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| NGL they got me for a sec there but I fucking knew it that she was in cahoots with Laurent. Thou that last part was unexpected, kinda sad Edamura turned himself in. Really lovin this, might become one of my favs. |
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Nice "original" insult you got there, i don't think you even know what it means, so try harder.. Prove everyone's points that you don't even watch it and just throw flame everywhere because studio hurt your puny feelings, you and your people's tears are delicious.. |
Crocospect22Jun 11, 2020 1:21 AM
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HistoriaYeager said: Crocospect22 said: Nice "original" insult you got there, i don't think you even know what it means, so try harder.. Prove everyone's points that you don't even watch it and just throw flame everywhere because studio hurt your puny feelings, you and your people's tears are delicious.. jesus christ that's like the most robotic response I've ever read. Nah still lame, try harder..  |
Crocospect22Jun 12, 2020 8:58 AM
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| Okay I didn't expect quite that development but that was pretty slick. Pretty interesting anime in general so far tbh |
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| Alright, I initially thought this might get interesting and I genuinely liked all the characters, but... how hard they're trying to be unpredictable is ironically getting predictable and annoying. I also don't buy how Makoto changes his behavior so quickly and conveniently. Before he's a super confident con man, but other times he's all afraid and sweating at the first trouble he encounters? This characterization isn't really that much believable to me. As I said in the beginning, the plot is constantly trying to throw as many twists as possible, at the cost of credibility and logic. I'm gonna continue watching since entertainment value is high as hell and I really dig the artsyle/chara design (plus the characters are so fucking hot), however I hope it starts to stick to a more straightforward and credible storyline in the next arcs. |
| I really loved this story arc. I had suspected "Paula" was in on the whole scheme since the episode started, I knew Laurent would have been on top of things and had his own inside man as well. So, I was expecting the twist, but it was still really cool to see it play out. Meeting Edamura at the beginning of this arc, and seeing what kind of man he is. He grew so much over this small amount of time. In the beginning, he called himself the "best con-man in Japan" because he was basically the big fish in a tiny pond. However, Laurent tricked him into leaving his tiny pond into a much bigger, global ocean, and he's not beginning to realize that he's not as good as he thought he was, and that there are much bigger fish out there, who can teach him a thing or two. Laurent and his gang are really like Robin Hood and his Merry Band, and it will be cool to see Edamura being able to join that band and grow. |
| My opinion can change in the future but up until this episode, I have nothing but respect for this anime for the following reasons: -it comes out in the middle of a world pandemic -it stands out from the rest of anime (although it does feel like a mix between Banana Fish and Black Lagoon with Catch Me If You Can and Ocean's Eleven) -it stands the score bombing from ignorant fanboys who think studios decide what they adapt next or that the studios own the series something when it's the hard and careful work they made with said series what made them beloved as they are, sure AOT was already a big IP but no one can denied its adaptation helped it greatly -it's an original product from its studio, something not that common nowadays, and it even has nothing to do with the style they were using so far -it's produced with the most care -since it's being released in such irregular ways, you get an episode almost everyday -and top of that it's good, and fun, not amazing or that well written obviously but for what it goes for, for now it's a good series Good job, long time since I was this positive, I hope it stays like this to the end, but with an ongoing plot. |
| This show got me good now. I would be suprised if it's not on my top 10 from this year |
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| I knew it, Cythia was part of Laurent's gig and Edamura got punked again. |
| Loved the first five episodes. It's like a combination of Lupin III, Baccano, Bungou Stray Dogs, Breaking Bad, etc. It's not a perfect series, a lot of things that happened were predictable but that doesn't mean I didn't enjoy the episodes as they were. I figured Cynthia was with Laurent and Abby and that the latter two weren't dead at all while it was unfolding but I still liked it. The only thing I didn't quite understand was why Edamame turned himself in and the money unless he wants live a righteous life and track down criminals from now on or has some other plan. Glad Salazar and his boy are alright because they were my faves. Still seeing a lot of bitter AOT fans in the comments. Ya'll really need to read up about what the staff have to endure before complaining or perhaps buy blurays by the dozens to support the industry. |
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| Clearly not strong at the plot here. Too much stuff suddenly happening. And too much suspension of disbelief required. I mean ... that was too easy to fool the detective guy and playing as a fake FBI agent. For the cool moments and the stun stuff ... it is watachable for me. 8/10 for now. I had expected less pure action+ fun and a bit more depth to the plans they use to deceive others. |
| What was that Operation FBI Buyoff they mentioned in the end? |
