| One of the biggest questions i had since this was announced is, how are they planning to treat 02´s ending? im pretty much curious if they will develop the character to make them fit more into the 02 ending, or if possible do some small changes but keep it pretty much the same or completely discard that ending and work on a new (and hopefully better) ending for the series? What do you guys think might happen? |
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| Pretty sure the ending's staying the same, we're just now getting something to bridge the gap and hopefully provide some closure to a few things. |
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| I doubt they will even hint at it in any shape or form. I don't think there will be something like "20 years after" ending. At least I hope that way. They surely realized after 02 that this kind of thing is unnecessary. So I think these movies won't pay attention and deal with it. But if I'm wrong, then I'd go with the option that they will stick to the original ending of 02. In that case, we will probably get little hints like maybe Yamato saying he's interested in space or something like that. |
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| Retcon bruh. |
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| Unfortunately, Tri has been confirmed to take place 3 years after 02. They ended 02 by showing the epilogue with them in the future. Closure. In my opinion, since that was done and none of the staff that worked on 01 and 02 are working on Tri(I checked and no new info has changed that), Tri should have been an alternate reality after 01 where the events of 02 never happened. The Digimon universe having alternate realities is canon due to Brave Tamer. I just feel that the chance to do that was wasted since we know how this is going to end. |
| If you see that my post is exactly 1 month old (or more) from when it was posted... Don't waste your time, especially when you want to reply with something petty & insignificant. Assume that I've moved on (because I have). |
| just watch the first part. 02 is not being overwritten. |
| I wish they'd retcon the whole shit. I definitely wouldn't mind. |
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| 100% getting retconned, a new character was created solely to make Tai get shipped with someone this time. |
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Jerkhov said: 100% getting retconned, a new character was created solely to make Tai get shipped with someone this time. So basically Taiora is now definitely confirmed to be sunk? |
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Tenshi_Shura said: Jerkhov said: 100% getting retconned, a new character was created solely to make Tai get shipped with someone this time. So basically Taiora is now definitely confirmed to be sunk? It was sunk since 02 episode 38. |
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SHINOBI-03 said: Tenshi_Shura said: So basically Taiora is now definitely confirmed to be sunk? It was sunk since 02 episode 38. Yeah but there were slight chances that the creators might retcon it when it hasn't aired yet but then again, they introduced a new girl so yeah, it has officially been sunk. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: SHINOBI-03 said: It was sunk since 02 episode 38. Yeah but there were slight chances that the creators might retcon it when it hasn't aired yet but then again, they introduced a new girl so yeah, it has officially been sunk. Not really. If they decide to follow 02 story then Yamato & Sora should have been dating since middle school, but that's not what happen here. In Tri they still haven't become a couple. So... anything is still possible. |
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hiruman said: Tenshi_Shura said: Yeah but there were slight chances that the creators might retcon it when it hasn't aired yet but then again, they introduced a new girl so yeah, it has officially been sunk. Not really. If they decide to follow 02 story then Yamato & Sora should have been dating since middle school, but that's not what happen here. In Tri they still haven't become a couple. So... anything is still possible. Also its seems something is up between Izumi and Mimi, and I remember Mimi ended up with that american guy in 02 |
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badwolf45f said: hiruman said: Not really. If they decide to follow 02 story then Yamato & Sora should have been dating since middle school, but that's not what happen here. In Tri they still haven't become a couple. So... anything is still possible. Also its seems something is up between Izumi and Mimi, and I remember Mimi ended up with that american guy in 02 But this is still the first movie so yeah anything is possible even that stupid epilogue might happen eventually. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: badwolf45f said: Also its seems something is up between Izumi and Mimi, and I remember Mimi ended up with that american guy in 02 But this is still the first movie so yeah anything is possible even that stupid epilogue might happen eventually. The only reason people find it stupid is because some of their pairings didn't became canon, truth be told |
