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Sep 10, 2016 5:25 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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Lol I almost forgot how cute Mai can be in the present timeline.

The episode didn't have much action but with it being a transition related to Zamasu getting his hand on the Super Dragon Balls, it makes sense. I do kinda like that focused more this episode on the future timeline part though, in particular Mai's role.

Zamasu and his poker face..lol
Sep 10, 2016 7:08 PM
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I don't what happens in the manga but, I have made a theory from watching the episode.

I think Zamasu in the future knows about Goku because in the future timeline, Zamasu has naturally become the Kaioshin of his Universe. With his new status, he checks out the powers of the time ring and the other green rings and sees the different timelines, including the present-day timeline (where he finds out about goku), then uses the Super Dragon Balls to make himself immortal and reincarnate Gowasu's body into Black (hence why Zamasu & Black have similar ki and the green potara earring).

The present-day Zamasu obviously has found out about Goku by meeting and fighting with him. His resentment towards humans obviously is still there but by the meeting with Goku its almost like a same-doing is happening but going a different course, where he kills Gowasu to steal the ring in order travel for a year (to make the Super Dragon Balls active again after Beerus' wish) and make his wish to become immortal.

Bearing in mind in the future timeline, we haven't seen any deities apart from Zamasu so if deities do split off with their timeline like mortals, there is a question of where is Beerus and Whis in universe 7 in the future timeline?
[Unless Gods and deities don't split off with their timelines and Zamasu's antics from the present-day get him travelling all the way through to the future and it matches up to where he merges into the future timeline, but that's unlikely]

Also bearing in mind that it looks like the Super Dragon Balls are located in between universe 6&7, meaning that without the universe tournament that Gowasu was watching in an earlier episode, Zamasu had no knowledge of them. And in the future, Goku and Vegeta are dead, which would lead to there not being a tournament... clearly debunking my own theory lol

But what do you think? What did you take from the show ? Overall it's getting really exciting !!!
Sep 10, 2016 9:11 PM
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So Vegeta's HP didn't drop below 5 ehhh, no free level up.
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Sep 10, 2016 9:28 PM
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This is basically how I feel about the whole episode;



Then again, I suppose after all this action we had to have some break. But it really felt like the episode was sluggish. It didn't need to take the entire episode just to get to Zamasu.


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Sep 10, 2016 9:46 PM
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Zamasu and his new found immortality and how he obtained it was pretty clear since the reveal he was immortal in last episode...

The enigma here is Black… Son theory that he was created maybe is the partial truth. To me the creation of Black has to be Goku body without a soul ~ his clone or his death body from Future Trunks timeline ~ inhabited by someone… Who is this someone? That is the question...

Until proven I won discard Gowasu he is covering for Zamasu by lying to Beerus & Co. so maybe he is going to switch sides by his own or by Zamasu doing (manipulation) maybe the Tea is a big part in all of this slowly corrupting him via the tainted Tea...


On another note:

I like the interaction of Future Trunks with past Mai but I think is time for him to take a couple of steps away from her (maybe go and train dammit! You got your candy @$$ whooped) to give little Trunks a chance for more interaction with her because doing it this way (her interacting with him solely) feels like she fell for Future Trunks and not with the real Trunks if you know what I mean (I know that this is not the case but it feels that way for the moment)...
Sep 10, 2016 11:31 PM
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normal dragon ball is enough for immortality right? look at freeza

they made theory like they are from same time line


just say this zanwhatever still hate human look alike on F trunks line
why he even know a dead body with max level ss2
other gods not give a shit to anything zanwhatever doing (either killed by wish or being absorbed)
why he even know other universe power


dragon ball logic new arc = new saiyan or u dead
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Sep 11, 2016 1:03 AM
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How did Zamasu even meet Goku to create a copy in Future Trunks timeline if he died long before of a heart disease?
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Sep 11, 2016 3:42 AM
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How did Zamasu even meet Goku to create a copy in Future Trunks timeline if he died long before of a heart disease?

I didn't see the episode yet but Future Zamatsu could be future Zamatsu from Goku 's timeline that went to Trunks's alternate timeline with his ring or something else.


