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| Wow, the story here is so much more engrossing than that of Revue Starlight! Did they ever say where this anime takes place? It's obviously in Takarazuka City, but I have yet to hear "Takarazuka." |
LucifrostJul 19, 2021 6:04 PM
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RakuennoTsubasa said: Marinate1016 said: It’s body shaming. She wasn’t even fat, she had gained like 5 pounds. And I don’t care how they look long as they can act. The teacher explains the reason clearly in the episode. I mean, according what you said, it's pretty obvious you view the scene from your own perspective (you can't see the difference and you don't care the 5 pounds) instead of more objective approach (from the perspective of kageki veiwers which is predominantly female, from the perspective of kageki professionals). I am not a kageki professional. I can't see the difference. Probably that's the difference between professional and regular people like you and me. Instead of making assumption that the teacher body shaming the girl, applying Occam's razor seems more reasonable. That's just my opinion. P.S. Kageki seems niche. It's viewer base seems really small. It's not comparable to mainstream viewer of anime and mainstream media such as anime. Kageki show's ticket price is probably far more expensive than crunchyroll/netflix subscription. I’m not reading all that. I said what I said, it’s not up for debate. |
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| I loved it and I have high hopes for this anime. I felt a bit sick and emotional but it's such a real portrayal of sexual trauma imo. Anyways, Ai did nothing wrong and I think she's perfect. |
RakuennoTsubasa said: You explained the reason of your opinion in the first reply (now I understand you way of thinking). I elaborated my reason for my opinion in the second reply (now you may understand my way of thinking). It would be a debate if you discuss the topic in your second reply. You have your own opinion, I don't care about that. I was just curious about how you get to the conclusion. End of conversation. Not reading that, anyway, read Kageki Shojo. |
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illailla said: I loved it and I have high hopes for this anime. I felt a bit sick and emotional but it's such a real portrayal of sexual trauma imo. Anyways, Ai did nothing wrong and I think she's perfect. Are you non-ironically fully justifying misandry just because it is caused by psychological trauma? |
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| Never would had thought I'd saw a hentai UB in my anime |
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| P.S. Forgot to post my own thoughts at the time like the idiot I am, but oh well... And sorry beforehand if I tick off anyone here... If this sort of writing was implemented a bit later on in the story, when stuff has been properly built up for the characters to make me care more about them, I would've been more empathetic with Narata and her trauma. Sadly, for someone easily jaded like me, no offense, this just wasn't the good timing, and it instead felt a very nasty bitter taste for me. I got physically mad instead, and my impressions of the series took a hit as a result. Not like everything's totally lost for me with this series, but eeeesh, it felt too much like a in-your-face sort of deal and not something I would necessarily call genuine. Additionally, considering that it utilizes very sensitive stuff like bullying and pedophilia, it was more like a red flag to me. However, this seems like a pro-feminist series, so I can see it resolved fairly easily next episode, for better or worse. |
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Ryuseishun said: P.S. Forgot to post my own thoughts at the time like the idiot I am, but oh well... And sorry beforehand if I tick off anyone here... If this sort of writing was implemented a bit later on in the story, when stuff has been properly built up for the characters to make me care more about them, I would've been more empathetic with Narata and her trauma. Sadly, for someone easily jaded like me, no offense, this just wasn't the good timing, and it instead felt a very nasty bitter taste for me. I got physically mad instead, and my impressions of the series took a hit as a result. Not like everything's totally lost for me with this series, but eeeesh, it felt too much like a in-your-face sort of deal and not something I would necessarily call genuine. Additionally, considering that it utilizes very sensitive stuff like bullying and pedophilia, it was more like a red flag to me. However, this seems like a pro-feminist series, so I can see it resolved fairly easily next episode, for better or worse. This is shoujo. Do you expect a shoujo manga adaptation to be offensive to women? Not to mention, the show shows it all in an apparently unfriendly manner. |
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| Kinda dark episode for such a show |
| I have a feeling the fan just wanted to apologize for ruining her career. But that man her mother is dating. Disgusting. Tonguing a little girl like that! Wtf! Yet the worst is the mother! How can you leave your daughter alone with a man you barely know! And she even called you to tell you something and you don't listen?! What if she was raped? TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE. And you know she knows what men can be like so how could she?! Does she care at all about her daughter. I'm fuming. |
Vludi said: Definitely getting old-school shoujo vibes, not bad as long as it develops the characters in a reasonable way and doesn't turn into a soap opera. Ai is such an unlucky girl, so hope the show doesn't do the typical japanese thing of 100% responsibilizing the victim for her trauma, while the enablers get a free pass for the sake of status quo. On a side note regarding the "fat" incident, it's kind of funny how the women in the show want to cultivate their own distinctive sense of value around the theater to stay away from the pressure of male expectations, but at the same time they are just as pushy/opressive as "male entertainment" by wanting them to be skeletons. Personally, I have never seen anime show where the victim is made completely to blame for her trauma. Can you name any? In terms of theater, Takarazuka has a predominantly female audience. That is, you call it "male expectations" even when it comes from women. |
