Suisei no Gargantia Episode 6 Discussion

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ReasonDesu said:

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That said, about your 'but fans were expecting the wrong kind of anime'...well, maybe some did, but it's too simple too brush aside everything like that, me thinks. while it wasn't clearly meant to be a typical mecha-anime, it also was clearly not meant to be a typical slice-of-life anime (nor a typical space-opera anime, as you indicate the first episodes portrayed). Rather, I think the concept was an intriguing mix of all of those. But, you know, generic slice-of-life is as bad as generic mecha, so it's not as much about what one expects the genre to be, as rather how well it delivers the different elements of different genres.

Too much fanservice, too much harem-tropes, too much shoujo-esque slice-of-life would break the anime as much as too much typical mecha or space opera, imho. So I think you're not correct enough in your assessment that 'people might get it wrong' when they think it's a classical mecha. Yes, but people get it wrong if they think it's a classical shoujo-style slice-of-life too. (and certainly if they think it's a classical harem, ecchi or typical slapstick - even though those elements were potentially touched upon too.)

I think the slice of life part is anything but generic atm though. Compared to the standard slice of life formula this has been pretty refreshing and subtle. The fact they have a strong and likable male MC instead of the socially inept otaku most SoL go for make it even more intriguing for me. I admit the last 2 episodes have been fanservice heavy, but from a man renowned more for writing hentai I'm really not sure what people expected, and a lot of character development and now plot development have been going on too.

Yes, as said, I largely agree.

I would say that the fanservice in this latest episode - while being more prominently shown, was, in fact, less annoying than that of the former episode - where it actually DID feel a bit out of place (aka, only meant to cater to the fans); do you agree?

It makes sense this time, because showing something sexually arousing/appealing makes perfectly sense in the context and a try to develop a theme of romance and budding sexuality and ditto feelings. Which was clearly the way they wanted to go and show it for Ledo - and show his ineptitude with it. ;-) He sure gauged his eyes out on amy dancing and bellybutton; must been quite a new experience for him. Though it was pretty sweet how he went into the 'protective' stance. But I don't think he realises what exactly his feelings are yet, which is not surprising, seen his cultural background in which we know he has only just become eligible to procreate (and doesn't know much about it, nor showed interest until now).

But, ah, 'fanservice' is a difficult subject. As one can see, it disturbs people, but it does so for many different reasons, going from maybe some prudishness or bigotry (you often see that in anime where some gay-ish scenes are played; then often immaturity strikes), but I wouldn't say all objections are invalid.

For me, and I think for you too, the purpose of the fanservice aside from the level of it, is also important. I, for one, could even muster a pretty explicit sex-scene between Amy and Ledo (even though it's not meant as an ecchi or hentai), BUT only if it makes sense from the standpoint of the developing story, plot, or characterisation. I find it futile to complain about skin/boobs/sexual themes on itself. I think one DOES rightfully complain about it if it doesn't serve a goal/purpose (or is set in a certain context) and is gratuitous fanservice, however.

I do agree the slice-of-life part has been done reasonably satisfying, mainly thanks to the take on the 'differences in culture'. It makes for a fresh take, but has also been layered with action and suspense, also a-typical of classical slice-of-life.

But anyway, my point was that one has to be careful saying that the thought of it being a normal mecha was unwarranted. While true, the same can be said of it being normal slice-of-life (and all other genres it touched upon). Purely seen as a mecha, in the appropriated scenes, one can also see some novel ideas being brought forth, after all. So compared to the standard mecha formula this has been pretty refreshing and subtle too, compared to the typical 'angst'-driven protagonist and typical mecha-fighting scenes.

The MC is indeed pretty likeable in it's deviation of the standard trope, be it mecha or slice-of-life. Chamber too, I find very well done, as a character. Amy isn't bad either, though maybe a bit too of a do-good generic character, but I think she's developing too, albeit slowly. Most side-characters are a bit underdeveloped, however. Maybe these next episodes will remedy this.

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May 12, 2013 3:19 PM

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I don't get it.. they did take advantage of her talents already... she did the characters.. I don't see what ass shaking and close ups have to do with that...