| This was fabulous. I looooove the animation and this arc was a lot of fun. Looking forward to the next sting. |
| When they died, boy that's when I knew this was all according to keikaku, It was so well executed holy fuck. How the hell did she pass herself has Paula Dickens like that so easily. Happy to see Salazar live a happy life with his son, and Edamura going to serve time huh? Fantastic finale to this arc. |
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| I was not expecting that twist with the "FBI"! But a little part of me kinda knew Laurent and Abby weren't really dead. It seemed too soon. |
| The dude almost lost his life and yet returns the money, guild is a bitch |
 Behold of my awesomeness~ controversial and/or sensitive topics likely devolve into the same repetitive, derogatory, abusive, and harassing comments can no longer be posted. But my feels. |
| Anything referencing Breaking Bad gets a A in my book. |
"ドSではない。迢ドSだ." - 蘇芳先生、月華撩乱 Romance |
AbsurdTurk said: Why is everyone picking on @HistoriaYeager? Why do people get upset whenever someone gives a negative opinion in a midst of positive opinions? Just accept your differences in opinions, and move on. To answer your question, that guy had been spamming hatred comments in everything that related to WIT studio after their announcement of not working on AoT project anymore, and turn those insults slowly become an obsess to despise and hate them, which is why many people doubt he even watched this show in first place. I value negative opinion on something i like if they have reasonable arguments to back up their opinion and those i truly appreciate, but i don't think words like "absolutely boring" has meaning to put on the table unless someone explain it further why is it boring or why is it bad, after all forum was made for that kind conversation right? You said someone should try accept the difference in opinion, but you should also accept the fact not everyone have to agree for what another person say as long he doesn't give anything to make other people believe why the show is bad according to him, people free to respond anything they want as well, even on negative comments.. |
Crocospect22Sep 15, 2020 11:38 PM
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Dude, the guy's name is ""HistoriaYeager" which showing he is a huge fan of AoT series, even his favorite anime and manga is AoT, he WAS WIT studio fan.. There are tons of AoT fans out there tried to boycott WIT studio's next projects after their announcement, the proof is when this anime had suffered rating 1 spam back then even before the anime was aired, and you can see his forum history as well.. He doesn't hate WIT for their anime, he hates WIT because they don't make AoT anymore.. Most people don't have the time or energy to spend 3+ paragraphs justifying their opinion on a cartoon. No, this forum wasn't JUST made for people to write essays about their opinions, only for others to write "counter essays" to their opinions, resulting in endless essay arguments that go nowhere; this forum was also created for people to just state a basic opinion. If seeing people write out their simple opinions as, "I don't like this episode," causes negative reactions in you, then don't look at peoples' posts. If the guy bothers you so much, then just ignore him! Do you really think anyone's going to listen to complete strangers on the internet, especially when they're being condescending? You don't need to take a psych class to know this! The only reason you guys are picking a fight with the person, is because it's satisfying your desire for negativity; if you actually wanted the guy to stop "spamming negative opinions on WIT anime" you wouldn't be so damn condescending! Which is why like i said in my previous comment people free to respond anything they want as well even on negative comments, they like to write long ass paragraph to explain things? Sure, they only want to spread negative comments? Why not, but they have to know there will be people would respond on that nicely or the opposite, they only want to vote the episode? Go ahead, they are trolling? Sure thing.. It's internet after all where rules aren't as strict as real life. I mean here the example, i would totally forget this thing exist if you didn't respond to me telling me "to move on" after months in first place right? And you have RIGHT to do that, so do i and other people. "Do you really think anyone's going to listen to complete strangers on the internet, especially when they're being condescending?" Yes, i had so many decent conversations with some people who have opposite opinion as mine, some of them ended up with we understand prespective of each other, others ended up opposite as we keep stand on our own opinion but still respect each other, there are also cases where they went badly as well.. For that guy i just went with negative respond as he was famous in other forum as well even after people tried reasoning with him, so i don't really care about the outcome when responding it, because people had failed convincing him, so why would i be different? Which is why i only played along tag insult with insult.. I wasted time by doing that? Maybe, but i don't really that care in first place.. Have a nice day btw.. |
Crocospect22Sep 16, 2020 12:28 AM
