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Special-Tan said: Marinate1016 said: So I’m seeing a lot of complaints mainly from VN fans. I’ve never read the VN and probably won’t for the foreseeable future, but I was absolutely blown away by this episode. I only knew a little about Muv-Luv from the people in my anime club who are fans. I didn’t expect it to be this dark. The opening few minutes had an upbeat feel and then I’m seeing heads ripped off and innocents massacred, holy shit man. I enjoyed this episode and think I’ll enjoy the rest of it as well. Don't mind them, they'll just spoil your enjoyment because their POV is entirely different. Disclaimer: I'm a big fan of the VN as well. Imma take this for a standalone piece because the VN was presented way differently but I think they did a great job with ep 1. I'm glad you enjoyed it! Hope you'll keep watching it. Appreciate it fam, hope you do too |
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| SPLENDID! As a hardcore VN fan, I'm positvely surprised. Music was amazing, animation was decent (BETA aren't good but everything else is superb), overall atmosphere... It's not perfect but it is the mecha anime "we vs the horde" I was wating for! I'm so glad it's good!!!!!! |
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| Anime original but dare I say a good episode? They accomplished in it feeling VERY Muv Luv with how everything seems to be under control until something inevitable happens which results in a horror show. I still don't think that it's gonna be a good adaptation, but I do have some hope in it having some good highlights for VN players if they can keep up the good animation and action sequences along with the horror feeling. Takeru woke up at the end, so that's kinda hype |
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| How did one of the most popular VNs of all time get such a terrible looking adaptation? I don't understand why the animation quality is this rushed |
| Gotta love the CGI right... I've never scene the visual novels, but I've only heard good things about it. I've seen Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken though. At least the action scenes are okay except the CGI. I expected this episode to be the way it was. Total Eclipse started the same way. I just hope it stays a sci-fi action mecha instead of going deep into the romance like Total Eclipse did. |
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| Today is history is made. 16 years after the original release of MLA, it is finally here... As for me, that would be more than 7 years later, fans who played the VN, we can finally say it is here! And the first episode is far from what I was expecting, never thought they would do an original right at the start, and if anything, all original content should be to give further content to everything Takeru experienced before the Alternative timeline... NONETHELESS. This was well done enough, a decent introduction to what this series is about. I don't really have any negatives to mention tbh, all the more considering this is original content, but of course, I m expecting more care put into scenes where Takeru goes wild. Lots of blood, me like it, those Fort class kills were bloody as fuck, and that poor dude was unlucky since the Fort class are full of acid inside... Anyway, the show will really start next week, cant wait to see Takeru in action, how they will handle the biggest obstacle, content from Extra and Unlimited, time will tell. The thing is, they took this long to go ahead with an anime adaptation for the main series, because the creator was picky, and wanted it done RIGHT. Having taken this long, I want to believe there are at least certain things they won't fuck on, episode count being one of them. There is no rule that they need to adapt all the plot in one season, one cour confirmed? So be it, I m rather thinking they will stop early in the plot, it could work fine, if S1 will animate till the end of the coup de etat, for example. Nothing is set in stone on how will they handle this. Ich_bin_einBaum said: First ep is anime original... this means they will have to cover the content of the VN in even less time. This adaptation is already doomed Again, is there are rule here? Are they being forced to adapt everything in one season? Who said that?! As a fan, I believe 52 episodes would be great for MLA overall, there is easily more than 50h of reading material on the VN, and this adaptation took its sweet time, I don't think it took this long, just for them to fuck up and adapt in 12 episodes lol. All these idiots downvoting and being very negative about this adaptation, as expected. And those saying the CG is bad... LOL Who has played the VN, you cant expect the BETA to be done in any other way, it is just impossible, making anime is just not that easy, just a single animation takes more than many would think, really, the BETA is known to be invincible in numbers, cant is done in other than CG, and this was decent CG at works. RiceKnight59 said: Gotta love the CGI right... I've never seen the visual novels, but I've only heard good things about it. I've seen Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse and Schwarzesmarken though. At least the action scenes are okay except the CGI. I expected this episode to be the way it was. Total Eclipse started the same way. I just hope it stays a sci-fi action mecha instead of going deep into the romance like Total Eclipse did. It will have romance, it will have some lighter tones, but at the end of the day, the fight against the BETA is always present, and overwhelms everything else. Also the romance on MLA is treaten in a very mature way. |
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ixarising said: Alexiiius said: is this original? dont remember this from the novels Yes it's original. Probably to promote Sayoko. oh no, anime original character? oh no oh no oh no |
