Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld Episode 11 Discussion

Aleph199X said:

This dumb bs again.
1. Kirito isn't a programmer, he literally pressed "convert immortal object" in the console.
2. Yes you finally understood what Kayaba's line about "overcoming the limitations of the system" meant. Kirito isn't the only one capable of doing this, he was just put in that situation. And before you say "that was explained properly", no, you just failed to put 2 and 2 together.

SAO discussions in this site have always been laughably bad when you have idiotic criticism like this but man. Why are you making a show that is making you that emotionally unwell?

robosapieo said:
Long time lurker; first post.

I'm no SAO hater but this is so incredibly nonsensical. Even if we ignore all the other MAJOR plotholes so far (like why is RATH using a medieval world with swords, magic and flying dragons as a model to train an AI to implement into the real world). It seems as though the rules established just a few episodes ago are already being broken.

I distinctly recall Vecta saying something like "The world we're seeing is NOT MADE OUT OF POLYGONS and cannot be experienced by someone not connected via their fluctlight" so how in the hell are all these American players able to log in? Did Critter somehow change the fundamentals of the program all by himself in just 10 hours? What the fuck

Maill said:


Underworld is based on The Seed, which means that players without STL can connect to it just by doing account conversion. The STL is only here to provides the full experience of Underworld. If you don't remember, The Seed was a progiciel created by Kayaba Akihiko (the creator of SAO) to create full-five virtual world.
Critter just resync the world to real-time and open the network to the world.

The goal of RATH is to create a "numeric spirit' that can be used as a bottom-up IA (I'll let you type that on Google).

Maill said:

Underworld is based on The Seed, which means that players without STL can connect to it just by doing account conversion. The STL is only here to provides the full experience of Underworld. If you don't remember, The Seed was a progiciel created by Kayaba Akihiko (the creator of SAO) to create full-five virtual world.
Critter just resync the world to real-time and open the network to the world.

The goal of RATH is to create a "numeric spirit' that can be used as a bottom-up IA (I'll let you type that on Google).

robosapieo said:

What constitutes "The full experience of Underworld"? Logically thinking, the fact that it doesn't inhibit pain is probably one of the main features. In that case, it makes things a bit inconsequential as Amuspheres wouldn't (or should I say SHOULD'NT) be able to simulate that, which makes things a bit inconsequential as Liz and co wouldn't have anything to worry about

Marinate1016 said:
War never changes:https://imgur.com/a/vx33Nts

The pain in Isakhan's eyes was heartbreaking to see. Imagine watching your friends wall to their deaths like that.

Another week, another masterful episode of SAO: WOU. Lisbeth's speech with Unlasting playing over it gave me absolute goosebumps and brought tears to my eyes. The virtual world can be just as real as the "real" world. What makes it real are the friends you make and the bonds you create.

Will definitely be sad to see SAO go on break after this, but I know the last episode will make it all worth it.


Volume 23 of the LN came in a couple of days ago, pre ordered the first Blu Ray of WOU which comes out on Christmas, great week for SAO.

Alicization is exploding.

LeLouch_Reborn said:
LOL what series are you watching

DLDrillNB said:
This episode was probably meant to be a heartfelt one with some sort of emotional gathering of the community that'll then save the day.
I won't talk about Liz's speech because I skipped it.

If we ignore all the factual issues that have already been mentioned, I feel like any rationality was just dropped in this episode. I felt a huge disconnect when they showed the real world scene of the U.S. where the people started talking about dismembering like it was some kind of revolutionary concept in video games. The voice acting was horrid, but even the script writing in that scene was nonsensical. All the previous SAO games had realistic violence, but it's like they didn't care enough to write something different. I honestly can't see the reasoning behind that scene.

I'm sure someone has also mentioned this previously, but I'm getting a little tired of top secret government run facilities just letting high school girls in. In what universe is this realistic lol.

LeLouch_Reborn said:
From a person who likes FMAB, HxH, and TPN, there is no way you can say this series or episode is good.

Shieldsss said:
next episode is the last of the season how are they going to finish the whole war in 24 minute?

Siglius said:


They aren't. It's split cour so there's another 11 episodes coming in spring.

Daniel_Naumov said:
The whole obvious twist towards "FRIENDS UNITE WOOOO" was obvious and still I believe it would be a fundamentally better season without it... but the bad guys did it first. Okay, justified. Still salty they still treat A.I. like just A.I. but with human value. I know I know, this is not a philosophical work of art, just some entertainment... which is slowly becoming more and more stupid. Oh well, BANZAAAAAAAAAAAI

I'd join on Japan's side to wreck those gasoline chuggers like for real. Long overdue.
I would be interested in particular plot holes. Could you kindly list them, at least by name?