Majority of japanese otakus are quite perverted.. As long as the BD's sells well, they would even add a H-scene into there if needed..

Well I understand that, which is why I said I expected to see that kinda of stuff in the BRs and not on the main run.

May 12, 2013 3:21 PM

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skudoops said:

stefeman said:

I don't get it.. they did take advantage of her talents already... she did the characters.. I don't see what ass shaking and close ups have to do with that...

Majority of japanese otakus are quite perverted.. As long as the BD's sells well, they would even add a H-scene into there if needed..

Well I understand that, which is why I said I expected to see that kinda of stuff in the BRs and not on the main run.

It was never meant to be international :P (Excluding Crunchyroll stream).

May 12, 2013 3:29 PM

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While this episode was better than the last, I'm getting "He-Man movie syndrome" here. Unfortunately this is the pitfall in which happens to a lot of "fish out of water" stories. We bring a stranger from a interesting, strange environment only to put him on earth and have most of our story there. Gargantia life is not much different from how it is now, except of course for the fact the they all live on boats. And the thing is, I live on earth, I really don't need to learn about it! It would be different if half the time we could learn about Gargantia and half the time about the Alliance, but no. I am just beginning to get bored watching Red go from one set of hi-jinks to the other as he adapts to Earth life. It would be different if he took Amy to the Alliance and she could experience his world too, but we're just stuck on boring dull Earth.

However, this episode does show that no matter how Red has adapted, he's still a soldier. Seeing the octopus dish (which looked disgusting by the way, yuck! Since when do octopii have large spikes on their tentacles?) caused him to shift right back into soldier mode, and the part with the lights at the end when he pulled his gun, sealed that.

The stinger at the end that the Hideauze might be on Earth has piqued my interest. I hope this is not a red herring and that the iridescent squid is not "just" a squid. That would be very disappointing. I've been waiting for some time for something to happen in these episodes, and I hope they don't take it away from me. We're halfway through this series, it's really time for something to happen more than just culture hi-jinks and having Red learn about Earth life.

Oh and the gratuitus fan-service? Just as unneeded this episode as it was in the last. It's kind of weird and uncomfortable watching 14,15, and 16 year old girls dance in a bar like that. (My parents would have made sure I never saw daylight if I ever did something like that. o_o )

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May 12, 2013 3:40 PM

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I think the fanservice in this episode was less prominent than in the last one and served at least in part a purpose - that is, to show how Ledo is awakening also in 'that' sense, and how he clearly feels attraction towards Amy (we totally didn't see that coming). Compared to the previous episode, however, the writing luckily came back to acceptable levels from the depths of total stupidity that it had buried itself into. I liked a lot the scene where Ledo is scared dead of an octopus because he thinks it's an Hideauze, and the ending, as well as Ledo's new activity as a salvager, promise some investigation in both the past of Earth and the history of the war with these aliens. Looking forward to it. Hence, for me this episode is a 4 out of 5.

To those who say that this is what should be expected from a hentai artist: from what I know, many mangakas start as hentai artists, simply because that's a market where a lot of cheap, short stuff is produced. If you want to learn to draw anatomy and make some quick money selling short stories, what could be better than drawing hentai? But that does not imply their successive works need to be rid with porn as well. Compare:

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2011/03/9_manga_artists_who_totally_drew_porn.php

I seem to recall that Azumanga Daioh is not exactly a boobfest.

And expecting this series to have little fanservice was a legit thought, seeing the first four episodes. Episode five was simply an incredible shift in tone and style. What TVTropes calls a "Big Lipped Alligator Moment".

May 12, 2013 3:44 PM

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It's interesting how this show is dividing fans.

First of all, with the fanservice, I would agree with a few of the commenter's here who have said that the fanservice in the last episode felt out of place yet in this it did not. That scene in the restaurant I felt was really well done. Firstly it was MEANT to be erotic, they were entertainers. Secondly the moment when Ledo's attention was drawn to them was AMAZINGLY done. The voices slowly merged in with background noise and we see that his attention is drawn with the erotic show before him. He's learning that life is not just about eating plain seaweed bread and there is such things as entertainment and even perhaps love.