| Ah,yes. The series that is one of the definitions of bleak anime. To be honest I will watch in hope something good will happen,hardly will, but whatever. Hope the girl isn't a BETA beacon. That humming didn't sound friendly by anime perspective. |
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| Aaaaand it's complete garbage. Man, my expectations were low, it's pretty much impossible to adapt 150hs of novel into a 12 episode anime, but how did we get from "hard to adapt", to "let's just throw a bunch of random shitty mecha battles with no context, a lot of who-cares characters to kill, and a bunch of military babble"?? This episodes captures absolutely NOTHING, I mean NOTHING AT ALL of what made the VN great. As a standalone thing, it would be just mediocre, however considering the source material, it's some of the worst things I've seen in a few years. |
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Animaniaig said: I can safely say that this was worse than I ever expected it to be. Visuals, besides the TSFs, is dreadful especially the character animation (or rather lack of it as it hardly even had lip sync) and BETA looked terrible with the CG and soldier class redesign. As an opening episode, it really did absolutely nothing to evoke the actual tone of the source especially in the beginning and I can say that this episode was absolutely pointless as an introduction. Nothing about this clicked in the slightest and it's clear to see how much of a cashgrab this actually is. That's pretty much the thing, with such a beloved and well crafted source material, I don't understand what made them go for a completely original opening episode that's written like ass and, if the anime goes even somewhat along the lines of the VN, will hardly have any relevance in the rest of the plot at all. That's an entire episode wasted on just introducing a bunch of random characters just to kill them. Now if I forget muvluv ever existed and try and analyze this as a stand alone thing then... it's still pretty mediocre, the pace is a mess it's hard to understand anything, without already knowing all the setting and terminology I can't imagine how hard it must be to keep track of Anything, and at the end of the day, it still feels like just a bunch of randos being introduced and then killed for shocker effect. Quite an underwhelming opening, still holding hope it'll make a 180º soon and start building an actual plot. |
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| Was reading other people's posts and decided to post my own thoughts. I read the visual novel of Muv Luv awhile back, and liked it quite a lot. There's a lot of great story present in the visual novel, but I understand that it's impossible to do a perfect adaptation as-is, due to the sheer length of the novel. This first episode introduced us to the world, and showed us the invasion of Sadogashima - an event we didn't get to see in the novel - and the bloodshed that inevitably follows as a result. The Japanese Navy failed to save the day, unfortunately, and a lot of TSF pilots also died. Artstyle was generic and bland; nothing really detailed. The animation itself was perfectly fine, and so is the art quality, but ultimately a bit disappointing when it comes to what we could've gotten. Still passable, however, and much better than the worst. I don't know how the main characters will be portrayed in the show storyline-wise, but I'm still hopeful that they can do something good with them, if a bit worried. As for the tone of the show, it seems as if they've got it right, veering towards the grimmer side of things. If I weren't a source material reader, I'd probably be quite content with this episode, since it's not bad and is actually quite enjoyable. Since I am indeed one, I've got my guard up. Really looking forward to see the next episode. Oh, and feel free to comment if you're an anime-only, don't let this become an echo chamber. |
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JanPri said: kohakufan2002 said: if this is bad CGI to you you really havent seen bad CGI... its probably gonna be a 2/10 For me bad CG means that you can clrearly see that the CG object/s are out of place in the scene.   Maybe if it would be entirely CG it wouldn't matter, but to have good CG it has to really blend in well with all other 2D elements. But if you think it's good, I don't want to argue here. Then your definition of bad CG is completely wrong, specially because people who actually work with CG can spot when something is 3d from a mile away, yet they don't go calling everything bad. |
| You guys are poisoned with negativity. This works great as a first episode, it introduces the tone, the setting, the warfare in an effective and concise manner would take litteral hours in the Vn. It also looks pretty great, the mechas look just as good as if they were fully hand drawn and the 3D allows for dynamic shots and complicated movements. The only point that isn't so great is the music. The game has a bombastic ost so I was expecting a bit more. But then the game had like 5 composers and this only has one afaik. Wasn't optimistic about this but this is up to a great start. (give us asu he no houkou pls and 0 gravity pls age) |
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| Almost teared at the end, the sound composition is excelent, and the pacing of the world ending was really great, i will not say anything about the plot with just one episode but looks promissing i can only hope that this will be not only one cour. |
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| Dissapointed af. BETA appearance in first episode ? That's the first mistake. In VN,there's no confrontation with a SINGLE BETA until halfway of the story. If you count Extra and Unlimited add with Alternative,that's probably 80+ hours in the story. Should start the story with this in the first place. But fuck they skip it to decisive Alternative already. That's defeat the whole purpose of Muv Luv.  |
barthosOct 6, 2021 7:09 PM
| Rance X is A GOAT. |
