Tensei shitara Slime Datta Ken Episode 6 Discussion

Levi_Ackerman_10 said:
Fine episode the only thing I like is shizu izawa. I like her personality a lot and she is interesting character. I still don t find main character appealing or Interesting.He seems like just another typical generic Isekai main character and I don t like him.

Can t wait to see more of other cast members and more of Shizu Izawa.

arthurnagi27 said:


don't expect more with shizue izawa, You must be disappointed in the next episode

DMind said:
Hold up, so Shizu came from WW2 I believe? And yet she said she understood the reference joke from a game (from Dragon Quest specifically if I'm not mistaken). So like how did she get the reference when videogames weren't even a thing during her time?

Grey-Zone said:
She specifically said that she didn't play the game herself, but was rather told about it from someone from the same country as her.

The only logical conclusion would be that she was not refering to someone from the time before she was summoned, but rather to another Japanese person that got transported/summoned/reincarnated who wasn't introduced yet.

DMind said:


I did consider that she heard it from someone else (from her world) but of all things why a specific slime joke from a video game? That kind of reference is usually something you'd get if you actually played the game.

DMind said:


I did consider that she heard it from someone else (from her world) but of all things why a specific slime joke from a video game? That kind of reference is usually something you'd get if you actually played the game.

That's like if I went to another world, met someone from the 1900s who wouldn't even know what videogames are and told them about Skyrim and the "arrow in the knee" joke.

Briandias said:
She is probably laughing cause the tone and just how cringe rimuru act, also because some one told her about the joke (which mean the "otherworlder" that shizu know is probably a game addict or hard core otaku)

Grey-Zone said:
I think it's because you'd inevitably have the conversation at some point about why beings that are completely fictional (dwarves, elves, goblins, slimes, heroes, demon lords, etc.) exist in this other world and all the possible explanations for that. Inevitably conversations that compare our worlds' depictions of these beings from the other world will be made. So once the topic shifts to slimes it would be like: "so slimes in this world are all weak, mindless beings, huh? Back in our world in one of the most well known games they were also weak and mostly hostile, but in that one big franchise there was always that one slime that shouted 'I am not a bad slime you know!' who was not hostile. It pretty much became a trademark of that franchise!"

...or something along those lines. The key is that that phrase IS appearently a treademark quote for that franchise. The problem with the Skyrim comparison is that it's only a single game in a franchise that has that joke. A much more accurate comparison would be Metal Gear's quote of "Snake? Answer me Snake! Snake! SNAAAAAAAAAAKE!"


Also Rimuru has already been shown at being rather bad at making jokes, so as @Briandias said, she was probably more cringing/laughing at his performance rather than the joke itself.

matias067 said:
Back story of Shizu was tragic! so her case was different! She wasn't reincarnated but summoned to a different world,a and it seems like her original world was edo era of Japan? from the looks of the clothes...seems like it!
5/5.

Mattinator95 said:

i see you have best girl from another series as your picture ..nice

SeaJaeger said:

They didn't have air raids yet back when Tokyo was still Edo. Go figure ;)


I see that we have another #TeamYue man of culture here...Noice

amlg said:
Yea, they pretty much showed Shizu's backstory at the end of Episode's ED... which actually leads up to Rimuru in his human form... pretty obvious what's going to happen there. Not even spoiler at this point, since it's shown right in the ED, lol.

Levi_Ackerman_10 said:


I will If she doesn t show up and focus keep on main character who is generic who is boring me. Unless other new cast pop up who will much more interesting I will not be interest in generic main character

Why I say this guy is generic? mr good man, pervert, silly,I help just because I feel like it. Exactly generic

Briandias said:


Well lets just say at least in the next ep he will get uhmmm lets say "motivation" or "goal" ? I guess, well just enjoy it he's not your average mc at least, he just need some push to shine

Levi_Ackerman_10 said:


I hope you are right pal clearly he is your typical and generic Isekai main character So far no different than Kirito. Heck I even think Kirito is better than him.

Briandias said:


To be honest though I rate an mc not from his genericness but from the entertainment value the mc's able to bring to my own personal enjoyment of the series.

Also from the relation that a character create with the mc and how that will help the mc character itself grow also how does all of this build the world I'm watching, which basicly springkled in this entire ep with shizu.

I do know that many people really hate generic mc, I see where you getting at but For some reason everytime I watch this i just keep getting entertained, and that's partly because of the mc goofiness. I'm not sure how I fell if saitama were the one who is reincarnated though (as a chara he's good, but for this type of narative it just don't work really).

If you're talking about S3 kirito then i also kindda understand, he basicly reset his entire character progress from S1 to S2 and starting rebuilding his chara from scratch along with eugo. Which probably why I'm liking the new season of Sao surprisingly.