As to the second scene where Amy danced for him, I thought that was simply adorable. I even teared up a bit. The dance she performed for him really felt less erotic to me and more tender, like she was showing to him that she had feelings for him, and he simply could not tear his eyes away. Awesomely done.

As to the appearance of the squid thingie .. I think it probably confirms that the Hidiaazu are not aliens and have been coexisting with the Gargantians for a while. As to why they are peaceful on earth? Well who's not to say that there are more than one group of earthlings in space and someone/somegroup is using them as their weapons?

May 12, 2013 3:45 PM

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People who get their start in the industry by drawing porn is a bit different from someone who makes a CAREER out of porn. The artist did do the Kamichu manga a while ago but never went away from doing hentai, which is her main calling.

May 12, 2013 3:49 PM

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May 12, 2013 3:50 PM

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Oh please you guys are such bums and should have realized DURING THE VERY FIRST EPISODE there is going to be Slice of Life when he came to Earth! Stop complaining and go with it. This show is skillfully done.

May 12, 2013 3:56 PM

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RyanSaotome said:
People who get their start in the industry by drawing porn is a bit different from someone who makes a CAREER out of porn. The artist did do the Kamichu manga a while ago but never went away from doing hentai, which is her main calling.

Hmmm, I see your argument, but still, I don't think that drawing porn for a living means you only value graphic sex as a form of art. Personally, I wouldn't mind erotic elements if they make sense.

scruffy has it right here for me: the dance has a reason to be erotic, and the second one, see it as you want, it's just a personal "gift" that Amy gives to Ledo. Even if you want to regard it as erotic (it slightly is imho) it's still cute and tender as well. Erotism is not supposed to be this dirty thing - it may also be a way (honestly more realistic than usual anime pureness) to portray love and affection. And on another note, an anime like Aku no Hana is pratically exploding with sexual tension without being in the least bit fanservicey (the rotoscoping and the general awfulness of the situations help).

My problem with episode 5 was not that there were boobs - it was that the entire episode was written stupidly just to justify those boobs, that I couldn't care less about. Also the horribly stereotypical jokes and the fact that the female characters seemingly lost half their IQ because that's what having exposed skin makes to them. In this episode, some shots were quite fanservicey, but the show still had heart and brains, and I think that the erotic vibes were all in the right place, because they DID belong to the plot, and were much more mature than your usual "lol boobs" fanservice anime.

May 12, 2013 3:58 PM

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As much as I enjoyed all that shaking and bouncing a lot, the thing that caught my attention the most was return of battle BGM. Giant robots are meant to blast things up, not catch fish and move stuff around... Hoping for some nice battle. And shaking...

Ii tenki desu ne...

May 12, 2013 4:07 PM

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I don't mind fanservice, but please don't trample me with it instead of giving me a story I"m satisfied with...

This could have easily been episode 3 or so. Why am I still watching slice-of-life vibe episodes half way through a series? I don't want any more discovery episodes!! >____<

That ending when the squid-thing showed up looks hopeful though.

May 12, 2013 4:13 PM

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Dragon_Slayer_X said:
Nah it was Ninja Robots for me and a few other old shows i can't really remember the name. But you are right...........most people think mecha shows need to be serious, all about killing stuff, love is forbidden etc etc...........they really don't know what they want tbh!!!

Yeah I also doubt most of today's young generation have ever watched old mecha anime such as Astro Boy, Tetsujin 28, and Mazinger Z (these were just famous & popular ones back then. There were a lot of other mecha anime.)

ReasonDesu said:

tl:dr The people angry/disappointed just got baited into thinking this was an action show and Gen wrote it all.

It's inevitable poeple think this is an action show cuz the genre says "Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi," not "Romance" nor "Slice of Life."

May 12, 2013 4:16 PM

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scruffykiwi said:
It's interesting how this show is dividing fans.

First of all, with the fanservice, I would agree with a few of the commenter's here who have said that the fanservice in the last episode felt out of place yet in this it did not.

