think this anime so far doesn't have good animation in the tradition sense. There are generally so few in-betweens that the movement becomes really stilted and the character animation is pretty inexpressive. There's just very little actual animating goin on. Including the basic composition and claustrophobic shots, I feel like the visuals are unimpressive at best, bad at worst. Sure, some of the still frames look nice, but it's an anime, not a singular drawing. Episode two was actually good tho, but idk why the animation quality and pacing issues are so bad again....... Also, what does the anime following the manga it's adapting well have to do with the staff's passion? That doesn't really indicate that they care about the product they're making and is kind of a baseline standard for adaptations, no?


Well, that's to be expected considering that the studio behind this has a bad reputation in terms of animation. But I think the budget here is not THAT bad, just not impressive. It just doesn't meet the standards of good quality that is considered right now. Well, we will see I guess. What I am more worried about is how they will handle the important events. That's just what I'm here for honestly HSAHDHA.


Yeah, Studio Deen is definitely no Kyoto Animation or anything, but they've made decent looking anime in the past. Hell, they've even made decent looking BL adaptations like Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and the most recent season of Junjou Romantica, so I wasn't exactly expecting this episode (and the first one) to look THIS bad. But it's totally fair to not really concern yourself with the animation and more so with how they're gonna handle important story beats. I mean, I can't really blame you with how this episode's pacing turned out :/
Jan 28, 2022 7:19 PM
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Bixxbite said:
ThatFlowerGirl said:


Well, that's to be expected considering that the studio behind this has a bad reputation in terms of animation. But I think the budget here is not THAT bad, just not impressive. It just doesn't meet the standards of good quality that is considered right now. Well, we will see I guess. What I am more worried about is how they will handle the important events. That's just what I'm here for honestly HSAHDHA.


Yeah, Studio Deen is definitely no Kyoto Animation or anything, but they've made decent looking anime in the past. Hell, they've even made decent looking BL adaptations like Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and the most recent season of Junjou Romantica, so I wasn't exactly expecting this episode (and the first one) to look THIS bad. But it's totally fair to not really concern yourself with the animation and more so with how they're gonna handle important story beats. I mean, I can't really blame you with how this episode's pacing turned out :/


I wouldn't say it's general good animation, just better animation than all other BL anime adaptations I have seen (almost all), with the exception of Doukyuusei I would say. So, i guess, good animation in that standar. Plus, mostly only big studios can make the nowdays "good animation". For me, the anime has a nice usage of color and visual metaphors, enough "camera" and character movement to not make you feel you are watching a manga and good shots. Not the best thing ever, sure. But I have seen WAY worse, even these days.

"[...]is kind of a baseline standard for adaptations, no?" Well yes, one would expect that. But there are plenty anime adaptations out there that change stuff - major, minor, everything but the mains' names. Not to mention adaptations in general. If following the manga isn't staff passion, then at least it's respect towards the fans *shrugs*

I haven't seen Sekaiichi yet because of the reviews it got so I can't speak about it, but if you bring the last season of Junjou Romantica... aren't these stories more or less in the same boat? I would even first recommend StM rather than JR (not talking about the plot+characters). It's true JR has best pacing but it's manga has it, meanhiwle StM's manga pacing isn't that coherent either and there isn't that much the staff can do about it in this case (because the manga time skips a lot and do flashbacks too in the same fastly way the anime did so far).

Overall, the adaptation's quality isnt' AoT, Yuri On Ice, Violet Evergarden, JJK,KnY, etc-level. But was someone expecting that from not only this studio but also from a BL adaptation? I, at least, don't have that much hope on japanese animation. I'm just happy we finally have another adaptation from a completely non-porny non-toxic BL manga, even if both the manga and the anime aren't the best, BL or not
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Ohh no, even that these boys can be best friends is impossible. Ohh no my heart is smuccing and melting 😛
Jan 29, 2022 7:32 AM