MightyM16 said: Tenshi_Shura said: But this is still the first movie so yeah anything is possible even that stupid epilogue might happen eventually. The only reason people find it stupid is because some of their pairings didn't became canon, truth be told That's not the only reason though. It was a massive time skip and a completely random one at that. |
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Tenshi_Shura said: MightyM16 said: The only reason people find it stupid is because some of their pairings didn't became canon, truth be told That's not the only reason though. It was a massive time skip and a completely random one at that. You know it is quite common to use epilogues with a timeskip at the end of a story, I don't see how it could be considered random |
MightyM16 said: Tenshi_Shura said: That's not the only reason though. It was a massive time skip and a completely random one at that. You know it is quite common to use epilogues with a timeskip at the end of a story, I don't see how it could be considered random When I say random, it means it was such a long time skip that it basically skips forward to their adult years that it feels so surreal. Most time skips are usually 1-3 years (FT had 7 but it was shit). |
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Tenshi_Shura said: When I say random, it means it was such a long time skip that it basically skips forward to their adult years that it feels so surreal. Most time skips are usually 1-3 years (FT had 7 but it was shit). Not really, it is a common practice in fiction to end a story with a 10 to 20 years time skip or more. |
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trasal said: it was so long since ive watched the failure called digimon 02 but if i remember correctly every kids gets their own digimon at the end of the story even before the epilogue right? and with the huge digimon fights all over the world on the winter,im wondering why the news at eps 1 only state kuwagamon as unknown flying thing, in fact with how the story progressed at 02 there is no way everyones irl doesnt know what the hell digimon is Not every kid got a digimon at the end of 02, nor it was a failure, most people who regard it as such are 01 nostalgia freaks People are supposed to know what a digimon is since 01 considering Odaiba literally witnessed a huge digimon attack there |
MightyM16 said: trasal said: it was so long since ive watched the failure called digimon 02 but if i remember correctly every kids gets their own digimon at the end of the story even before the epilogue right? and with the huge digimon fights all over the world on the winter,im wondering why the news at eps 1 only state kuwagamon as unknown flying thing, in fact with how the story progressed at 02 there is no way everyones irl doesnt know what the hell digimon is Not every kid got a digimon at the end of 02, nor it was a failure, most people who regard it as such are 01 nostalgia freaks People are supposed to know what a digimon is since 01 considering Odaiba literally witnessed a huge digimon attack there Not every kid got a Digimon, but enough did to make the title of "Digidestined" lose it's significance of being special/chosen. Can't really be special when there were/are hundreds of other kids with digivices and partners across the world. Thank the 02 World Tour arc for that. Things are compounded with even more people getting digivices and digimon partners before and after the epilogue. Also, there are people who are fans of Tamers and Frontier who also don't like 02. So it isn't just Adventure fans, blinded by nostalgia. |
trasal said: it was so long since ive watched the failure called digimon 02 but if i remember correctly every kids gets their own digimon at the end of the story even before the epilogue right? and with the huge digimon fights all over the world on the winter,im wondering why the news at eps 1 only state kuwagamon as unknown flying thing, in fact with how the story progressed at 02 there is no way everyones irl doesnt know what the hell digimon is Oh please, 02 was far from failure. Sure it had some weak writing here and there but it's not down right horrible and it's still watchable. Xros Wars Time Hunters on the other hand is what you could call a real failure and the worst portion of the entire franchise. |
