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Ventris said: Dragon_Slayer_X said: What plotholes? Please give some legit ones. Like, for example, that the side our "heroes" fight for conveniently maintains regular forces, despite them being established as totally useless and thus only a drain of resources. Meanwhile, the bad guys don't even guard their camp "because they are confident". Or the fact that a supposedly highly advanced warmachine has no redundancies whatsoever for an obviously important system, no redundancies on its internal sensors and no failsafe to shut down in an emergency. My fucking car is better designed. and dont forget about the convenient maintenance log |
| ehh i'm giving them the benefit of the doubt for the first object fight but if they continue to use "lazy writing" as people have stated for the plot Convenient then we're gonna have a problem. But lets go! fighting on some FOBs! i wont stop making Metal gear references whenever i get the chance! |
katsu044Oct 16, 2015 6:41 PM
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| Great episode. Havia and Qwenthur were just amazing in this ep and that ending looooool. |
| Despite feeling like this episode was rather imbalanced, the direction this show is going seems interesting. Can't wait to see how their fame plays out. |
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| Great episode! Havia and Qwenthur really shined in this episode. Even whey they became trapped into a corner, they still had a way to counteract. Qwenthur caused the Object to completely explode and that was one huge explosion geez. xD Frolaytia came in just in time to save them as well. The formal at the end was nice, Frolaytia looks so hot and Milinda's pretty cute. :D |
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| that was a good episode but i'm not buying the fact that there's almost nobody guarding the building with their Object's parts in it , that's just non sense , that or the enemy really is dumb |
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| This episode makes me glad that I didn't drop the series a while ago. 8/10 |
BlancchetOct 17, 2015 10:33 AM
| I really enjoy this Anime, one of my favorites this season. Tokoya said: I swear people have to nitpick on every single damn thing -_- Yep and even more so when the nitpicking is really dumb |
| I'm feeling thank you |
| Its definitely showcasing enough reasons not to drop it. Much improved over the first episode. Not sold yet but I will stick around for a while to see where it goes |
| People need to give this anime a chance |
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| Better than episode one, but still on par with episode two. Still waiting for it to get better. It bothered me that Havia is shrugging his shoulders, looking like he's slacking off while they're in the middle of the enemy's base! I'd be constantly clenching the gun's handle, tighter than my asshole if I were in a prison, while looking around for ideas in an idle position ready to fire at any time should any enemies walk in through the door. But here he is just shrugging his shoulders, eyes closed, looking like an idiot. Sure they used quick-thinking and their will to send the transmission, blow up the Object and ultimately win, but I just can't seem to like these two characters for the life of me. If it's not Queefer that rubs me the wrong way, it's Havia. I think I get the gist of why this show is currently in the 6/10 range. The one thing they did right with this episode that stood out the most, was making me think this episode was the last, and that would be the end of that because it got axed (which would have been understandable). Oh, and that eyecatch card in the intermission...I think I'll stick around for those. |
| so many winks and thumbs up in this one... dunno why it must be done JC... and i expect a serious plan discussion not the leisure one like picnic... i know the light conversation in the action is to make them not nervous , but at the planning... |
| bad english incoming sorry for that |
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| think i'm gonna drop this and pick up shingeki parody instead lol Can't stand the VA's for this show and the story is pretty mediocre. I don't like sci fi shows that throw random jargon at you to propel the events in the show. It feels convoluted. Also MC reminds me of Aldnoah Zero which was also shit |
| And this is why you never f**k with an engineer. Great episode overall. Do enjoy how the main cast went old school (well old school for the HO world anyway) on the opposing army. Nice combination of plot and justice near the end there and that punch line in the boys' life at the very end. Probably inherited a certain red clad archer's luck when they became 'heroes'. |
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| And down goes the scarab! This show definitely is handled well... Having a legitimate feeling wartime anime with properly utilized sci-fi elements is a damn nice change. The strategy, the tactics, and the semi-realistic feel of being a soldier, whilst not getting too gritty. Those 2 guys make an awesome and believable team. The technobabble flows convincingly to real technical jargon, and not your cheesed dictionary flipping. Defeating the Strider seemed a little too easy, but i guess the point is the hubris of the Objects. I hope Milinda can be more helpful in the future. I really don't know what the griping is about... oh wait, most tv show watchers are thickheads these days... Try dusting off some of that grey matter. |
GenesisAriaOct 17, 2015 12:17 AM
❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| Solid Snake would be proud of this episode, I think. In all seriousness I think this show got shit on too early and these first 3 episodes have been awesome but thats just my opinion anyway. |
| Now that what i call the art of war f*ck these object's Such great action , good dialog , great explosions seen that was a great episode and way better than the first and the second episode this show is keep getting better and better glad i didn't drop it back in the first episode |
