Re:ZERO -Starting Life in Another World- (light novel)
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LoneWizard said: Subaru is a HUMAN (unfortunately not a clever one) and humans does stupid things...This was actually a GREAT DEVELOPMENT for Subaru...This was the first time he was selfish and his actions made sense even if those actions were stupid af...He didnt do it for Emilia like he claims,he did it because he wanted to show off to his waifu...He did it for appreciation,glory and self satisfaction... Same thing with Ram&Rem killing Subaru,Subaru acted like an ass but its ok because he is human and he had reasons to do so...I can understand people hating this kind of human emotions and behaviour but humans are ugly(or devils =_=)...Get over it... I couldn't agree more with what you said, especially the last part. I get that some people want to watch anime to escape reality, heck, I do that too. But I seriously don't get how people then can complain about normal human behaviour in an anime (referring to the last scene here)... sure, it's far off from the generic-af hero who doesn't ever have any mental problems, but don't these people who are complaining about it know anything about humans or human psychology? It's really sad to see. |
| I don't really know...this episode just didn't work for me. I'm sure it is because of Subaru, he was just embarassing to watch. |
Nayrael said: All in all, I still think that Subaru's love for Emilia is artificial and forced by the Witch. And after seeing him in this episode, I wonder if the day will come when he goes so crazy that he outright harms Emilia due to his "love". In worst case, the show may go Valvrave on him. Yep. That's the only way I can see this going. Emilia is the Witch and trolling everyone and Subaru's Obsession/Jealousy of Emilia is something implanted by the witch and she is observing him destroy himself up close, while edging him on, which fits the Witch of Jealousy title. Sarnik said: For all you watchers who came into this show expecting Subaru to always be the likable with no emotional faults, end your suffering right now and drop it. I'm serious. No. We just expected Subaru to stay a consistent character instead of coming off as someone with split personality. |
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| Also if arc 3 is supposed to be that amazing, i'm sure that this is the respawn point at the end. So no fixing there. |
| This episode in a nutshell, basically. iRels said: I also noticed that. For a guy who is most likely viewed like a plebeian by nobles, his way of talk with them it's too casual for the status he would have in that world. Now his behavior in this episode has a bit more of sense.Subaru has escapism. He couldn't take being told be inferior to another person. I always found strange how he behaved so casually in front of nobles like Roswaal. As if he were his equal... |
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Illyricus said: This episode in a nutshell, basically. iRels said: I also noticed that. For a guy who is most likely viewed like a plebeian by nobles, his way of talk with them it's too casual for the status he would have in that world. Now his behavior in this episode has a bit more of sense.Subaru has escapism. He couldn't take being told be inferior to another person. I always found strange how he behaved so casually in front of nobles like Roswaal. As if he were his equal... Yeah I was waiting for him to be arrested/ killed on the spot for acting like that in front of those nobles. |
Shi-rho said: It was same when Rem killed Subaru,everyone went mad...People here dont seem to understand humans are humans...But that is to be expected because most of the people here exposed to 2D more than 3D and in 2D characters tend to be either evil or good... LoneWizard said: Subaru is a HUMAN (unfortunately not a clever one) and humans does stupid things...This was actually a GREAT DEVELOPMENT for Subaru...This was the first time he was selfish and his actions made sense even if those actions were stupid af...He didnt do it for Emilia like he claims,he did it because he wanted to show off to his waifu...He did it for appreciation,glory and self satisfaction... Same thing with Ram&Rem killing Subaru,Subaru acted like an ass but its ok because he is human and he had reasons to do so...I can understand people hating this kind of human emotions and behaviour but humans are ugly(or devils =_=)...Get over it... I couldn't agree more with what you said, especially the last part. I get that some people want to watch anime to escape reality, heck, I do that too. But I seriously don't get how people then can complain about normal human behaviour in an anime (referring to the last scene here)... sure, it's far off from the generic-af hero who doesn't ever have any mental problems, but don't these people who are complaining about it know anything about humans or human psychology? It's really sad to see. It all comes down to unrealistic expectations of an average Otaku...Emilia summed it up perfectly with this:  |
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| Great episode as always, i like Subaru more, he is the man, even if he lose he will continue till the death to fight in what he believe. 5/5 Sarnik said: For all you watchers who came into this show expecting Subaru to always be the likable with no emotional faults, end your suffering right now and drop it. I'm serious. Agree, but i like Subaru more after this episode, i like characters that aren't likeable at all and fuck up sometimes, i like characters that aren't perfect and do mistakes. :) |