Edit: I liked the episode.
Zamasu is good and interesting villain for db.
I don't think Whis's theory about Black are correct.
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Sep 11, 2016 4:45 AM
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Very informative episode, actually the face moment of Beerus that got dessert... lmfao.

No episode next week, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY, FUCK YOU :[
Sep 11, 2016 7:19 AM

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Boring episode.
It was funny when Beerus stole Kaioshin's dessert.
Sep 11, 2016 7:33 AM

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Very exposition heavy episode, but interesting. I wonder if they'll save Gowasu.
Sep 11, 2016 8:37 AM

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Ok episode.Lol at Beerus stealing Kaioshin's dessert and everyone's reactions when Goku used his brain for once.The explanation about Black is somehow a little underwhelming if he is only a created puppet and Goku is dead in the alternative era so how future Zamasu knows about him?I'm interested what will happen with Gowasu though,in the preview it seems that he is spilling his tea like he was poisoned by Zamasu.Despite the plot holes this is still very interesting.
Sep 11, 2016 8:47 AM

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i really dont like time travel
its better to change the term to world travel. trunks isn't really the future, but just parallel world
trunks' world Zamasu never met goku since goku is dead. the zamasu in trunks' world is the same zamasu in goku's world. it isn't really time travel, just traveling to parallel world
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Sep 11, 2016 9:06 AM

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Zamasu trolling everyone like a boss!
Sep 11, 2016 9:37 AM
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A much needed informative episode. Pretty much Whis, Beerus and Bulma were the stars of the episode. They kept dropping lots of info and imo it makes sense to use the time rings to go into the future and use the wish rather than wait a year.

It's all starting to become clear. Black created from the Super Dragon Balls. Maybe Zamasu wished for Goku to be alive again but with Zamasu's ideals put into him. Wouldn't it be better to have the real Goku instead of some copy?
And it makes sense imo because when Black first fought Goku in the present timeline, he wasn't as strong and probably didn't know much about fighting skills. There's a big gap between the Goku that's been training with Whis and Beerus vs the Future Goku who doesn't have those skills.

Either that or Zamasu wished for a strong evil Goku rather than wishing Goku back to life.


Beerus is such a funny character, steals Supreme Kai's dessert lol

I hope Future Mai and the others don't get killed but something tells me that the Resistance will panic and get destroyed, thus leaving Mai to fend for herself.

So no DBS next week, oh well, but at least next week should be epic.

Sep 11, 2016 10:03 AM

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Ok now my head hurts because of this travel nonsense. If Zamasu created black, and Goku is responsible for his creation because he met up with Zamasu... then that means that if Goku hadn't met and fought Black beforehand he never would've met Zamasu in the first place since that's the reason he met him.. Which means that black shouldn't have existed in the future before Goku met Zamasu because he was created due to them meeting and......

Ah my head! I give up, no point in overthinking this.
Sep 11, 2016 10:21 AM

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Remember everyone, this is Whis talking. Whis!...
This whole time travel thing is all ****ed... either there are more then 2 parallel worlds or **** this ****.... Zen-chan is probably watching being like "I am best troll"
I want to see universe 10's god of destruction because if gowasu dies, s/he dies.
Whis is just evil and is trying his best to be the God of Destruction, he is angry because he got apprenticed into the wrong job!
Edit: Guilek is right! I feel dumb now. ok this feels more natural now, thanks for pointing out the obvious that i somehow missed <3
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Sep 11, 2016 10:22 AM
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It was an alright episode. Zamasu is the one who created Black!
Sep 11, 2016 10:25 AM

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Remember everyone, this is Whis talking. Whis!...
This whole time travel thing is all ****ed... either there are more then 2 parallel worlds or **** this ****.... Zen-chan is probably watching being like "I am best troll"
I want to see universe 10's god of destruction because if gowasu dies, s/he dies.
Whis is just evil and is trying his best to be the God of Destruction, he is angry because he got apprenticed into the wrong job!

