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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- New episode just following the same pattern as the previous one, but this time focusing on Yang's backstory instead of Reinhardt's. I felt that even though they did a good job, they rushed things a bit and I'm not sure that people who are meeting the material for the first time will get what it is Yang did at El Facil and the importance it has in his life. They also did some changes to how he got promoted. He didn't jump directly to Commodore from Lieutenant. That's 3 ranks, not 2. That little cameo in El Facil was gorgeous. Looking forward to see her adult sized. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
Farabeuf said: I felt that even though they did a good job, they rushed things a bit and I'm not sure that people who are meeting the material for the first time will get what it is Yang did at El Facil and the importance it has in his life. They also did some changes to how he got promoted. He didn't jump directly to Commodore from Lieutenant. That's 3 ranks, not 2. El Facil was just a reference of a past achievement in the old OVA. Most of this episode was actually only told in detail on Gaiden OVA. Unfortunetly, the Gaiden OVA took several episodes to tell the same thing we got today, but for first time watchers it would bore them to death if it was that slow. |
| Whilst I preferred the last episode, this was a very solid episode reflecting on some backstory for Yang Wen-li. I felt that the pacing was a bit rushed but the content was enjoyable in itself to witness. |
| I was surprised that they actually showed the El Facil incident in this since it was always mentioned in the old main OVA series and there was also a certain particular scene which we will probably see again through flashbacks. Anyway, I liked that they also showed the friendship Yang developed with Jean and Jessica while he was in the Military Academy. And I will say it again now that he officially debuted. Julian is the only character who looks really awful with the new art style. |
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| They actually showed stuff about El Facil. I think it's just backstory reference without actual scene in the original? Julian looks way too shota wtf |
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| He really likes history, not bad. |
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GangsterCat said: They actually showed stuff about El Facil. I think it's just backstory reference without actual scene in the original? Julian looks way too shota wtf I am sure present Julian wont look so young. This is most likely a few months after El Facil mind you. Fredrica was a highschooler at that time as we saw in her cameo. So it makes sense that Julian will be a kid. |
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| Good episode again. We got Wang's backstory and his rise up the free planet alliance's millitary and it was pretty cool to watch. Looks like he took on a pupil as well. We got introduced to Jean and Jessica as well. Real shame that Jean had to die. Was he already engaged to Jessica when he died or did he after it? From what I saw in this episode it looked like he died after getting engaged to Jessica. |
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| Intresting. I thought this episode would be about what next episode seems to be but they decided to talk about Yang's backstory. It was good episode even if it felt somewhat rushed in some scenes. I guess that is what you get when you have to condense several years to 25 minutes. |
| Good episode. As I've expected - 2 alliance episodes (next episode was well) to cover everything up to including chapter 4 of the first novel. Yangs background with his father was a bit short. They would have needed 2 episodes if they wanted to explain everything. Background story of Yang was longer than Reinhard's in the novel as well. (In the old OVA it appeared in the Gaidens in the novel it was in chapter 1.) I liked how he told Jessica a bit (how he had to go to a military university to study history). That way they could introduce Jessica and keep the background a bit shorter. Also Cazerne and Sitolet appeared. They'll be important next episode - as well as Jessica and Julian. Nice way to introduce Julia. In the novels it appeared later - but for the pacing it seems better to have it now than later at that "action" stuff happening. El Facil was nice and short. Not that much explanation needed. But I agree a bit with Farabeuf ... maybe people that don't know the old OVA or the novels might underestimate a bit the thing Yang did and how it influenced his career. My subtitles were a bit wrong: he said something about rear-admiral. (Must have been wrong sub or a joke.) Afaik it was Ensign (which Cazerne later used in the sub ... maybe to refer to the old days in the academy where he knew him from) first - which was default rank after graduation from the academy. Then 1 year later sub-lieutenant. (Or that was with graduation.) 2 ranks promotion were then to (full) lieutenant and I think lieutenant commander (at least in the novel the English translation named the ranks like that ... need to check again). Later it is mentioned how he slowly gets promoted (-> captain -> commodore I think) ... which took some years. I think about 8 years later. (Not as fast as Reinhard ... he is not ambitious. He just happens to do the right stuff when needed and is good ad it and gets pushed into higher positions as we get to see next episode.) Also the girl with the coffee was cute in this new animated version. ;) |
