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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So this is still giving some moments between Marie and Ren. I honestly don't find their relationship that appealing at this point. Kei Sakurai and Ren face off again although this time, it seems that she really shows off her abilties against him. The action flowed well although I feel like there's too much of it. That ending got me a little nervous. |
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| The beginning was very weird. Marie and Ren are getting more moments together. She's practicing to be part of the group. Ren is fighting Kei again. She is quite strong, but got taken out by Eleonore. More trouble for him. |
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| What a rushed mess was the whole episode were those first 3 minutes. I can´t deny that I enjoyed that Lisa and Trifa conversation or the idealistic talk between Ren and Kei, but damn were the scenes underwhelming in terms of buildup. The former in particular I bet it was particularly hard to follow for anime onlies due to awful the Isaak/Johann stuff was foreshadowed (at one point even Lisa´s argument didn´t made sense at all, since what she was trying to protect was not Johann himself, but his lineage). Also, the Tubal Cain summoning came out of nowhere and if they had expanded that scene in the dungeons for 3 or more seconds, they could have avoided that. What a mess, it seems that they aren´t even trying anymore. On another front, poor Ren. He really doesn’t get a break of these freaky guys and now even Samiel wants a piece of him flaming mecha incoming. Nice to see that Lotus has also been foreshadowed. |
KaitonDec 8, 2017 11:36 AM
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| I am not shocked at the poor quality of the anime. I am, however, surprised at the garbage quality of the crunchyroll subs, what with the complete failure to even attempt translating Keis incantation. It might be chuuni nonsense ancient Japanese but they could at least google it. |
| This doesn't look like it's going to end with 11 episodes at all. |
AnimeCruizer said: This doesn't look like it's going to end with 11 episodes at all. That is because the anime isn't ending so soon. There are 6 more episodes (12-17) that will air as ONAs. |
KaitonDec 8, 2017 12:45 PM
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| Riza birthed Reinhard who grew and died but she kept the body and fcked it and had another child and now Trifa is in reinhard's body :O wew. Ren putting kei in her place. |
ichii_1Dec 8, 2017 2:43 PM
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joa12222 said: You're way off, but it's probably the anime's fault for explaining it so badly. She fucked Reinhard's body and gave birth to Isaak, who was mentioned at the end of the previous episode. Should have said Trifa is in reinhard's body. |
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| Still waiting for Wolfgang :/ |
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Troll12345678966 said: Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed I get what you mean... The episodes are quite detached from one another; I personally have do a quick recap session every week ________________________ I like how instead of ren beating kei and moving on to the next one, the next one decided to finish her off to hurry things up😂😅 |
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Troll12345678966 said: Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed I thought I was beginning to understand the show, but now I'm lost again. |
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| Lel, the first scene was great. Idk, almost everyone say that an anime is rushed, but it really isn't. it manages to convey everything important in a quaint manner |
| In time, you will know the tragic extent of my fapping's... |
lookatthestars said: Troll12345678966 said: Anyone else who doesnt ubderstand anything?? Im totally lost, nothing makes sense and nothing is connected. Help needed me too lol each episode seems more confusing than the previous I was thinking about playing the VN to see if the things are more compreenhensive Me three lol And is that guy seriously lusting for Theresia, in the previous episodes I thought he was just joking lol |
| DISCLAIMER: I have not played the original VN. And the following post is just me expressing my personal OPINION. This show, IMO, is one of the leading candidates for most DISAPPOINTING (if not the outright WORST) anime of the entire year for me. It was NOT deserving of all the hype it got at all! To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? |
| Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton, 1887 If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator. --George W. Bush, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect, Washington, DC, Dec. 18, 2000 |
patco23 said: To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1). No. The anime does alright with the fights for the most part, some of which are more over the top than in the visual novel 2.) Probably. I think the VN is pretty well organized |
