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Jan 13, 2017 11:58 AM
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There is so much bullshit going on in this chapter. Wasn't the witch thing is GENERATIONAL? I mean there was a whole arc with Nene finding about the previous witches from the history of the school or something back in chapter 120-ish.

How could Shiraishi be the original witch, if and when the power exists for countless of time in the school's history? Unless Shiraishi is A REAL WITCH, as in immortal, then that is bullshit.

The story went full circle with memory erase and ceremony. But it's worse because the author destroys her own continuity.

Although there's a chance that Shiraishi is actually a witch for decades... I mean she's "smart" so she could've just learned the same thing for years and years and finally mastered it. But there's a counter argument when she failed her grades a few chapters ago. So this is confusing.

Jan 13, 2017 2:39 PM
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Original witch = original wifey. She's the one and only.
Jan 13, 2017 4:38 PM
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DarklordVor said:
THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER.
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There is so much bullshit going on in this chapter. Wasn't the witch thing is GENERATIONAL? I mean there was a whole arc with Nene finding about the previous witches from the history of the school or something back in chapter 120-ish.

The story went full circle with memory erase and ceremony. But it's worse because the author destroys her own continuity.


I honestly forgot about this whole thing until you mentioned it again, so there better be a non-bullshit explanation as to what the hell is happening, because like you said, it fucks with continuity.

I honestly liked the way this new arc seemed to be heading, one last 'I'll find her' thing to end the manga was a good idea to end this for me personally, considering there really isn't anything left besides a story like that. I can understand how people just want Yamada to have studied hard and gotten into Tono U., but just a liiiiitle more isn't too bad for me. But the reasoning for what's happening is bullshit. This 'Original Witch' thing really needs to be explained in detail to not fuck with everything.
Jan 13, 2017 5:30 PM
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If she's been a with for generations... Who are these parents forcing her to transfer? Considering how well this story had been put together up til now, I hope there is a better explanation.
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Jan 13, 2017 6:00 PM
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Shirashi the original witch...

Somehow, I'm not really surprised by this. Can't wait to see what Yamada will say when he finds her.
Jan 13, 2017 6:15 PM
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So Shiraishi forgot about Yamada? Isn't she keeping a notebook with info about him so she can remind herself of him after memory loss? And feeling won't go away either. If author want to Megane-chan readers again, she has to try harder.
Jan 13, 2017 6:43 PM
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The twist is possibly the worst twist in the series for me.
Jan 13, 2017 8:09 PM
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So Shiraishi forgot about Yamada? Isn't she keeping a notebook with info about him so she can remind herself of him after memory loss? And feeling won't go away either. If author want to Megane-chan readers again, she has to try harder.

Right. She found her diary before... Why should there be any tension about her finding it again? Good point.
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Jan 13, 2017 8:16 PM
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The twist is possibly the worst twist in the series for me.


You know... You might be right. I love this series because *every* twist thus far has made me curious and brought more tension to the story. This... This one just seems to be making me question everything the mangaka has already told me. Is she an immortal witch? If so, what are these "parents" forcing her to transfer literally months before graduation? Shouldn't she actually be at least 70 years old at this point if she was the *first*.

Only way I am currently seeing the mangka can write her way out if it is that she is the first of the generational cycle which is set to repeat the following year. If that is the case, then, as Cybex pointed out, this is just another rehash of the *last* twist... Which is kinda sad, considering how well Yoshikawa-sensei has kept my attention thus far.

I seriously hope she is a much better writer than we all are expecting. :-$ (Please let her be... This series is what made me pay attention to manga...)
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Jan 13, 2017 8:47 PM
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Cybex said:
So Shiraishi forgot about Yamada? Isn't she keeping a notebook with info about him so she can remind herself of him after memory loss? And feeling won't go away either. If author want to Megane-chan readers again, she has to try harder.

Right. She found her diary before... Why should there be any tension about her finding it again? Good point.