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BlueKarou7 said:
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Yeah, Studio Deen is definitely no Kyoto Animation or anything, but they've made decent looking anime in the past. Hell, they've even made decent looking BL adaptations like Sekaiichi Hatsukoi and the most recent season of Junjou Romantica, so I wasn't exactly expecting this episode (and the first one) to look THIS bad. But it's totally fair to not really concern yourself with the animation and more so with how they're gonna handle important story beats. I mean, I can't really blame you with how this episode's pacing turned out :/


I wouldn't say it's general good animation, just better animation than all other BL anime adaptations I have seen (almost all), with the exception of Doukyuusei I would say. So, i guess, good animation in that standar. Plus, mostly only big studios can make the nowdays "good animation". For me, the anime has a nice usage of color and visual metaphors, enough "camera" and character movement to not make you feel you are watching a manga and good shots. Not the best thing ever, sure. But I have seen WAY worse, even these days.

"[...]is kind of a baseline standard for adaptations, no?" Well yes, one would expect that. But there are plenty anime adaptations out there that change stuff - major, minor, everything but the mains' names. Not to mention adaptations in general. If following the manga isn't staff passion, then at least it's respect towards the fans *shrugs*

I haven't seen Sekaiichi yet because of the reviews it got so I can't speak about it, but if you bring the last season of Junjou Romantica... aren't these stories more or less in the same boat? I would even first recommend StM rather than JR (not talking about the plot+characters). It's true JR has best pacing but it's manga has it, meanhiwle StM's manga pacing isn't that coherent either and there isn't that much the staff can do about it in this case (because the manga time skips a lot and do flashbacks too in the same fastly way the anime did so far).

Overall, the adaptation's quality isnt' AoT, Yuri On Ice, Violet Evergarden, JJK,KnY, etc-level. But was someone expecting that from not only this studio but also from a BL adaptation? I, at least, don't have that much hope on japanese animation. I'm just happy we finally have another adaptation from a completely non-porny non-toxic BL manga, even if both the manga and the anime aren't the best, BL or not


Well, Doukyuusei is definitely an outlier when it comes to BL adaptations, but really? THIS is better animated than Love Stage, Given, Sekaiichi Hatsukoi, etc? And Studio Deen isn't exactly a small studio, they can make good looking, decently animated anime and they have. I even mentioned them having made Sekaiichi Hatsukoi in my previous comment. Don't get me wrong, if you believe this anime's presentation looks fine, then more power to you. But, in my opinion, its usage of color is pretty standard, its visual metaphor in episode two was interesting but I haven't seen any other kinds in episode one or three and its mostly comprised of very standard static, panning or zooming shots. And its character movement is extremely stilted, even when compared to other BL adaptations. Maybe you prefer its general presentation over its animation, but I just really can't agree with the sentiment that Sasaki to Miyano is better animated than most other BL adaptations. Even if you're exclusively speaking of the ones you've seen, then it honestly sounds to me that you haven't watched a lot of BL adaptations tbh

As for the whole 4-koma adaptation thing, it's definitely tricky. But it just requires the staff to put a lot of effort into connecting the short manga segments in a seamless way. They haven't really done a great job at that so far, with all the pacing issues and whatnot, which is why I think they don't have a lot of passion for this particular project. Of course, sometimes the staff can't really afford to have much passion for an anime they're working on because they're underpaid and on an extreme TV anime time crunch. But that's more just a disappointing result of the way the JP animation industry works than anything.

"Overall, the adaptation's quality isnt' AoT, Yuri On Ice, Violet Evergarden, JJK,KnY, etc-level. But was someone expecting that from not only this studio but also from a BL adaptation?", no? And I never even implied that, so I don't really see what that has to do with my argument..... I compared it to other anime adaptations in its genre (BL is pretty niche, after all), not to the top dogs in the industry. And while it's nice to see a relatively unproblematic BL adaptation being made, I honestly prefer entertaining, trashy schlock over this rather milquetoast stuff...... Fingers crossed that episode four and beyond go back to the quality of episode two
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Bixxbite said:
BlueKarou7 said:


I wouldn't say it's general good animation, just better animation than all other BL anime adaptations I have seen (almost all), with the exception of Doukyuusei I would say. So, i guess, good animation in that standar. Plus, mostly only big studios can make the nowdays "good animation". For me, the anime has a nice usage of color and visual metaphors, enough "camera" and character movement to not make you feel you are watching a manga and good shots. Not the best thing ever, sure. But I have seen WAY worse, even these days.