He does not seem to fathom such concepts as "camaraderie", "helping each other", "strong friendship" and so on. For many people who have been through a lot with Kirito joining him in his crusade would be an honour, something actually worthwhile they can do while rotting away in those VRMMORPG. Like a real purpose, feeling like real heroes, protecting something and someone with a "soul". Guess some concepts are too big for people on certain individual development level.

Wait what? SDF vs US? Where?! Are we watching the same series? "a very gray battle"? SDF and U.S.A. army are a definition of grey. But wait there is more... "compelling VIEWPOINTS"?! The guys are a military! They are either socially worthless or utterly retarded and should be filling prisons or labour camps or are psychopaths. Antagonist, if you have failed to perceive, is a psychopath, and is not going to turn Alice over to U.S. either way..... .... Ooooh I get it. You are upset about U.S. army being portrayed as villainy as it is. Okay then, you almost had me. Just for you, on this special occasion, words of wisdom:

"Nationalism is a puny man's solace - only lacking and hollow take pride in being a part of a group, for which they have done nothing to help make it something to be proud of".

That is your first question? Alrighty then...
It is the pair from Ordinal Scale. The edgy boy and his girlfriend-turned-A.I. pixie like Yui.

Daniel_Naumov said:
Eagleland the landfill.

@Hylianticipated he will also want to hear that. If I were to depict my appreciation of how well he had done this Alicization story, then the first season before mercenary attack, it (the appreaction) was walking up the hill, while this season my appreciation is slowly sliding down a slope.
I am in no way defending this particular season, or how the author does not do thorough research while writing. The fault, however, is nowhere near that childish U.S.- S.D.F. subplot. The worst thing I can see here, in terms of logic, is how S.D.F. got bribed by American intelligence. Otherwise, the whole thing makes sense from the perspective of reality, how U.S.A. army does things and its overall portrayal in art. Unless you are what I accused you of, fanatical nationalists with as many braincells as there are vowels in the name of the nation, you are welcome to explain me, in terms more appropriate than "look how stupidly he writes, this whole plot is stupid", why the whole plot is stupid.

Marinate1016 said:


Do you have the official tweet or source for the spring thing? I guessed that date myself but wasn’t sure if it were confirmed or not. I’d appreciate it

Maill said:
Jeez, why each time I come to the MAL forums after I watched SAO there a war ?



Anyway, good episode, love the Lisbeth's speech, 1 last episode before a 3 month pause. Last court will be good.

Aleph199X said:

This dumb bs again.
1. Kirito isn't a programmer, he literally pressed "convert immortal object" in the console.
2. Yes you finally understood what Kayaba's line about "overcoming the limitations of the system" meant. Kirito isn't the only one capable of doing this, he was just put in that situation. And before you say "that was explained properly", no, you just failed to put 2 and 2 together.

SAO discussions in this site have always been laughably bad when you have idiotic criticism like this but man. Why are you making a show that is making you that emotionally unwell?

StellarIceberg said:

Even Reki himself has admitted of being a bad writer and wishes to improve so IDK how the fuck you can be so dumb, dude.
SAO was written by a guy who thought 20k was a very big number for an MMORPG's population."Overcoming the limitations of the system" No that's just an asspull to make edgelord look even edgier. If you've ever touched a single line in studio code, systems don't fucking work that way. Do you know what that's called? A plothole. For trying to be a serious anime, SAO throws it all in the toilet and flushes it halfway through season 1. And now alicization, the quest of retrieving Alice. The premise was looking nice and all but since Reki wrote is way back when he was not trying to improve but fantasize about his harem, he fucked up, again.
And if by any chance you think "oh its an anime, anything can happen" then it has to be some superphenomenon whereas SAO is set in a world governed by conventional physics.
And the very fact that an in-game player was allowed to use the console, in a DEATH MATCH ruins the whole point. "Oh let's use this console here to revive my AI daughter cause of course she's more important than logging out the players trapped here."
I don't have much problem with a writer who's honestly trying to improve himself. Actually, that's quite admirable.
The problem is the SAO fantards who try to pass off the original series as the greatest thing that has ever happened to humanity since the extinction of neanderthals.

LemonMAL said:
Series went from great to toss in the recycling bin once Asuna and her gang took over

Marinate1016 said:
War never changes:https://imgur.com/a/vx33Nts

Lisbeth's speech with Unlasting playing over it gave me absolute goosebumps and brought tears to my eyes. The virtual world can be just as real as the "real" world. What makes it real are the friends you make and the bonds you create.

Alicization is exploding.