There's more than 2 different timeline.
1) Trunks's timeline
2) Our heroes's timeline
3) The timeline where Cell killed trunks and steal his time machine.
4) the timeline where (dead) trunks went.
Sep 11, 2016 11:04 AM
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MYSTERY RESOLVED: I think there is a past timeline of the present like this present is the past timeline of the future. Now we have The Future, The Present, and The Past. The Future Zamasu that we saw, in reality, is the Past Zamasu. And the real Future Zamasu has not met Goku and probably he doesnt know about the Super Dragon Balls, so he is out of the main plot...for now...maybe we will see him, maybe The Future Zamasu is a good guy, who knows.
Sep 11, 2016 12:29 PM

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So if trunks hadn't had come from the future, goku wouldn't had to fought zamasu, and all of this wouldn't of happened, but it still did happen. :D

Series getting really intense.
Sep 11, 2016 12:32 PM

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Seems like they can't do anything against Zamasu in the present time because he hasn't done anything wrong. Hmmm.

I wonder how they will defeat an immortal being.

Great episode.
Sep 11, 2016 12:39 PM
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When Goku said "we will become immortal too" I thought that they finally figured out that they can do that with the dragon balls.

I hope Whis is wrong, because that would be really boring explanation.
Sep 11, 2016 2:20 PM

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So Black was made from the Super Dragon Balls?

You know, when you go to it, most theories are crazy, and the most likely answer is the simple one.

"He is an evil clone created by the Super Dragon Balls!"
"Huh, who knew"
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So Black was made from the Super Dragon Balls?

You know, when you go to it, most theories are crazy, and the most likely answer is the simple one.

"He is an evil clone created by the Super Dragon Balls!"
"Huh, who knew"
But that wouldn't quite explain why he has similar Ki to Zamasu, would it? If nothing else, his Ki should be more similar to Goku's then...Black still remains a big mystery imo.
Sep 11, 2016 4:59 PM

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Hmm now a lot of thing make much more sense. Where came Black from and how Zamasu got his immortality. But I also don't understand why Zamasu and Black have a similar Ki, normally especially after that episode it's irrational.

Was funny to see how everyone was surprised about Goku being so clever at some point :D

The question now is how can they beat an Kaioshin who's imortal and Black who's as strong or even stronger than SSJ Blue?

I'm curious if they can protect Gowasu from Zamasu. This will definitely interesting to see.

Sep 11, 2016 6:23 PM

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i think Black Goku has the soul of the dead Zamasu in the next episodes lol, that will be some confusing time travelling situation going on
Sep 11, 2016 10:05 PM

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It was a good episode.
Goku's idea on how to become immortal with Senzu was hilarious.

Also everyone's reaction to Goku using his brain for once XD

As for the explanations, They were interesting but I'm not completely bought on them. Zamasu did not know Goku in the future timeline, Even if both of them harbored hatred for humanity, It doesn't make sense for the one from the future to wish for Black. So only the Zamasu from the current timeline could have wished for Black, So are we talking the future Zamasu of the current timeline as the culprit? But it makes no sense for him to travel to the alternate timeline in that case.
HenryT said:

You know, when you go to it, most theories are crazy, and the most likely answer is the simple one.

"He is an evil clone created by the Super Dragon Balls!"
"Huh, who knew"

Yeah I'm going with this one. XD
Sep 12, 2016 1:17 AM
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goku didn't say "make me black" he just said "make black" as in make that person which they named black. there are no black joke in there.

the old tea kai sure is one spoiled little brat.
Sep 12, 2016 4:31 AM

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...The question now is how can they beat an Kaioshin who's imortal and Black who's as strong or even stronger than SSJ Blue?



With SSJ Green silly.. :P

Sep 12, 2016 4:35 AM

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Well, a lot of questions answered but this also gives birth to a lot of other mysteries as well. Looking forward to the next ep
Sep 12, 2016 5:25 AM
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Uh oh, Zamasu had a face of someone who is going to give poisoned tea in the end

How easy for Zamasu to gather that all Super Dragon Balls, even gods of destruction had difficulty time for it



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Sep 12, 2016 12:29 PM
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KC(Resistence members patches in the future)? Kaiba Corp? Whats this?!
Sep 12, 2016 1:28 PM

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We found out more about Zamasu. It's was very obvious (at least for me) that he would kill his teacher since they have different view of justice. But that he used the dragonballs to get immortal was actually very unexpected. And he used the time ring to get Goku back in life and make him a evil man. Wow, that's was not expected at all. Still many mysteries to solve, so this is gonna be very interesting to watch. :)
Sep 12, 2016 1:37 PM

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Very informative episode, actually the face moment of Beerus that got dessert... lmfao.

