Vinland Saga Episode 22 Discussion

Xelecus said:


Same, Everyone here is talking about Askeladd in this episode but ignoring Thorfinn, I'm so sad for him tbh. 10 years of pain and suffer, 10 years of abandoning your humane side & emotions, and by the end, the gain is 0. I wonder what the ending of this anime will be like.

Waschmaschine369 said:
@RealTheAbsurdist this was already done in episode 8, maybe you're confusing the two dream sequences?

the one in episode 10 was just a nightmare from what I remember, not adding much except reinforcing thorfinn's grief.

Waschmaschine369 said:

edit: I just rewatched that part and I'm wrong about episode 10 being just a nightmare, but my point still stands since episode 8 did it already. same subtext about revenge, only difference is that this one emphasizes more on the fact it wouldn't make thors and his mom and sister happy. enough of that information was conveyed earlier, there's no point.

Waschmaschine369 said:
@RealTheAbsurdist because it's a scene with thorfinn, some said it's so that he doesn't become unlovable as a character. it's something else seeing random soldiers do it.

just think of bjorn in ep 14, after becoming invested in him you don't want to see him violently force his way into family's house and steal their goods. or askeladd commanding mass murder when the episode prior he was made to look heroic. not that these things weren't known already, but it still influences your perspective, makes them more real

but I don't get why it wasn't included either, it would be a great moment for thorfinn's characterization we get so little off. we've already seen rape implied and bodies dismembered. people who like this anime would take it as a positive rather than a negative. thorfinn is so near unlikable already anyway.

on the objective part, I'm saying it would do more for thorfinn character wise than that filler dream sequence. and sure, a very small majority wouldn't find it engaging, but the vast majority definitely would. that's not hard to understand. common sense allows that statement to be true, it would be more impactful, right? it would become a hot topic.

Waschmaschine369 said:
@RealTheAbsurdist just to add, seeing thorfinn walking away from a girl getting gang raped by his fellow crew members would make me care about him way more, because you realise how terrible his path is and you want him to change so badly

not different from irl really

Waschmaschine369 said:
@RealTheAbsurdist lesser beings objectively viewing the story improperly should be of no concern. proper way is seeing it as both disgusting and heartbreaking.

I'm aware of future development so I'm biased, but even then I think the story makes clear he'll change at some point, because of how much he gets called out for being an idiot.

obviously what I really mean is that I'm a fanboy and can't understand the disdain people have for thorfinn's character, or more extreme, why they think the story is bad.