Luthandorius said: My subtitles were a bit wrong: he said something about rear-admiral. (Must have been wrong sub or a joke.) It's Lieutenant Commander. The subbers made an egregious mistake with that; I think they forgot it was supposed to be a flashback episode. That flub aside, I actually appreciate Production I.G devoting an entire episode to Yang's backstory. I would prefer more emphasis on El Facil just like in the OVA Gaiden series, but I guess this would do as well. EDIT: I actually chuckled at the renowned 730 Mafia used as a liquor brand name in the bar scene. |
MagiarcaApr 24, 2018 8:39 AM
| Pretty good episode showcasing some backstory for Yang. He's quite the history buff. It was interesting to see him rise up in the ranks. Looks like he's going to take on an apprentice. |
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| Ok this time we got storytelling for Yang,pretty good again overall. I'm really amazed how much I actually enjoy this show so far. |
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| This episode solidified that I think the series is not just good, but really good. For someone who loves LotGH at least. Maybe I wouldn't like it so much if I hadn't watched the OVA already? Who knows. It's just enjoyable seeing the events again and they're taking their time with it. Hopefully we'll get many more seasons, since that would be necessary to tell the whole story. I was worried that they would try and go back and forth every single episode between the FPA and the Empire, but thankfully that doesn't seem to be the case. |
Farabeuf said: Yes, it was gorgeous, but only people who read the novels or watched the original OVA will know who she was.That little cameo in El Facil was gorgeous. Looking forward to see her adult sized. Harlequina said: I'm wondering about the same. Would I like it this much if I hadn't seen the original OVA? I don't know and at this point it doesn't matter.This episode solidified that I think the series is not just good, but really good. For someone who loves LotGH at least. Maybe I wouldn't like it so much if I hadn't watched the OVA already? Who knows. It's just enjoyable seeing the events again and they're taking their time with it. Hopefully we'll get many more seasons, since that would be necessary to tell the whole story. |
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| I enjoyed the way they handled episode 3 and was optimistic for this one, but this... was butchery. The pacing is completely off, they added anime-only material, rushed through El Facil when there was no real reason to even show it until a good bit later. I liked seeing Frederica, but they honestly overdid it with Jessica and Jean. In the first book, we don't even see Jessica on stage until the Astarte battle, in an event that will likely be covered next episode, judging by the title. Her role in Yang's past doesn't even really come up until the second novel, where it is recapped in passing in another scene. I know they tried to play Yang's views off at Jessica, but it really didn't work. They're trying to build her up as a more important character but really what she did here had little to no bearing on what she is yet going to do. A lot of what this episode tried to do with Yang's development was spread throughout the novels, here and there, often in conversation or to provide further context to ongoing events. Frontloading this stuff while putting the in my opinion badly-handled battle of Astarte aside, including the political aftermath, for basically two episodes now, was a terrible idea. It doesn't just mess up the pacing of this particular episode, but also that of the first half of this season. Almost all of the info we get here is stuff that would've crystallized as the story progresses anyway. For the record, I've watched it with a friend who didn't read the books or watch the OVAs. She was pretty lost in places because nothing was really handled with much gravitas or elaborated on to the point where it seemed really relevant. Much ado about nothing, basically. She had to ask me afterwards what was so special about El Facil, for example, because the episode did a pretty bad job showcasing how vital Yang's calm and composed nature and his plan actually were for the planet's population. |
DarkChaplainApr 24, 2018 1:10 PM
MagisterArcanum said: Luthandorius said: My subtitles were a bit wrong: he said something about rear-admiral. (Must have been wrong sub or a joke.) It's Lieutenant Commander. The subbers made an egregious mistake with that; I think they forgot it was supposed to be a flashback episode. That flub aside, I actually appreciate Production I.G devoting an entire episode to Yang's backstory. I would prefer more emphasis on El Facil just like in the OVA Gaiden series, but I guess this would do as well. EDIT: I actually chuckled at the renowned 730 Mafia used as a liquor brand name in the bar scene. Well spotted that one! Nice little detail to put in. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| I love how Yang didn't unpack the boxes X days after moving in xD |
| Can we agree that on the best good boy scale: Julian > Todoroki or any other BNHA character. Sad we won't see him grow into his prime anytime soon. |