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Smudy said: Also if arc 3 is supposed to be that amazing, i'm sure that this is the respawn point at the end. So no fixing there. I've only read summaries, but... |
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| Ah I didn't think it was the greatest episode....it was god awful embarrassing when Subaru kept on shouting "for Emilie-tans sake" but it wasn't all bad either, the last few minutes at the end needed to happen at some point in the story....I wonder if Subaru will kill himself again (don't really think he will but you never know)...all in all I think it would be worth a 3 or 4 out of 5 |
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| Lesson learnt the hard way there (hopefully). I personally think Subaru and Emilia were both annoying this episode and dealt with the situation completely the wrong way.Natural of humans to act differently and make mistakes too. I do believe Subaru may calm down a bit after this though. Feel really bad for the guy tbh even though he was a moron it was still hard to watch. |
cloud8100Jun 26, 2016 1:14 PM
| Did the gem react to felt the first arc too? I guess now they argued quite badly, if only there was a way to revert what happened and do this day again... |
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LaxusAK said: What? Subaru was always a self-serving douchebag. He just seemed cooler in previous episodes because he was able to get things to go his way after dying a few times without seeming selfish. This episode he was his usual selfish self the only difference is he wasn't able to get out of it by death(at least for now). Emilia is his and he will not see his prize tarnished. He believes he is completely separate from the country's affairs and classes/factions and that's why he does and says whatever.( I still love him though =) ) P.S: He was just called out for it more this epsiode than any other episode. Yeah, he was such a selfish guy, literally putting his life on the line for the villagers and Rem multiple times last ar....oh wait, no he was not selfish at all. He literally chose to reset his survival solely to save others. And he was so stupid too all those episodes. I mean its not like he kept planning ahead, being crafty and actually use his bra...oh wait, no he was not stupid at all. Ep10-11 he is still this crafty dude who has realized that this is no game and decided to put his life on the line for others even if it makes him scared as hell. He still plans ahead and is likeable realistic guy. Suddenly come Ep12-13 and its like a different character who only obsesses over Emilia, delivers yandere "asada-san asada-san" level rants and literally lacks a brain. |
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| I'm all for character development and mindbreak as plot element, but they need care when implemented and I think that here it was really forced and, again, out of character. A story with time loop involved is a great excuse to add mindbreak to the protagonist, sure. But it felt really out of place this way I don't know if it's just the anime adaption or the source material as well and I really hope it gets treated better later on. |
| Subaru is going to psychologically break down again. I don't want to see him suffer any more :( |
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| I felt terribly bad for Subaru this episode. But he was immensely stupid by ignoring Emilia's request to stay and kept on piling the mistakes every time he opened his mouth. His humiliation was total and absolute across the board. I was hoping for a reset that never came. To the people that have read the source material, please try to be careful and use spoilers, even when just expressing opinions. One doesn't want to have the story ruined by comments of people displeased with the adaptation. |
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Fai said: I will never understand how you thought Subaru was a crafty and smart guy...He was simpleminded,hotheaded and acted solely on his emotions...Did we actually watch different shows?And he was so stupid too all those episodes. I mean its not like he kept planning ahead, being crafty and actually use his bra...oh wait, no he was not stupid at all. Ep10-11 he is still this crafty dude who has realized that this is no game and decided to put his life on the line for others even if it makes him scared as hell. He still plans ahead and is likeable realistic guy. Suddenly come Ep12-13 and its like a different character who only obsesses over Emilia, delivers yandere "asada-san asada-san" level rants and literally lacks a brain. |
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| Man that was painful to watch. |
| Little worried that some people may think negatively of Julius. He's actually in the right here, and is actually a very honorable guy. Subaru just fucked up everything he could. |
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striderzz said: If only it didn't go back to status quo of arc 1... Poor guy's developments of two arcs got thrown away(stupid still likeable) and hardly care for him now(although ik edgy deaths are incoming and people will wipe those tears). I am more interested in Felt and co. What developments? He's not doing anything different than he did in last two arcs. It's his just recklessness is biting him in the ass in a more complex situation that can't simply be solved through simple means. It's more like you want a shallow character who never mistakes and who actions can't be perceived negatively. |
