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| I am confused and found this slightly boring, but I bet shit will go down next up, so I'm excited about that. #lolilivesmatter #justiceforsatoko #endsatokoabuse |
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| aight since nobody mention this what the hell that Ooishi doing in the last scene? Did he just comeback from teppei residence or what? he's so sus i don't like the way this going on..... Maybe |
| Hm, I dunno, this episode was kinda underwhelming to me and I can't really point out why :/ It wasn't bad or anything, don't get me wrong, but it felt like smth was missing. Also (and I'm suprised no one has talked about this): |
There's no possible way you can steal my heart    I want to drown in this sweet Melancholy |
I think that was Rika talking in her head since no one else reacted to those words. |
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StormxNightmare said: All characters are influenced by their actions in the past fragments, I assume them not questioning Rika's words is done for the benefits of the narrative since they can't halt the story... even if in the original her adult voice and behaviors did freak people out...Hm, I dunno, this episode was kinda underwhelming to me and I can't really point out why :/ It wasn't bad or anything, don't get me wrong, but it felt like smth was missing. Also (and I'm suprised no one has talked about this): |
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random_weirdo said: astroprogs said: It's not really a trope here. CWS can't find any physical evidence on the abuse, so if the victim at least confessed, they'd have a leg to stand on to force an investigation and probably further actions. If even the victim doesn't give them a hand and there's no physical proof of abuse, their hands are legally tied. Any action against the uncle wouldn't stand in a legal court if sued, and that's assuming an action would be authorized with this total lack of evidence in the first place. Unless the uncle slips up and leaves a mark on Satoko's body, It sucks, but Satoko is the only one who can save herself from that situation. I don't know, I always found there were plenty of reasons to take Satoko into preventive custody, the foremost of all (and the one they never actually mention) being Satoko's breakdown in class. I mean, come on, when a girl is having an episode like that three days after moving in with the uncle, it's pretty obvious from a medical and psychological standpoint that she is being traumatized at home. Not to mention the fact that third parties were reporting it, there were witnesses of Teppei being un-ideal to be a guardian, and (only in OG Tatarigoroshi) Satoko did have bruises that couldn't have just been from tripping (I think she had one in her neck or shoulders). Besides, the logic of the CWS always seemed very flawed to me. "We don't believe Satoko is being abused because she lied about it in the past. That's why we're disregarding a report from a third party who hasn't lied to us before. The only way we will believe it is if the girl who lied to us before tells us that she's being abused. Also, for some reason we can't separate her from the guardian who is suspected of abuse to ask that". I know that it had to be that way for Satoko to develop her character, but that doesn't mean it isn't stupid. That being said, I know that Ryukishi used to work for the government in things like this and saw first hand similar cases, so if anything it's more a show of how bad things were in 1983 rural Japan than the writer's fault. I think the issue is that there isn't a single reliable witness in that case. It's not a secret that the CWS knows that the people of Hinamizawa hate the Hojos, and therefore any suspicion on the uncle's character from the people who considered his family the village's traitors and enemies wouldn't exactly be unbiased. The other witnesses are a bunch of kids at her school. Kids, in general, aren't reliable witnesses for a myriad of reasons. The only people at the school whose word would carry weight are Chie and the headmaster, and both have neither witnessed the abuse nor the breakdown in class. If they were brought in to testify, they can't really say they witnessed any wrongdoing. But yeah, I'm not saying that their course of action is right, I'm saying that they're limited by the insufficient laws and bad circumstances (like Satoko's own track record and the Hojo's reputation). |
astroprogsDec 10, 2020 7:11 PM
Accelise_ said: Lmao, wtf these voice actors, so garbage. I'm sorry? Higurashi's main cast are some of the highest regarded voice actors in the industry. |
| It's really funny how Rika simply covers her ears when Satoko started panicking like "I'm really, really tired of this brat". Ofc she doesn't express that to the others, but it's obviously she's trying to save HER fate. Changing Satoko's fate is just means to an end. |
Accelise_ said: astroprogs said: I'm sorry? Higurashi's main cast are some of the highest regarded voice actors in the industry. Then they are not doing their job well. It's not nice for a 9 or 10-year-old girl's voice to change. Did you miss the part that Rika is actually more than a hundred years old? She's literally the oldest character in the show. Her voice needs to reflect that when she drops the facade and shows her true age and mental maturity. |