That would be me. Or at least one of them. ;-)

That scene in the restaurant I felt was really well done. Firstly it was MEANT to be erotic, they were entertainers.

Very true, that.

Secondly the moment when Ledo's attention was drawn to them was AMAZINGLY done. The voices slowly merged in with background noise and we see that his attention is drawn with the erotic show before him. He's learning that life is not just about eating plain seaweed bread and there is such things as entertainment and even perhaps love.

Exactly.

Very well put. This is, indeed, why I and many others find the fanservice far less obtrusive or annoying than last time. In this episode, it actually made some sense and had purpose, and was pretty well done.

As to the second scene where Amy danced for him, I thought that was simply adorable. I even teared up a bit. The dance she performed for him really felt less erotic to me and more tender, like she was showing to him that she had feelings for him, and he simply could not tear his eyes away. Awesomely done.

Well...it still did gave of some erotic vibes (at least, I felt so), but you're also right in that it was more tender/intimate in a way.

As to the appearance of the squid thingie .. I think it probably confirms that the Hidiaazu are not aliens and have been coexisting with the Gargantians for a while. As to why they are peaceful on earth? Well who's not to say that there are more than one group of earthlings in space and someone/some group is using them as their weapons?

For now I'm still contemplating the possibility it's just a squid (albeit mutated in the hundreds/thousands of years from our r/l squid, as the strange eyes/etc. show). A bit like a repeat of his encounter with the octopus/squid thingy as his main dish. But the 99,7% likeness with Hideauze can't really be coincidence, so I think there definitely is some link there.

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RyanSaotome said:
People who get their start in the industry by drawing porn is a bit different from someone who makes a CAREER out of porn. The artist did do the Kamichu manga a while ago but never went away from doing hentai, which is her main calling.

Hmmm, I see your argument, but still, I don't think that drawing porn for a living means you only value graphic sex as a form of art. Personally, I wouldn't mind erotic elements if they make sense.

scruffy has it right here for me: the dance has a reason to be erotic, and the second one, see it as you want, it's just a personal "gift" that Amy gives to Ledo. Even if you want to regard it as erotic (it slightly is imho) it's still cute and tender as well. Erotism is not supposed to be this dirty thing - it may also be a way (honestly more realistic than usual anime pureness) to portray love and affection. And on another note, an anime like Aku no Hana is pratically exploding with sexual tension without being in the least bit fanservicey (the rotoscoping and the general awfulness of the situations help).

My problem with episode 5 was not that there were boobs - it was that the entire episode was written stupidly just to justify those boobs, that I couldn't care less about. Also the horribly stereotypical jokes and the fact that the female characters seemingly lost half their IQ because that's what having exposed skin makes to them. In this episode, some shots were quite fanservicey, but the show still had heart and brains, and I think that the erotic vibes were all in the right place, because they DID belong to the plot, and were much more mature than your usual "lol boobs" fanservice anime.

Indeed. I think lots of people are coming to the same conclusion and most of us can reach a consensus on this: the fanservice in the latest episode was far superior (in an in-story sense) than that of the former.

It's like comparing making a bad slapstick-joke during a funeral with some subtle irony or wordplay of a stand-up comedians' performance. While both may intend to be humorous, one is cheap as well as out of place, the other is humour at its best and fits perfectly.

There is nothing WRONG with neither humour nor naked skin/boobs on itself, but the way in which it is presented and why, makes a huge difference in the evaluation and appreciation of it. Or at least, it should.

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eminagnam said:
It's inevitable poeple think this is an action show cuz the genre says "Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi," not "Romance" nor "Slice of Life."

You realize whoever put those genres knew just as much about the shows content as you, right? Its an anime original, nobody but the people working on it themselves knew the genres and content.

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eminagnam said:

ReasonDesu said:

tl:dr The people angry/disappointed just got baited into thinking this was an action show and Gen wrote it all.

It's inevitable poeple think this is an action show cuz the genre says "Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi," not "Romance" nor "Slice of Life."