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| Ai's backstory was quite disturbing and now it makes sense as to why she hates men so much but judging a person based on their looks is still rude. Specially in this case since it doesn't look like the guy she called a creep is actually a bad guy. Anyway, once again Sarasa was great in this episode. I really like her positivity and trying to be of help to others even to someone like Ai who keeps brushing her off. |
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Vludi said: RobertBobert said: Personally, I have never seen anime show where the victim is made completely to blame for her trauma. Can you name any? In terms of theater, Takarazuka has a predominantly female audience. That is, you call it "male expectations" even when it comes from women. Well to be honest some fall into complete victimism (the ones that go for shock value mostly), but when the drama tries to be more serious they often focus just on the individual's weakness while trivializing social issues, recurring to armchair psychology to "toughen up" (or recurring to emotional dependence if it's romance), instead of asking for professional help (mental health is taboo in Japan after all). Some of Kyoani or Mari Okada's stuff come to mind. RobertBobert said: In terms of theater, Takarazuka has a predominantly female audience. That is, you call it "male expectations" even when it comes from women. eh read again, what I meant is they go to Takarazuka as a way to stay in a "women's world", some kind of liberation, yet their strict demands and pressure aren't that different from regular "male" entertainment. I think this is a misunderstanding, which is caused by the difference in psychological trends in the United States and the rest of the world. In Japan and my Russia, for example, it is believed that a person should work to correct their psychological problems, while in the USA, as far as I know, psychologists often indulge their patients' problems too much, placing them in a dome instead of treatment. Well, here you are faced with typical gender double standards, where the same thing is perceived as toxic masculinity on the part of a man and as feminine strictness on the part of a woman. |
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Vludi said: RobertBobert said: I think this is a misunderstanding, which is caused by the difference in psychological trends in the United States and the rest of the world. In Japan and my Russia, for example, it is believed that a person should work to correct their psychological problems, while in the USA, as far as I know, psychologists often indulge their patients' problems too much, placing them in a dome instead of treatment. I'm not from the USA but I get what you mean. I believe in balance however, to me the japanese seem to be overly demanding on the individual for problems that often have a more social/contextual magnitude. For example if you can't put up with abusive working conditions you are likely seen as a savage/lazy/bad worker, and they truly believe that it's 100% your fault. If you have depression you'll most likely be seen as weak, worthless human being, even worse if you seek mental care. I agree that the individual should always be responsible for his life, but I also think you can't just forget/trivialize contextual factors. The Japanese are a very collectivist nation, so this is understandable. On the other hand, phobias like Ai literally destroy social life and only get worse over the years, so it's really better to fix it as soon as possible, rather than groom it. Unfortunately, this topic is highly politicized nowadays, especially in the media space. For example, the most famous Russian feminist first became famous (infamous, of course), among other things, because of her words that it is justified to hate all men if you had some kind of negative experience with a couple of them. |
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Vludi said: RobertBobert said: The Japanese are a very collectivist nation, so this is understandable. On the other hand, phobias like Ai literally destroy social life and only get worse over the years, so it's really better to fix it as soon as possible, rather than groom it. Unfortunately, this topic is highly politicized nowadays, especially in the media space. For example, the most famous Russian feminist first became famous (infamous, of course), among other things, because of her words that it is justified to hate all men if you had some kind of negative experience with a couple of them. Yeah of course trauma can lead to mental problems and black/white mentality, which is why seeking justice is just as important as seeking mental health. We'll see how things turn out in the anime. Well, at least this show is clearly not going down the path of that bunch of offensive seinen yuri/yuri bait where trauma or even just teenage fear of men is exploited to separate female characters from men. |
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| Her generalizing of men is just plain stupid. |
PsychedeliosJul 30, 2021 10:09 PM
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| Now Ai's disgust towards men is understandable. I hope she gets to understand that not everyone is same |
| well i was not expecting to feel that awful after watching this and it didn't really chill even till the end...sheesh i knew she'd have some reason for having the typical hate men trope but it's understandable why now even if it's extreme and flawed but she was traumatized at such a young age with not much help outside of her uncle. judging by some of the reactions seems like your average weeb won't end up liking this show,but im sold since despite it's cute simple art style it ant fucking around |
