Kill la Kill Episode 21 Discussion

jiraiya_sensei said:

I don't think she's an unimportant character though. Ryuuko is a lone wolf character from the beginning. Mako is most likely the only person she truly likes and trusts with all her heart. Imo she doesn't even trust Senketsu as much as Mako. When everything is going against her emotionally, Mako is the only anchor that she has with humanity. I think it's befitting that time and time again, Mako brought Ryuuko to her senses because she serve's a reminder that Ryuuko can still be human/normal despite how shitty she feels about herself or how unfair the world is treating her.

migohunter said:
Now watching this episode in context with the subs, I actually really enjoyed it. This sudden amount of "hate it" votes are kind of unwarranted IMO.

I can't wait to see how Trigger wraps up with the last three episodes now that they are all united to some degree.

Zeally said:


there's only 4 hated votes >.>

migohunter said:


You usually don't see this much this early. I'm also assuming that the number might rise when more people watch this episode.

kageromero said:
I want you all to think about something. Everyone seems to think the final battle is all set up and that everything is done, do you really think they don't have one big plot twist left?

The life fiber, an all mighty being that came here from space, but then went dormant, why? Where did it come from? Why did it need ragyou to carry out it's will when it's so powerful? It was running. Hiding, from something even more powerful than itself, weak from its battle with whatever this is. It was all it could do to find earth, and accelerate our evolution, and then when dormant to hide from whatever was chasing it and conceal its power. It waited until humanity had reached the stage where it could provide it with an army, but why do they need this army? What is the purpose of the covers? Well of course to fight whatever it was running from, there's no purpose in an army when you have complete control over all life as well as the ability to assimilate it's energy into yourself at will.

I for one loved this episode and can't wait for the grand finally :)

RedRoseFring said:
As to Ignition's post: I have never seen a problem with mixing comedy and drama in a show. In fact, I score shows that are able to mix the 2 HIGHER because you're not left with a 1 trick pony that can only provide one form of entertainment.

Most of the time, complaints of not being able to differentiate comedy from drama just makes me think of social ineptitude to read a situation. If one really can't tell what state a character is in and read the tone of a scene through visible character emotions or even the soundtrack, then they should stop watching shows altogether and even stop interacting with people.

BRSxIgnition said:


I'm going to assume that second part is a general statement, and not an insult towards me.

I understand what you mean, since I do the same. Many shows fail to balance Comedy & Drama well. There's shows that resort to a beach episode for their comedy, then try going serious again. There's shows that intersperse moments of comedy into the semi-serious plot, like KILL la KILL. There's also SoL's that use comedy for the majority of the series, then attempt to get serious for an episode or so.

Then there's shows that make the combination feel whole, and include both Comedy & Drama in their overall framework in equal measure. These shows flow and excel in their pacing due to the feeling this creates. You end up caring more about the story with these.

If things are always serious, you'll find yourself annoyed at the comedy they do try to include.
If things are always happy, it'll feel forced when things get dramatic.
If things aren't mixed properly, you will feel that it's both forced, jarring, AND annoying.

Blending elements of Comedy and Lightheartedness with elements of Drama and seriousness is very hard to do - it's something many shows and studios fail to do.

Unfortunately, KILL la KILL by Studio TRIGGER is part of the list. Mostly due to the way they use Mako as Comedy, even when she is being used in a dramatic setting.

Notchrishansen said:
Episode starts off with yuri pandering for some reason, Satsuki and Elite Four make an elaborate plan only for it to fail, Tsumugu gets jobbed...again, that stupid hallelujah gag TWICE, Senketsu gets torn apart and somehow magically comes back together next scene, Mako saves the day from altered Ryuko...again.

'If you take Junketsu off you'll die'

'Lol, I'm K'

I didn't believe that crackpot death theory of Mako, but it least it would've raised the stakes but Trigger drops the ball again.

1.5/5 episode, at least we found out why Kamui look slutty. I was afraid that they were gonna cop out after 'leave it up to your father's tastes'.

ichii_1 said:
Ryuko covered in her own blood is so damn sexy and badass (11/10 would bang, with the blood of course ;)
Imagine blood raining down and licking all the blood off her body while drowning in pleasure in a sea of lust and blood
Good God I have a blood fetish now, f***

kickmesign said:
The story progression was really odd this episode. Do they even know what they're doing anymore?

BRSxIgnition said:
I agree that they've ended up making Mako too important of a character. They should have separated the comedic and dramatic portions of the show much more than they ended up doing.

Comedy means less Drama.
Drama means less Comedy.

You can't have one without losing out on the other. Hopefully one day we'll see a show from TRIGGER than fully splits the two. We've gotten light-hearted stuff and comedies already, but can you imagine how amazing it would be if TRIGGER made a 100% serious work?