Yeah but that is just because MAL goes full derp sometimes and bases it's genres on ANN. Sometimes things are unexpected unless you do research or actually watch it. Death Billiards was listed as comedy at some point.

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Irenesharda said:

Oh and the gratuitus fan-service? Just as unneeded this episode as it was in the last. It's kind of weird and uncomfortable watching 14,15, and 16 year old girls dance in a bar like that. (My parents would have made sure I never saw daylight if I ever did something like that. o_o )

Yeah that is pretty creepy now that I think about it. Most of those men looked over age 20 too.

Of course I am allowed to enjoy the eroticism because they are 2D but for those men in the bar getting aroused by teenage girls is kinda....yeah....

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VioLink said:

Irenesharda said:

Oh and the gratuitus fan-service? Just as unneeded this episode as it was in the last. It's kind of weird and uncomfortable watching 14,15, and 16 year old girls dance in a bar like that. (My parents would have made sure I never saw daylight if I ever did something like that. o_o )

Yeah that is pretty creepy now that I think about it. Most of those men looked over age 20 too.

Of course I am allowed to enjoy the eroticism because they are 2D but for those men in the bar getting aroused by teenage girls is kinda....yeah....

May 12, 2013 4:29 PM

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RyanSaotome said:

VioLink said:

Irenesharda said:

Oh and the gratuitus fan-service? Just as unneeded this episode as it was in the last. It's kind of weird and uncomfortable watching 14,15, and 16 year old girls dance in a bar like that. (My parents would have made sure I never saw daylight if I ever did something like that. o_o )

Yeah that is pretty creepy now that I think about it. Most of those men looked over age 20 too.

Of course I am allowed to enjoy the eroticism because they are 2D but for those men in the bar getting aroused by teenage girls is kinda....yeah....

And now we wait for the private lapdance doujins starring with the 3 girls and fat hairy faceless men.

Or this guy

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ReasonDesu said:

eminagnam said:

ReasonDesu said:

tl:dr The people angry/disappointed just got baited into thinking this was an action show and Gen wrote it all.

It's inevitable poeple think this is an action show cuz the genre says "Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi," not "Romance" nor "Slice of Life."

Yeah but that is just because MAL goes full derp sometimes and bases it's genres on ANN. Sometimes things are unexpected unless you do research or actually watch it. Death Billiards was listed as comedy at some point.

It sounds like people are too lazy to do a little bit of research. So whenever things feel out of place *cough* we get to see the same reaction over and over again.
It's not in the book, I mean the database. When MAL said it has comedy, or sci-fi/mecha or action, the show MUST have them, oh what? They just can't stand if it turns out to have some sort of unexpected genres.

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May 12, 2013 4:32 PM

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It should be mentioned though that in Japan, underage girls dancing provacatively for older men actually is a thing. Idols, sometimes as young as 13 years old, put on concerts and most of the audience at those concerts will be over 20 years old. So while it may seem weird by American standards, its not really as weird over in Japan.

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RyanSaotome said:

eminagnam said:
It's inevitable poeple think this is an action show cuz the genre says "Action, Mecha, Sci-Fi," not "Romance" nor "Slice of Life."

You realize whoever put those genres knew just as much about the shows content as you, right? Its an anime original, nobody but the people working on it themselves knew the genres and content.

That is true, however you really can't blame people for thinking that this show was going to be "action", "mecha", and "Sci-Fi" when the first two episodes were entirely "action", "mecha" and "Sci-fi". Even episode 3, while having a little "slice of life" was still mostly "action", "mecha" (pirate Mecha), and "Sci-fi".

Of course good is good, so people should be able to accept the transition as long as the writing is good, but still there is a reason why there is the concept of "taste" and why the "bait and switch" tactic is looked down upon.

May 12, 2013 4:35 PM

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RyanSaotome said:

VioLink said:

Irenesharda said:

Oh and the gratuitus fan-service? Just as unneeded this episode as it was in the last. It's kind of weird and uncomfortable watching 14,15, and 16 year old girls dance in a bar like that. (My parents would have made sure I never saw daylight if I ever did something like that. o_o )

Yeah that is pretty creepy now that I think about it. Most of those men looked over age 20 too.