| First episode was... fine. Not the worst nor the best quality, fillery story (even though important for the plot), less deaths than I thought If I had to guess, first season will probably end around the most (in)famous scene, which should cut off story pretty well for the action-packed S2. Other possiblity is that they'll rush and somehow fit battle for Sadogashima hive for a contrast with ep1 While I agree, as I see, the problem here is that most of watchers are already familiar with BETAs either from VN or Total Garbage, which would negate shock from the first encounter anyway. And if they wanted to fill whole plot from the trilogy that would be other story, but this is Alternative adaptation, so, for me, this beginning is fine |
TATARI14Oct 6, 2021 8:05 PM
| The BETA looked horrible, but the TSFs looked pretty good. The actual story wasn't too great, but helps to give you some context to what's happening, since we don't have Unlimited to do that for us. It shows us what the BETA are, how big of a threat they are, and what a TSF is. Not much more, unfortunately, but it works. And for those people complaining about how 'The Mechs don't look that great cause they aren't that detailed', lemme give you 2 things: Mass-producibility and reliability. Having simplistic mechs reduces the cost, allows easier manufacturing and makes them more reliable (fewer points of failure). This was also the same in the VN, which made the story more immersive since it felt more realistic. I'd give the episode a 3/5. Let's just hope the latter episodes don't go any lower. |
GamingLiamStudioOct 6, 2021 8:11 PM
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| Those insert songs were spectacular. Huge potential; let's just hope it continues well. |
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| VN reader thoughts: watched the copied ep that was uploaded to YT with no audio. My main question is, why? why was this ep necessary? who are these people? damn anime only characters. Not happy. Death to anime. |
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| Whoah!!! I feel Pacific Rim vibes while watching this. 4/5 for the episode. Can't wait for more. |
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| Yeahh man, i know this will happens. And they confirmed with 12 episode make it more worst. Man..... |
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| I wasn't expecting them to not show the BETA until like the last half of alternative like the VN since there has already been many anime version of Muv luv(swarzmarken and TE) but honestly... they feel so underwhelming. It literally give none of the horror you feel in the VN except for the first apparence of the Fort-class which was done quite well tbh. I honestly even chuckled a bit when I noticed the ep is kinda a mix of attack on titan first ep and muv-luv total eclipse first ep. If they wanted to introduce the world to anime-only fan I wish they would have gone with another way. I still have no expectation but I'm hoping the fight get as dynamic as they were in the VN. |
Thai777Oct 6, 2021 11:27 PM
| Honestly speaking, I expected this to go a lot worse. Now granted, this first episode practically rips off AoT’s first episode lmao. O the irony. The CGI isn’t good, but it isn’t unbearable so whatever. I don’t like how the BETA were shown right from the start tho. I have no expectations so far. May surprise or disappoint me later on. |
NekoArc666Oct 6, 2021 11:20 PM
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| Surprisingly it was a good episode and start for the anime. Then again this was anime original content so there's that. More worried for next week though once it hits source material |
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illkyum said: You guys are poisoned with negativity. This works great as a first episode, it introduces the tone, the setting, the warfare in an effective and concise manner would take litteral hours in the Vn. It also looks pretty great, the mechas look just as good as if they were fully hand drawn and the 3D allows for dynamic shots and complicated movements. The only point that isn't so great is the music. The game has a bombastic ost so I was expecting a bit more. But then the game had like 5 composers and this only has one afaik. Wasn't optimistic about this but this is up to a great start. (give us asu he no houkou pls and 0 gravity pls age) it breaks the original flow of the story though. Up till chomp VN was pretty happy slice of life in a alternative universe story |
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| The great music distracted me from the eye-searing CGI aliens. It was hard to follow the story as someone who is new to Muv Luv. The pacing was just too fast, but if they're going to cover the VN in 12 episodes that is to be expected. Will give it three episodes. |
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Graciaus said: Nachotee said: it doesn't take anywhere near 150 hours to read. Aaaaand it's complete garbage. Man, my expectations were low, it's pretty much impossible to adapt 150hs of novel into a 12 episode anime, but how did we get from "hard to adapt", to "let's just throw a bunch of random shitty mecha battles with no context, a lot of who-cares characters to kill, and a bunch of military babble"?? This episodes captures absolutely NOTHING, I mean NOTHING AT ALL of what made the VN great. As a standalone thing, it would be just mediocre, however considering the source material, it's some of the worst things I've seen in a few years. This would have been a decent ova but for a first episode I don't know what they were going for. Pretty much, yeah, unless you rush/skip through dialogues/scenes and skip all voicelines. First novel is about 10-ish hours (depending on how many routes you do) 2nd <40hs and alt is ~80-90hs. Even just going by the (likely underestimated) length in vndb it's anywhere from 100 to 150hs depending on how slowly you go through them. |
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| As an anime-only with 0 knowledge on the series, this was pretty good ngl. I expected worse. Looks like humanity is on the verge of extinction at this pace. |
