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Dec 15, 2017 8:29 AM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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I gotta admit, Marie is a brave girl. Despite her personality, she's not afraid to put herself at risk to protect Rin.

Got mixed thoughts about Eleonore from this episode. I don't find the character appealing so far even with the storytelling. Got really mixed thoughts on the action. They tried to make it dark and grimmy but I wasn't sold on it.

One more episode left for the TV series and I'm not keeping my hopes up.
Dec 15, 2017 10:38 AM
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Got to see some of Kei's backstory. Marie is quite brave to protect Ren. She got beat up bad. Eleonore is just too strong. The action in this episode was decent. One more episode left. I'm curious how it's going to end.
Dec 15, 2017 10:57 AM
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Quite a decent episode for DI´s standards. They managed to make their much needed point with the early backstory of Kei and the following developments were also entertaining and coherent. Props for Marie´s bravery and Lisa´s sacrifice. I am looking forward to Ren´s apparent partnership with Kotomine Trifa.

Also lol at this part, we finally have our mecha party.



Dec 15, 2017 11:18 AM
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The sakurai bloodline cursed because the blacksmith was too good :'(
Marie feeling ren's pain and lisa sacrifices herself so they can escape from eleonore.
Dec 15, 2017 1:53 PM
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I laughed hard when Machina showed up with another golem monster while Ren is running like crazy lol.
Dec 15, 2017 3:28 PM
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"hes the only one who can withstand the flame"?

so in other words?

Dec 15, 2017 3:30 PM
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It's episode 10 and i still have no idea whats going on or who are these characters.
Dec 15, 2017 3:59 PM
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Ehhh, what? I dobt follow anythibg at all, well i knew that a couple of weeks ago but now im totaly lost. The priest is not with Heydrich? I thought he was one of his table of whatever member.
Anyone without a limited iq who cares to fill me inn on what happend?
Dec 15, 2017 5:57 PM
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Thank god I'm not the only one that's lost lmao. I thought I was just not paying attention, but this story is so incoherent.





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Dec 15, 2017 6:25 PM

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Troll12345678966 said:
Ehhh, what? I dobt follow anythibg at all, well i knew that a couple of weeks ago but now im totaly lost. The priest is not with Heydrich? I thought he was one of his table of whatever member.
Anyone without a limited iq who cares to fill me inn on what happend?

Nah, the priest is not with golden German dude. Priest's goal should be demystified in next episode or so
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Dec 15, 2017 7:33 PM

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Of course, he can now use ZA WARUDO!, yes, that makes perfect, logical sense.
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Dec 15, 2017 7:44 PM
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Zelev said:
Thank god I'm not the only one that's lost lmao. I thought I was just not paying attention, but this story is so incoherent.


No lol it's just you and a couple other shonentards being too dumb to understand without half an hour of exposition for everything. I'd put a bit of blame on Crunchyroll since their subs are shit and confusing but everything so far has been completely explained and anyone paying attention should be able to tell what's going on unless they have sub 70 IQs.

For example:
In episode 0 we see Valeria Trifa's real body and we see how it changes to this one, LAST EPISODE he has a 5 minute conversation with Lisa where she outright says that he has Reinhard's body now but then there's retards in this same thread thinking that he IS reinhard despite the fact that we've seen the two of them at the same time doing different things. Why do you think he is called Priest of the Grail or Divine vessel? what do you think this "grail" or "divine vessel" he has is?

Just one example of how dumb people here are, I'm sorry but being glad that there are other retards around is not a good really a good thing
Dec 15, 2017 8:03 PM
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Of course, he can now use ZA WARUDO!, yes, that makes perfect, logical sense.

It does make sense. Maybe the anime didn't explain it well enough, but a Beri'ah is based on the users deepest desire, and Ren's desire is for time to stop.
Dec 15, 2017 8:35 PM

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E96825 said:
Zelev said:
Thank god I'm not the only one that's lost lmao. I thought I was just not paying attention, but this story is so incoherent.


No lol it's just you and a couple other shonentards being too dumb to understand without half an hour of exposition for everything. I'd put a bit of blame on Crunchyroll since their subs are shit and confusing but everything so far has been completely explained and anyone paying attention should be able to tell what's going on unless they have sub 70 IQs.

For example:
In episode 0 we see Valeria Trifa's real body and we see how it changes to this one, LAST EPISODE he has a 5 minute conversation with Lisa where she outright says that he has Reinhard's body now but then there's retards in this same thread thinking that he IS reinhard despite the fact that we've seen the two of them at the same time doing different things. Why do you think he is called Priest of the Grail or Divine vessel? what do you think this "grail" or "divine vessel" he has is?