Let's just hope that I didn't jinx it.
Jan 13, 2017 11:11 PM

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The story is reaching new bottoms, this is some next level bullshit by the retarded author.
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Jan 14, 2017 12:08 AM

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Well, this is an unfortunate direction the manga seems to be going. I'll just clam up and hope for a reasonable explanation, but as mentioned already by a good chunk of you, this hardly feels satisfying in any way and just doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
Jan 14, 2017 4:25 AM

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well one witch had the power of time travel so Im expecting some random time travel bullshit to explain all of this
Jan 14, 2017 6:19 AM

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I usually don't comment about this manga..

But this twist was so... bad.. she just put all the story of the beginning in a trash. Why the author needs to drag the story so much, is she afraid of drawing another manga and have a failure? oh my god, just let it die.
Jan 14, 2017 3:23 PM

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Now Shirashi has amnesia? The author seriously loves playing the amnesia card that it's not even funny.
Jan 15, 2017 12:11 AM

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Author doesn't know how to extend the life of their work so they ended up pulling some bs that contradicts with how the witch's work and an earlier plot point. wtf is this fuckery
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Jan 15, 2017 3:27 AM

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How the hell is she the original witch if there were witches even before she enrolled into the school?? Like everybody already said this is a very bad twist...

Just let it die, author-san... The manga was really nice but tbh I can't really remember all the lost memories and witches and whatever detail. It was nice and entertaining but let them graduate for goodness sake.
Jan 21, 2017 5:12 PM

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That ending actually surprised me a lot. So Shiraishi is the origin of all witches and since she is gone, so is the powers and the other witch powers are also gone. Now that I read people's comment I actually also find it weird for her being the first witch. That must be she is very old and why does she want to go college now if she have been there for so many years? Maybe Yamada broke that cycle and made her change and not want anyone to have the witch power anymore. But that's really strange cause why does she want anyone to have witch power at all. It doesn't make sense at all. As other people also expect and want, I really want a good explanation for this.

But it's great that the potential is high for Yamada and Urahara being a happy couple in the end . Let's see how this turns out. I hope the author doesn't disappoint and have good explanation for it.
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Jan 22, 2017 5:11 AM

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Wtf is going on with this manga? It's going downhill. Weren't there past witches before yamada's batch and the batches before that? How can she be the first witch when there were witches before her? Immortal and she keeps on erasing peoples' memories just to keep her in high school? Ridiculous!!
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Feb 8, 2017 2:12 AM
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Hmm to think that the truth was actually like that
But just as Takuma said she would still need to be here for the grad ceremony
as she intends to go to university as well thus she needs to pick up her diploma.

In a way i think Urara wanted to spare her friends and Yamada's from being sad by doing it this way.
Still it looks like somethings off though since the spell only worked for those that were still in school at the time Miyamura should not have lost his memories as well.

And now even the powers of the witch is starting to vanish too eh
seems like this is something else entirely
So that was one hell of a revelation
that Shiraishi was the one who gave birth to the witch powers

So essentially Shiraishi is the original witch eh
wow that sure was unexpected
Man the price for allowing Yamada to retain memories of her was pretty steep
So Shiraishi now has no memories of anything at all then eh

She wanted to ensure that Yamada had all the memories of their time together at all costs eh. But this way she also ensured that Yamada would try and find her again and hopefully give her the life that she always wanted.
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Nov 22, 2017 8:38 PM

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this doesn't make any sense. the witch are generational, up to 40 years ago if I'm not wrong.

If Shiraishi is the original, then doesn't that mean she's immortal?

Jul 21, 2:31 PM

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What a stupid chapter, this really sucks asf!

What a big hole in this plot. I mean the Witches are existing since 70 years ago in this academy so how tf Shiraishi suddenly became the original, and how tf Takuma is remembering her too when she paid the price for Yamada only?

Also this original witch thing wasn't mentioned in any of student council old reports to begin with. All the thing just doesn't add up.


Man, it's like Tom & Jerry chasing; I lost my memories, you lost your ones, again I lost them..etc, so come and save me, it's just dragging the silly memories thing

I know now, that I should've been stopped at anime only and not read this shitty manga.

And it seems a lot of people hated this chapter just like me.

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