Levi_Ackerman_10 said:


I hope you are right pal clearly he is your typical and generic Isekai main character So far no different than Kirito. Heck I even think Kirito is better than him.

Grey-Zone said:

I must have vastly different standards for what a "generic" character is, then. For me the generic characteristic for a protagonist (or some specifically a "good"-aligned protagonist) would be if:

- The protagonist continuously expresses that their highest priority is to get back to their own world to the point that you have to roll your eyes over and over again (isekai-specific)
- The protagonist rejects any kind of loyalty or any higher position than a basic leader of a party and insists that the other characters become his "friends" instead
- The protagonist has a fetish for matyrdom and easily offers his life up even when it's not really neccessary at that point, simply lowering his negotation position in a conflict down for no good reason other than to "be heroic", even worse if the plot somehow makes this position out to be the "correct" one
- The protagonist tries so hard not to kill anyone that he loses several fights he could have won, because the enemey noticed the no-kill policy, but the protagonist still wins "the overall war" in the end because of plot armor
- The protagonist endlessly preaches about his ideals and how the villain's doing is wrong, or worse, even tries to save the villain and focuses more on saving the villain than winning the battle and because of plot convenience it somehow "works out fine"
- The protagonist has no acceptable reason for holding his heroic ideals. Not having a specific reason is fine as long as it's still somehow made believable, otherwise it makes the protagonist seem shallow


These are my personal points for a "on the good side" protagonist that would make me feel disinterested in the character because these traits usually don't make for a good character but are "easy to produce", hence generic.

And Rimuru doesn't hit any of these annoying sore spots. I like how he is still a flawed human that goes as far as hiding his own hypocrisy at times like telling Gobta to close his eyes and ears and then goes to contradict the whole grandiose speech he had made for the Goblins just 3 or so days earlier. This lack of integrity makes him look very realistic compared to, say, any usual shounen protagonists from WSJump or WSMagazine.


What are the aspects that make a character, or perhaps even more specifically a "good"-aligned character bad or generic for you? Or are you just tired of any "good"-aligned characters in general?

Levi_Ackerman_10 said:


I will If she doesn t show up and focus keep on main character who is generic who is boring me. Unless other new cast pop up who will much more interesting I will not be interest in generic main character

Why I say this guy is generic? mr good man, pervert, silly,I help just because I feel like it. Exactly generic

Kvruck said:
6/10 for Monster
8/10 for Psycho-Pass
6/10 for Tensura
8/10 for Goblin Slayer
7/10 for Psycho-Pass Movie
1/10 for Steins;Gate

and

10/10 for Overlord
10/10 for Overlord 2
9/10 for Overlord 3

Sir, you have good taste in anime.

DMind said:
Hold up, so Shizu came from WW2 I believe? And yet she said she understood the reference joke from a game (from Dragon Quest specifically if I'm not mistaken). So like how did she get the reference when videogames weren't even a thing during her time?

Grey-Zone said:


I think it's because you'd inevitably have the conversation at some point about why beings that are completely fictional (dwarves, elves, goblins, slimes, heroes, demon lords, etc.) exist in this other world and all the possible explanations for that. Inevitably conversations that compare our worlds' depictions of these beings from the other world will be made. So once the topic shifts to slimes it would be like: "so slimes in this world are all weak, mindless beings, huh? Back in our world in one of the most well known games they were also weak and mostly hostile, but in that one big franchise there was always that one slime that shouted 'I am not a bad slime you know!' who was not hostile. It pretty much became a trademark of that franchise!"

...or something along those lines. The key is that that phrase IS appearently a treademark quote for that franchise. The problem with the Skyrim comparison is that it's only a single game in a franchise that has that joke. A much more accurate comparison would be Metal Gear's quote of "Snake? Answer me Snake! Snake! SNAAAAAAAAAAKE!"


Also Rimuru has already been shown at being rather bad at making jokes, so as @Briandias said, she was probably more cringing/laughing at his performance rather than the joke itself.