| Shion was the real MVP in this episode, she was the one who actually decided to do something immediately. They forget that in these situations, time is critical! Every day she will be getting worse and worse...until the inevitable happens, then it will be too late. The whole Satoko scene was so dark, damn. Yet it will probably get even worse... This whole episode was basically Keiichi and others saying; >we are going to help >how? >idk, let's keep asking the CWS to take care of the situation (when it's clear that they won't do anything) >Satoko dies >omg how did this happen omggg Like for real, when I've seen Shion being so badass i was like "finally, this is it", but nope. I really hope that i am wrong and their plan is the best possible route to save Satoko. |
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Accelise_ said: What? You think the VA decided on her to do that voice? It's a directorial choice and regardless of what you feel, the voice actor is incredibly competent.astroprogs said: I'm sorry? Higurashi's main cast are some of the highest regarded voice actors in the industry. Then they are not doing their job well. It's not nice for a 9 or 10-year-old girl's voice to change. AivanK said: Shion was the real MVP in this episode, she was the one who actually decided to do something immediately. Shion's actions are absolutely reckless and moronic, you are supposed to admire her determination and strong will, but you are not suppose to cheer her as she tries to become a murder and ruin her own life. |
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| I enjoy Rika's moments so much hahaha. Also that part when Chie-sensei saw K1 doing his speech and Rika just calls her teacher "Chie" made me laugh so hard hahahaha. Just goes to show who dominates who lol. |
| Like when Higurashi turns into a drama. Now seriously, I'm actually enjoying the development of this current arc and seeing Keiichi taking a more active role without acting like an idiot in the process is such a joy to witness. His discussion with Shion and explanation regarding the cons of killing Teppei were so on point as well. Shion going full psycho with the chair ruined the built-up tension a bit tho. So they are planning to put the whole village against Teppei, uh? At first glance, it sounds like a plausible way of action but we will see how that unfolds. |
Comander-07 said: compared to the original this show feels almost innocent. Its nice not beeing as straight forward as the OG to keep the suspense but considering Higurashi is kinda hardcore this is way too tame. Haunt-bot said: Getting a bit too positive and idealistic for my tastes This is how R07 writes. Scenes of light hearted fun or hopeful scenes followed by scenes of crushing despair.  |
AkA474Dec 11, 2020 7:20 AM
| Woahh... What a powerful episode... When Shion mentioned about killing Teppei, Keiichi got that flash memories again (i think i understand what those flash memories are) My Man Keiichi Speech bring all the classmates together to save Satoko-chan... |
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Accelise_ said: Lmao, wtf these voice actors, so garbage. It'll be a fairly underrated series. Wake up boy... Lol |
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SkyLETV said: It still freaks me out when Rika puts on her serious, deep voice. They are all just used to that adult voice? lol. Also, once again it comes to the question, how much can Rika intervene? Because those words about fate make it seem as if she is aware of everything but for some reason she stands aside and lets things flow and let Keiichi be the protagonist. Speaking of Keiichi, I really liked him in this episode, not to mention Shion. That confrontation between them at the beginning was quite tense. With that said... FUCK CWS! Watch again the beginning of episode 2, u will understand |
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Accelise_ said: astroprogs said: I'm sorry? Higurashi's main cast are some of the highest regarded voice actors in the industry. Then they are not doing their job well. It's not nice for a 9 or 10-year-old girl's voice to change. Rewatching beginning of Episode 2, u will understand |
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astroprogs said: Accelise_ said: Then they are not doing their job well. It's not nice for a 9 or 10-year-old girl's voice to change. Did you miss the part that Rika is actually more than a hundred years old? She's literally the oldest character in the show. Her voice needs to reflect that when she drops the facade and shows her true age and mental maturity. Yeah I'm not surprised people forget that fact... |
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| Wait so this is basically Minagoroshi? Lmao wtf is going on. |