LoneWizard said: Fai said: I will never understand how you thought Subaru was a crafty and smart guy...He was simpleminded,hotheaded and acted solely on his emotions...Did we actually watch different shows?And he was so stupid too all those episodes. I mean its not like he kept planning ahead, being crafty and actually use his bra...oh wait, no he was not stupid at all. Ep10-11 he is still this crafty dude who has realized that this is no game and decided to put his life on the line for others even if it makes him scared as hell. He still plans ahead and is likeable realistic guy. Suddenly come Ep12-13 and its like a different character who only obsesses over Emilia, delivers yandere "asada-san asada-san" level rants and literally lacks a brain. I'm going to agree with you on this. He's definitely done some clever things, but he's still pretty naive. Episode 8 is another episode that showcases this "stupid" behaviour when he is under a lot of stress. |
| Fantastic episode and emotion. Very tense and hard to watch at the end. |
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LoneWizard said: Fai said: I will never understand how you thought Subaru was a crafty and smart guy...He was simpleminded,hotheaded and acted solely on his emotions...Did we actually watch different shows?And he was so stupid too all those episodes. I mean its not like he kept planning ahead, being crafty and actually use his bra...oh wait, no he was not stupid at all. Ep10-11 he is still this crafty dude who has realized that this is no game and decided to put his life on the line for others even if it makes him scared as hell. He still plans ahead and is likeable realistic guy. Suddenly come Ep12-13 and its like a different character who only obsesses over Emilia, delivers yandere "asada-san asada-san" level rants and literally lacks a brain. Adding to that, he talked with Roswaal in a inappropiate manner (as he came in), he disrespected Beatrice's authority and her age, he thought of Rem and Ram as 0815 maids, that are in a game, and he made light of thugs. His disrespectful behavior was indicated in the previous episodes. It doesn't come off as selfless. He thinks of his actions as selfless, but are they really like that? Dismissing the negative things he did and just looking at the positive ones isn't the way to look at his character. |
Re:Zero nice troll ending.  |
| Honestly, as much as I like Subaru, he did deserve all of that. That "white knighting" shit has gotten out of hand. But I can only wonder if a time will come where he can finally explain everything to Emilia. |
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| A relatively rushed episode in comparision to the manga. Not that I expected anything amazing though, since nothing major has happened yet. Interestingly, they didn't end it with that cliffhanger like the manga did. Very curious to see what happens next. |
| Cannot wait for to appear. The edge will be glorious. |
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AzureSymphony said: I really hope Subaru stops being so blatantly selfish and possessive soon, these last two episodes have been incredibly cringeworthy with the constant deluded shouting and it has started to sour my feelings about the series. Absolutely. Even knowing that other people can't understand his revival, and even knowing that a lot of his efforts have backfired, and even after Emillia points out how selfish he's been, he continues to be selfish and expect people to feel bad for him. The last few episodes have been so emotionally forced. And all that screaming he did at the end just made him sound like some creepy stalker. I hope the writers don't expect me to feel bad for him, because his lack of self-awareness and selfish behavior makes that really hard. Even Shinji Ikari didn't irk me this much. |
LoneWizard said: Fai said: I will never understand how you thought Subaru was a crafty and smart guy...He was simpleminded,hotheaded and acted solely on his emotions...Did we actually watch different shows?And he was so stupid too all those episodes. I mean its not like he kept planning ahead, being crafty and actually use his bra...oh wait, no he was not stupid at all. Ep10-11 he is still this crafty dude who has realized that this is no game and decided to put his life on the line for others even if it makes him scared as hell. He still plans ahead and is likeable realistic guy. Suddenly come Ep12-13 and its like a different character who only obsesses over Emilia, delivers yandere "asada-san asada-san" level rants and literally lacks a brain. He had his flaws as cringy neet from time to time and he was awkward around people, but he was never dumb. Sure he was socially awkward guy who felt out of place and delivered cringy lines, but He was always insightful and he always used his brain to solve his situations. He was never dumb or obsessive like this. I literally can't see THIS SUBARU trying to con Rom into buying a cellphone by claiming it is magic. Nor I can see him forsaking his own survival and jumping off a cliff just to save the maids. Hell, this Shitbaru version we see in this episode most likely laugh in Ram's face about Rem's death and go off trying to get Emilia's date. He went from a realistic guy with flaws, but with a brain, to a completely idiotic obsessed stalker and it contradicts everything about him in the first 11 episodes. As someone said it before this should have been Arc 2. It would make AT LEAST SOME sense then. But not after the actual arc 2. |
