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| The omissions were kind of ridiculous, considering they spent a few minutes replaying the end of last episode, which they could have done in like 10 seconds. Takamura's inner monologue was the high point for me here. |
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| The fight was for next week ;/ for this episode only served to create expectancy, I'm afraid, All this against Takamura ;/ |
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| damn this ep was good hawk is that dude he just taughting takamura damn i hope takamura breakd his face in |
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| Hajime NC 20 Probably the worst episode so far. Nothing really happened in the episode - the fighters only got into the ring at the end. I had expected the fight to get going by at least the halfway stage. Did there need to be a scene showing all the Japanese champions telling Takamura to win? Did all of the gang need to have a cheesy support giving moment with Takamura? Was it really necessary for the national anthems to be played when they weren't (or at least weren't shown) in the previous world title fight? Etc, etc... I also didn't like how both parties had stupid costumes on. It seemed more like WWF than a boxing match when they entered the ring. The art didn't please me, either. It's gotten more ugly as its gone on - the artists have clearly gotten lazy since the series started. I hope next week is better. The fight is supposed to be one of the best in the series, so I'm hopeful it'll be at least as enteraining as the Miyata fight was earlier on in the series... |
| Ouch, talk about anti-climax. When I saw the preview last wekk I thought "this week IT. IS. ON!" painfull to see that is going to be 'next week' again. But I guess that, despite that, this wasn't a bad ep. - Lith. |
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| Excluding some good moments it was a meh episode tbh... |
| This was a worthless episode. They spent so much time on stuff that they just gloss over during the show normally. I think the art may have been better executed, but it only underscored just how much I hate the character design and direction of the show in general. Then top it off with my favorite character, Miyata, smiling at the sight of Ippo and saying something quite out of character during the entrances of the fight (something about feeling tension, or being nervours?), and everything having to be about Ippo, made this a borderline terrible episode. I can be glad that I had a drink (a rarity) before I pressed play. |
| any good subbed versions out yet? only one I can find is full of errors... |
| Man. Can't wait till next week. Teh fights starts :p |
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| worst episode ever. a whole 20 min was needed for this. cmon, it was so painfully obvious that they were drawing it out. at least have the fight start. |
| and that says the guy with a ergo proxy ava... i thought the episode was brilliant dont know wtf you guys talking about.. |
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groente12 said: and that says the guy with a ergo proxy ava... i thought the episode was brilliant dont know wtf you guys talking about.. Well, I think it was a good episode, but most of the people tend to complain about stupid things...Oh well |
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| at least i'm glad to know that it'll start next week. The last 5 episodes will be sick can't wait |
| I order a nice big pizza while the episode was getting downloaded so i can sit and enjoy the fight while eating my pizza. The disappointment when i realized that i wasn't gone a see even one punch was very big for me. Ok the episode wasn't terrible or anything but because i thought the fight was certainly going to start i was really disappointed. Usually this anime doesn't go slow like that so i never expected that even if it was such an important match. Well at least i know now that the next pizza i order won't go to waste. |
| I think it was an OK episode. I was hoping for a battle or a round but It created some excitement for the next episode, and I think they've done this one to create an epic end as its 5 episodes away and I'm counting on it. Just like what happened at 1st season It were the most epic 6 episodes of battle in Hajime no Ippo when Ippo fought agaisnt Sendo |
| Kinda a 'meh' episode, I just want to watch the fight already. Hawk is a fucking nutjob though, but I like that. |
| Hope the fight is a good as its being advertised. With it possibly encompassing 5 episodes. |
| This show is about fighting. Until this arc we knew nothing about Takamura. Love plays next to no role in this show at all, and well, training goes hand in hand with fighting, and the humor is almost always within the gym or the beach because that's where most of the show is outside of the ring. They've been building this fight since before Takamura's last fight, so this wasn't a crescendo at all. It was stalling. |
| And of course the fight starts in the next episode. I'm really getting tired of waiting :/ |
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Aionic said: Hajime NC 20 Probably the worst episode so far. Nothing really happened in the episode - the fighters only got into the ring at the end. I had expected the fight to get going by at least the halfway stage. Did there need to be a scene showing all the Japanese champions telling Takamura to win? Did all of the gang need to have a cheesy support giving moment with Takamura? Was it really necessary for the national anthems to be played when they weren't (or at least weren't shown) in the previous world title fight? Etc, etc... I also didn't like how both parties had stupid costumes on. It seemed more like WWF than a boxing match when they entered the ring. The art didn't please me, either. It's gotten more ugly as its gone on - the artists have clearly gotten lazy since the series started. I hope next week is better. The fight is supposed to be one of the best in the series, so I'm hopeful it'll be at least as enteraining as the Miyata fight was earlier on in the series... Yeah. I can see you do not read the manga or care about character development. |
| Still think the touchiness of EVERYONE IN JAPAN is pretty hilarious. Hawk is a punk, but he hasn't done anything that bad. I mean, it's boxing - does anyone even take that shit seriously? Hoping the fight itself will be good. |