patco23 said: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1.)no, everything is worse 2.)yes |
| This show still holds my attention and excites me in the crazy, over-the-top way, but I officially stopped having the slightest about what the hell's going on, who's fathered whom, who's whose reincarnation and such. Will reading Dies Irae wiki help? I've been holding on that until now because I don't want to spoil myself much, but I'm understanding less and less of what's going on with each episode, so it's probably time... |
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glassknuckles said: patco23 said: To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1). No. The anime does alright with the fights for the most part, some of which are more over the top than in the visual novel 2.) Probably. I think the VN is pretty well organized Thanks for the reply! Sadly, I expected as much from reading other boards. I have heard good things about the VN, so I may have to check it out one of these days. |
| Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. --Lord Acton in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton, 1887 If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier...just as long as I'm the dictator. --George W. Bush, during his first trip to Washington as President-Elect, Washington, DC, Dec. 18, 2000 |
| So... still dunno wtf is going on :) |
CG said: This show still holds my attention and excites me in the crazy, over-the-top way, but I officially stopped having the slightest about what the hell's going on, who's fathered whom, who's whose reincarnation and such. Will reading Dies Irae wiki help? I've been holding on that until now because I don't want to spoil myself much, but I'm understanding less and less of what's going on with each episode, so it's probably time... I tried doing that last night, but there isn't much information out there. I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? |
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Kawsar said: So liza gave birth to rienhard who died. She kept his body, fucked it and gave birth to Isaac, who she let live and not sacrifice because according to trifas, he was a failure. Trifas, possessed the dead body of reinhard while liza was riding it. I'm confused. Some one who played or read the VN please help a brother out. Here's a maybe slightly spoilersh explanation since the anime might not clear this up any more: I don't know if the anime is going to go into Lisa's motivations for what she did though, we'll see I suppose |
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DoctorFatBird said: MonoJuMal said: I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? Regarding Lisa: Regarding Kasumi and Rea: Regarding Shirou and Ellie: There's a lot more to the story, but the exact nature of what's really going on is a big spoiler, so I'll stop here, although I'll be happy to clarify more down the line if need be :) You are awesome! Thank you so much for answering my questions, as this definitely clears things up a lot more. It's kind of disheartening that anime only viewers lost out on 20 some hours of backstory and context, because the way the adaptation is going gets confusing. So if Shirou and Ellie are gobbled up, as shown from before, then does that mean that their roles here end? I thought Shirou was Ren's right hand man? |
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DoctorFatBird said: Gotta say, the anime's been entertaining, but...a really, really poor adaptation of the source material. I'm enjoying it for what it is, but then again I have low standards. Figure I can try to answer a few questions, at least. If I get anything wrong, feel free to correct me. patco23 said: To those who have played the original VN, I would like to know two things: 1) Does this show actually do justice to the original VN? 2) Is finishing the VN a prerequisite to making sense of this show? 1) No. The anime adapts, as has been mentioned, the 3rd of 4 routes. That is to say, it's missing 20+ hours of backstory and context that sets up the events you're seeing. And it's doing a very, very poor job of filling in the blanks. 2) Based on the answer to #1, probably, yeah. MonoJuMal said: I get the basic premise, there's a war between two sides and Ren has to fight someone. It's just there are other things that are confusing, like Riza, after raping a dead Reinhart, gave birth to two sons one was sacrificed and the other wasn't. What I don't understand is that the one sacrificed I thought his line is dead, but it seems the show implies that it ends with Theresia? And the other son became Kasumi. Right? But I don't understand why this revelation is important if Ren just has to fight Reinhart. And why did Theresia ask Ren to rape her? What relevance was there for that? Also, what happened to Shirou and that girl? Regarding Lisa: Regarding Kasumi and Rea: Regarding Shirou and Ellie: There's a lot more to the story, but the exact nature of what's really going on is a big spoiler, so I'll stop here, although I'll be happy to clarify more down the line if need be :) Props to you mate. I was lost in a daze for 8 episodes, and now I've finally seen a bit of light. :D |