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badwolf45f said: We don't know who Mimi ended up with. Fans speculated that it was Michael because of her son's wavy hair, even though her kid looks like her. The only characters they mentioned spouses for were Yamato & Sora and Ken & Miyako. Everyone else's spouses were left unknown.hiruman said: Not really. If they decide to follow 02 story then Yamato & Sora should have been dating since middle school, but that's not what happen here. In Tri they still haven't become a couple. So... anything is still possible. Also its seems something is up between Izumi and Mimi, and I remember Mimi ended up with that american guy in 02 If they do somehow retcon it so that Koushirou and Mimi ended up marrying...that'll explain why those two with their kids looked like an actual family in the epilogue. lol AllStarNemesis said: This was my understanding as well. Not everyone received a partner....they just became public knowledge after the events of 02.MightyM16 said: Not every kid got a digimon at the end of 02, nor it was a failure, most people who regard it as such are 01 nostalgia freaks People are supposed to know what a digimon is since 01 considering Odaiba literally witnessed a huge digimon attack there Not every kid got a Digimon, but enough did to make the title of "Digidestined" lose it's significance of being special/chosen. Can't really be special when there were/are hundreds of other kids with digivices and partners across the world. Thank the 02 World Tour arc for that. Things are compounded with even more people getting digivices and digimon partners before and after the epilogue. Also, there are people who are fans of Tamers and Frontier who also don't like 02. So it isn't just Adventure fans, blinded by nostalgia. |
ssjup81Nov 23, 2015 7:36 AM
AllStarNemesis said: MightyM16 said: Not every kid got a digimon at the end of 02, nor it was a failure, most people who regard it as such are 01 nostalgia freaks People are supposed to know what a digimon is since 01 considering Odaiba literally witnessed a huge digimon attack there Not every kid got a Digimon, but enough did to make the title of "Digidestined" lose it's significance of being special/chosen. Can't really be special when there were/are hundreds of other kids with digivices and partners across the world. Thank the 02 World Tour arc for that. Things are compounded with even more people getting digivices and digimon partners before and after the epilogue. Also, there are people who are fans of Tamers and Frontier who also don't like 02. So it isn't just Adventure fans, blinded by nostalgia. It was explained that literally anyone that saw a digimon has the potential of having a digimon partner if they come in contact with the digital world What made the 8 originals special are their crest power which is unique to them, so yes they didnt lose any significance Most people that hate 02 do so due to nostalgia regarding 01, they cant handle that the 02 crew took the spotlight of certain characters, they cant handle that some of their pairings didnt happened, however they dont have problems with Tamers and some other series because they arent trying to be a sequel to the original adventure |
| ^ TPTB did put 02 in the position that set it at odds against Adventure. Mainly with how they handled the Adventure cast. Not with pairings so much, but more with Competency Barriers/Zones [url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompetenceZone[/url], used to prevent the Adventure cast from joining the action. The control spires, the OG Digivices not being able to open the digiworld anymore, the retcon of the original giving up their crests to heal the digital world (even though the crests were destroyed in battle with Apocalymon, and they established that the digidestined had the power inside them all along), and an overall general uselessness to plot until the World Tour Arc. If 02 had been something phenomenal, I don't think people would complain, about the original kids being underutilized. 02 does have a lot of problems, but even with it's strengths (the nonstop, in your face action) it just comes off as being "Okay". Like JesuOtaku said, what 02 gives us is "mediocre but entertaining". |
AllStarNemesisNov 23, 2015 9:24 PM
AllStarNemesis said: ^ TPTB did put 02 in the position that set it at odds against Adventure. Mainly with how they handled the Adventure cast. Not with pairings so much, but more with Competency Barriers/Zones [url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompetenceZone[/url], used to prevent the Adventure cast from joining the action. The control spires, the OG Digivices not being able to open the digiworld anymore, the retcon of the original giving up their crests to heal the digital world (even though the crests were destroyed in battle with Apocalymon, and they established that the digidestined had the power inside them all along), and an overall general uselessness to plot until the World Tour Arc. If 02 had been something phenomenal, I don't think people would complain, about the original kids being underutilized. 02 does have a lot of problems, but even with it's strengths (the nonstop, in your face action) it just comes off as being "Okay". Like JesuOtaku said, what 02 gives us is "mediocre but entertaining". This is exactly the type of thought proccess people generally use to say 02 was complete crap (which it isnt) "Ah the 01 group didn't got any spotlight" meanwhile they forget that they did got quite the spotlight just not in the same level that the main cast got 02 wasn't phenomenal, it had problems with retcons and some dropped storylines due to the board having a lot of directors, however it is beyond me why people use the lack of action of the 01 cast as one of the reasons it sucked when 02 was never their anime to begin with which is why I think the control spires and the original digivice not being able to open a digital gate made sense 02 strenght isn't in the nonstop action, it is in Ken's storyline (by far the best redemption storyline in all series until now), characters like BlackWargreymon and Oikawa who presented themselves as interesting villains beating by far the enjoyable but cardboard cutout villains the original gave us It is not the best series, it has problems but it still had good if not amazing points, people just happen to forget all about it due to pure bias towards the original |