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Drunk_Samurai said: Yeah. I can see you do not read the manga or care about character development. Where was the character development in this episode? It was just stagnation. |
ParaParaJMo said: Fair enough. But Japan?I mean, it's boxing - does anyone even take that shit seriously? Go to Puerto Rico, Mexico, an dthe Philippines and you will see. |
noteDhero said: Drunk_Samurai said: Yeah. I can see you do not read the manga or care about character development. Where was the character development in this episode? It was just stagnation. If you don't see how them all talking to Takamura is not character development then you fail. |
| That's not character development. What in Takamura's personality changed after that conversation? Nothing. You are grossly misusing that mechanic. |
noteDhero said: That's not character development. What in Takamura's personality changed after that conversation? Nothing. You are grossly misusing that mechanic. You obviously don't read the manga. Go read it before saying something ignorant again. |
| The manga and the show are not the same. It is you who is being ignorant. |
noteDhero said: The manga and the show are not the same. It is you who is being ignorant. Yeah. I can definitely see you have not read the manga now. They cut a lot of material out of the anime that was in the manga. Either way you fail for not realizing that was not character development. |
Drunk_Samurai said: If you don't see how them all talking to Takamura is not character development then you fail. noteDhero said: That's not character development. Drunk_Samurai said: WTF?Either way you fail for not realizing that was not character development. |
| I'm confused now, Drunk_Samurai. Are you saying that the scene was character development or that it wasn't? The double negatives are throwing me off (I just noticed now, naikou). My point is, hypnoinsanity, that the anime is an adaptation of the manga. The fact that they have taken out and rearranged scenes for the show is proof of that, and they must be treated as separates. |
| Yeah, I don't know what he's saying either. Your position was pretty clear. |
noteDhero said: I'm confused now, Drunk_Samurai. Are you saying that the scene was character development or that it wasn't? The double negatives are throwing me off (I just noticed now, naikou). My point is, hypnoinsanity, that the anime is an adaptation of the manga. The fact that they have taken out and rearranged scenes for the show is proof of that, and they must be treated as separates. Mistake. It was character development. It doesn't matter if they change anything. You fail for saying it's not character development. |
| It's not. Please, since I'm so ignorant, enlighten me as to how Takamura was before that scene and how he changed. From my perspective, Takamura was more than resolved to beat the shit out of Hawk since his match with the other guy. Nothing "clicked" or developed for him at that moment. |
noteDhero said: It's not. Please, since I'm so ignorant, enlighten me as to how Takamura was before that scene and how he changed. From my perspective, Takamura was more than resolved to beat the shit out of Hawk since his match with the other guy. Nothing "clicked" or developed for him at that moment. You will see when the fight continues. Unless you want me to spoil it for you. |
| Well that's all you had to say! I guess I'll see in the next couple of episodes then. |
noteDhero said: The fact that they have taken out and rearranged scenes for the show is proof of that, and they must be treated as separates. Agreed here. I haven't gotten the chance to read the manga counterpart, but if they do omit stuff from the manga (and from the sound of it, they have omitted some important character development scenes), the manga and anime should be treated differently, despite the story being the same. The manga would result in more fleshed out characters and better understanding of each character's mindset during each fight (at least, this is what I'm assuming it is). |
vindemon64 said: noteDhero said: The fact that they have taken out and rearranged scenes for the show is proof of that, and they must be treated as separates. Agreed here. I haven't gotten the chance to read the manga counterpart, but if they do omit stuff from the manga (and from the sound of it, they have omitted some important character development scenes), the manga and anime should be treated differently, despite the story being the same. The manga would result in more fleshed out characters and better understanding of each character's mindset during each fight (at least, this is what I'm assuming it is). Some cut out stuff wasn't really that important. Like some scenes where they were making fun of Ippo. Character development getting cut out is bullshit though. An example is when Umezawa helped train Ippo when Kamogawa was in the hospital. They also cut some scenes from the hospital. The worst of it was when they put canon material in the ending of the second to last episode of the first season. That was pure bullshit and should have had an episode or 2 for it. If anime cuts out character development like they did in the first season then I rate it lower. Anime that do that don't deserve higher. |
| Can't argue there. Haven't read the manga, and I rated the first series a 7. An 8 is pushing it, and any higher just isn't justifiable to me. Material can always be cut when creating a show because the writing process (especially in the case of ongoing manga) always evolves and somethings end up not being important after they're introduced. Then you have to factor in all the stuff that works in a straight narrative as opposed to television. Character development, however, if cut, should be incorporated in someway (unless it's a minor character that ultimately has no real weight on the story). I personally don't understand what could happen during the fight that will make me think differently of this episode...even if it's Takamura giving a punch for all the Japanese boxers Hawk "disgraced." Mostly because I don't think Hawk actually disgraced anyone and Japan is being melodramatically angered by him, but I'm interested to see what happens nonetheless. |
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