Just one example of how dumb people here are, I'm sorry but being glad that there are other retards around is not a good really a good thing


I don't see what a "shounentard" has anything to do with it, lmao? I don't even like shounen that much.

I honestly don't know what sparked your inferiority complex, but you might wanna get that fixed. Try watching 30+ shows in an airing season and you'll find out that you can't remember everything.

What's hilarious is that I clearly don't care about this show because none of what you explained rings a bell. It's all poorly executed and unoriginal, quite frankly.





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Zelev said:
E96825 said:


No lol it's just you and a couple other shonentards being too dumb to understand without half an hour of exposition for everything. I'd put a bit of blame on Crunchyroll since their subs are shit and confusing but everything so far has been completely explained and anyone paying attention should be able to tell what's going on unless they have sub 70 IQs.

For example:
In episode 0 we see Valeria Trifa's real body and we see how it changes to this one, LAST EPISODE he has a 5 minute conversation with Lisa where she outright says that he has Reinhard's body now but then there's retards in this same thread thinking that he IS reinhard despite the fact that we've seen the two of them at the same time doing different things. Why do you think he is called Priest of the Grail or Divine vessel? what do you think this "grail" or "divine vessel" he has is?

Just one example of how dumb people here are, I'm sorry but being glad that there are other retards around is not a good really a good thing


I don't see what a "shounentard" has anything to do with it, lmao? I don't even like shounen that much.

I honestly don't know what sparked your inferiority complex, but you might wanna get that fixed. Try watching 30+ shows in an airing season and you'll find out that you can't remember everything.

What's hilarious is that I clearly don't care about this show because none of what you explained rings a bell. It's all poorly executed and unoriginal, quite frankly.


Clearly you don't have enough edge in your life if you're not getting this. Really, though, the reason you don't understand, and I'm right there with you, is because the writing is horrible and it's hard to keep the characters and their ambitions straight. I feel like I'm watching the fever dream of a twisted junior kid.
Dec 16, 2017 12:14 AM

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I fell asleep watching this episode πŸ˜…those susanoo-like things look amazing; unlike the initial gold one that appeared

This story confuses me. To date I understand that ren is related to [karlkraft/mecurius] I forgot his name, and everybody is there to prepare him for lord Heydrich, I think.
The Knights of the black table are there now for that purpose, but why is there two factions?
Dec 16, 2017 1:56 AM

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I really don't know why they bother with all these CG mecha stuff, none of those were in the VN

Man this is so retarded even for me who played all the VN
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Very happy to see Best Girl Beatrice, even if it was a non-speaking role in a short flashback.

ZionPulse said:
Of course, he can now use ZA WARUDO!, yes, that makes perfect, logical sense.

Indeed, it actually does make sense. The problem is the anime only lightly covered what a Beri'ah is, even though we've seen a few of them now. So I guess I may as well talk about Ewigkeit, since it's becoming relevant and the anime probably won't explain it any further than what Kei's lecture touched upon a few weeks ago.

This will be a bit lengthy.

Regarding Ewigkeit


Zelev said:
It's all poorly executed and unoriginal, quite frankly.

And you are absolutely correct! Dies Irae is unoriginal, the core story is about as generic as it gets, and believe it or not, this is actually a plot point. An important one, too!

Where Dies Irae shines though is in the characters, and it's unfortunate that the anime, abridged as it is, is undermining the excellent cast.

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I fell asleep watching this episode πŸ˜…those susanoo-like things look amazing; unlike the initial gold one that appeared

This story confuses me. To date I understand that ren is related to [karlkraft/mecurius] I forgot his name, and everybody is there to prepare him for lord Heydrich, I think.
The Knights of the black table are there now for that purpose, but why is there two factions?

Karl Krafft, Hermes Trismegistus, Alesandro di Cagliostro, Mercurius, and likely countless other names, so take your pick. The story is laid out as an opera, with each character having a different name depending on the "role" they're currently playing (Ren/Zarathustra, Rusalka/Malleus, Rea/Theresia/Sonnenkind, Reinhard/Mephistopheles, etc.). Also there have been two factions since like episode 3, although Valeria's role should be (hopefully) clarified soon.

I hope this was all helpful :)
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Zelev said:
Thank god I'm not the only one that's lost lmao. I thought I was just not paying attention, but this story is so incoherent.


No lol it's just you and a couple other shonentards being too dumb to understand without half an hour of exposition for everything. I'd put a bit of blame on Crunchyroll since their subs are shit and confusing but everything so far has been completely explained and anyone paying attention should be able to tell what's going on unless they have sub 70 IQs.