| Another great episode! I like Yang's voice, but every so often I start thinking about Sougo from Gintama. I still don't care for Cazellnu's design, but I like his voice and attitude in this remake. I just loved the face he made at Yang during Cazellnu's first on-screen appearance. Very amusing. I also love how messy Yang still is, such as in his house and how he keeps himself. I was worried the remake would remove that. Makes Yang really relatable. |
| It was a good episode although seemed a little bit rushed but I guess that's the best they can do given it's a 12 episodes season. I highly doubit it that they're trying to go throughly through all the events that were on the 110 episodes OVA. |
| "The Goddess of victory is waving her underwear in your faces!" Fritz Josef Bittenfield (Legend of the Galactic Heroes) |
| Another great episode. |
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Kirko said: It was a good episode although seemed a little bit rushed but I guess that's the best they can do given it's a 12 episodes season. I highly doubit it that they're trying to go throughly through all the events that were on the 110 episodes OVA. The 12 episodes + 3 movies that are coming out are going to cover the first two books. This amount of episodes + 3 movie's length actually gives the first two books more screen time than the old OVA so it shouldn't be extremely rushed. |
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Kirko said: It was a good episode although seemed a little bit rushed but I guess that's the best they can do given it's a 12 episodes season. I highly doubit it that they're trying to go throughly through all the events that were on the 110 episodes OVA. The first season of this only supposed to cover the first book looking at what the old version covered it covered the first 2 books in 26 episodes. If you take 12 episodes plus 3 2 hour movies I think that means the new one should actually have more airing time than the original. |
| Another great episode I like Wen-li Yang personality and looks much more than original OVA |
| Julian turned into a really cute boi looool. I'm actually liking this adaptation of the series. It's like a nice little summary. But it does feel like they cut out stuff, but maybe it's because I'm used to the slow pacing of the original LotGH. |
| Maybe... it's the slow pace of the old OVA that did Yang's character justice. It's not that this episode is bad, though. It's okay. They butchered a lot of the tactic, the politic, and the philosophy but not that I expect anyone to think these days. Given that they keep the meat of Yang as a character "the observer", one can't really complain much. |
| Not really sure where the whole "rushed" argument is coming from considering a lot of this stuff wasn't even in the main OVA but instead the Gaidens and Overture. If anything, I'm surprised they are apparently spending two episodes on Yang. Edit: Also, I don't remember the orphan law at all from the first anime. It could have been in the Gaidens, not sure. |
Ston3_FreeN7Apr 24, 2018 7:14 PM
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I was expecting to get an alliance episode this week. The boy at the end was random. This episode made me love Yang even more! |
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| Nice episode! so this time it's Yang's turn! The Unbeatable Magician and the hero of El Facil! 5/5. |
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| Yes, yes I liked this one! Well how could I not with Yang being my most favourite character of all time and this episode being quite good at showing his backstory. True, the storyline was somewhat different than in the old version but it might actually liked it even better. Just the fact that they added El Facil alone makes it better because the original doesn't show El Facil at all and I remember that I watched El Facil OVA only after finishing the entire series! |
Shirosune said: Yes, he got his apprentice. But it's not the girl from El Facil (but she's an important character too).I'm liking Yang a lot more than Reinhardt so far, I hope to see more of him! It looks like he has his apprentice, which might be that girl who gave him coffee before? |
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| Lovely :> I love that episodes 3 and 4 have been mostly backstories for both MCs. I like that we don't get straight action because then it wouldn't be as exciting. |
| I don't know if I missed it but what did Yang actually do in El Facil? Just seemed to me they went to battle with the Imperials and Yang led them to escape in the meantime. |
| I commend Yang's passion for history, to think that he joined a military institution to study it... His single passion aside, the glimpse into Yang's background was intriguing. His credo of searching answers for future problems from past endeavours is, again, quite commendable. I wonder, however, how far will such a mindset take him? Particularly as his opponents have their minds set on the future instead of the past. Yang is definitely more interesting than he lets on. |
zemrood said: I don't know if I missed it but what did Yang actually do in El Facil? Just seemed to me they went to battle with the Imperials and Yang led them to escape in the meantime. He used unmanned ships as decoys. That's why the Imperial Fleet did not suffer casualties. |
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