"[...]is kind of a baseline standard for adaptations, no?" Well yes, one would expect that. But there are plenty anime adaptations out there that change stuff - major, minor, everything but the mains' names. Not to mention adaptations in general. If following the manga isn't staff passion, then at least it's respect towards the fans *shrugs*

I haven't seen Sekaiichi yet because of the reviews it got so I can't speak about it, but if you bring the last season of Junjou Romantica... aren't these stories more or less in the same boat? I would even first recommend StM rather than JR (not talking about the plot+characters). It's true JR has best pacing but it's manga has it, meanhiwle StM's manga pacing isn't that coherent either and there isn't that much the staff can do about it in this case (because the manga time skips a lot and do flashbacks too in the same fastly way the anime did so far).

Overall, the adaptation's quality isnt' AoT, Yuri On Ice, Violet Evergarden, JJK,KnY, etc-level. But was someone expecting that from not only this studio but also from a BL adaptation? I, at least, don't have that much hope on japanese animation. I'm just happy we finally have another adaptation from a completely non-porny non-toxic BL manga, even if both the manga and the anime aren't the best, BL or not


Well, Doukyuusei is definitely an outlier when it comes to BL adaptations, but really? THIS is better animated than Love Stage, Given, Sekaiichi Hatsukoi, etc? And Studio Deen isn't exactly a small studio, they can make good looking, decently animated anime and they have. I even mentioned them having made Sekaiichi Hatsukoi in my previous comment. Don't get me wrong, if you believe this anime's presentation looks fine, then more power to you. But, in my opinion, its usage of color is pretty standard, its visual metaphor in episode two was interesting but I haven't seen any other kinds in episode one or three and its mostly comprised of very standard static, panning or zooming shots. And its character movement is extremely stilted, even when compared to other BL adaptations. Maybe you prefer its general presentation over its animation, but I just really can't agree with the sentiment that Sasaki to Miyano is better animated than most other BL adaptations. Even if you're exclusively speaking of the ones you've seen, then it honestly sounds to me that you haven't watched a lot of BL adaptations tbh

As for the whole 4-koma adaptation thing, it's definitely tricky. But it just requires the staff to put a lot of effort into connecting the short manga segments in a seamless way. They haven't really done a great job at that so far, with all the pacing issues and whatnot, which is why I think they don't have a lot of passion for this particular project. Of course, sometimes the staff can't really afford to have much passion for an anime they're working on because they're underpaid and on an extreme TV anime time crunch. But that's more just a disappointing result of the way the JP animation industry works than anything.

"Overall, the adaptation's quality isnt' AoT, Yuri On Ice, Violet Evergarden, JJK,KnY, etc-level. But was someone expecting that from not only this studio but also from a BL adaptation?", no? And I never even implied that, so I don't really see what that has to do with my argument..... I compared it to other anime adaptations in its genre (BL is pretty niche, after all), not to the top dogs in the industry. And while it's nice to see a relatively unproblematic BL adaptation being made, I honestly prefer entertaining, trashy schlock over this rather milquetoast stuff...... Fingers crossed that episode four and beyond go back to the quality of episode two


True about mentioning those other animes, I got carried away with the mention of them in a previous comment.
I thought they were a relatively small studio having seen their BL adaptations, my bad then.
Regarding me thinking this one is better than most BL adaptations... yes. But we most probably are looking into different things here. Maybe I'm thinking of the presentation as you say, plus I haven't been really watching the story in an analytical way in this sense.
Regarding passion and 4koma, I now understand that I see passion in the things you don't find passion in so this debate is seems meaningles lolol
Lastly, I strongly believe unproblematic stories who break stereotypes and discrimination is better than trash but good-to-the-eye stories. But I'm someone who tries to collaborate in the making and promotion of healthy thoughtfull media. So there is probably that difference.
I guess I'll end my participation in the conversation here! :)
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The guy with fujo gf seriously should consider breaking up if she's shipping him with other boys and he doesn't like it, like what part of her does he love anyways, is he in just for her looks or something!?