Grey-Zone said:

I must have vastly different standards for what a "generic" character is, then. For me the generic characteristic for a protagonist (or some specifically a "good"-aligned protagonist) would be if:

- The protagonist continuously expresses that their highest priority is to get back to their own world to the point that you have to roll your eyes over and over again (isekai-specific)
- The protagonist rejects any kind of loyalty or any higher position than a basic leader of a party and insists that the other characters become his "friends" instead
- The protagonist has a fetish for matyrdom and easily offers his life up even when it's not really neccessary at that point, simply lowering his negotation position in a conflict down for no good reason other than to "be heroic", even worse if the plot somehow makes this position out to be the "correct" one
- The protagonist tries so hard not to kill anyone that he loses several fights he could have won, because the enemey noticed the no-kill policy, but the protagonist still wins "the overall war" in the end because of plot armor
- The protagonist endlessly preaches about his ideals and how the villain's doing is wrong, or worse, even tries to save the villain and focuses more on saving the villain than winning the battle and because of plot convenience it somehow "works out fine"
- The protagonist has no acceptable reason for holding his heroic ideals. Not having a specific reason is fine as long as it's still somehow made believable, otherwise it makes the protagonist seem shallow


These are my personal points for a "on the good side" protagonist that would make me feel disinterested in the character because these traits usually don't make for a good character but are "easy to produce", hence generic.

And Rimuru doesn't hit any of these annoying sore spots. I like how he is still a flawed human that goes as far as hiding his own hypocrisy at times like telling Gobta to close his eyes and ears and then goes to contradict the whole grandiose speech he had made for the Goblins just 3 or so days earlier. This lack of integrity makes him look very realistic compared to, say, any usual shounen protagonists from WSJump or WSMagazine.


What are the aspects that make a character, or perhaps even more specifically a "good"-aligned character bad or generic for you? Or are you just tired of any "good"-aligned characters in general?

ZdloraH said:
Plot Hole: She knew the joke rimuru did was from a videogame but she lived in WW2 era which is before videogames?

Idk i could be imagining thing

doomrider7 said:


The Dragon Quest Slime Joke is one of the most iconic and memetic of all time. You can SELL this anime to people of that fandom purely on this joke. It's that famous and iconic up there with the Zelda's "It's a secret from everyone" or "It's dangerous to go alone". It's not just a trademark quote, it's THE trademark quote for Dragon Quest. The reason Shizu knows it is because a former student likens the Isekai World to the world of Dragon Quest and cites how'd there would some friendly monsters citing and using the above quote. I can't remember how he explians the concept of videogames to her, but it's not hard to grasp it since cinemas existed already back then.

doomrider7 said:


I will address every point and try to avoid spoilers.

1. This topic gets brought up at one point. Rimuru doesn't really care and isn't particularly interest in going back and sees the point moot as he died over there.

2. Rimuru is more than glad to accept any and all sworn fealty to him as it makes several things MUCH easier. The only problem he has with it is the subsequent issue of naming and organizing.

3. Rimuru never does this nor do anything to lower his bargaining position and accepts the best deals he can find to improve the lives of his subjects.

4. Rimuru prefers to not kill anyone if it can be avoided for justified reasons and if there are options to resolve the fight without killing the individual or individuals in question. Outside of that though he'll kill however many it takes to make the problem go away or achieve his goal.

5. Rimuru doesn't preach to anyone.

6. It's not heroic ideals, it's just that he's not a dick and simply looks for the best solution that can benefit both parties. He's simply a nice guy in a position where he can do good in a macro scale.

Grey-Zone said:

I know now. AFAIK this part about the "not a bad slime" didn't even exist in the WN version, but I am not entirely sure. But after finally finishing the LN version I now know what this is about.

One reason why Shizu remembers that quote is because of how absurd the idea of monsters, escpacially Slimes, voluntarily joining an adventurer's party was to her. She totally saw monsters as these bloodthirsty killers only out for blood (which, to be fair, they usually are). So the quote actually stuck a nerve with her as it was challenging her world view, so she dismissed it as a child's fantasy, but it was nonetheless quite memorable for her because of that. And then she witnessed a slime doing exactly the same thing in front of her, which she thought to only exist in fiction. I would probably chuckle in such a situation as well.

The second reason is super spoilery, but it's foreshadowing for something quite far into the future. Judging from the LN covers, it would probably be a revelation from near the end of LN vol. 7, so probably season 3 of the anime, if it ever exists. That's why I will refrain from telling what it is. PM me if you want to know specifically. All I can tell here is that it perfectly explains why she would remember such a trivial quote even without the other reason mentioned above.





I read the WN up until ch. ~190-ish, so it's not a spoiler to me.

Now I am not sure if it isn't perhaps me misunderstanding your post, but I am pretty sure I mentioned that "Rimuru doesn't hit any of these annoying sore spots", i.e. that Rimuru is not generic at all.

Recondito said:
Another likeable main characters' relationship, I will ship them till the end of the anime.

neonie said:


AH. did they? Sorry, I was super damn tired this morning, and running on very little sleep. I apologize.

I still feel however that attributing prejudice to someone with no precedence is a bit silly. I don't think I would say she would outright hate someone she never met until something like that is actually shown and proven.