Imagine all the showpieces of KILL la KILL, but without all the Mako interludes. Imagine..

Amazing, right?

KILL la KILL is an amazing show, but it's held back by being their first official work. They need to build up their strength as a company before attempting another original 2-cour work.

Regardless, I can't wait to see it when they do.

xaszatm said:


Actually, I want to point out that Mako failed to bring Ryuko to reason. That's why she's making that face when Ryoko slices through with the blade. She isn't suffering from being stabbed as the show has shown us that pain is painful. She is shocked that Ryuko slashes at her at all. In fact, the only reason Ryuko is brought back to her senses is the shock that she would kill her best friend and the only reason Mako is alive is that Senketsu moves to black the scissor slash.

This is why I think this episode was good. We're seen that all attempts to rescue her failed, only when she saw how far she could sink, which could only be achieved by Mako being there, was she able to save herself.

Kokopelli said:
Personally, I didn't find Mako's inclusion mood-breaking.

ichii_1 said:
Ryuko covered in her own blood is so damn sexy and badass (11/10 would bang, with the blood of course ;)
Imagine blood raining down and licking all the blood off her body while drowning in pleasure in a sea of lust and blood
Good God I have a blood fetish now, f***

Atemues said:
We have some translation of the preview for episode 22.
http://sushiobunny.tumblr.com/post/78799087403/daisuki-has-the-previews-for-klk-22-in-spanish
I really hope this will be the first Satsuki/Ryuko bonding ep!

ollythirteen said:
Okay, seen the episode here's how I feel:

it was "good".

Mako interfered but it was appropriate. Also that joke involving Satsuki writing the instructions on Mako's palms made me die.

The fight between Satsuki and Ryuuko wasn't as epic but that was expected. The power difference is just too much and also until a few minutes ago Satsuki was bound and hanging from her wrists. Add to that the fact that Senketsu was directly feeding on her blood (due to them not being fully synchronized) and well any bad-assery from Satsuki would've been plot-hole-tastic. She held her own for a bit, though.

Liked everything Ryuuko said during the battle, too. At least the writer is aware of the things fans will begin to think concerning the characters (like say, for example, Satsuki's ideals being contradictory).

I'm beginning to like seeing Nui's vulnerable side. The way Satsuki managed to get into her head and the expression she made was awesome.

My number one fear for this show has been confirmed by Ragyo. "Let's go back to where all this started" she says. That would be outer-space, where the original life fiber came from. Add to that the fact that that Kamui being sewn in suspended from beams and looks a little like a Mecha and well, looks like we're going to space.

Yabai.

Felt like a pre-climax episode. Action-packed, tons going on etc

As for Mako not dying, really people it was obvious from the get go she wasn't going anywhere. Why is everyone so blood thirsty, anyway, when it comes to wanting to see character deaths? Or am I just too soft? Who knows.

Good ep, look forward to the next one.

ollythirteen said:

Satsuki and Ryuuko eating croquettes in the Mako household? I'm so fucking there!

JerichoDeath said:


Sounds like the best thing in the series so far.

tsudecimo said:
Mako didn't die, I'm so fucking surprised. *rolls eyes*

JerichoDeath said:


You know, I agree with most of this, and I don't often agree with a lot of your posts.
-which is a little strange, as I've begun to look forward to your "thoughts" posts on these discussion threads, oddly enough.
Interesting conversations seem to loom from them.

*immediately goes to sleep due to being up quite late*

Ulquiorra1923 said:
Mako didn't die.
Things would have turned a lot better if she had died .

DarkCyclone said:
That fight was disappointing, but pretty much every fight in the series outside the ones in 3 and 5 have been equally as mediocre

Given the way they ended the last episode, they basically hyped this up to be a really grand scale fight, eh, it was more of a beatdown followed by predictable interruptions and the classic mid-fight chatter. I completely understand Mako's intervention here, yet I feel it wouldn't have been as annoying if she hadn't done it so many times before, as of now it was just expected

Basically a bunch of stuff takes place, but the only key thing is Ryuko taking off Junketsu and coming back to her senses. Gotta say, I felt Ryuko siding with Ragyo was the most interesting she has ever been in this series, sad to see her back to normal so soon. The direction is also completely expected, but what it took to get there was where I particularly got bored. What was interesting was the developing plot with the Original life fiber and Nui's Kamui, so the series is still far from a lost cause the inconsistency will always be a problem however and stop KLK as a whole from being legit

I guess the main good thing are those stupid Mako dying conspiracy theories are squashed

YurikoRaine said:


I think it's not Mako herself but rather the way Mako is written and used as a character. Episode 7 seemed like such a progression in her character just to see it go back to usual in the next episode. It's so much wasted potential. She could've been a great character.