If you pay close attention to detail, he says "The BL manga she HID under her pillow", and that the GF has never explicitly said that she ships him, it's all his assumption. The GF hid the BL because she knew he would be uncomfortable. -HE- finds the hidden stash and reads it and gets upset. So essentially he infringed on her privacy and brought it upon himself lol.
Sorry, my bad. Checked that part again he says "Has she been fantasizing me with other boys?" so looks like she isn't. Thanks for pointing out.

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Based on previous conversations and the Drama CD scene, Miyano is most definitely into some sort of explicit content that goes beyond just reading it for the "plot". After this episode I think I get what the author's motive was in making the MC a fudanshi -_-

The guy with fujo gf seriously should consider breaking up if she's shipping him with other boys and he doesn't like it, like what part of her does he love anyways, is he in just for her looks or something!?


ok so ye his a fudanshi..and?
also why r u even watching this serie if u dislike BL
When the series was initially announced on Ani-One some people were claiming that this isn't your typical BL and the author is trying to subvert BL tropes or something to those lines. I mean the characters themselves have a pretty sweet relationship but the authors certainly is using other means to validate the bad stuff that exists in the genre and so far Miyano isn't any different than Serinuma Kae with him immediately putting a seme or uke label on just about every boy he meets except Sasaki. It could have been so much better without all the fudanshi and BL talk.

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Maou_heika said:
TokenBoy8 said:


ok so ye his a fudanshi..and?
also why r u even watching this serie if u dislike BL
When the series was initially announced on Ani-One some people were claiming that this isn't your typical BL and the author is trying to subvert BL tropes or something to those lines. I mean the characters themselves have a pretty sweet relationship but the authors certainly is using other means to validate the bad stuff that exists in the genre and so far Miyano isn't any different than Serinuma Kae with him immediately putting a seme or uke label on just about every boy he meets except Sasaki. It could have been so much better without all the fudanshi and BL talk.


maybe this was just my interpretation, but i think the author is definitely subverting bl tropes, simply by making the characters question their own roles in the story. i mean, typically in bl the roles are just there and neither character questions it because it's just obvious to them that small/feminine = bottom and tall/masculine = top. in episode 4 i think it become especially clear that this isn't the case for these two.

(i know episode 4 is already out, but this is the episode 3 discussion so i'll put spoiler tags)


basically, i don't really agree that the 'fudanshi talk' is validating harmful tropes in bl. instead, i see it as bringing those tropes into question. but it's all up to interpretation at the end of the day, since no one can really speak for what the author's intentions were.
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I don't really like the pacing of this, and all the fujoshi/fudanshi stuff is just weird to me.. Like, you can enjoy boy love without fetishizing it and I just find it weird that the protagonist is a fudanshi. Basically again it just feels like this anime is catering to fujoshis
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This is SO CUTE and I was squealing at the end of the episode. PLEASE make out already aaaaa
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Oh yes listening to gay porn during the breaks at school, we all did that at least once... Well it's very clear that he's in love, he shouldn't hesitate xD
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I don't really like the pacing of this, and all the fujoshi/fudanshi stuff is just weird to me.. Like, you can enjoy boy love without fetishizing it and I just find it weird that the protagonist is a fudanshi. Basically again it just feels like this anime is catering to fujoshis
I know this post is late, but I dont think this show is catering to "fujoshis." The show is actually teaching you in the first half about bl troupes so that in the second half it can totally trash those cliches and become a story of it's own. I think this also happens in shows like "love is hard for an okatu" if you watched that.
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