Of course I am allowed to enjoy the eroticism because they are 2D but for those men in the bar getting aroused by teenage girls is kinda....yeah....

dat crotch thrust at the end of the gif LOL

May 12, 2013 4:38 PM

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RyanSaotome said:
It should be mentioned though that in Japan, underage girls dancing provacatively for older men actually is a thing. Idols, sometimes as young as 13 years old, put on concerts and most of the audience at those concerts will be over 20 years old. So while it may seem weird by American standards, its not really as weird over in Japan.

Looked more like teenage belly dancing to me, which also exists.

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RyanSaotome said:

VioLink said:

Irenesharda said:

Oh and the gratuitus fan-service? Just as unneeded this episode as it was in the last. It's kind of weird and uncomfortable watching 14,15, and 16 year old girls dance in a bar like that. (My parents would have made sure I never saw daylight if I ever did something like that. o_o )

Yeah that is pretty creepy now that I think about it. Most of those men looked over age 20 too.

Of course I am allowed to enjoy the eroticism because they are 2D but for those men in the bar getting aroused by teenage girls is kinda....yeah....

That's only from our r/l stance though. In much of our own history (and in fact, still in some countries today), it was rather deemed abnormal to not be engaged or married by the time you were 16. In a Darwinistic sense, this is completely understandable. In earlier times, peoples average lifespan was less than 30. Can you imagine you'd have to wait until 18 before making kids? More than half of your life would already be over! Waiting for so long would mean that people who didn't wait for so long, but started at it when females are capable of carying children (around 14), had more children, and thus gained the advantage in an evolutionary sense. Purely biologically speaking, thus, it makes perfect sense to be sexually active from that age (which is why puberty starts off at that age too, since it's a biological reaction).

Most of human history, it was nothing special but actually quite normal to engage in sexual activity much sooner than 18 years. It's actually only from the 19th century that this slowly started to change, and we're now at the point were we think this is 'normal'. It's only a cultural thing, though. Partially because our society can afford it. If our current society would crumble and medical advancement would revert and our lifespan would be shortened again, I very much doubt we would upheld an 18y limit.

Well anyone who studied Latin-Greek (or at least Roman history) already knows this, I suppose.

Point is, in different cultures, and different timeperiods, the age of consent or sexual activity happened much sooner than what we currently (at least in the West, in Japan on a Federal level it's 13, I believe?) consider appropriate or allowed (aka, in most Western countries 18, though some 16).

And well, Gargantia IS set in another time AND another culture, so there is actually nothing strange and creepy about it, viewed from their stance (in-story).

And I do not agree it was at the same level of being 'unneeded' as the last episode. It clearly served a need and purpose as to demonstrate the awakening of 'those' feelings with Ledo.

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May 12, 2013 4:44 PM

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HOWEVER, it does feel strange.. 99,7% alike? Why would squids on earth be SO much alike with the hideauze? I think there is some connection implied here. I'm wondering if they'll explore this more. Could it be...the hideauze IS originally/actually an earthly squid-form, genetically manipulated or something? an evolved form inhabiting space? Is there going to be a 'frankenstein'-theme, where Ledo's culture actually created something that is now a threat and they want to destroy?

I'm thinking this could possibly be similar to the difference between humans and chimpanzees, which also have a similar percentage of genetic compatibility. However, as someone mentioned earlier, if they are related in some way it's more probable that cephalopods underwent some sort of drastic mutation from nuclear fallout or deranged animal experiments. We have to remember though that the Hideauze are capable of staying in space and releasing destructive waves of energy. So more likely something on a much larger scale, perhaps an asteroid collision onto Earth? Because the Blossom Sail (that large Hideauze they fired the Dimenstrium at) was supposed to be around the size of Jupiter.

Really having a hard time guessing what the Hideauze sustain themselves with, though. Space debris? Where do they get their protein?

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ReasonDesu said:
Death Billiards was listed as comedy at some point.

Haha. That was a good one. I for one had not checked genres and synopses before watching anime lest I should feel prejudice. But then I saw some folks saying "Check the genre" and "Read the synopsis" when someone complained of or got disappointed at anime.