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AbsurdTurk said: So basically what you're saying is, "Well, other people are being condescending, so why shouldn't I?" That is something people say when they are kids. I know you are much more intelligent and mature than that. STOP using other peoples' behaviors as justification for your behavior; be the better man (or woman, I don't know your gender), and just don't give a fuck, and move on; there's a lot of power in not giving a fuck. Where did the guy say he doesn't like WIT anymore because they don't make AoT? In fact, why do you even give a flying fuck? Why can't you act like an adult, and just ignore him? Why do people on the internet think, "Well, I can say whatever I want, so I'll say whatever I want to express myself," no, sometimes it's best not to say anything; sometimes it's best NOT to express yourself. I've learned there's power in not saying anything. There are plenty of people on this site I hate; so what do I do? I now completely ignore them, and am happy. Yeah, I COULD pick more fights with them, but I don't, because I'm sick of it. Why can't you just ignore people you don't like? I watch plenty of political Youtube videos that I want to comment on, but that's not a good idea, so I don't comment. "Yes, i had so many decent conversations with some people who have opposite opinion as mine, some of them ended up with we understand prespective of each other, others ended up opposite as we keep stand on our own opinion but still respect each other, there are also cases where they went badly as well.." Nope, in those other cases, you were being a pleasant human being which is why you were able to come to an agreement; you are not being a pleasant human being in this case. I don't think you understand the difference between, "Hey man, I disagree with your opinion, here's why," vs "Fuck you man, your opinion is stupid, and here's why." Why don't so many people online understand: if you're a pleasant human being in a convo, there's a much greater chance you'll get the other person to see from your PoV? That's why I try not to debate with people who are dicks; because it's them saying, "Fuck you man, I'm not going to try to agree with you," + it's unpleasant and cringe to be insulted over a Japanese cartoon. I know what you are trying to say, and not trying to be a dick but back again why should you care what other people do? They keep feeding the trolls or can't simply ignore anything they dislike? For example you dislike people doing smt like this, like me, but why instead ignoring my childish behavior you found a lot and you dislike you just keep pandering that trivial thing i had done until i admit i am wrong? "STOP using other peoples' behaviors as justification for your behavior" Okay sure, i already said many times in my previous comments i like doing decent debate with people on internet, sometimes i won in other time i accepted my lose, also i don't always insult or tease someone if there is no ground to justify what i did. I had been going into some forums related to WIT and always found this guy spouting his hates to WIT with i found some of the factors are unreasonable, i didn't respond anything to him back then, but then i found him again here and i thought a jest won't hurt, and he also probably "played" along with me.. If you think that's enough for you to perhaps conclude that i am a shitty adult in real life then idk else to do, since we both are stranger and i could careless what random people think about me just because some random shits i post on internet, and i do feel other people "might" feel the same, but well.. After all, i am not a perfect adult nor a saint.. "Where did the guy say he doesn't like WIT anymore because they don't make AoT? In fact, why do you even give a flying fuck? Why can't you act like an adult, and just ignore him?" Like i said, i met him a lot in other forums and his comments reflected that, that's just MY opinion, suit yourself to believe it or not. Also again, why you should care what i care? You could just simply tell me what not to do in your first opinion and perhaps move on by ignoring my long respond to you? You know that some people could be hard as a brick right? Won't that be much bothersome to you than just ignoring? You really think that i always respond to every people who have opposite opinion as mine just to make myself proud? If i want to do that i'll just go to twitter and boast my ego more by try "own" as many people i could, in fact it was merely a jest and you "perhaps" act like i am acting not capable as an adult over random things i posted in some random page, and if you have time to check my post history you would likely only find 2-3 things like that in my comments, i did a few childish things, but how could all of that decide anything.. "I've learned there's power in not saying anything." Good for you bro and i respect that.. Again as i said, i don't always insult someone everytime i had a chance, no, there are tons of time it's easy for me to ignore them as well, and if i had a chance i would just try to make it as a rational debate, and when things got heated most of the time i left the conversation. So one more just for clarification: No, i don't just jump to hatewagon and insult the shit of someone, and stop justify how do i act like in real life based on some random shits i did on internet because...you know it already, you know nothing about me as a person and so do i on you, there are more than that.. "That's why I try not to debate with people who are dicks; because it's them saying, "Fuck you man, I'm not going to try to agree with you," + it's unpleasant and cringe to be insulted over a Japanese cartoon." Notes taken, and i kinda agree with your vision, but you have your own reason and so do i, after all i don't think you are wrong from first place, also i still stand some of my points as well, but even tho you can reasoning with me, there is no way you could apply the same thing easily as well to other people because they have their own ground and their brick of wall, aside from anything thank you and once again have a nice day! |