| BTW is this really only the first part of part 1 ? i feel like this could be the end for the first volume if this were the ending i would be okay with LOL Really looking forward for more |
Reizo_Da_Firenze said: ^THIS |
Devil_Slayer said: Reizo_Da_Firenze said: ^THIS "Remember Snake this is a sneaking mission" despite the princess getting caught again |
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| The first half of the episode felt kind of slow to me but after that it was a really good episode, loved seeing the girls in those dresses :D plus was pretty funny when Qwenthur and Havia found out they have to go back to another battlefield...total GG moment there lol Here is my full review on the episode: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZWIuluL__w |
| Thank you JC Staff. I can go back to play MGS after wathing its proper animated version. |
JoksPacifistOct 17, 2015 2:13 AM
Jakerams said: Those aren't plot holes. That's more of the author's writing style he didn't create the stuff to have that. And the heroes didn't take much damage before and soldiers did evacuate so when they sent the message it wasn't like they were far away to begin with. It's more of the author didn't plan on creating much details in the series but it's not plotholes. Let's quote Wikipedia: A plot hole or plothole is an obvious mistake or missing element in the plot of a fictional work, such as a book, play, film, or TV show. These include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline. How is this not a plot hole introduced by the author's inability write coherent and detailed worldbuilding? It's literally the definition of a plot hole... Also, when these objects made every other form of warfare obsolete, why do they still maintain tons of different war devices they should have no need for anymore? You know, when cavalry lost its function in modern day warfare it almost completely disappeared safe for a few ceremonial platoons or special units for local police forces (who are mostly used to patrol the city or whatever other mundane task you could give them)... This entire world is not well thoughtout. Then again, this is from the guy who created Index, so I probably shouldn't expect anything. |
NidhoeggrOct 17, 2015 1:50 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
katsu044 said: Devil_Slayer said: ^THIS "Remember Snake this is a sneaking mission" despite the princess getting caught again She let herself begin catch so the two idiot can escape because she think they only care about the elite soldiers soldiers that ride the object |
| That was pretty good actually... if you ignore some rather blatant plot holes that is but okay :s |
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phantom346 said: Awesome episode, Loved it but uhhhh,..........how did they survive that BIG ASS EXPLOSION?!!! SSJ GOD Goku saved them ;p |
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Konte said: phantom346 said: Awesome episode, Loved it but uhhhh,..........how did they survive that BIG ASS EXPLOSION?!!! SSJ GOD Goku saved them ;p Why god ? |
| Does the meaning of 'shoot on sight' not exist with the Faith organisation? That's what you call plot armor but still this was fun to watch. |
 All credit goes to Sacred. |
| the explosion was big they were under it but nuh they were okay because they hid under a car or a truck k cool |
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Tokoya said: Ventris said: Let me back peddle things for you guys because it seems like nobody paid attention to the first episodeLike, for example, that the side our "heroes" fight for conveniently maintains regular forces, despite them being established as totally useless and thus only a drain of resources. Meanwhile, the bad guys don't even guard their camp "because they are confident". Or the fact that a supposedly highly advanced warmachine has no redundancies whatsoever for an obviously important system, no redundancies on its internal sensors and no failsafe to shut down in an emergency. My fucking car is better designed. 1. This is an age where warfare such as what we IRL are used to LITERALLY became OBSOLETE. 2. Society has become wholeheartedly dependent on the use of Objects hence why its literally Object v Object and when one loses that's the end of the "war" and the consequences is that the losers lose their territory or whatever it is that's at stake Then why does the heroes side conveniently maintain a regular army and the enemy not. This does directly contradict the infodump in the first episode and military logic. If there was an advantage to be gained from it, everyone would do it. If not, nobody would. It was just lazy convenience, which is the very definition of a plot hole. Tokoya said: 3. I dunno.....Considering what I said above, one would think that since said people CLEARLY has the superior Object which means that they clearly are superior in general and since they completely decimated our heroes' camp which was something that our heroes did not see coming (Which would then make you think that they would obviously be on the run and wouldn't even dare to fight back) one would think that they would act all high mighty about it as well as be so nonchalant....Considering how cocky these pricks were in episode 2 how is this even a surprise? 4. As I stated before and pretty much what was the point of this episode/the point of everything that Qwenthur preached in this episode, this a world where people have literally no use to be that militaristic especially when they JUST FUCKING WON A "WAR" and our heroes (Special and gifted guys at that mind you) decided to kick it old school like real soldiers and prove just how vulnerable this new art of war is No army ever works that way, doubly so when they should know that the enemy maintains conventional troops. There were periods of extreme military inbalance combined with cocky attitudes before (like the late colonial age) and despite having the vast advantage and thinking of their enemies as dumb apes, the Europeans still guarded their camps (and severely punished people who failed). Even more so, when the camp you're supposed to guard is a vitally important maintenance facility for the only real weapon you have. It's again just convenience and lazy writing. Tokoya said: 5. Somebody already explained the maintenance stuff so I won't go there...Also paying attention during episode 1 would have also helped with this as well -_- You can yap all you want about that, if two guys screwing around with a single part can cause a catastrophic self-destruct which the pilot then can't stop, that is a horrible design flaw. And a glaringly obvious one at that, which any non-retarded military would exploit more. It's directly at odds with the introduction of the ugly balls as changing warfare. |