XenocrisiOct 7, 2021 2:00 AM
| As someone who's only seen the Total Eclipse anime this was quite fine. Could be just the nostalgia but we'll see. Maybe I should check TE out again. |
| Expected nothing, got even less. Would really recommend everyone to just go and read the visual novel, but yea, not everyone has 100+ hours or patience. Tho watching an anime of less value seems kind of a waste of time to me if you don't plan to experience the better work, but you be you and I have no say in anyone's decisions and nor do I care. However, I would like to know what was the purpose of this anime original episode? It tried to be an introduction but imo it failed greatly. Yea, they showed us the morbid world (which should have been done later, it would have been so much more devastating) but they didn't really do much. I would really like to know if anime onlys do actually understand what the hell is going on there. They used lot of words like TSF, hives, fortress, laser, soldier - class, even BETA, but they didn't explain any of this. Yes, it would be kind of info dump, even in the VN it was kind of like that, but throwing so many words and expecting people to follow that isn't a great strategy imo. That said, precisely because of this I would like to know anime onlya opinion about this cause I can't judge it. If they plan to introduce all of this later then tbh this first episode was quite useless. Also what are they planning to do with these new characters? I read they are from manga and spin offs, but will this be their last appearance or are they going to add more anime original scenes? (because there isn't already enough material right? /s) Or perhaps it's going to take a completely anime original turn? Tbh I don't really care, just curious what are they actually planning to do with this not so bright adaptation. I really liked the VN and it still haunts me, anime won't devalue my experience. If they can decently adapt the best scenes from the original source I will be more then happy. |
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lanphung said: Kahirama said: Expected nothing, got even less. Would really recommend everyone to just go and read the visual novel, but yea, not everyone has 100+ hours or patience. Tho watching an anime of less value seems kind of a waste of time to me if you don't plan to experience the better work, but you be you and I have no say in anyone's decisions and nor do I care. However, I would like to know what was the purpose of this anime original episode? It tried to be an introduction but imo it failed greatly. Yea, they showed us the morbid world (which should have been done later, it would have been so much more devastating) but they didn't really do much. I would really like to know if anime onlys do actually understand what the hell is going on there. They used lot of words like TSF, hives, fortress, laser, soldier - class, even BETA, but they didn't explain any of this. Yes, it would be kind of info dump, even in the VN it was kind of like that, but throwing so many words and expecting people to follow that isn't a great strategy imo. That said, precisely because of this I would like to know anime onlya opinion about this cause I can't judge it. If they plan to introduce all of this later then tbh this first episode was quite useless. Also what are they planning to do with these new characters? I read they are from manga and spin offs, but will this be their last appearance or are they going to add more anime original scenes? (because there isn't already enough material right? /s) Or perhaps it's going to take a completely anime original turn? Tbh I don't really care, just curious what are they actually planning to do with this not so bright adaptation. I really liked the VN and it still haunts me, anime won't devalue my experience. If they can decently adapt the best scenes from the original source I will be more then happy. Come on it wasn't really that bad. You don't go in this expecting Fate-level of adaption. I thought they managed to set the tone quite well and the TSF models looked decent, at least. I'm glad they infodumped the viewers since that's exactly what the VN did to me in the first read. I didn't expect fate-level adaptation. The first episode could have been certainly worse. But I still don't get the point of it. Why show all these characters which are irrelevant in this story? (maybe this question will be answered later by the anime itself). The tone was fine, however, it still didn't reach the point the VN did. Maybe they will later tho, or it's just purely my issue, that I can immerse more in VNs. Still can't forget how awful I felt while hearing all those dying unknown soldiers, truly dreadful. Anime compared to that wasn't that bad IMO. But we'll see. Also what infodump was here? There were just many words thrown around with no explanation. Or was it the same in the VN? (it's really like it that I just forgot, I only remember when all of this was properly explained which did happen later in the story). But that still doesn't change my point that this could have been done in this episode if they wanted an introduction, because if this is gonna be one cour it's likely we won't even reach that point of the story (well rushing is still possible, but information will be lost that way). Also if they wanted a tone introduction, they could have done some happy beginning and then the end twist that the world is under alien invasion. It would have been closer to what the trilogy was. But maybe that would have been bad, idk honestly. I'm curious about the next episode, since our main cast is going to appear. Honestly, I really want to know what do anime onlys think about this anime. And I would like if some of them gave the VN a try and then came back here and judged it that way. I believe these opinions are most helpful when it comes to adaptations that the source readros don't really enjoy. |
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