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JakeAdams said: I disagree. I think Edamura is not so much as confident, but arrogant; when things go his way, he's confident, but he's not good at keeping his cool. I also disagree on the twists being predictable, or the logic not making sense. But I think I can understand why from the point of view of someone such as yourself, so many plot twists can get annoying. Uh, no, not really. He's introduced as a very confident man, can keep his cool even when with the old lady and everything without problems. And it's clear he has a lot of experience behind. But suddenly he starts sweating and having troubles with literally everyone? Oh, nevermind he goes back to confident con man. No, wait, he's actually fucking bad at it again! It's clear he's a character whose actions aren't natural, but in service to the plot. Therefore, when the plot demands X, Makoto does X, when it demands Y, he does Y (I know technically every piece of work is like this, Makoto is just blatantly obvious). I didn't say the twists by themselves were predictable. The inherent problem is that the series' attempts at throwing super epic twists one after the other are very transparent. Once you realise that, everything pretty much loses its point. They are meaningless twists, twists for the sake of twists, they don't really have any kind of storytelling or narrative purpose. And betraying the audience should absolutely have one. It's just like 'The boy who cried wolf', why should I care about what's happening, about these characters, about their feelings and even their deaths if it just could be some epic double-cross? To add to this, said twists are often also illogical or their setup/outcome is illogical. Let's take the very first one. We've told that Makoto's friend and the old lady were actually in cahoots, but then why the fuck we're shown him trying to scam her? Or the FBI (which wasn't really the FBI) thinking that revealing MC was the informer was a good idea. Obviously they did because they could get killed those two and MC would cry of sadness (even though before he didn't show any sign of being so attached to them, but whatever, right? the show isn't interested in being consistent). |
| Good first arc but a lot of things in this show is too convenient for Main characters to look smart and it's not realistic in some aspects I am enjoying it for what it is |
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| A wholesome finale for this arc if you ask me. I really like MC, I hope everything goes well to him from now on. |
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GreenEmu said: HistoriaYeager said: Absolutely boring. Nobody is going to take the opinion of an AoT fanboy who was crying nonstop about WIT studio seriously. I doubt you even watched it. Ratioed easily. Nice. |
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| Wahhhhhhhhh!!! So many things happen!!!! I love thisss episode! So many twist :D |
| Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. |
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| Quite the explosive episode overall and an entertaining conclusion to the rewatch of the Los Angeles Connection. Makoto was played by everyone (again), as Paula Dickins the FBI agent turns out to be a part of Laurent's gang and her name is actually Cynthia Moore, and she managed to turn the 10 million to a 100+ million dollars from Cassano + he got arrested too. Salazar also remains safe and gets to give up on being a gangster to become a real father to his son Tom. It was a complete win at every angle for Laurent's group, with the only real threat being Makoto himself because he did really have Cynthia at gunpoint for the fake killings of Laurent and Abigail. It was a nice touch too seeing Makoto pay all the money he made from the Cassano heist job to the police to repay the victims that he scammed from and turn himself in as well. He got put in his place and realized that he didn't have what it took to live the real crazy lives that Laurent and the others did, so he wanted to turn over a new leaf. Great episode and a great end to a great arc, despite some Cassano character issues and the plot at times feeling a tad stagnant. |
| Damnnn, so Paula Dickens over at the Cassano house is fake, and she's Laurent's partner, nice plot twist Wait, what is Edamura doing? he turned himself in to the police |
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| Well kinda figured out Paula Dickens was actually a scam artist. The 'death' of Laurent and Abby only made it even more apparent. No stupid person will take their gun out if the FBI agents are aiming at them. Dunno why Makoto decided to come in clean. How was he expecting to get out in 4 years? Also, is he gonna go to prison to be a better scam artist? So many questions. Anyways looks like Laurent is gonna wait for Makoto. |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
| As introductory arc, it was decent but this Grand Theft Auto-like conclusion was kinda lame. Surprise! They all were scammers and of course Laurent had it all controlled since the very beginning. Cynthia supplanting a well-known FBI agent and the police being stupid enough not to check identities was particularly forced, I must say. Makoto deciding to go back to Japan and give his part of the money to those innocent people he has scammed was the only remarkable thing about this episode. Anyways, hope next cases can be better. |
| The way Edamura consistently gets out-conned is incredible. This whole scheme may seem a little impossible, but hey, it's anime. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Lol that was a great twist! All's well that ends well, but wtf that ending! He just gave it all back?! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| Crazy twist to end such short arc, this definitely was a pleasant surprise The island full of con man is cool place to live at |
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