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| Great episode! It's good and exciting to see Qwenthur and Havia go in old school style and pretty much screw over the enemies so easily. With wars being nothing more than Objects battling each other, it was inevitable that the flaw of their designs would be exposed by some simple and clever thinking from our heroes. Despite winning the war in style, the two brothers-in-arms were shipped out into the next battlefield instead of the happy lifestyle that both were hoping for. The boys got trolled hard there! XD The nitpicking criticism is expected, and some are legitimate and fair, but some of it, to be honest, are just really stupid. I'm sure there's been wars in the past where several types of weapons, from tanks, fighters jets and other vehicles have been exposed by huge weaknesses and/or design flaws in a similar way to the Water Strider. Just because the Objects are so powerful in their mobility, power, accuracy and design, it DOESN'T mean that they're invincible. In the situation that our Main Characters were in, simply rescuing Milinda and somehow blowing up the base without destroying the Object would've been close to being anti-climatic for me. Sigh, it's impossible to have everyone satisfied, but some criticisms as to why really deserve a facepalm. D= |
| First episode was okay. Second episode was great. ... This one was pure shit. I just can't get immersed in a show where a few kids cause havoc to an enemy military base full of hostile armed enemy troups, not to mention that absurd, maniacal boss. Also, what were the other soldiers doing when the kids just sprung up and tackled their leader? Yeah, no. |
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| This Anime is still pretty "meh" overall. It's like in every episode there are only a few seconds that really stand out, everything else is so goddamn generic and has been regurgitated in series that precedes it in the same genre. |
| 臭い- |
Ventris said: Then why does the heroes side conveniently maintain a regular army and the enemy not. This does directly contradict the infodump in the first episode and military logic. If there was an advantage to be gained from it, everyone would do it. If not, nobody would. It was just lazy convenience, which is the very definition of a plot hole. Yes, in direct combat and in a wide plain, an Object is unmatched. But an Object is not so flexible that it can serve as an all-purpose, fit it all tool. For example, planes are used for reconnaissance, armoured trucks for transport, tanks for escorts, etc. Some base will choose to have them to carry out those purposes, some don’t need them or prefer to save costs over the benefits. (as mentioned by our protaganists) Ventris said: No army ever works that way, doubly so when they should know that the enemy maintains conventional troops. There were periods of extreme military inbalance combined with cocky attitudes before (like the late colonial age) and despite having the vast advantage and thinking of their enemies as dumb apes, the Europeans still guarded their camps (and severely punished people who failed). Even more so, when the camp you're supposed to guard is a vitally important maintenance facility for the only real weapon you have. It's again just convenience and lazy writing. If we’re talking about our world, of course. But we’re talking about a world where soldiers are so spoiled by the “clean wars” that they just freeze on the spot when the white flag didn’t work. So spoiled that they probably haven’t seen combat once since they joined. Spoiled enough that they became lax when the enemy turned tail and flee. Ventris said: You can yap all you want about that, if two guys screwing around with a single part can cause a catastrophic self-destruct which the pilot then can't stop, that is a horrible design flaw. And a glaringly obvious one at that, which any non-retarded military would exploit more. It's directly at odds with the introduction of the ugly balls as changing warfare. Oh, but you have to take into consideration that there are conditions to be met. - You need someone who is forced to and is idiotic enough to fight on a battlefield without protection of your own Object. - You need someone with technical knowledge, gain access to hidden information (maintenance manual) and can use his knowledge on the spot. - You need to know exactly which sensor out of hundreds to remove. - An explosion have to be triggered INSIDE the Object. - The enemy must not realize that you’ve tempered with their components. Only when all those conditions are aligned can that stunt be pulled off. Design flaws being overlooked is nothing new. After that incident, Object designers around the world are going to develop countermeasures so it can only work once. When piloting an Object, the pilot relies solely on the sensors to gather information. In this case, compared to the pilot, the sensor has more of a right to determine whether the Object has sustained too much damage or not. The pilot doesn’t have X-ray vision, nor technical knowledge on the Object. Naturally, the sensor gains precedence. |