Jin_uzuki said: SkyLETV said: Rika's conduct has been incredibly frustrating after that scene at the beginning of Ep. 2, I'm not really sure R07 is going to justify that. It still freaks me out when Rika puts on her serious, deep voice. They are all just used to that adult voice? lol. Also, once again it comes to the question, how much can Rika intervene? Because those words about fate make it seem as if she is aware of everything but for some reason she stands aside and lets things flow and let Keiichi be the protagonist. Speaking of Keiichi, I really liked him in this episode, not to mention Shion. That confrontation between them at the beginning was quite tense. With that said... FUCK CWS! Rika was always passive as fuck tbh. She almost always let Keiichi do all the heavy lifting and just support him from the side when he fail here and there. She's fully convinced that only he can pull a miracle and save people She literally call herself powerless in this episode. |
| The Satoko situation is frankly blown out of proportion to some extent. I mean, I don't wanna call out Ryokishi judgment since he used to work with social services and know better than men, but the extent to how useless the child services are portrayed is mind-numbing, I mean it's a given fact that an abuse victim won't speak out when they are being abused so badly and threatened, especially for a kid. The fact that a girl had a breakdown mid-class and how her teacher came to report said case is STILL dismissed is hilarious. Also, the cast treats killing her uncle as the only other solution is also absurd. You can scare/threaten him or smth. This is a village in mid of nowhere in the 80's you can probably assult him at night and get away with it after you threaten him to village. |
Devil_Slayer said: Jin_uzuki said: Rika's conduct has been incredibly frustrating after that scene at the beginning of Ep. 2, I'm not really sure R07 is going to justify that. Rika was always passive as fuck tbh. She almost always let Keiichi do all the heavy lifting and just support him from the side when he fail here and there. She's fully convinced that only he can pull a miracle and save people She literally call herself powerless in this episode. In Higurashi she says she used to be more proactive in the very beginning (She even did a bunch of absurd stuff like trying to live in a forest), before the repeated loops wore her down. But this isn't really Rika anymore, it's the Rika that lives past Matsuribayashi, she herself said she wasn't going to just stand down in ep 2, so it's frustrating to see her leaving everything to Keiichi, even considering she can't do much as a 10 years old girl (Who still has a certain sociopolitical influence among the people of the vilage due to her family's history) Like the scene where she talks to Satoko alone and tells her to come home is incredibly mild. Also, the cast treats killing her uncle as the only other solution is also absurd. You can scare/threaten him or smth. This is a village in mid of nowhere in the 80's you can probably assult him at night and get away with it after you threaten him to village. Teppei is really not the type that gets easily scared and they have Ooishi on their asses who is still investigating the village and the past murders. But one of the themes R07 wanted to write in this arc was how violence is wrong and leads to ruining not only your "victim" life but also your own life, hence K1 stress how important it is to "play by the rules" (It's also a really large sociopolitical commentary on abuse and bureaucracy using R07's own experience in the field). It largely exists to subvert the other arcs where they use violence to solve their problems and things always go bad. |
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Jin_uzuki said: Devil_Slayer said: Rika was always passive as fuck tbh. She almost always let Keiichi do all the heavy lifting and just support him from the side when he fail here and there. She's fully convinced that only he can pull a miracle and save people She literally call herself powerless in this episode. In Higurashi she says she used to be more proactive in the very beginning (She even did a bunch of absurd stuff like trying to live in a forest), before the repeated loops wore her down. But this isn't really Rika anymore, it's the Rika that lives past Matsuribayashi, she herself said she wasn't going to just stand down in ep 2, so it's frustrating to see her leaving everything to Keiichi, even considering she can't do much as a 10 years old girl (Who still has a certain sociopolitical influence among the people of the vilage due to her family's history) Like the scene where she talks to Satoko alone and tells her to come home is incredibly mild. Also, the cast treats killing her uncle as the only other solution is also absurd. You can scare/threaten him or smth. This is a village in mid of nowhere in the 80's you can probably assult him at night and get away with it after you threaten him to village. Teppei is really not the type that gets easily scared and they have Ooishi on their asses who is still investigating the village and the past murders. But one of the themes R07 wanted to write in this arc was how violence is wrong and leads to ruining not only your "victim" life but also your own life, hence K1 stress how important it is to "play by the rules" (It's also a really large sociopolitical commentary on abuse and bureaucracy using R07's own experience in the field). It largely exists to subvert the other arcs where they use violence to solve their problems and things always go bad. Tbh Rika's unwavering faith in Keiichi is kinda part of her character post Tsumoborshi arc. She idolized him as a hero in other routes that the anime doesn't cover I mean, she does take actions here and there but all are very minor which is indeed weird. |