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| i feel you, sa survivors watching this ep man i didn't expect this. hit hard |
| see you, space cowperson . . . |
| What a realistic episode, I loved every second of it. The moment that pedophile showed up, I felt uneasy through the whole episode. Hopefully it maintains the same maturity. |
| I guess that stepdad hid his true colors well and the creepiness we witnessed was from Ai's pov. Still, can't help but wonder why her mom went for this guy out of all people. Well, no matter the reason, living with him turned from uncomfortable to a traumatizing experience that ruined Ai's life as she's still suffering from it. I symphatize with her to a certain degree, yet I can't deny that her ideology that was born from a coping mechanism isn't just harmful to herself but to others as well. For instance that stalker who's apparently not as bad as his appearance was supposed to suggest. Following Ai was admittedly a terrible idea and even tho it probably wouldn't have done much considering her misandry, he could've at least cared a bit more about his appearance. That said, it's interesting to see this chain of unfortunate events. Then we had the scene with the teacher. There's a lot I could say about nutrition, aesthetics and performance, but I'm looking forward to see how this show is gonna handle it. All the stuff is pretty heavy handed and reminds so much of traditional shoujo drama, which I really enjoy. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| Ew, that old creep kill it! |
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| Well, now we understand her reason for disliking men so much. Such a terrible expierence with men in the past made her hate them a lot. And, it's understandable. There are a lot of scums out there but the same goes for women. It just depends on who you meet. Anyway, Sarase looking out for her is what makes her such a beautiful character. A bit too loud but a energetic and friendly person who'll help anyone in need. Dio's voice makes the anime x100 better |
SideCharacterKalSep 4, 2021 3:05 PM
   “You yourself have to change first, or nothing will change for you!” ' |
| Expected another lighthearted episode but damn this hit hard in my feels with this truly messed up past which no person should go through. Poor Narata, no wonder she has androphobia. That f*cking pedophile Seiji should be in prison and her Mother should lose custody for child neglect. Glad that uncle Taichi, despite limited in his ways, was there to help her out with getting a door lock and providing emotional support. |
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| Well, that was disgusting. And sadly, her piece of shit of a mother was pretty realistic. Only thing bothering me - why didn't Ai call Taichi that evening when... you know. Why didn't she said her mother that motherfucker molested her? Most unrealistic. |
| i like how the mom gets mad at the lock rather than using her small ass brain to connect the dots on why ai wanted a goddamn lock on her door in the first place lol. i swear to god these people shouldn't be allowed to keep kids if they're going to be this willy nilly oblivious. i skip the opening every time but the ending... is so good... can't skip it at all... |
| Wow, I have a lot of feelings about this one. To be honest actually *showing* the assault perpetrated on Ai wasn't ideal imo. Of course it makes us really understand the causes of Ai's trauma, but I feel like it could have just been implied and the audience would have been able to pick up on it. As is, it was (probably unecessarily) hard to watch and it could possibly be triggering for some victims of sexual abuse. I think it's a bit unfortunate because the rest of the episode was depicting Ai's trauma in a rather realistic way that other victims could relate to. Otherwise it was a solid episode. The fantasy that Ai had about killing all those men might seem extreme if you've never suffered from that, but I feel like that's not too uncommon among women that were victims of sexual abuse. It's just more frowned upon to have these fantasies of revenge, so seeing this here in this episode was refreshing to me. There's also a lot that could be said about women who internalize these very strict ideas about what an "ideal body" should look like. An all-girl group with an audience made primarily of women could have been a "safe space" for them to be free of comments and judgements over their bodies, but here it ends up enforcing strict ideals that are just as harmful. I think it's interesting that the characters who are more acquainted with the industry are used to it and just view it as "normal", whereas Sarasa who doesn't have this background is able to see how that's wrong. I wonder if the stalker somehow feels guilty about Ai being fired from the group after her interaction with him, since it seems like she was his favorite from the idol group. Maybe he wants to talk to her to apologize? Or maybe he just feels entitled to have access to her? Anyway that gave me a lot to think about, and I really want to watch the rest of the show. |
| That was intense and was anxious hoping things didn't get worse for Ai and then the scene with teacher calling the other girl fat, not a single moment to be calm. |
| Watching Ai's story unfold felt like seeing a mirror of how I've experienced abuse from adults. Her reaction is so real, it almost hurts seeing how she closed her heart to men/trusting people ever again. I'm excited to see how the rest of this anime! |
| desu desu binches |
| The true horror of this is how often it happens in real life. Mother has a child, dad is out of the picture, mother brings another man in the house and he preys on her kids. In the midst of her bad luck, Ai was lucky that he didn't do something even worse to her, especially since she didn't have a lock for her door before Taichi gave her one. |
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