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MonoJuMal said: DoctorFatBird said: Regarding Lisa: Regarding Kasumi and Rea: Regarding Shirou and Ellie: There's a lot more to the story, but the exact nature of what's really going on is a big spoiler, so I'll stop here, although I'll be happy to clarify more down the line if need be :) You are awesome! Thank you so much for answering my questions, as this definitely clears things up a lot more. It's kind of disheartening that anime only viewers lost out on 20 some hours of backstory and context, because the way the adaptation is going gets confusing. So if Shirou and Ellie are gobbled up, as shown from before, then does that mean that their roles here end? I thought Shirou was Ren's right hand man? Calm down nigga your questions would be answered in next few episodes don't dilapidate the story for yourself. VN players have been grating mountains of text in ignorance to attain these answers; you are supposed to be confused until the very end of the story |
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| Riza is a slut MILF killer! lolz 3/5. |
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| Let's face it, Dies Irae is one of the worst animes in this year. The source material might be less terrible and it probably doesn't deserve this cheap adaption. Why did they even made such a show when nothing makes sense. |
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| I wonder what Reinhard feels that his body was raped :( |
| So many people are confused by this series and give it a low rating. I still say it's pretty rad in my opinion and it makes sense if you pay close attention.XD I dunno...it doesn't deserve such a bad rating, but oh well. |
Fabienne said: Let's face it, Dies Irae is one of the worst animes in this year. The source material might be less terrible and it probably doesn't deserve this cheap adaption. Why did they even made such a show when nothing makes sense. Because at the base they did not have the means to produce the anime and that they had to proceed via a crowfunding, maybe? In another sense, without that, there would be no Anime. We must see this as an incentive to read the Visual Novel, and not to have played, when I see that each character has his personality and a lot of questions, it encourages me to play. I have the impression that we attack the anime a lot without taking into consideration the difficulties of production. |
| Riza's quite sexy. I liked that end card. I came in here with tons of questions, thanks to the awkward first couple of minutes of the episode, but this thread basically answered everything. Thank you to @ShieldKnight and @DoctorFatBird. And now I also understand that weird and awkward conversation Rea had with Ren in the dungeon. The woman who showed up at the end looks badass, btw. |
MormegilDec 14, 2017 12:44 PM
AkiKitazawa said: ShieldKnight and DoctorFatBird thanks for explaining. I'm still having trouble though and I don't think it'll change lol. I just can't remember who's who and stuff. Like Reinhards corpse? Johann was mentioned before??? I don't remember any of the things happening xD I'm just sitting this one out and taking peace with not understanding what I'm seeing and going here for more explanations every time. Reinhards corpse wasn't really explained. Valeria did mention Johann in the episode where kasumi and ren fought though. |
| So Ren still has done nothing and 2 more gates have opened. |
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Iguana-kun said: because theyre meant to One thing that is annoying me, you know, other than plot in general, is that a few of the characters look similar and have the same colored hair. So on top of not understanding anything I am not sure who the characters even are sometimes. |
| This was a clusterfuck of an episode! No pun intended. I don't understand how censorship works. It's perfectly fine to show people getting brutally murdered and decapitated, but sex with a man in a vegetative state (or was he dead?) is not OK? Or does that mean it was rape because he wasn't able to give his consent? |
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| What a mess... I dunno what's going on with the story. The only things that prevents me from dropping this anime are quite okay fighting sequences. By the way, that Reinhard guy was dead or half-dead? If its the first possibility, then Riza is a necrophile, if the second then should we assume she raped him? Man, not only the plot is a mess, but controversial stuff like that is making it even more twisted. Iguana-kun said: One thing that is annoying me, you know, other than plot in general, is that a few of the characters look similar and have the same colored hair. So on top of not understanding anything I am not sure who the characters even are sometimes. Yeah, that too. Sometimes I feel lost as hell because several characters look very similar to each other, differing only by small details. The same hair colours or their voices' similar tones are complicating everything even more. |
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