No episode next week, WHYYYYYYYYYYYYY, FUCK YOU :[


Dammit, that means no OP ep. either. -.-
Sep 13, 2016 3:58 AM

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well all this time traveling and parallel world thing is pretty interesting and I love the theories you guys make, but fact is that this has always been poorly "exectued".

nontheless, love this arc so far and enjoyed the last few episodes a lot
Sep 13, 2016 3:50 PM

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This show is terrible with time. I could excuse some of the issues because they were not going to the future, but to a different future.

Now they are saying things played out the same way in both worlds. Even though Goku died and would have never made it to God level in Future Trunks World. So it's just a mess that's getting more messy the more they connect the dots. It only works if you add in even more timelines/universe's. Oddly enjoyable for what a wreck it is.


They aren't saying that.

Future Zamasu could be future Zamasu from Goku's timeline that travel to Trunks alternate's timeline with his ring or something.
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Wallflower said:
This show is terrible with time. I could excuse some of the issues because they were not going to the future, but to a different future.

Now they are saying things played out the same way in both worlds. Even though Goku died and would have never made it to God level in Future Trunks World. So it's just a mess that's getting more messy the more they connect the dots. It only works if you add in even more timelines/universe's. Oddly enjoyable for what a wreck it is.


They aren't saying that.

Future Zamasu could be future Zamasu from Goku's timeline that travel to Trunks alternate's timeline with his ring or something.


Yeah, that. Didn't the gang asked how could Zamasu appear in the future anyway?
They acknowledge that, so there will be an explanation.
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Sep 14, 2016 4:28 AM

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Wallflower said:
Guilek said:


They aren't saying that.

Future Zamasu could be future Zamasu from Goku's timeline that travel to Trunks alternate's timeline with his ring or something.
That still doesn't make any sense. Why would he go to the new timeline the gang created to destroy the humans? I agree there is time for things to make sense, but I have to say I am doubting it.


Maybe because in Trunk's timeline, Beerus is dead since the Kaioshin died helping Trunks againts Babidi and Dabura.
Or to steal Goku's dead body from this timeline.
Sep 14, 2016 7:32 AM

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KC(Resistence members patches in the future)? Kaiba Corp? Whats this?!

Piccolo Daimao saga, King Castle soldiers.
Sep 17, 2016 5:30 PM

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No new episode this week.
Sep 17, 2016 6:56 PM
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No new episode this week.

It's getting really annoying. How many more weeks without episodes this year?
Sep 18, 2016 3:42 PM

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No new episode this week.

It's getting really annoying. How many more weeks without episodes this year?


Well.. It can't really compare to the annoyance of Other TV-shows who have several weeks/Months break sometimes even mid-season.
Sep 20, 2016 1:12 AM

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Well, it was a nice episode.
The Arc is interesting so far.
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Sep 28, 2016 11:08 AM

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they just talked in this episode
Oct 2, 2016 10:01 AM

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This doesn't make any sense. Goku died long ago in Trunks's timeline. There was no way Zamasu would have known about him there.

Also lol at the gods calling him patience for waiting 1 year. Even for a normal person, 1 year isn't a lot of time, what would 1 year matter to a god who lives forever?
Oct 11, 2016 2:47 AM

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Oct 27, 2016 12:10 AM

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The info dump and complexity of the plot is increasing!
LOL @ Goku using his brain for the first time!
5/5.


Nov 10, 2016 9:54 AM

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Well Beerus destroying someone actually made this episode the best one of this whole arc so far.
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I wonder why Beerus and whis are so inclined to take on this task. I guess its entertaining for them. On another hand.. Destruction is beerus job so I guess he is not happy about someone else doing that.

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