MightyM16 said: AllStarNemesis said: ^ TPTB did put 02 in the position that set it at odds against Adventure. Mainly with how they handled the Adventure cast. Not with pairings so much, but more with Competency Barriers/Zones [url]http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CompetenceZone[/url], used to prevent the Adventure cast from joining the action. The control spires, the OG Digivices not being able to open the digiworld anymore, the retcon of the original giving up their crests to heal the digital world (even though the crests were destroyed in battle with Apocalymon, and they established that the digidestined had the power inside them all along), and an overall general uselessness to plot until the World Tour Arc. If 02 had been something phenomenal, I don't think people would complain, about the original kids being underutilized. 02 does have a lot of problems, but even with it's strengths (the nonstop, in your face action) it just comes off as being "Okay". Like JesuOtaku said, what 02 gives us is "mediocre but entertaining". This is exactly the type of thought proccess people generally use to say 02 was complete crap (which it isnt) "Ah the 01 group didn't got any spotlight" meanwhile they forget that they did got quite the spotlight just not in the same level that the main cast got 02 wasn't phenomenal, it had problems with retcons and some dropped storylines due to the board having a lot of directors, however it is beyond me why people use the lack of action of the 01 cast as one of the reasons it sucked when 02 was never their anime to begin with which is why I think the control spires and the original digivice not being able to open a digital gate made sense 02 strenght isn't in the nonstop action, it is in Ken's storyline (by far the best redemption storyline in all series until now), characters like BlackWargreymon and Oikawa who presented themselves as interesting villains beating by far the enjoyable but cardboard cutout villains the original gave us It is not the best series, it has problems but it still had good if not amazing points, people just happen to forget all about it due to pure bias towards the original People gravitate toward the Adventure cast, because the 02 cast is weak/boring by comparison. No one is going to tout that Daisuke/Davis is a great or even a good lead, but everyone will say he's obnoxious and annoying. Same for Yolei. Cody is just there. Kari's "destiny" as the Digimon Queen goes nowhere. T.K. is ok, but he only has two standout moments, when he stands up to Ken and when he confronts Black War Greymon. Ken's story is interesting, but he stops being compelling after DNA digivolving with Davis. His redemption and acceptance by the other digidestined takes a backseat to the Arukinemon/Black War Greymon/DNA Digivolution arc. Which gives us more action. As well as a villain who goes on and on about how he doesn't know what he's doing, and is just going to destroy things until he figures out what to do. Oikawa is ok and his desire was tragic. However the retcons of the dark spores, the dark ocean, the control spires, dark digivice and the eleventh hour, behind the curtain reveal of Myotismon is behind all did take the wind out of his sails. Even Arukenimon and Mummymon were retconned to be Myostimon's creations, and not Oikawa's like we originally were told. 02 had all the ingredients for a great series, but settled on being "press a button digivolve" and give us action, show to sell toys and other merchandise. Which Digimon was originally conceived as. I think people get more out of Adventure because the cast is defined better and there is an adventure. This is just my opinion of why people dislike 02/prefer Adventure. Feel free to disagree. |