| i enjoyed it, maybe a little less and definitely in a different way than last episode, but i still enjoyed, especially all the hypothesis on how to beat the object. |
Nidhoeggr said: Lol, USA doesn't really use MBT's anymore, yet there are monstrous yards with countless tanks parked in the USA. Even if they're currently obsolete, it costs money to dispose of them, and someday you might need them. Most modern age weapons that have gone obsolete, many end up in air shows and museums or else parked somewhere, but still technically functional. If the airforce went obsolete, an airforce base would just be left as is. It definitely doesn't seem like the Objects have dominated warfare for that many years.Also, when these objects made every other form of warfare obsolete, why do they still maintain tons of different war devices they should have no need for anymore? You know, when cavalry lost its function in modern day warfare it almost completely disappeared safe for a few ceremonial platoons or special units for local police forces (who are mostly used to patrol the city or whatever other mundane task you could give them)... This entire world is not well thought-out. Then again, this is from the guy who created Index, so I probably shouldn't expect anything. Protip on strategy and battle tactics: an Object is like a bloated flagship... If it's somewhere else, you could simply go around it and attack something "behind" it, like supply lines. They did mention from the start that there were many appendix systems in the military that weren't done away with, more like the money just started getting dumped elsewhere. As far as referencing index/railgun, when you get past the intentional cheesiness, and mouthfuls of nonsensical technobabble, the plot structure and world were pretty intelligently laid out, you just had to look (It's a lot easier to see the big picture when you watch railgun first followed by index). Remember, Touma's speeches and winning because good guys win and so does friendship blah blah blah, was all done very intentionally, not because it's assumed to be smart writing lol. So i consider that to mean that there will be competent, not perfect, writing. And competent we are getting. What i particularly liked, is that we never did see the pilot in the enemy Object... there wasn't any dramatic character vs character, the enemy was just an enigmatic behemoth to contend with. |
GenesisAriaOct 17, 2015 9:36 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
VanishingKira said: This is where volume 1 ends,wonder what's to come. Doubt it'll get better. Nope. The first 3 episodes is only the prologue and chapter 1 of volume 1. Heavy Object has 3 chapters, a prologue and epilogue each volume(except volume 5) |
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| A somewhat alright episode with some flaws as to how did they survive an explosion of such extent at that distance? why was not he shot immediately when he snatched their leader's comm. set? Normally you would think you are dead if you even move a muscle. But since it's anime.......you know..........!! |
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Hijazi said: Explosions are not AoE diameter-based damage fields. Most of the killing power from explosions is actually the shrapnel and impact on things after being launched back. If you can get a sturdy enough piece of material between you and it, or get lucky, you can walk out of significant blasts with minimal injuries, burns more than anything.You'd have to be pretty close to the source to actually die to the heat itself.A somewhat alright episode with some flaws as to how did they survive an explosion of such extent at that distance? why was not he shot immediately when he snatched their leader's comm. set? Normally you would think you are dead if you even move a muscle. But since it's anime.......you know..........!! As far as not killing them when they move, that's not just an anime thing... the enemy wanted, first probably information, and second to gloat about their defeat. As the guy said with the princess, they'd hang her to die as a trophy of their victory. |
GenesisAriaOct 17, 2015 9:59 AM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| Might be my favourite anime this season, it's awesome, the chemistry between the two main male character is awesome, and it's fucking epic ! |
| But...seriously...this show needs more love.... atleast this is better than Code GayAss : Lelouch whatever... |
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Konte said: Hey, Code Geass may have been absurd, but it had style. A lot of stuff lacks the finesse these days. However, these shows are completely different animals, this show takes itself way more seriously.But...seriously...this show needs more love.... atleast this is better than Code GayAss : Lelouch whatever... |
GenesisAriaOct 17, 2015 12:09 PM
| ❀桜舞う空〜 Cute is Power. 🔗CosmoGenesis Project “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.” “A truth seeker has no patience for BS.” I seek only to improve myself and others. |
| EPIC TO THE 10TH DEGREE! Loved this episode, cannot wait for more! |
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| I suspect that all Object's will have redundancies with their Object-integrity sensors after this incident. Finding the maintenance manual so easily felt a little convenient, and the other soldiers not reacting when Qwenthur attacked the captain felt similar, but otherwise I thought the developments in this episode were both logically sound and fun to watch. Edit: omfgplzstop said: error5000 said: wow, the plot device is real. hime-sama is soo annoying, why can't she kept where she was? ah, no wait if that doesn't happen there was no way they can show themselves their plan to destroy the object. what? Milinda was trying to distract the soldiers so Qwenthur and Havia had enough time to sabotage the Object's maintenance parts. That was a legit development. |
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