May 12, 2013 4:46 PM

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VioLink said:
Looked more like teenage belly dancing to me, which also exists.

Take a look at a real belly dancing video. Comparing it to that is kind of disrespectful to belly dancers.

May 12, 2013 4:46 PM

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Finally, something happens. Getting tired of all the feel-good shit in this anime.

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Another reason why the men on Gargantia may like teenage girls is because there apparently aren't any women over the age of 22 on the ship.

May 12, 2013 4:49 PM

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Dat dancing. Ledo x Amy moments XD. Ledo's character development in this episode was amazing!! He is showing more human emotions/expression. Whoa Hidezue at the end. Next time looks grim.

May 12, 2013 4:50 PM

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morrownight said:

symbv said:
HOWEVER, it does feel strange.. 99,7% alike? Why would squids on earth be SO much alike with the hideauze? I think there is some connection implied here. I'm wondering if they'll explore this more. Could it be...the hideauze IS originally/actually an earthly squid-form, genetically manipulated or something? an evolved form inhabiting space? Is there going to be a 'frankenstein'-theme, where Ledo's culture actually created something that is now a threat and they want to destroy?

I'm thinking this could possibly be similar to the difference between humans and chimpanzees, which also have a similar percentage of genetic compatibility. However, as someone mentioned earlier, if they are related in some way it's more probable that cephalopods underwent some sort of drastic mutation from nuclear fallout or deranged animal experiments. Or more likely something on a much larger scale, perhaps an asteroid collision onto Earth? Because the Blossom Sail (that large Hideauze they fired the Dimenstrium at) was supposed to be around the size of Jupiter.

Really having a hard time guessing what the Hideauze sustain themselves with, though. Space debris? Where do they get their protein?

We have to remember though that the Hideauze are capable of staying in space and releasing destructive waves of energy.

Yes, well...it was me who said that, not symbv. ;-)

But for the rest I think it's also possible.

May 12, 2013 4:50 PM

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I died inside ;_;

May 12, 2013 4:54 PM

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This show has gotten to be really hard for me to get excited about. I like the world and Ledo and Chamber are always entertaining to watch, but those things, Urobunchi being attached to the staff and Bellows and Saaya fanboyism don't change the fact that it's wasting a lot of potential and quickly turning into everything I hate in an anime. Unless something BIG comes from this hideauze attack. Maybe it bred and infested the sea and this will suddenly turn into a horror anime?

May 12, 2013 4:56 PM

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Called it,

Eps 1-6 were the relaxing episodes, 6-12 is when the butchering starts

May 12, 2013 4:58 PM

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AnimageNeby said:

RyanSaotome said:

VioLink said:

Irenesharda said:

Oh and the gratuitus fan-service? Just as unneeded this episode as it was in the last. It's kind of weird and uncomfortable watching 14,15, and 16 year old girls dance in a bar like that. (My parents would have made sure I never saw daylight if I ever did something like that. o_o )

Yeah that is pretty creepy now that I think about it. Most of those men looked over age 20 too.

Of course I am allowed to enjoy the eroticism because they are 2D but for those men in the bar getting aroused by teenage girls is kinda....yeah....

That's only from our r/l stance though. In much of our own history (and in fact, still in some countries today), it was rather deemed abnormal to not be engaged or married by the time you were 16. In a Darwinistic sense, this is completely understandable. In earlier times, peoples average lifespan was less than 30. Can you imagine you'd have to wait until 18 before making kids? More than half of your life would already be over! Waiting for so long would mean that people who didn't wait for so long, but started at it when females are capable of carying children (around 14), had more children, and thus gained the advantage in an evolutionary sense. Purely biologically speaking, thus, it makes perfect sense to be sexually active from that age (which is why puberty starts off at that age too, since it's a biological reaction).

Most of human history, it was nothing special but actually quite normal to engage in sexual activity much sooner than 18 years. It's actually only from the 19th century that this slowly started to change, and we're now at the point were we think this is 'normal'. It's only a cultural thing, though. Partially because our society can afford it. If our current society would crumble and medical advancement would revert and our lifespan would be shortened again, I very much doubt we would upheld an 18y limit.