AllStarNemesis said: People gravitate toward the Adventure cast, because the 02 cast is weak/boring by comparison. No one is going to tout that Daisuke/Davis is a great or even a good lead, but everyone will say he's obnoxious and annoying. Same for Yolei. Cody is just there. Kari's "destiny" as the Digimon Queen goes nowhere. T.K. is ok, but he only has two standout moments, when he stands up to Ken and when he confronts Black War Greymon. You can argue about Yolei but Cody received a good deal of development in the later arcs due to Oikawa's involvement with his father which is something many people forget about it Davis fit his role perfectly, he isn't meant to be a natural leader like Tai, he is meant to have such a determination to the point of being annoying about it, he is meant to be a simple person with siomple desires which is part of the reason of why he is the first to reach out to Ken, he doesn't receives a lot of development but he is there to act as a foil to the character that receives more development in the series, Ken I agree that Kari character was somewhat wasted since the whole dark ocean thing was left unexplored and I also agree with your assessment of TK's character as well But I don't even need to talk about to Ken, do I? So tbh, the cast was indeed inferior compared to the original adventure, but some pieces were legitinmately good and they shined when they were together with other pieces that weren't legitimately good Ken's story is interesting, but he stops being compelling after DNA digivolving with Davis. His redemption and acceptance by the other digidestined takes a backseat to the Arukinemon/Black War Greymon/DNA Digivolution arc. Which gives us more action. As well as a villain who goes on and on about how he doesn't know what he's doing, and is just going to destroy things until he figures out what to do. I disagree, Ken's character arc remains being explored even after the tone shifts after the first DNA digivolution, an example of it is the Christimas episode when he struggles to invite his friends to a party at his home BlackWargreymon is an amazing villain, he destroys and keeps destroying because he doesn't knows "what is his purpose", its not like he just wanted to rule everything or was a mindless monster like most of the original adventure villains Oikawa is ok and his desire was tragic. However the retcons of the dark spores, the dark ocean, the control spires, dark digivice and the eleventh hour, behind the curtain reveal of Myotismon is behind all did take the wind out of his sails. Even Arukenimon and Mummymon were retconned to be Myostimon's creations, and not Oikawa's like we originally were told. Tbh some of the things you call retcons aren't even a retcon in the first place, they are just pieces that were added o the adventure series lore, the dark spore for example is a link back to the Wonderswan games where Ryo ( from digimon tamers) and pre emperor Ken are the protagonists, the dark spore actually being a part of the ultra powerful digimom Milleniumon Control spires and the dark ocean also aren't retcons just because they weren't referenced in the original, rather they are just something that was added without damaging any other pre exisiting concept Myotismon reveal and fight could have been done better for sure, but it's far from a retcon, as well as Arukenimon and Mummymon being his lackeys instead of Oikawa's is also far from being a retcon, just a minor plot twist 02 had all the ingredients for a great series, but settled on being "press a button digivolve" and give us action, show to sell toys and other merchandise. Which Digimon was originally conceived as. I think people get more out of Adventure because the cast is defined better and there is an adventure. I agree that it had all the ingredients to be even better than it already is, however it had some problems wiht the board of directors and etc. I doubt however that you can compare adventure 02 to something like Michael Bay's transformers, it still has a legitimate and fair depth in Ken, Oikawa, Blackwargreymon's characters and it still manages to somewhat develop some of it's characters This is just my opinion of why people dislike 02/prefer Adventure. Feel free to disagree. You bring up some legitimate points but unfortunately most of other people's arguments about why they hate 02 is because "They shafted the original 8 omg", "my pairing was crushed, fuck 02" and so on |
MightyM16Nov 24, 2015 9:17 AM
| I have a feeling that they are gona pull a Dragonball Super on us and void the epilogue or something |
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Beap said: DBS has yet to contradict the EoZ epilogue.I have a feeling that they are gona pull a Dragonball Super on us and void the epilogue or something |
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| 02 never happened and never will. About Tri ending, i hope the main 8 ones fix all of this like they always did, even in 02 helping the useless new digidestined (and Hikari, which is an OK digidestined, and TK which should have been the main protagonist in 02 as he's the wiser and more experienced one, as well as the braver - beat Ken first and faster than useless Daisuke - ) |
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argentino_kek said: 02 never happened and never will. About Tri ending, i hope the main 8 ones fix all of this like they always did, even in 02 helping the useless new digidestined (and Hikari, which is an OK digidestined, and TK which should have been the main protagonist in 02 as he's the wiser and more experienced one, as well as the braver - beat Ken first and faster than useless Daisuke - ) 02 is better than Tri. |
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