For example:
In episode 0 we see Valeria Trifa's real body and we see how it changes to this one, LAST EPISODE he has a 5 minute conversation with Lisa where she outright says that he has Reinhard's body now but then there's retards in this same thread thinking that he IS reinhard despite the fact that we've seen the two of them at the same time doing different things. Why do you think he is called Priest of the Grail or Divine vessel? what do you think this "grail" or "divine vessel" he has is?

Just one example of how dumb people here are, I'm sorry but being glad that there are other retards around is not a good really a good thing


Oh my god, thank you for this comment! I was seriously losing faith in humanity to see so many people unable to think about the episodes. On the writing, it can be badly explained yes, but the story is not incomprehensible so far, omg.
Dec 16, 2017 6:28 AM

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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Dies Irae. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of philosophy and metaphysics most of the monologues will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Mercurius’ nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Friedrich Nietzsche’s literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these monologues, to realise that they’re not just chunni as fuck- they say something deep about FOREKNOWLEDGE. As a consequence people who dislike Dies Irae truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Mercurius’ existential catchphrase “Acta est Fabula” which itself is a cryptic reference to Nietzsche's "Also Sprach Zarathustra". I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Masada’s genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. πŸ˜‚

And yes by the way, I DO have an LDO tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎
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Hmm, the running away sequence was just weird to me. But at least we had Riza acknowledge that she wants to save Rea too.

I may have missed something before, but I didn't realize that the Priest guy and Reinhart are on opposing sides? I thought the Priest was part of the round table, so I thought he wanted all of the gates to be opened.

@DoctorFatBird thank you, once again, for taking the time to explain things.

E96825 said:
Zelev said:
Thank god I'm not the only one that's lost lmao. I thought I was just not paying attention, but this story is so incoherent.


No lol it's just you and a couple other shonentards being too dumb to understand without half an hour of exposition for everything. I'd put a bit of blame on Crunchyroll since their subs are shit and confusing but everything so far has been completely explained and anyone paying attention should be able to tell what's going on unless they have sub 70 IQs.

For example:
In episode 0 we see Valeria Trifa's real body and we see how it changes to this one, LAST EPISODE he has a 5 minute conversation with Lisa where she outright says that he has Reinhard's body now but then there's retards in this same thread thinking that he IS reinhard despite the fact that we've seen the two of them at the same time doing different things. Why do you think he is called Priest of the Grail or Divine vessel? what do you think this "grail" or "divine vessel" he has is?

Just one example of how dumb people here are, I'm sorry but being glad that there are other retards around is not a good really a good thing


I understand that you're a fan of Dies Irae and I understand that you love the series, but for those who are anime only viewers this is a really bad adaptation that is confusing. The writing, the lack of character development, and the fact that the plot is simplistic but convoluted to the point of confusion is a big problem here. It has nothing to do with IQ points, but lack of story planning to convey the VN to anime only viewers. I'm sure Dies Irae is a great series, if you've played the VN, but the anime isn't doing any justice to it.

Instead of insulting those who are confused and using words like 'retard' to put them down, why not just explain things or talk about how much you like the show. There's no need to be condescending to those who don't like what you like.
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I may have missed something before, but I didn't realize that the Priest guy and Reinhart are on opposing sides? I thought the Priest was part of the round table, so I thought he wanted all of the gates to be opened.

You aren't wrong, Valeria is the acting commander in Reinhard's absence. This episode casts some serious doubts on his loyalties though. It should hopefully become more clear soon.

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I really don't know why they bother with all these CG mecha stuff, none of those were in the VN

Man this is so retarded even for me who played all the VN

Apparently they were added to visually show how powerfull a character is.
Masada tweeted about it, saying it is something of an inbetween of activation and formation, akin to how Ren materializes Marie.
Basically they manifest the souls they have gathered, but can't be arsed to actually form them into their relic.
https://twitter.com/masada_takashi/status/940880698008915968

They do look kinda silly sometimes though. :P
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Dec 16, 2017 6:39 PM
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E96825 said:


No lol it's just you and a couple other shonentards being too dumb to understand without half an hour of exposition for everything. I'd put a bit of blame on Crunchyroll since their subs are shit and confusing but everything so far has been completely explained and anyone paying attention should be able to tell what's going on unless they have sub 70 IQs.

For example:
In episode 0 we see Valeria Trifa's real body and we see how it changes to this one, LAST EPISODE he has a 5 minute conversation with Lisa where she outright says that he has Reinhard's body now but then there's retards in this same thread thinking that he IS reinhard despite the fact that we've seen the two of them at the same time doing different things. Why do you think he is called Priest of the Grail or Divine vessel? what do you think this "grail" or "divine vessel" he has is?