Well anyone who studied Latin-Greek (or at least Roman history) already knows this, I suppose.

Point is, in different cultures, and different timeperiods, the age of consent or sexual activity happened much sooner than what we currently (at least in the West, in Japan on a Federal level it's 13, I believe?) consider appropriate or allowed (aka, in most Western countries 18, though some 16).

And well, Gargantia IS set in another time AND another culture, so there is actually nothing strange and creepy about it, viewed from their stance (in-story).

And I do not agree it was at the same level of being 'unneeded' as the last episode. It clearly served a need and purpose as to demonstrate the awakening of 'those' feelings with Ledo.

Okay I didn't mean for this to turn into some culture clash discussion, I understand perfectly that what is normal in one culture can be seen as weird in another and vice versa. I just said how I felt about it, I'm not gonna call the police on I.G. or anything so we can stop here.

And I didn't think it was unneeded either since my penis needed it.

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I died inside ;_;

I'm sorry my imagination runs wild sometimes.

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May 12, 2013 5:01 PM

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TupacTheRobot said:
Called it,

Eps 1-6 were the relaxing episodes, 6-12 is when the butchering starts

I think you're going to be disappointed if you keep your expectations on it being a normal Urobuchi story.

May 12, 2013 5:02 PM

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TupacTheRobot said:
Called it,

Eps 1-6 were the relaxing episodes, 6-12 is when the butchering starts

Episodes 1-3 were not relaxing episodes at all. So you're wrong.

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May 12, 2013 5:06 PM

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Seriously, people, drop this anime if you hate "feel-good shit", fanservice, pretty colors and pretty girls. Although it's quite entertaining to watch complainers rage in these forums thread as the anime continues to go into the "wrong" direction.

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May 12, 2013 5:26 PM

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linchpin said:
Seriously, people, drop this anime if you hate "feel-good shit", fanservice, pretty colors and pretty girls. Although it's quite entertaining to watch complainers rage in these forums thread as the anime continues to go into the "wrong" direction.

I don't see the point in dropping a 12 episode anime I'm already half through and that had a decent amount of promise in the first few episodes. I'm not saying it's terrible, because it definitely isn't(except for episode 5). I just think there's a lot more that could be done with it. The setting gives the story a lot of potential roads it could go down. Hate to see the whole thing become K-On! in a fantasy/scifi setting.

May 12, 2013 5:33 PM

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Man that last part with the Hideauze(?) got me jumping and hopefully something happens from that, as for the rest... meh.

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May 12, 2013 5:40 PM

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Ehh I liked seeing those two get close, but the Hideauze being on earth...where they always there or is it a scout heralding more doom? I mean still have the Federation to deal with as well..sucks but I think the Fleet is going to have to get used to killing.

May 12, 2013 5:40 PM

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Uhm regarding the Hideauze, I wonder how it got there. Maybe one went through when Ledo got sucked in by the Loop-hole or they were once originated from Earth. So many theories could come from this.

May 12, 2013 5:49 PM

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Tyrel said:
Uhm regarding the Hideauze, I wonder how it got there. Maybe one went through when Ledo got sucked in by the Loop-hole or they were once originated from Earth. So many theories could come from this.

It looked similar to the one that attached to Chamber during the space battle in the first episode(minus the snail shell), but I'm not sure. Didn't it end up getting destroyed by one of the federation pew pew lasers?

May 12, 2013 5:53 PM

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Man_Child said:

Tyrel said:
Uhm regarding the Hideauze, I wonder how it got there. Maybe one went through when Ledo got sucked in by the Loop-hole or they were once originated from Earth. So many theories could come from this.

It looked similar to the one that attached to Chamber during the space battle in the first episode(minus the snail shell), but I'm not sure. Didn't it end up getting destroyed by one of the federation pew pew lasers?

Yeah it did get destroyed, but I mean others could have went through the loop without showing us.

May 12, 2013 6:00 PM

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