AhenshihaelJun 26, 2016 1:31 PM
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| Subaru has been such an annoying chuuni so far, that I was actually happy that he finally got owned. I don't know what Emilia sees in him to be so patient so far; good thing she finally snapped at the end. |
 Thanks, person who gave me this on another site a long time ago, lol. |
| Julius best guy. Saved Subaru's ass from being death penalty'd. |
| I pity Subaru I mean I can kinda understand his obsession with Emilia. Just imagine this: You're stuck in a weird world with a fantasy setting without knowing why and without knowing anyone or anything about this world at all. Then there's this one person who's really kind to you and with whom you share heartwarming memories. It's only natural that he'd end up being dependant on that person imo. So I see his reaction in the end as an act of desperation because he feels more and more distant to Emilia and is worried that he could lose her. Ironically he exactly archived what he feared most. |
Smudy said: Julius best guy. Saved Subaru's ass from being death penalty'd. DarklordVor predicted a three way hate for this episodee (Subaru, Emilia and Julius). Just the first one came true though. :D |
Re:Zero nice troll ending. |
Sometimes791 said: LoneWizard said: I will never understand how you thought Subaru was a crafty and smart guy...He was simpleminded,hotheaded and acted solely on his emotions...Did we actually watch different shows? Adding to that, he talked with Roswaal in a inappropiate manner (as he came in), he disrespected Beatrice's authority and her age, he thought of Rem and Ram as 0815 maids, that are in a game, and he made light of thugs. His disrespectful behavior was indicated in the previous episodes. It doesn't come off as selfless. He thinks of his actions as selfless, but are they really like that? Dismissing the negative things he did and just looking at the positive ones isn't the way to look at his character. Right. I have no idea some people Fai missed that. Yes he's certainly clever well meaning and witty but he's bumbled a lot those flaws in his character were never addressed. Especially point of view of characters who aren't the audience. Subaru's isn't some Knight in Shining Armor, he's very much human filled with his own vices and doesn't always understand situations he's in. He's now being confronted situation where those flaws costed him. It's clear this arc he now have to learn deal with and grow as better person. |
| Man, I just want to punch Subaru so hard...what the hell did he think he can achieve with the way he acted. His face is bad enough and now his attitude is even worse. He is such a disappointment at this point of the series...make things worse for Emilia as well. Wish I can punch him so hard, he die to death. |
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| Do not see why Emilia and Julius would get hate. This episode made it real clear who you should hate. |
Sometimes791 said: Smudy said: Julius best guy. Saved Subaru's ass from being death penalty'd. DarklordVor predicted a three way hate for this episodee (Subaru, Emilia and Julius). Just the first one came true though. :D Not really. I hated all of them this episode. |
| Read the manga adaption before this and they didn't show Emilia's power to the council using Roschi's plan. Oh well. I bet Subaru wants to die so he can reset what he said. Hope they don't drag it and do it next ep. |
Smudy said: Do not see why Emilia and Julius would get hate. This episode made it real clear who you should hate. 'Cause Julius acted like an asshole, even though it was Subaru's fault, and Emilia 'cause she doesn't understand a fuck. |
Fai said: Nayrael said: All in all, I still think that Subaru's love for Emilia is artificial and forced by the Witch. And after seeing him in this episode, I wonder if the day will come when he goes so crazy that he outright harms Emilia due to his "love". In worst case, the show may go Valvrave on him. Yep. That's the only way I can see this going. Emilia is the Witch and trolling everyone and Subaru's Obsession/Jealousy of Emilia is something implanted by the witch and she is observing him destroy himself up close, while edging him on, which fits the Witch of Jealousy title. Personally, I think she wants to be a good girl now, probably due to being jealous towards those heroes she always saw. This might explain why she always tries to be such a good girl: she is evil but desperately wants to be nice, if only for a while. In this episode, she also mentioned that she wanted someone to treat her like a real person, not someone who would idolize her. But don't most people despise her? Unless she is used to Witch Cultists admiring her and was envious for someone to treat her differently? Still, I don't think she is aware of Subaru's time-traveling. If I had to guess, the future Emilia form a Subaru-less world started this to save herself and get an absolute protector. But that might contradict the fact hat she should have been able to bring her memories with her. |
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