Just one example of how dumb people here are, I'm sorry but being glad that there are other retards around is not a good really a good thing


Oh my god, thank you for this comment! I was seriously losing faith in humanity to see so many people unable to think about the episodes. On the writing, it can be badly explained yes, but the story is not incomprehensible so far, omg.


This adaptation is a butchery of the source material tbh you can't blame anime only viewers. The story is very simple but they skipped over so much world-building and character stuff that it's a complete incoherent mess unless you have played the VN before.
bla bla bla
The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
Dec 17, 2017 4:07 AM

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Oh my god, thank you for this comment! I was seriously losing faith in humanity to see so many people unable to think about the episodes. On the writing, it can be badly explained yes, but the story is not incomprehensible so far, omg.


This adaptation is a butchery of the source material tbh you can't blame anime only viewers. The story is very simple but they skipped over so much world-building and character stuff that it's a complete incoherent mess unless you have played the VN before.


Because they had budget concerns and the producers fully recognize it. it would have been created at the base without crowfunding, I would have criticized the whole anime, but I can excuse them via this difficulty. This does not excuse everything, however, I have not touched the Visual Novel but I understand the main routine, I take it as an incentive to read the visual novel personally.
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wakka9ca said:
UltimaWeaponEX said:


Oh my god, thank you for this comment! I was seriously losing faith in humanity to see so many people unable to think about the episodes. On the writing, it can be badly explained yes, but the story is not incomprehensible so far, omg.


This adaptation is a butchery of the source material tbh you can't blame anime only viewers. The story is very simple but they skipped over so much world-building and character stuff that it's a complete incoherent mess unless you have played the VN before.

Adaptation is not any butchered or marred in comparison to VN. It's just that anime is much much faster than the novel, and the viewer has to recollect many things to catch up with the story
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wakka9ca said:


This adaptation is a butchery of the source material tbh you can't blame anime only viewers. The story is very simple but they skipped over so much world-building and character stuff that it's a complete incoherent mess unless you have played the VN before.

Adaptation is not any butchered or marred in comparison to VN. It's just that anime is much much faster than the novel, and the viewer has to recollect many things to catch up with the story


Much much faster is an understatement...
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The endless debate between fans and haters. At one point, after spending a lot of time on MAL, you just realize it's totally pointless.
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On MAL, everyone who has used the lame rating system becomes a critic and an intellectual by default, haven't you heard?
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It's episode 10 and i still have no idea whats going on or who are these characters.
SO true. I tried so hard to follow this anime and give it a chance but nope. They don't want understanding. Poor adaptation I guess.
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Sly character Shinpu-sama is trying to form an alliance with MC-kun!
i'm still confused.
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Literally what is going on. Why are there so many new characters every episode and why do they all have like thousand different names.
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To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Dies Irae. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of philosophy and metaphysics most of the monologues will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Mercurius’ nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Friedrich Nietzsche’s literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these monologues, to realise that they’re not just chunni as fuck- they say something deep about FOREKNOWLEDGE. As a consequence people who dislike Dies Irae truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Mercurius’ existential catchphrase “Acta est Fabula” which itself is a cryptic reference to Nietzsche's "Also Sprach Zarathustra". I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Masada’s genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. πŸ˜‚

And yes by the way, I DO have an LDO tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎


Thank you for this post lmao.
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PavelShinpuSama said:
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Dies Irae. The humour is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of philosophy and metaphysics most of the monologues will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Mercurius’ nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Friedrich Nietzsche’s literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these monologues, to realise that they’re not just chunni as fuck- they say something deep about FOREKNOWLEDGE. As a consequence people who dislike Dies Irae truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in Mercurius’ existential catchphrase “Acta est Fabula” which itself is a cryptic reference to Nietzsche's "Also Sprach Zarathustra". I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Masada’s genius wit unfolds itself on their computer screens. What fools.. how I pity them. πŸ˜‚

And yes by the way, I DO have an LDO tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. Nothin personnel kid 😎


Thank you for this post lmao.


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Of course, he can now use ZA WARUDO!, yes, that makes perfect, logical sense.

Haha, I thought about similar thing. xD

Also, I laughed after reading several posts from above claiming that the anime is alright, just us (some viewers) don't want to understand it or are too stupid for this show. Well, I'm not sure whether it was serious or just trolling around, but definitely funny to read.

One sad thing is that I like F. Nietzsche's philosophy and if people say that this anime shows beauty of his philosophy "understood only by burr supreme intellectuals durr" then I prefer to remain somebody called by Dies Irae's fans as stupid and stick to researching certain philosophical thoughts by science, not by searching them in crappy shows like "Dies Irae" is. ;p
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