| Personally I liked Shion’s proposed solutions to the issue at hand. I know it goes against one of the central themes of Higurashi, but I’d love to see Teppei in the Sonozaki’s personal playroom for an extended period of time. |
jaw20 said: is he somehow involved differently than in the original? I started rewatching the old show and that one felt less tame. I mean crazy things are still happening here but they feel so seperated from the rest. Its hard to describe when both have nearly the same plotComander-07 said: compared to the original this show feels almost innocent. Its nice not beeing as straight forward as the OG to keep the suspense but considering Higurashi is kinda hardcore this is way too tame. Haunt-bot said: Getting a bit too positive and idealistic for my tastes This is how R07 writes. Scenes of light hearted fun or hopeful scenes followed by scenes of crushing despair. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| I think Ryuukishi07 only started to get involved in the old anime during the second season. That is why they had to do an anime original arc: Yakusamashi-hen, when he pointed out all the things that the first season missed. Bureaucracy is always frustrating. Government workers have to follow procedures or they risk losing their jobs, and most people are too lazy to change those procedures even if they don't work. |
Nemesis2005Dec 11, 2020 5:56 PM
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Comander-07 said: jaw20 said: is he somehow involved differently than in the original? I started rewatching the old show and that one felt less tame. I mean crazy things are still happening here but they feel so seperated from the rest. Its hard to describe when both have nearly the same plotThis is how R07 writes. Scenes of light hearted fun or hopeful scenes followed by scenes of crushing despair. I think he goes a bit too heavy on the so-called hopeful scenes. The tone difference between higurashi in its SoL moments versus its everything's-going-to-shit moments is too jarring to be a good contrast imo. |
| We going full Minagoroshi now bois. Though there are a lot of things that could go wrong still. Oishi be walking there menacingly. Great episode, I have no clue how this is going to end and I am hype for it. |
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| I feel like this is going to be some sort of Minagoroshi go wrong type of thing. Basically, Rika's hopes are most likely to be broken again. |
| Minagoroshi with a twist, then, got it. We just have to wait until someone died or something that doesn't involve one particular group for the "deceiving" part to happen. Refreshing to see part of Mina in Gou, but then what would be the answer arc for Tataridamashi(if there's any) later on? Unless there's only 1 answer arc planned for all of the previous arcs. |
Accelise_ said: astroprogs said: Did you miss the part that Rika is actually more than a hundred years old? She's literally the oldest character in the show. Her voice needs to reflect that when she drops the facade and shows her true age and mental maturity. It doesn't matter. I don't care if the actors are good or not. The way that they're saying is so stupid. There's a reason why this happens. It's not a mistake of voice actors, it will be explained later. I don't know if there could be a better way to show it to us but |
| ok episode. I doubt that K1 will be able to convince the CWS even if everyone in town was with him. So I'm guessing that Shion will kill Teppei instead |
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| It sucks that child services can't do shit. If I was a friend of hers I would do way worse to her uncle. |
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smallpox said: the va's are alright, it's the directing. rika looking at a bunch of elementary schoolers and suddenly going glowy-eyed and dropping some deep voice line about fate straight up made me laugh. i can't take this anime seriously anymore, it's a parody of itself. shame. It's pretty in-character for Rika, though. You have to keep in mind that Rika isn't all there and that her "experience" made her considerably crazy and unstable. |
| Interesting deviation this episode. They decided to hint at Minagoroshi this ep where instead of pleading for help from Oryo, and rallying the townspeople, they get the kids involved in a similar manner. Keiichi also doesn’t follow what he did in Tatarigoroshi this ep (ie. taking it all upon himself). The twist of this arc may be Ooishi this time around... we shall see! |
Comander-07 said: jaw20 said: is he somehow involved differently than in the original? I started rewatching the old show and that one felt less tame. I mean crazy things are still happening here but they feel so seperated from the rest. Its hard to describe when both have nearly the same plotThis is how R07 writes. Scenes of light hearted fun or hopeful scenes followed by scenes of crushing despair. He wrote the base unadapted script for Gou. Said he had a phone book of a script that he sent the director and screenplay director. |
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